Gen z males have extremely low standards when it comes to everything.

[DarthBurritoBastard]

A degree in business administration is useless, unless you network, which is the only way to move up in this world

 

[hunter x atomics]

The West will fall

billions

 

[liria]

meanwhile gen-z foids are getting paid for having a hole and have their own private jets

 

[Rapistcel]

We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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Just get a 40000 dollars debt for a shitty degree theory.

 

[Mohamedömar]

All thanks to dating sites and social media

And jews, feminism and the west

 

[Izayacel]

We have to try way harder than previous generations to get a worse life

 

[Grodd]

I think its more that the previous generations had it easier, rather than Gen z not trying or having aspirations.

This is the first generation that is slowly waking up to the fact, that unless you're good looking or a foid, the juice is not worth the squeeze, in this life.

 

[XDFLAMEBOY]

And jews, feminism and the west

OH yes the greedy Jews, Feminism, Westernization has gotten dating so ugly yes yes yes

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

jfl knowing that normies unironically say “unalive” irl now is even further proof that the internet IS real life.

Anyone who says "the internet isn't real life" in 2026 is extremely out of touch or knowingly lying to try and make a point. Or in the very least they don't spend much time around gen z. Every hot button issue on the internet I hear my zoomer coworkers talking about. My zoomer coworkers also use internet lingo in real life everyday.

Gen z was terminally online from a young age. Also look at how many hours gen z spends online everyday:

8 hours a day pretty much means you're spending almost every second not sleeping and not at school or at work online. And that's the average for young people. And the 25 to 34 year old demographic isn't that far behind averaging over 7 hours a day on the internet. Zoomers socialize more online than in real life, and for many the only friends they have are online. There's also the data that shows these days most couples meet online.

Yet some people still insist the internet is totally separate from real life like it's 2005. But I noticed they only make this point when it comes to some things. Like when it comes to online dating it's "not real life" despite that being how most couples meet these days...but when it comes to "blackpill/incel content" (which is already HEAVILY censored on every major platform) suddenly there's a moral panic and its harming women and corrupting the minds of young men.

 

[Frail Link]

We have to try way harder than previous generations to get a worse life

Truth.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

There are different degrees of just and fair and the whole legal system and economic system should at least attempt to approximate it. It is useless to shrug our shoulders and proclaim life is not fair and no one owes us anything, as that defeats the purpose of society. If no one owes us anything, then no ambulance should get you in an emergency. If you're home catches ablaze, no one should put it out. We should surrender all of our constitutional rights. No clearly we are owed certain things by society.

Great point. The way I look at it, is if I am "owed nothing" from society/the government then I should owe nothing to society/the government. Yet I am obligated by force. Not only am I subjected to laws that I must obey or go to prison, I also have to pay taxes...or go to prison. So if I am truly owed nothing...the fuck am I paying taxes for?

And obviously I understand in a philosophical or cosmic sense, life isn't fair and the universe technically doesn't owe anyone anything. But as you said, one of the main purposes of a society/government is to try and be as just and fair as possible.

Also notice "society owes you nothing" is something that only gets told to men, and you'll only ever see a man saying "society doesn't owe me anything". When men are struggling economically, they're told to shut the fuck up, work harder, and to pick themselves up from their bootstraps. Also a lot of guys on both the right and left love to say it. Right wing guys like to say this because it makes them appear more STOOOOOIC and masculine, and left wings guys say it to virtue signal how "not entitled" they are.

Going back to my coworker with a business degree. He said "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything" when I asked him about healthcare. And looking at his social media, he's really woke too. Pretty funny someone who's supposed to be on the left is saying he isn't entitled to healthcare. Then again he could be one of those "leftists" that only cares about SJW bullshit and dismisses any economic leftism as "ClAsS ReDuCtIoNiST". Either way, it goes to show how men have internalized this messaging about "being owed nothing" while still viewing themselves have having duties and responsibilities towards society. Men need more group level rational self-interest but ultimately most will just double down on suicidal altruism, largely because that's how we're biologically hardwired.

 

[INVERTER]

Great point. The way I look at it, is if I am "owed nothing" from society/the government then I should owe nothing to society/the government. Yet I am obligated by force. Not only am I subjected to laws that I must obey or go to prison, I also have to pay taxes...or go to prison. So if I am truly owed nothing...the fuck am I paying taxes for?

And obviously I understand in a philosophical or cosmic sense, life isn't fair and the universe technically doesn't owe anyone anything. But as you said, one of the main purposes of a society/government is to try and be as just and fair as possible.

Also notice "society owes you nothing" is something that only gets told to men, and you'll only ever see a man saying "society doesn't owe me anything". When men are struggling economically, they're told to shut the fuck up, work harder, and to pick themselves up from their bootstraps. Also a lot of guys on both the right and left love to say it. Right wing guys like to say this because it makes them appear more STOOOOOIC and masculine, and left wings guys say it to virtue signal how "not entitled" they are.

Going back to my coworker with a business degree. He said "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything" when I asked him about healthcare. And looking at his social media, he's really woke too. Pretty funny someone who's supposed to be on the left is saying he isn't entitled to healthcare. Then again he could be one of those "leftists" that only cares about SJW bullshit and dismisses any economic leftism as "ClAsS ReDuCtIoNiST". Either way, it goes to show how men have internalized this messaging about "being owed nothing" while still viewing themselves have having duties and responsibilities towards society. Men need more group level rational self-interest but ultimately most will just double down on suicidal altruism, largely because that's how we're biologically hardwired.

That guy sounds like the ultimate cuck. "Progressive" social views AND a right wing bootlicker at the same time? I tend to favor the exact opposite trajectory myself. The problem is western "communists" are all "progressive". China, Stalin's USSR and the GDR (besides Childcare and women in the workforce) were not "progressive" but they were socialist states. Early Bolsheviks had radical social views but most of these were reversed a few years later under Stalin, and the Stalin period was the most economically left period of Soviet History (even under Lenin NEP predominated). I guess what I am saying is that "progressive" left wing views as we know them don't coincide with true socialist states like China.

Any time I see a guy who is super performatively "progressive" I gotta roll my eyes

 

[Pikacel]

We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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Finally, an oldcel that isn’t going ‘muh gen Z are lazy back in my day son’. But this is ropefuel holy fuck

 

[Pikacel]

Great point. The way I look at it, is if I am "owed nothing" from society/the government then I should owe nothing to society/the government. Yet I am obligated by force. Not only am I subjected to laws that I must obey or go to prison, I also have to pay taxes...or go to prison. So if I am truly owed nothing...the fuck am I paying taxes for?

And obviously I understand in a philosophical or cosmic sense, life isn't fair and the universe technically doesn't owe anyone anything. But as you said, one of the main purposes of a society/government is to try and be as just and fair as possible.

Also notice "society owes you nothing" is something that only gets told to men, and you'll only ever see a man saying "society doesn't owe me anything". When men are struggling economically, they're told to shut the fuck up, work harder, and to pick themselves up from their bootstraps. Also a lot of guys on both the right and left love to say it. Right wing guys like to say this because it makes them appear more STOOOOOIC and masculine, and left wings guys say it to virtue signal how "not entitled" they are.

Going back to my coworker with a business degree. He said "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything" when I asked him about healthcare. And looking at his social media, he's really woke too. Pretty funny someone who's supposed to be on the left is saying he isn't entitled to healthcare. Then again he could be one of those "leftists" that only cares about SJW bullshit and dismisses any economic leftism as "ClAsS ReDuCtIoNiST". Either way, it goes to show how men have internalized this messaging about "being owed nothing" while still viewing themselves have having duties and responsibilities towards society. Men need more group level rational self-interest but ultimately most will just double down on suicidal altruism, largely because that's how we're biologically hardwired.

Men are just hardwired to be cucks and slaves

We’re built to see suffering and pure injustice as muh TOUGHEN UP AND SUCK IT UP LIKE A REAL MAN

 

[Pikacel]

Something that you didnt mention is how scared gen-z is of growing old me included, its a paralyzing fear cause most of us are well aware that youth is the only thing that we have wealth nope boomers fucked that up by ass raping the economy, experience nope most of us are terminally online and 50% of the male population hasnt even had a kiss, starting family(come on). gen-z is going to be a grim generation to look back on in a decade or so, i think its why a good chunk of us are running to religion, just like the silence generation when all else fails pray to GOD that he'll bail you out. but i have a feeling he wont. the boomers burnt all good will we have with him. it's going to be a brutal thing to observe. i fear for gen alpha even more cause i dont think it will get better infact i have a suspicion millenials and gen z are on the beggining its going to get worse and worsee

Youth is a massive cope as well

We want to feel as if it isn’t ‘too late’ to play catch up

 

[Pikacel]

I would argue the main driver of this dilemma is that the average man....is actually stuck in his comfort zone, completely enslaved by over-moralization and his lack of inertia and I don't really mean this derogatorily.

It started with the self-esteem cultivation that arisen from the social change of the 1960's-70's, parents were encouraged to focus more on the self-esteem and the comfort of their child (in this context sons), thus creating the permissive/gentle parenting style present in our society.

Instead of preparing these men for the real world, they instead coddled them and sought to protect them from the world, telling them that this is a "just and fair" world and that if you do the right thing, you will get good rewards.

This created a generation(s) of puer aeternus, effectively mentally children who remain dependent on the system due to their lack of inertia.

It like this; When parents first try to teach babies how to walk, they tend to hold their hand until it's time to let go. Three things can arise out of it.

If the parent is negligent, the baby would not know how to walk (or eventually will find out albeit with difficulties), if the parent teaches the baby how to walk and lets go once they are properly prepare, the baby will walk without help of their parents. Then you have the parents who fear their baby will get hurt if they let go, so they keep holding their hand until they have to (the equivalent of coming of age). Here, the baby - who doesn't know how to walk without help - stays put and waits for someone to hold their hand to walk.

The analogy above I think perfectly describes this predicament. The men today do not know how to navigate the complexities of life and thus has no idea what to do due to their sheltered upbringing. They basically resign themselves to becoming timid and a pushover, not knowing how to fight back.

There is a truth to this

I for example am insanely high inhib and ‘inert’, basically incapable of moving forwards in my own life

 

[FastBlast]

same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!)

 

[xoxo_404]

A lot of simps are born now

 

[Jordon Peterson9900]

We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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While gen z women have extremely unrealistic delusional high standards

 

[DepravedAndDeprived]

Brutal read