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Gen z males have extremely low standards when it comes to everything.

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We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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For this reasons is why I think socialism sounds good on paper, capitalism is ultimately exploitative for people (granted as much as socialism) the only actual system of politics that saw good returns for its people was fascism, so I say we try that one out.
 
It truly is sad, a generation of men beaten into submission.
 
We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because the writers couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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Before I read
I fucking have extremely low standards
but sadly foids have a fucking high standards
 
But who caused all of this in the first place?
 
I think its more that the previous generations had it easier, rather than Gen z not trying or having aspirations.

This is the first generation that is slowly waking up to the fact, that unless you're good looking or a foid, the juice is not worth the squeeze, in this life.
 
Before I read
I fucking have extremely low standards
but sadly foids have a fucking high standards
Yeah when it comes to women I always had extremely low standards. But it's understandable in my case as I'm a subhuman, sub4, high T, low IQ ogre.

Back in the 2000s I got rejected by women so obese they could barely walk. I seriously wish you guys could see some of the women who rejected me. Like I said before, if everyone on this forum could see every woman who ever rejected me you'd either be completely disgusted by me, or grant me incel sainthood status.
 
I think its more that the previous generations had it easier, rather than Gen z not trying or having aspirations.

This is the first generation that is slowly waking up to the fact, that unless you're good looking or a foid, the juice is not worth the squeeze, in this life.
 
We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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math on the economy post is wrong since it doesn't account for possible intersection of disabled people and retired people (getting retired and then disabled) so there may have been a double count, so the unemployment rate is greater than or equal to 17.8%

So yeah, it actually may be worse than that.

Thank you for the quality posts though. As a Gen Z idiot, I can only say I see this shit in peers every day. Well, not really every day cuz I am a shut in, studying at home all day. But whenever I see a peer, I remember why I decided to shut myself in.
 
In short:

We just gave up. As a zoomer who's kinda like the guy you mentioned, I can understand very much how all this shit happens. I don't think I'll be able to secure a job after I graduate. Or, if I do, it won't get a lot.

My current plan is to probably become a tutor or something like that. Unfortunately society will fuck me over.

That /pol/ post is also insanely brutal. Society's collapse is a slow death.
 
tbf a businesses administration degree is kinda useless and is considered a meme in my country. I worked retail and honest to god the most common degree among the employees was business administration. The other employees also had meme degrees. But at least the education is free in my country, i don’t understand the americans who spend tens of thousands on meme degrees :feelskek: He could had learned a trade or started working fast food early on and saved up. But i personally dont see anything wrong with working fast food or why people look down upon it, the problem with these jobs is the pay.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it.
i mean… what can you realistically do about it? All over the world the prices are sky high and every piece of shit boss is trying to pay you as little as legally possible.
They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree.
they’re meme degrees tbf, you won’t see anyone with a lawyers degree delivering pizzas
They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online.
i have personally come to terms with it, most people are literal snakes. Out of the 100 people i meet maybe 1 will be genuine. Most people nowadays look at relationships as transactional, they’re only interested in what you can do for them. I feel that as time goes on people keep becoming more and more apathetic and selfish. And the people who aren’t like that end up becoming like that as a way to adapt to their environment, because realistically if you ain’t also like that you will get fucked over.
They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because the writers couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy".
that shit bothers me so much as i really like movies and anime but then these retards are like “let people watch what they want to watch!!” :feels: How can you genuinely be happy watching the same slop over and over again? I have lost interest as it’s the same shit over and over again. When i see a show or movie with an original idea i end up enjoying it even if it was executed badly just due to the excitement of watching something new.
They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted.
boomers do the same, you just see less of it. i have observed my mother spend time on facebook and its like watching a grown child. Social media has fried the brains of everyone.
You could argue that it’s pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue it’s simply a rational adaptation.
they have accepted it because they’re still living comfortably. I give it 30-40 years before things get bad enough to the point where living is completely unsustainable and people start taking action.
 
For this reasons is why I think socialism sounds good on paper, capitalism is ultimately exploitative for people (granted as much as socialism) the only actual system of politics that saw good returns for its people was fascism, so I say we try that one out.
 
We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.

The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.

But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.

In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.

You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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Something that you didnt mention is how scared gen-z is of growing old me included, its a paralyzing fear cause most of us are well aware that youth is the only thing that we have wealth nope boomers fucked that up by ass raping the economy, experience nope most of us are terminally online and 50% of the male population hasnt even had a kiss, starting family(come on). gen-z is going to be a grim generation to look back on in a decade or so, i think its why a good chunk of us are running to religion, just like the silence generation when all else fails pray to GOD that he'll bail you out. but i have a feeling he wont. the boomers burnt all good will we have with him. it's going to be a brutal thing to observe. i fear for gen alpha even more cause i dont think it will get better infact i have a suspicion millenials and gen z are on the beggining its going to get worse and worsee:feelsrope:
 
meanwhile gen-z foids are getting paid for having a hole and have their own private jets
 
I would argue the main driver of this dilemma is that the average man....is actually stuck in his comfort zone, completely enslaved by over-moralization and his lack of inertia and I don't really mean this derogatorily.

It started with the self-esteem cultivation that arisen from the social change of the 1960's-70's, parents were encouraged to focus more on the self-esteem and the comfort of their child (in this context sons), thus creating the permissive/gentle parenting style present in our society.

Instead of preparing these men for the real world, they instead coddled them and sought to protect them from the world, telling them that this is a "just and fair" world and that if you do the right thing, you will get good rewards.

This created a generation(s) of puer aeternus, effectively mentally children who remain dependent on the system due to their lack of inertia.

It like this; When parents first try to teach babies how to walk, they tend to hold their hand until it's time to let go. Three things can arise out of it.

If the parent is negligent, the baby would not know how to walk (or eventually will find out albeit with difficulties), if the parent teaches the baby how to walk and lets go once they are properly prepare, the baby will walk without help of their parents. Then you have the parents who fear their baby will get hurt if they let go, so they keep holding their hand until they have to (the equivalent of coming of age). Here, the baby - who doesn't know how to walk without help - stays put and waits for someone to hold their hand to walk.

The analogy above I think perfectly describes this predicament. The men today do not know how to navigate the complexities of life and thus has no idea what to do due to their sheltered upbringing. They basically resign themselves to becoming timid and a pushover, not knowing how to fight back.
 
I think it’s more that the previous generations had it easier, rather than Gen z not trying or having aspirations.
i believe it’s both. Wages have more or less stayed the same despite the price of everything going up by 1000%, it’s harder to own a house, it’s harder to get a loan than it was 20 years ago, it’s more competitive since everyone and their mother is getting a degree, dating is harder and more competitive, and corporate culture has been the worst that it’s ever been. But at the same time, my generation is watching all this unfold and have just accepted it. They aren’t trying to improve their living conditions which certainly suck. Gen z has surrendered to their circumstances.
 
The West will fall so slowly that its natives will just watch from their ergonomic Titan Evo chair.
 
People can only rise so much on an individual level... 90% of life is the conditions around you. Like others have pointed out, housing is simply unaffordable for single people and dating is a shitshow for men today as we all know. As far as the job market, good blue collar jobs in manufacturing left the west due to outsourcing. Previous generations had "easier" lives in the sense they were more predictable although maybe less comfortable.

I would argue the main driver of this dilemma is that the average man....is actually stuck in his comfort zone, completely enslaved by over-moralization and his lack of inertia and I don't really mean this derogatorily.

It started with the self-esteem cultivation that arisen from the social change of the 1960's-70's, parents were encouraged to focus more on the self-esteem and the comfort of their child (in this context sons), thus creating the permissive/gentle parenting style present in our society.

Instead of preparing these men for the real world, they instead coddled them and sought to protect them from the world, telling them that this is a "just and fair" world and that if you do the right thing, you will get good rewards.

This created a generation(s) of puer aeternus, effectively mentally children who remain dependent on the system due to their lack of inertia.

It like this; When parents first try to teach babies how to walk, they tend to hold their hand until it's time to let go. Three things can arise out of it.

If the parent is negligent, the baby would not know how to walk (or eventually will find out albeit with difficulties), if the parent teaches the baby how to walk and lets go once they are properly prepare, the baby will walk without help of their parents. Then you have the parents who fear their baby will get hurt if they let go, so they keep holding their hand until they have to (the equivalent of coming of age). Here, the baby - who doesn't know how to walk without help - stays put and waits for someone to hold their hand to walk.

The analogy above I think perfectly describes this predicament. The men today do not know how to navigate the complexities of life and thus has no idea what to do due to their sheltered upbringing. They basically resign themselves to becoming timid and a pushover, not knowing how to fight back.

There are different degrees of just and fair and the whole legal system and economic system should at least attempt to approximate it. It is useless to shrug our shoulders and proclaim life is not fair and no one owes us anything, as that defeats the purpose of society. If no one owes us anything, then no ambulance should get you in an emergency. If you're home catches ablaze, no one should put it out. We should surrender all of our constitutional rights. No clearly we are owed certain things by society.

It's just that society has decided men are no longer owed a spot in the "patriarchy" which means they have no mechanism of obtaining a partner. They are no longer owed a decent job in manufacturing because corporate thinks it's cheaper to produce in China or elsewhere. They now have to compete with women for soy office jobs. Housing is expensive because the demand has effectively doubled. So they are no longer owed housing, a decent income, and a partner that boomers all got handed to them on a silver platter. All while they are told they are lazy by those same out of touch boomers

You're not wrong about over socialization perhaps but I don't think that is the main problem rather than the economic/sociological angle.
 
We got a new employee last monday and I'm the one that did most of his training. He's 28 years old and has a degree in business administration. For those of you who don't know, I work in fast food. Also he's not just a regular employee, he's only part time. He has another part time job at a pizza place. He got his degree 6 years ago and never got to use it. The closest he came was a basic office job which he lost after 6 months due to downsizing. I have his number and we text each other. He basically gave me a rundown of his whole educational and working career. He has 40k in student loan debt. Still lives with his parents. I asked him what he's going to do for healthcare and he said his goal is to get full time at one of his jobs so he can get it. He then also added "I just gotta keep working hard, the world doesn't owe me anything". I asked him if he was actively looking for a job that would actually utilize his degree. He said he gave up on that after years of looking, and said he hoped maybe one day he could get a management position at one of his jobs. ....28 years old, a business degree, 40k in student loan debt, with a goal to "work hard" so he can get full time hours...and a dream of MAYBE one day becoming an assistant manager at a fast food joint.
He must have fallen for the "work hard, and you'll achieve your goals someday :soy:" propaganda from his parents. From my standpoint, working hard = more labor with no pay increase. This is how people get burned out more quickly because of the constant pile of work they have to do just by "working hard."
The guy isn't even a fuck up in any way that I can tell. At least average intelligence, pretty normal socially, especially for a zoomer, learns fast, works hard, etc. He's also 6'0 MTN if it matters. At least with a guy like me its understandable that I'm working in fast food. I'm an ugly sub4 ogre with a low IQ. But seeing a guy like him in this situation (technically worse since he's only part time, no benefits, and still lives with parents) is just sad. And the fact that he just accepts it and seems fine with it is even sadder.
moga me.
But I look at him as kind of a sign of the times and a sign of how gen z, particularly gen z males, are doing and what their general outlook/attitude on life is. I don't even think he's an extreme outlier either. As I noted in my nuclear economypill thread, half of all uber drivers have a degree.
It's because of the shitty job market that people can't find jobs in their fields. Approximately half of college graduates in the U.S work in jobs (source: https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/college-degree-jobs-unused-440b2abd) that don't require a college degree. In this case, the guy you're talking about has a business degree, so to speak, and he was probably looking for jobs like this

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(Note that being an SDR or BDR doesn't require a degree, but it helps to get one if you want to find more lucrative positions. Of course, you have to deal with prospecting (which can take months on end and require compartmentalizing multiple platforms to even reach them)


In general, one pattern I have noticed with gen z males is that they have extremely low standards when it comes to literally everything. They're fine with living with their parents past the age of 25. They know they'll never own a home, and they've fully accepted it. They're fine with working shitty low paying jobs, even if they have a degree. They're fine with having no close real life friends and living their social life entirely online. They're fine with dating way down in looks and when their gf demands an open relationship, they're fine with it. And that's actually aspirational for a lot of gen z males since so many are incel. For those, they're fine with having parasocial relationships with women on onlyfans. I'm sure they know they're talking to a man from kolkata when they pay for the highest tier subscription that involves talking with them online, but they'll suspend their disbelief. They're fine with hollywood, netflix, and anime slop that just recycle the same character archetypes, storylines and tropes that have been run into the ground for decades while doing the faggy post-ironic 4th wall breaking nod to the audience where the writers acknowledge they wrote something cliche because they couldn't come up with anything original, so they act like they're proud that the story "dOeDn'T tAkE iTsElF sEriOusLy". They're fine spending hours scrolling through tiktok, watching the same skits, same talking points, same brainrot sound effects played over and over ("FAAAAAHH FAAAAAH FAAAAAAH! BRUH FAAAAH! FAAAAAAH *vine boom* FAAAAAAH!) with the comments section having the same jokes, copied and pasted. They're fine with having no privacy on the internet. They're fine with increasing censorship. They just change their entire language to avoid using words you can't say on social media, like saying "unalived" which zoomers are now saying in real life...unironically.
There's no future for Gen-Z males. They have to deal with feminism, horrible dating standards, a horrible economy, etc. They were basically doomed from the very start.
You could argue that its pragmatic to simply accept things for what they are, and you would probably be right. But personally, there's something unsettling about an entire generation of men being hypercompetitive for diminishing rewards and stoically accepting increasingly dystopian circumstances, even if you want to argue its simply a rational adaptation.

It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:

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High IQ thread though.
 
There are different degrees of just and fair and the whole legal system and economic system should at least attempt to approximate it. It is useless to shrug our shoulders and proclaim life is not fair and no one owes us anything, as that defeats the purpose of society. If no one owes us anything, then no ambulance should get you in an emergency. If you're home catches ablaze, no one should put it out. We should surrender all of our constitutional rights. No clearly we are owed certain things by society.
I wasn't trying to say they aren't owed things. What I was trying to explain is that men have resigned themselves to becoming a pushover because they do not know how to get what they want nor know how to push back.
It's just that society has decided men are no longer owed a spot in the "patriarchy" which means they have no mechanism of obtaining a partner. They are no longer owed a decent job in manufacturing because corporate thinks it's cheaper to produce in China or elsewhere. They now have to compete with women for soy office jobs. Housing is expensive because the demand has effectively doubled. So they are no longer owed housing, a decent income, and a partner that boomers all got handed to them on a silver platter. All while they are told they are lazy by those same out of touch boomers
Agreed. Society (and enforced by women) has created high standards for men that they realistically cannot achieve, especially the men of today.
You're not wrong about over socialization perhaps but I don't think that is the main problem rather than the economic/sociological angle.
The economical and sociological phenomenon goes hand and hand; Parents "coddled" their sons, resulting in effectively sons with no pushback and the economy of today primarily requires men with no pushback, thus creating this situation.

However, for the most part of your post, I agree with you.
 
think i've kinda noticed this too
 
I wasn't trying to say they aren't owed things. What I was trying to explain is that men have resigned themselves to becoming a pushover because they do not know how to get what they want nor know how to push back.

Agreed. Society (and enforced by women) has created high standards for men that they realistically cannot achieve, especially the men of today.

The economical and sociological phenomenon goes hand and hand; Parents "coddled" their sons, resulting in effectively sons with no pushback and the economy of today primarily requires men with no pushback, thus creating this situation.

However, for the most part of your post, I agree with you.
Agree. Parents raised their kids to be agreeable but it's mainly probably an adaptation to conditions anyway. The corporate world is a lot softer and more feminine today anyway so being overly disagreeable leads to punishment in some form (probably covert). I would place more emphasis on the conditions that led to the parenting but you kind of say that in your third section there anyway
 
jfl knowing that normies unironically say “unalive” irl now is even further proof that the internet IS real life.
 
The economy really is getting fucked up. I hope I will land a job when I finish my degree and not end up jobless really.

I think gen Z is very cynical in general. Most people dont believe in any coherent political ideology anymore. People are becoming cynical of everything. The only way I see out is people getting out of their comfort zone and making a gen z revolution like in shithole countries such as Nepal or Bangladesh. But people are too divided and tired to do that I think in the West. And the one in Nepal didnt fix that much anyway so idk. Society just decays more and more while the rich get richer and fuck lolis in Epstein Island, all while we wageslave and rot on .is. Brutal
 
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Yeah when it comes to women I always had extremely low standards. But it's understandable in my case as I'm a subhuman, sub4, high T, low IQ ogre.

Back in the 2000s I got rejected by women so obese they could barely walk. I seriously wish you guys could see some of the women who rejected me. Like I said before, if everyone on this forum could see every woman who ever rejected me you'd either be completely disgusted by me, or grant me incel sainthood status.
How old are you?
Imagine I want a woman that is loyal to me even she is flat and ugly!!! just loyal!!!
but sadly nowhere to be found
 
Something that you didnt mention is how scared gen-z is of growing old me included, its a paralyzing fear cause most of us are well aware that youth is the only thing that we have wealth nope boomers fucked that up by ass raping the economy, experience nope most of us are terminally online and 50% of the male population hasnt even had a kiss, starting family(come on). gen-z is going to be a grim generation to look back on in a decade or so, i think its why a good chunk of us are running to religion, just like the silence generation when all else fails pray to GOD that he'll bail you out. but i have a feeling he wont. the boomers burnt all good will we have with him. it's going to be a brutal thing to observe. i fear for gen alpha even more cause i dont think it will get better infact i have a suspicion millenials and gen z are on the beggining its going to get worse and worsee:feelsrope:
I might have to do the rap£, murder, suicide before I go senile one day.
 
It reminds me of this high IQ post on /pol/ from 13 years ago:
Yep. If one wants to know the future of how life will look like in the west in the future, all they have to do is look at chink countries and their anthill hivemind life style. Then add a good splash of slumification in there and that's it. Dystopian indeed, like straight out of bladerunner minus the cool images.
 
Before I read
I fucking have extremely low standards
but sadly foids have a fucking high standards
why do you need a foid? are you a slave to ur biological functions?
 
The economy really is getting fucked up. I hope I will land a job when I finish my degree and not end up jobless really.

I think gen Z is very cynical in general. Most people dont believe in any coherent political ideology anymore. People are becoming cynical of everything. The only way I see out is people getting out of their comfort zone and making a gen z revolution like in shithole countries such as Nepal or Bangladesh. But people are too divided and tired to do that I think in the West. And the one in Nepal didnt fix that much anyway so idk. Society just decays more and more while the rich get richer and fuck lolis in Epstein Island, all while we wageslave and rot on .is. Brutal
I hope this, I hope that

How about you put matters into your own hands and make it happen your so low T

THATS the problem with zoomers were all low T and porn addicted, just become a Chaste christ follower and you will ascend past your genetic potential
 
Gen z needs to start a revolution to fight for a good future for themselves
 
To make a family? to have sex? to have a romantic relationship?

Are you a slave to biological functions when you eat or drink or piss?
I understand 99.9% of Men have to fulfil that function but I am of the minority who do not I just want to help other Men save themselves and not think that everything is over.

I want them to stand up and fight for something instead of just sitting down all day and doing nothing about it

I personally dont have a need for a wife because im chaste and I belive in my case it will help me be stronger and fulfil my goal in a more efficient manner, infact I dont think I can achive this goal without doing it
 
I understand 99.9% of Men have to fulfil that function but I am of the minority who do not I just want to help other Men save themselves and not think that everything is over.

I want them to stand up and fight for something instead of just sitting down all day and doing nothing about it

I personally dont have a need for a wife because im chaste and I belive in my case it will help me be stronger and fulfil my goal in a more efficient manner, infact I dont think I can achive this goal without doing it
You got banned
brutal
 
Another bullseye, must read.
 
the slave caste are having their priveleges rolled back now that the freeman and other middles castes have been successfully genocided. all the gains peasants and slaves made from the middles ages on were only ever to last as long as this would take
 
Jesus Christ this site is absolutely suifiel, even if it’s true I wish I could live in blue pill lala land. But yeah the 4chan post is spot on as they often are.

A blind man has never seen the light has he?

I think there was something like this concept in the handmaids tail.

While yes it is feminist slop, it talks about how the first generation of handmaids have it the hardest, but there daughters will grow up in the crazy society and see it as normal.

I don’t know, but I think that might be happening to the Gen Z. Although they still complain for the most part so at least that’s something
 
I am glad that whiny liberals are fighting for our quality of life
 
Before I read
I fucking have extremely low standards
but sadly foids have a fucking high standards
All thanks to dating sites and social media
 
In short:

We just gave up. As a zoomer who's kinda like the guy you mentioned, I can understand very much how all this shit happens. I don't think I'll be able to secure a job after I graduate. Or, if I do, it won't get a lot.

My current plan is to probably become a tutor or something like that. Unfortunately society will fuck me over.

That /pol/ post is also insanely brutal. Society's collapse is a slow death.
I mean collage is a legal government scam, unless there's a job that you really want to do do where a collage degree is mandatory
 
more apathetic and selfish. And the people who aren’t like that end up becoming like that as a way to adapt to their environment, because realistically if you ain’t also like that you will get fucked over.
I loathe those kind of people so much what a sick society
 
Something that you didnt mention is how scared gen-z is of growing old me included, its a paralyzing fear cause most of us are well aware that youth is the only thing that we have wealth nope boomers fucked that up by ass raping the economy, experience nope most of us are terminally online and 50% of the male population hasnt even had a kiss, starting family(come on). gen-z is going to be a grim generation to look back on in a decade or so, i think its why a good chunk of us are running to religion, just like the silence generation when all else fails pray to GOD that he'll bail you out. but i have a feeling he wont. the boomers burnt all good will we have with him. it's going to be a brutal thing to observe. i fear for gen alpha even more cause i dont think it will get better infact i have a suspicion millenials and gen z are on the beggining its going to get worse and worsee:feelsrope:
I think humanity is going to decline in population globally, foids standards for Hoeflation might go up so high that pretty much only top tier Chad's would have the right to own a family when even normie men won't have a family or if they want kids, they would either need to produce a human artificial womb from a lab to produce their own biological child or adopt a kid that maybe the only way how humanity may survive
 
We have to try way harder than previous generations to get a worse life
 

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