Frame>Height

[Vilsonicvs]

People really overestimate the importance of height in dating, I know this sounds kinda stupid, but height is not as important as you'd think, frame is what truly matters. An interesting personal anecdote, I am 185cm(6'1) which is pretty tall where I live, however, literally noone believes me when I tell them that, I almost got in an argument with my friend over this, he was 100% sure that he was taller than me, he is 175cm(5'9) and always thought I was like 170cm(5'7), I told him I was 185 and he literally didn't believe me, I had to stand next to him to prove to him that I'm significantly taller. Nobody ever believes me when I tell them my height, I've had 170cm dudes tell me I'm the same height as them. This is because I have narrow clavicles, narrow hips and small wrists, my arm is skinnier than most women. Women don't care that much about height, they care about frame, sure women don't like short guys, but my point is that height should be included in frame, your height is part of your frame, being short means having a bad frame. We should stop considering height and frame different, height is a part of your frame. We should also stop saying "women like tall guys", they don't, they like guys with a big frame (which usually means they're also tall, but not necessarily).

 

[Onyx]

 

[xxdarkpixelsxx]

No

 

[Vilsonicvs]

sexhaver normie GIF.

 

[Onyx]

People really overestimate the importance of height in dating

no

I know this sounds kinda stupid, but height is not as important as you'd think,

that is a stupid statement

frame is what truly matters.

to an extent with proportions and looking taller like you are saying here

I am 185cm(6'1) which is pretty tall where I live

why brag?

he is 175cm(5'9) and always thought I was like 170cm(5'7), I told him I was 185 and he literally didn't believe me, I had to stand next to him to prove to him that I'm significantly taller.

what relevance does this even have tbh

I mean it's a stupid argument

You are using you and one other person to state this

Women don't care that much about height

....

then you go onto height and frame which is true..... you are 185cm.... you take up more volume than shorter people....

 

[Onyx]

sexhaver normie GIF.

jfl

 

[Biggie cheesel]

 

[nihilist chud]

dnr

 

[FromOuterVenus]

What's this "Area" you live in?

 

[Animecel2D]

I have neither

 

[Ubermenschvirtues]

good cope

 

[Vilsonicvs]

why brag?

Not bragging, I am barely that height and literally nobody can tell, I have the shittest body structure imaginable. 185 is also not that tall in the west in 2026.

You are using you and one other person to state this

actually studies show that women overwhelimingly prefer men with wider shoulders, want to see them?

then you go onto height and frame which is true..... you are 185cm.... you take up more volume than shorter people....

Height IS frame, and a certainly important part of it, but a tall guy with narrow shoulders is less attractive than an average guy with wide shoulders.

Also I'd like to add that I am not saying height doesn't matter, that's obviously statistically not true, height matters a lot. What I'm saying is that frame plays a much bigger role than what most people on here would think.

 

[Vilsonicvs]

What's this "Area" you live in?

western europe

 

[Vilsonicvs]

good cope

how is this cope? I swear these newcels learn all their lingo from tiktok. "cope" means someone is lying to themselves to make themselves feel better, I am doing the exact opposite of that retard.

 

[Ubermenschvirtues]

how is this cope? I swear these newcels learn all their lingo from tiktok. "cope" means someone is lying to themselves to make themselves feel better, I am doing the exact opposite of that retard.

so do you prefer to be your friend's height with the wider frame ?

 

[Onyx]

What I'm saying is that frame plays a much bigger role than what most people on here would think.

title of thread "frame>height"

Not bragging, I am barely that height and literally nobody can tell, I have the shittest body structure imaginable. 185 is also not that tall in the west in 2026.

that is humble bragging, I can't be bothered elaborating on that

actually studies show that women overwhelimingly prefer men with wider shoulders, want to see them?

okay, show them

you do know that the men with wider shoulders are going to be TALLER MEN LIKE 185CM PLUS

 

[Ubermenschvirtues]

We should stop considering height and frame different, height is a part of your frame.

kinda agree

 

[Vinícius truecel]

I'm 1.55m tall, you're 1.85m tall, go fuck yourself, black guy.

 

[Vilsonicvs]

so do you prefer to be your friend's height with the wider frame ?

I would actually, he looks jacked despite not working out, that's because of his frame. His arm is significantly bigger than mine even tho I'm the one that has been going to the gym for years.

 

[Com]

This is just you complaining that people think you're short.

 

[BasedGoyslopReviews]

An interesting personal anecdote, I am 185cm(6'1)

stopped reading
go hang urself

 

[Vilsonicvs]

title of thread "frame>height"

by that I meant that height should be included in frame, I understand the confusion now.

that is humble bragging, I can't be bothered elaborating on that

I didn't mean it that way, I recognize that being 185 is obviously a priviledge, I'm just saying that a lot of yall have it better than me because of wider shoulders or thicker wrists. I literally can't curl over 7kg, do you know how humiliating gymclass was back in highschool? when you're weaker than most girls? do you realize how fucking humiliating that is?

okay, show them

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37170034/ - women prefer men with wider torsos
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Body - many studies here indicate that women prefer physically stronger men, physical strength is mostly determined by frame. Ergo, bigger frame --> more attractive.

you do know that the men with wider shoulders are going to be TALLER MEN LIKE 185CM PLUS

yes I know, I am not denying the importance of height, I'm just saying it's not as important as many people think.

 

[BricABrac]

Frame matters, sure. Being a small man is what really sucks, and height is part (the largest part) of that. Being built like a beanpole isn't a good thing in any interpretation.

But fucking c'mon. Just go somewhere men are short on average, mog everyone, and get laid. Leave this forum.

 

[Vilsonicvs]

This is just you complaining that people think you're short.

complaining about the fact that I get brutally framemogged by everyone to the point I have no strength, muscle and somehow look short.

 

[Vilsonicvs]

Frame matters, sure. Being a small man is what really sucks, and height is part (the largest part) of that. Being built like a beanpole isn't a good thing in any interpretation.

true true

But fucking c'mon. Just go somewhere men are short on average, mog everyone, and get laid. Leave this forum.

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Water

 

[Onyx]

by that I meant that height should be included in frame, I understand the confusion now.

okay

I recognize that being 185 is obviously a priviledge

insane privilege even if you are an incel

I'm just saying that a lot of yall have it better than me because of wider shoulders or thicker wrists. I literally can't curl over 7kg, do you know how humiliating gymclass was back in highschool? when you're weaker than most girls? do you realize how fucking humiliating that is?

yes, it's humiliating.... I am 160cm and borderline underweight..... how humiliating to do think that is

anyway this isn't a game of who is most incel. you already stated the confusion. height and frame are kind of tied in a way, yes.

but being a height like 180cm+ is just standard now, so height is very important

frame only starts to matter once you have the height etc

yes I know, I am not denying the importance of height, I'm just saying it's not as important as many people think.

hmmmm... height is pretty important man

height + face are the main 2 things

 

[Onyx]

hmmmm... height is pretty important man

height + face are the main 2 things

but if this thread is really about frame being underrated then fair ig.

it does matter but height and face come first

 

[Vilsonicvs]

height + face are the main 2 things

yeah sure a tall-ish man with an average face and a shitty frame can possibly pull in a third world country, but he'll never be respected by other men. I've never had a long term non-incel male friendship, men just don't respect me, they don't even believe me when I tell them I work out.

 

[Vilsonicvs]

but if this thread is really about frame being underrated then fair ig.

it does matter but height and face come first

I'd say it goes like this
1)NT
2)Face
3)Frame (height is included here)
4)Race

 

[Onyx]

yeah sure a tall-ish man with an average face and a shitty frame can possibly pull in a third world country, but he'll never be respected by other men. I've never had a long term non-incel male friendship, men just don't respect me, they don't even believe me when I tell them I work out.

yeah, when we are talking about respect then height and frame both matter

I'd say it goes like this
1)NT
2)Face
3)Frame (height is included here)
4)Race

hard to rank them perfectly tbh

but that's a decent list

NT matters a lot in the long run, most NT will be able to ascend at some point in their lives especially if they are very social and have a large friend group

then face and frame next because if you lack them then being NT could be almost irrelevant in your situation

 

[ndltn]

Nigger frame is of 5% importance compared to height. Chico and Sean O'pry have shit skinny frames, yet it never inhibited them due to their top tier looks and height.

 

[Vilsonicvs]

Nigger frame is of 5% importance compared to height. Chico and Sean O'pry have shit skinny frames, yet it never inhibited them due to their top tier looks and height.

what the fuck are you talking about. This isn't chadworship, they obviously have good frames.

 

[pleksus]

Tall people have wide frames usually.

 

[Renegade#1]

Face is everything

 

[Purg]

i agree with you here, incels dont talk about the importance of frame and voice enough

 

[Paperman]

Interesting points. Foids like men who have more power than others; she will like OP if the other guy is 5'4" but prefer a muscular man the same height as OP.

 

[Wolnir]

I get the opposite, my shitty skinny frame makes people think that I'm taller. I've got the slender man build

 

[Usopp-sama]

 

[Onepunchat]

Face is everything

True. Height is just a multiplier. A ugly 5'9 guy would still be ugly at 6'4

 

[cymbeline]

 

[ndltn]

what the fuck are you talking about. This isn't chadworship, they obviously have good frames.

Nigger they have subpar frames. It doesn't matter tho due to their Chad looks + height halo.

 

[Currydealer]

Face matters more than frame. Having narrow frame while having good face + tall height is still okay for foids.

However most of the foids would choose wide frame chad over narrow framed chad.

 

[Cryo]

You dumb dumb

 

[hirohitomaxxing]

People really overestimate the importance of height in dating, I know this sounds kinda stupid, but height is not as important as you'd think, frame is what truly matters. An interesting personal anecdote, I am 185cm(6'1) which is pretty tall where I live, however, literally noone believes me when I tell them that, I almost got in an argument with my friend over this, he was 100% sure that he was taller than me, he is 175cm(5'9) and always thought I was like 170cm(5'7), I told him I was 185 and he literally didn't believe me, I had to stand next to him to prove to him that I'm significantly taller. Nobody ever believes me when I tell them my height, I've had 170cm dudes tell me I'm the same height as them. This is because I have narrow clavicles, narrow hips and small wrists, my arm is skinnier than most women. Women don't care that much about height, they care about frame, sure women don't like short guys, but my point is that height should be included in frame, your height is part of your frame, being short means having a bad frame. We should stop considering height and frame different, height is a part of your frame. We should also stop saying "women like tall guys", they don't, they like guys with a big frame (which usually means they're also tall, but not necessarily).

bro i have a good frame and an ok height yet I still get rrejected bro it s about the face and the height both are as equal frame is secondary you can hide it

 

[Wolnir]

I'm 188cm with an average frame and it hasn't helped me with foids. It still beats being short, being short must be brutal, especially in 2026.

 

[Renegade#1]

True. Height is just a multiplier.

Indeed, I've seen plenty of manlets irl with toilet gfs taller than them

 

[ImperialArk]

I mean its diminishing returns, i bet being 7 feet tall is abit too much for some foids but you are still fucked if you are shortcel

 

[TheSlavicCel]

People really overestimate the importance of height in dating, I know this sounds kinda stupid, but height is not as important as you'd think, frame is what truly matters. An interesting personal anecdote, I am 185cm(6'1) which is pretty tall where I live, however, literally noone believes me when I tell them that, I almost got in an argument with my friend over this, he was 100% sure that he was taller than me, he is 175cm(5'9) and always thought I was like 170cm(5'7), I told him I was 185 and he literally didn't believe me, I had to stand next to him to prove to him that I'm significantly taller. Nobody ever believes me when I tell them my height, I've had 170cm dudes tell me I'm the same height as them. This is because I have narrow clavicles, narrow hips and small wrists, my arm is skinnier than most women. Women don't care that much about height, they care about frame, sure women don't like short guys, but my point is that height should be included in frame, your height is part of your frame, being short means having a bad frame. We should stop considering height and frame different, height is a part of your frame. We should also stop saying "women like tall guys", they don't, they like guys with a big frame (which usually means they're also tall, but not necessarily).

Im 5"9 but framecel with small jaw