Discussion For Personality/NT Pillers

[veryrare]

People say "I never say looks don't matter, I say that looks Isn't how you are perceived its a big thing although other things matter a ton"

The problem is that the other parts are not universally applicable change from person to person culture to culture situation to situation so they are completely fucking useless since they cant be quantified or measured objectively in any way you can never derive a general law for all humans outside of maybe really basic shit like someone attacking a knife where most people will have a uniform response

We are looking for a universal factor that we can analyze and test that affects all humans collectively so we can come up with universal laws that can explain human behavior and reactions to eachother looks do this wayyyyy better than any personality construct actually we can explain someones current personality based on looks JFL

For example a short man is more likely to experience insecurity due to his height he will have an insecure personality type and thus we can accurately assess his behavior detect how he copes with it etc however we gain nothing by looking at this insecurity in isolation

The question I ask is very simple we want a valid measurable factor to explain human behavior that is relevant cross culturally in any situation it needs to be testable in a valid experiment with an independent a dependent and a control variable looks is empirically variable and scientific personality traits are entirely conceptual and subjective between cultures and completely useless

 

[Gokubro]

There is no such thing as "Personality/NT Pillers". Those "people" are called infiltrators who are NOT incels and should be banned on sight.

 

[Kina Hikikomori]

People say "I never say looks don't matter, I say that looks Isn't how you are perceived its a big thing althoughother things matter a ton"

The problem is that the other parts are not universally applicable change from person to person culture to culture situation to situation so they are completely fucking useless since they cant be quantified or measured objectively in any way you can never derive a general law for all humans outside of maybe really basic shit like someone attacking a knife where most people will have a uniform response

We are looking for a universal factor that we can analyze and test that affects all humans collectively so we can come up with universal laws that can explain human behavior and reactions to eachother looks do this wayyyyy better than any personality construct actually we can explain someones current personality based on looks JFL

Yes, exactly, they use false premises and make unfounded attributions through unfounded analyses. Just yesterday I was arguing with a guy who said that appearance is subjective, he fell into such a trap that he used analyses that are incompatible with logic to fit his concepts.

 

[Stupid Clown]

Don't bother arguing with people who can easily be disproven with hard scientific evidence. You're arguing with a wall

 

[veryrare]

There is no such thing as "Personality/NT Pillers". Those "people" are called infiltrators who are NOT incels and should be banned on sight.

Yes, exactly, they use false premises and make unfounded attributions through unfounded analyses. Just yesterday I was arguing with a guy who said that appearance is subjective, he fell into such a trap that he used analyses that are incompatible with logic to fit his concepts.

Don't bother arguing with people who can easily be disproven with hard scientific evidence. You're arguing with a wall

There a lot of people here with these beliefs though
That's why I made this thread I want to see their answer to that question I wrote

I also forgot to tag: @GeckoBus @WorthlessSlavicShit @DarkStar @Regressive @SandNiggerKANG @Satriale's Pork @Da_Yunez @Regressive

 

[Kina Hikikomori]

There a lot of people here with these beliefs though

It's simply their reductionism, only around something very superficial and unfounded.

 

[Kina Hikikomori]

Don't bother arguing with people who can easily be disproven with hard scientific evidence. You're arguing with a wall

Exactly, this happened to me yesterday.

 

[Friezacel]

Being NT wont raise your SMV as it a prerequisit, but being autistic will completely nuke your SMV

 

[Fevet]

There is no such thing as "Personality/NT Pillers". Those "people" are called infiltrators who are NOT incels and should be banned on sight.

Inb4 they start pouncing on you

 

[Regressive]

Its over for scientific methodcels
But what r we concerned with? If it is “what attracts foids” then it must be looks that plays the most important role. However if u an autist with good face the foid will not just rape u. She may try but seeing youre non responsive/awkward shell give up so no sex for yo face

If it is “who can have more sexes” then looks goes to background n “the willpower for having as many sexes as possible” comes to foreground (brutal willpill). The sheer number of so called “lucky” or “exceptional” cases of ugly niggers with stacies (posted here many times n seen by myself many times) bears witness to the effect of this willpower
U may have money/looks/physics but not the fuckin will itself to fuck(i dont care if niggas here dont think its possible they r all to me)
Of course its just theoretical not to be observed
I also dont subscribe to the idea that “attraction is much more complex n depends on many factors”

 

[GeckoBus]

There a lot of people here with these beliefs though
That's why I made this thread I want to see their answer to that question I wrote

I also forgot to tag: @GeckoBus @WorthlessSlavicShit @DarkStar @Regressive @SandNiggerKANG @Satriale's Pork @Da_Yunez @Regressive

high iq thread
the NT thing also neglects that psychology does not meet the criteria of a legitimate science. A lot of their so-called measurements are based on self-report questionnaires, which scientifically speaking is laughable. There is a whole rabbit hole that one can dive into, about the history of the DSM (Diatnostic Statistical Manual) they use to classify and diagnose people, the history of psychology struggling to be viewed as a real scientific discipline.

In contrast to psychology, looks theory is actually scientific since we can empirically observe and quantify looks. We can tell gender differences by looks, we can predict behavior and personality traits based on how someone looks (being shorter than average = higher likelihood of insecurity about height, anxious around people. Tall people = more confident etc).

If anything, personality would be subservient to looks and other environmental factors influencing it. The worlds biggest man may cuck to a woman to please her, or even kiss a kings foot, if that is custom in that country and he is afraid of the consequences of denying the king this customary rite.

I honestly believe a lot of people that think their issue is being NT do so on the basis of a few fallacies:
- parts-whole fallacy: They see a few guys outside that they think are uglier than them with women and then judge looks theory can not be true.
- overrating themselves: They think they themselves are good looking enough, often based on autistic SMV ratings, so "there must be a reason other than my looks, for why I can not get the girls I am heavily attracted to" (nigga u uuughly, just get ova it ).

- subconscious misandry: Devaluing other men in their mind, thinking they are special somehow and then wondering why other men get pussy but they don't. Thinking women are special and different from men, failure to gender-swap -> would you care if a woman was "not-NT?" For most men it is quite the opposite actually. Crazy, slutty, abusive women are seen as more attractive, not less. There are entire porn and hentai genres based around "bad personality" girls bullying boys.

So if we are consistent with this, why would women care about your personality if they are sexually attracted to you? They don't.

- Ignoring the scientific evidence that women do not care about NT and that "NT" is just good looking men acting how they want because looks allow them to:

Multiple studies show that domestic abusers also commit other crimes, they aren't "hiding it" at all.

"You don't understand inkwell:bluepill::foidSoy::bluepill:, women would happily avoid abusers if they could, it's just that those abusers are so good at hiding their tendencies, they act completely normal until they ensnare a woman and then show their true face:foidSoy::soy:." Nope. Not at all...

incels.is

Calvert reviewed the literature on social skills and physical attractiveness and concluded that many ratings of social skill may be confounded by the physical attractiveness of the target individual, possibly due to a general perception that physical attractiveness and social competence are positively correlated.

Global social skill ratings: measures of social behavior or physical attractiveness? - PubMed

Calvert reviewed the literature on social skills and physical attractiveness and concluded that many ratings of social skill may be confounded by the physical attractiveness of the target individual, possibly due to a general perception that physical attractiveness and social competence are...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Gokubro]

There a lot of people here with these beliefs though

They are not incels and you should ignore them. Mods just refuse to ban them because this forum is DEAD as SHIT

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

The entire NTpill/personality coping is based on a fallacy that just because there might be other things than looks which influence how you are perceived and so on, that those things somehow, automatically become less objective or more malleable than looks. Which, even leaving aside the entire question of heritability of personality traits:

Heritability of personality.

"Yikes, inkwell:soy:. Do you finally understand? The problem is your personality, and just your personality:foidSoy::soy:. You know what to do, right:feels:? Quick, time for you to gain DNA manipulation superpowers and change your personality with it, just like Marvel...

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Is bullshit. It's literally just a desperate gasp on a fantasy of a just world. "You can't do much about this, but this is entirely under your control!" Except that such a belief quickly falls apart when seriously looked at. It's like how people went from saying "genes vs environment" to "nature or nurture" when they realized that the former wasn't bluepilled enough because the vast majority of people have about as much control over their environment as they do over their genes, especially in the most critical years of their lives.

The problem is that the other parts are not universally applicable change from person to person culture to culture situation to situation so they are completely fucking useless since they cant be quantified or measured objectively in any way you can never derive a general law for all humans outside of maybe really basic shit like someone attacking a knife where most people will have a uniform response

We are looking for a universal factor that we can analyze and test that affects all humans collectively so we can come up with universal laws that can explain human behavior and reactions to eachother looks do this wayyyyy better than any personality construct actually we can explain someones current personality based on looks JFL

True. Though I would say, we can kinda objectively measure personality, it's just that we can't do it with the naked eye, therefore we erroneously believe that it's something we have control over. Meanwhile, neuroscience has been annualy producing tons of studies of how people act the way they do simply because of the ways their brains are wired due to genetic and environmental factors completely beyond their control. Never forget that we have a study showing that normies all process the world the same way, while lonely people all see it uniquely:

Lonely people process the world differently, study finds

The Russian writer and philosopher Leo Tolstoy may have been onto something when he wrote the opening line of Anna Karenina: "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

www.news-medical.net

So yeah, there probably is something like a "normie brain", which most people have, and then you have outliers. Just like with looks, where most people are average, some a bit better looking or worse looking, and then you have the ones who are flat out ugly or attractive. It's just that we can't see the way someone's brain works by the naked eye without mutilating them, therefore the "I can't see it, therefore you are choosing it" mental reaction kicks in.

I genuinely wonder if this type of thinking is somehow linked to the fact that humans feel empathy for physical pain, that is, something they see on people, but don't feel empathy for social pain, which they can't see, despite the brain processing the two almost the same. The same principle of "something I can't see is more under your control and less of a factor than something I see" seems to show up in both:

Brainscans show that people feel no empathy for the social pain of others + Social pain activates the same parts of the brain as physical pain

You see it all the time: some lonely male dares to briefly vent or complain online about how miserable his life is and everyone acts completely apathetic if not straight up aggressive. People will constantly downplay everything he's going through. Psychiatrists will just be confused and tell him...

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[Grodd]

There is no such thing as "Personality/NT Pillers". Those "people" are called infiltrators who are NOT incels and should be banned on sight.

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

There is no such thing as "Personality/NT Pillers". Those "people" are called infiltrators who are NOT incels and should be banned on sight.

 

[notcracklord]

People say "I never say looks don't matter, I say that looks Isn't how you are perceived its a big thing although other things matter a ton"

The problem is that the other parts are not universally applicable change from person to person culture to culture situation to situation so they are completely fucking useless since they cant be quantified or measured objectively in any way you can never derive a general law for all humans outside of maybe really basic shit like someone attacking a knife where most people will have a uniform response

We are looking for a universal factor that we can analyze and test that affects all humans collectively so we can come up with universal laws that can explain human behavior and reactions to eachother looks do this wayyyyy better than any personality construct actually we can explain someones current personality based on looks JFL

For example a short man is more likely to experience insecurity due to his height he will have an insecure personality type and thus we can accurately assess his behavior detect how he copes with it etc however we gain nothing by looking at this insecurity in isolation

The question I ask is very simple we want a valid measurable factor to explain human behavior that is relevant cross culturally in any situation it needs to be testable in a valid experiment with an independent a dependent and a control variable looks is empirically variable and scientific personality traits are entirely conceptual and subjective between cultures and completely useless

I hate mfs who say “I love being autistic” and then post a video about them like doing smth “risky” it’s so retarded it’s so normie and it’s so fucking stupid since they would absolutely make fun of someone who is truly autistic