Blackpill "Fathers’ Facial Dominance Predicts First-Born Sons in Parent Dyads"

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

Brutal. Guess it's time to hit those pipes boyos, because as an incel, even when you beat all the odds and somehow manage to ascend and find yourself as an expecting father (something so incomprehensible to me I felt weird just typing it out), nature will just pull you aside and gently tap you on the shoulder to remind you that just because you beat the odds doesn't mean that another man with your genes ever will, and then will assure you that it will take care of it and give you a child who will 100% make you a grandfather one day.

The Trivers-Willard hypothesis (TWH) states that offspring sex should vary depending on parent condition, and TWH effects have been studied extensively. Findings have been equivocal, however, and recent work has challenged the TWH’s theoretical predictions.

We found that rated paternal facial dominance, but not rated maternal facial dominance or their interaction, predicted the likelihood of having a first-born son. Self-reported dominance was not a reliable predictor of offspring sex, and fWHR did not predict OSR.

These results suggest that fathers’ facial dominance might influence the likelihood of a couple producing male offspring. We propose a plausible mechanism through which maternal personality, hormones, and mate preferences influence the sex of offspring. Relationships between facial cues of dominance and offspring sex warrant further investigation.

Fathers’ Facial Dominance Predicts First-Born Sons in Parent Dyads - Adaptive Human Behavior and Physiology

Purpose The Trivers-Willard hypothesis (TWH) states that offspring sex should vary depending on parent condition, and TWH effects have been studied extensively. Findings have been equivocal, however, and recent work has challenged the TWH’s theoretical predictions. One possible reason for...

link.springer.com

Damn, I didn't even know this hypothesis existed. Very new study btw, it just came out a few months ago. The article includes a link to the data, there's a lot of it but I found a few actual numbers in the 200+ page PDF they have there:

For father’s residual facial dominance, the OR = 1.582, and for the interaction between mothers’ and fathers’ residual facial dominance the OR = 1.502. This indicates that, with other variables held constant, a one standard deviation unit increase in fathers’ residual facial dominance is associated with a 58.2% increase in the odds of having a first born son, and a one unit increase in the product of mothers’ and fathers’ residual facial dominance is associated with a 50.2% increase in the odds of having a first born son.

The Johnson-Neyman analysis indicates that there are no values of fathers’ residual facial dominance for which mothers’ residual facial dominance is a significant predictor of the probability of having a first born child. Worthy of note, however, the simple slopes analysis indicates that at low levels of fathers’ residual facial dominance (-1 SD) a one standard deviation increase in mothers’ residual facial dominance is associated with a 25.9% decrease in the odds of having a first born son and at high levels of fathers’ residual facial dominance (+1 SD) a one standard deviation increase in mothers’ residual facial dominance is associated with a 63.2% increase in the odds of having a first born son.

The odds ratio for father’s residual facial dominance is OR = 1.829, indicating that while holding mother’s residual facial dominance constant a one standard deviation increase in father’s residual facial dominance is associated with a 83% higher odds of having a first born son.

All of those effects are about an order of magnitude bigger than I've expected when I read the abstract wtf.

Brutal cucking from nature. Even when non-threatening and not even a bit dominant-looking incels manage to beat the odds and somehow become fathers, they'll probably just end up with daughters who will then get fucked by high-T and dominant-looking sons of their former high-T and dominant-looking bullies.

Spoiler

@based_meme @DarkStar @Regenerator @Mecoja @Incline @Stupid Clown @Sewer Sloth @Sergeant Kelly @Flagellum_Dei @To koniec @reveries @NIGGER BOJANGLES @veryrare @LeFrenchCel @PersonalityChad @OutcompetedByRoomba @GeckoBus @Lazyandtalentless @weaselbomber @ItsovERfucks @Grodd @anandkoala @Epedaphic @KING NOTHING @Wumbus @Eremetic

 

[Wumbus]

interesting

 

[PersonalityChad]

The blackpill always comes back to collect, even if it takes generations to do so.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

interesting

It definitely is, I wonder what reception this paper will receive among other researchers interested in that hypothesis.

The blackpill always comes back to collect, even if it takes generations to do so.

Indeed.

 

[PersonalityChad]

Indeed

Shit like this is why i don't want kids tbh

 

[Lazyandtalentless]

interesting

 

[GeckoBus]

Brutal. Guess it's time to hit those pipes boyos, because as an incel, even when you beat all the odds and somehow manage to ascend and find yourself as an expecting father (something so incomprehensible to me I felt weird just typing it out), nature will just pull you aside and gently tap you on the shoulder to remind you that just because you beat the odds doesn't mean that another man with your genes ever will, and then will assure you that it will take care of it and give you a child who will 100% make you a grandfather one day.

Fathers’ Facial Dominance Predicts First-Born Sons in Parent Dyads - Adaptive Human Behavior and Physiology

Purpose The Trivers-Willard hypothesis (TWH) states that offspring sex should vary depending on parent condition, and TWH effects have been studied extensively. Findings have been equivocal, however, and recent work has challenged the TWH’s theoretical predictions. One possible reason for...

link.springer.com

Damn, I didn't even know this hypothesis existed. Very new study btw, it just came out a few months ago. The article includes a link to the data, there's a lot of it but I found a few actual numbers in the 200+ page PDF they have there:





All of those effects are about an order of magnitude bigger than I've expected when I read the abstract wtf.

Brutal cucking from nature. Even when non-threatening and not even a bit dominant-looking incels manage to beat the odds and somehow become fathers, they'll probably just end up with daughters who will then get fucked by high-T and dominant-looking sons of their former high-T and dominant-looking bullies.

Spoiler

@based_meme @DarkStar @Regenerator @Mecoja @Incline @Stupid Clown @Sewer Sloth @Sergeant Kelly @Flagellum_Dei @To koniec @reveries @NIGGER BOJANGLES @veryrare @LeFrenchCel @PersonalityChad @OutcompetedByRoomba @GeckoBus @Lazyandtalentless @weaselbomber @ItsovERfucks @Grodd @anandkoala @Epedaphic @KING NOTHING @Wumbus @Eremetic

holy shit could this explain the "returning soldier effect?"
Like you know that phenomenon where after a war, people have more sons? Is it that all the subhumans fucking die, and the more facially dominant men impregnate all the foids, thus creating more sons?

Returning soldier effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DutchCel01]

What does facial dominance mean. Im too low iq

 

[KING VON]

Insanely brutal study.

holy shit could this explain the "returning soldier effect?"
Like you know that phenomenon where after a war, people have more sons? Is it that all the subhumans fucking die, and the more facially dominant men impregnate all the foids, thus creating more sons?

Returning soldier effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 2007, Kanazawa Satoshi published a paper theorizing that the effect was due to "the fact that taller soldiers are more likely to survive battle and that taller parents are more likely to have sons". This was based on his research of British Army records from the First World War, which showed that "surviving soldiers were on average more than one inch (3.33 cm) taller than fallen soldiers".[1] Other genetic explanations have been proposed.[6]

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

holy shit could this explain the "returning soldier effect?"
Like you know that phenomenon where after a war, people have more sons? Is it that all the subhumans fucking die, and the more facially dominant men impregnate all the foids, thus creating more sons?

Returning soldier effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It actually could, I didn't even realize that.

What does facial dominance mean. Im too low iq

How dominant your face looks.

Insanely brutal study.

The signs were already there years ago, damn.

 

[ItsovERfucks]

interesting

 

[Mecoja]

Brutal shit. My dad had 4 sons and one daughter, and life and smv mogged me into oblivion.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

So basically the more attractive you are, the higher are the odds of your first born being a male?

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

So basically the more attractive you are, the higher are the odds of your first born being a male?

Basically yes, but while they are probably linked and often correlate, facial attractiveness and facial dominance are still distinct. An attractive guy should be more likely to have a son as his first born child according to this, but not specifically because of how attractive he is, and more because said attractiveness also came with him looking more dominant than a normie.

 

[GeckoBus]

Brutal shit. My dad had 4 sons and one daughter, and life and smv mogged me into oblivion.

one branch of my family, my dad said they had like 10 kids and all of them sons, so they stopped trying
and he also said, the father was a doctor (mogger) and he just abandoned half the sons
and supported the other half and they became doctors
and the trash sons, like one of my dads cousins, they became literally homeless and shit

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Brutal. But yeah, this isn't surprising. If having daughters helps your subhuman bloodline survive it will be selected for over many generations.

 

[Mecoja]

one branch of my family, my dad said they had like 10 kids and all of them sons, so they stopped trying
and he also said, the father was a doctor (mogger) and he just abandoned half the sons
and supported the other half and they became doctors
and the trash sons, like one of my dads cousins, they became literally homeless and shit

Jfl, just disown the non Chad sons. Like cats when they have kittens, and one lags behind in development so the mother cat shos him away.

My dad got separated from his first son as the mother moved into different country. Later he had 3 of us with my mom. He always cried about that son, and hated us who were right in front of him. In the end, that guy, the first son, got married and has bunch of kids, while me and my brothers nothing.

 

[Grodd]

The blackpill always comes back to collect, even if it takes generations to do so.

 

[Grodd]

Dread it run from it The Blackpill arrives all the same

 

[Stupid Clown]

That's fucking brutal. Cuckoldry in nature

 

[based_meme]

I've read about this hypothesis long ago.

Brutal. Guess it's time to hit those pipes boyos, because as an incel, even when you beat all the odds and somehow manage to ascend and find yourself as an expecting father (something so incomprehensible to me I felt weird just typing it out), nature will just pull you aside and gently tap you on the shoulder to remind you that just because you beat the odds doesn't mean that another man with your genes ever will, and then will assure you that it will take care of it and give you a child who will 100% make you a grandfather one day.

It's probably an evolutionary fail-safe to increase the odds of bad genes being filtered out. If a weak-gened beta lucked out and birthed more sons than daughters (let alone lucked out and had offspring at all), then it's more beneficial for the species to have females who will then select for better genes in the next generation, instead of having an increased chance of repeating the same cycle (lucking out and reproducing) with the inferior genes.

 

[AntoCel]

Damn interesting stuff. Considering gender is fully dependend on male it does make sense.

 

[DarkStar]

Holy brutal to read, knowing my luck this is exactly what would happen to me:

Brutal cucking from nature. Even when non-threatening and not even a bit dominant-looking incels manage to beat the odds and somehow become fathers, they'll probably just end up with daughters who will then get fucked by high-T and dominant-looking sons of their former high-T and dominant-looking bullies.

Evolutionary wise, this does make sense. People forget that human beings are still animals fundamentally, and from what I have read various male animals who do succeed are either more dimorphic/dominant facially, or they just are moggers in height+frame aka raw aggression.

In fact, an idea I have is looking for some stuff relating to the animal kingdom & comparing it to us.

holy shit could this explain the "returning soldier effect?"
Like you know that phenomenon where after a war, people have more sons? Is it that all the subhumans fucking die, and the more facially dominant men impregnate all the foids, thus creating more sons?

Returning soldier effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No this does explain it, since if we go by kinda what I hinted above in the "evolutionary" basis it makes sense those who are more "aggressive" looking tend to more than likely have higher bone density:

The researchers chose this approach because previous studies involving the ratio of facial width to height have shown that greater facial width is often associated with higher testosterone levels as well as heightened aggression and strength in men.

Your Facial Bone Structure Has a Big Influence on How People See You

New research shows that although we perceive character traits like trustworthiness based on a person’s facial expressions, our perceptions of abilities like strength are influenced by facial structure

www.scientificamerican.com

Thus, it implies they are more likely to be T-moggers or just are healthier(sign of good genes) overall.

So basically the more attractive you are, the higher are the odds of your first born being a male?

Basically yes, but while they are probably linked and often correlate, facial attractiveness and facial dominance are still distinct. An attractive guy should be more likely to have a son as his first born child according to this, but not specifically because of how attractive he is, and more because said attractiveness also came with him looking more dominant than a normie.

Correlates with what I said above, since although there is a link with looking "dominant" and having higher T-levels.

As you said once, what is attractive can be nuanced, since nowadays we see foids going for a lot of neotenous looking pretty boys, but then we also see plenty of "masculine" looking types do well.

Brutal. But yeah, this isn't surprising. If having daughters helps your subhuman bloodline survive it will be selected for over many generations.

Makes sense, I'd just like to see more about the specific genes that can impact this & how exactly it works.

 

[DarkStar]

I also just realized like this thread:

"Indeed, attractive-disadvantageous partners were preferred to the same extent (or more) as unattractive-advantageous partners"

Man, this stuff is unreal sometimes:feelsUnreal:. https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjop.12495 https://sci-hub.se/10.1111/bjop.12495 For a quick overview, this study sought to look at how looks affect decision-making in relative long-term. A lot of such lookism...

incels.is

This is another certified "few MM of bone" classic.