"failed normies"

[ColdLightOfDay]

I am not contesting the idea that normies enter into LTRs. What I am saying is that it's an exaggeration to call them "LTRs," in that these relationships are really just casual hookups with a little bit more formality.

50% of marriages end in divorce, and so it only makes sense that a majority of serially-monogamous "LTRs" end in separation, and don't last longer than a few years at most.

As I edited into my post, adultery is now the rule rather than the exception, so it is no exaggeration to say that cuckoldry is rampant. All of modern sexuality is based upon infidelity; it is the default state, and previous generations of people would see things exactly this way.

You don’t have proof for any of this, your entire world view is based on the memes you read online. Yes divorce is very common because no one wants to be trapped in a loveless marriage anymore. The situation in the past wasn’t really preferable to this imo, 40+ years of life trapped in a marriage with mutual resentment compounding year on year? I’ll honestly take divorce over that. Just because people stayed together due to social pressure doesn’t mean they were happier.

 

[randomcel92]

Chads.co

 

[Capable_Onion]

We're an incel forum, no sexhavers allowed.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

You don’t have proof for any of this, your entire world view is based on the memes you read online. Yes divorce is very common because no one wants to be trapped in a loveless marriage anymore. The situation in the past wasn’t really preferable to this imo, 40+ years of life trapped in a marriage with mutual resentment compounding year on year? I’ll honestly take divorce over that. Just because people stayed together due to social pressure doesn’t mean they were happier.

You are incredibly arrogant and probably a failed normalfag.

A majority of divorces, as everybody knows, are initiated by women. So what you call "no one wanting to be trapped in a loveless marriage" is mostly just female monkey-branching behavior. Why are you apologizing for this, Mr. NT wannabe-normalfag?

And if you extrapolate the 50% divorce rate in marriages onto LTRs in general, then it only makes mathematical sense that a majority of them end in separations and cuckoldry.

The average sex-haver has had multiple partners, ergo a majority of "LTRs" have ended via cuckoldry, and cannot really be called "LTRs" at all. They are only "long-term" relative to One Night Stands, which have clearly become the focal point of modern sexuality, as based in prostitution and hookup culture.

Your fixation on short-term "happiness" over any long-term viability or vision only confirms the fact that you are a failed normalfag, or normalfag aspirant, the typical attitude of the low-intelligence, high time preference narcissists who dominate bourgeois soyciety.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

You are incredibly arrogant and probably a failed normalfag.

A majority of divorces, as everybody knows, are initiated by women. So what you call "no one wanting to be trapped in a loveless marriage" is mostly just female monkey-branching behavior. Why are you apologizing for this, Mr. NT wannabe-normalfag?

And if you extrapolate the 50% divorce rate in marriages onto LTRs in general, then it only makes mathematical sense that a majority of them end in separations and cuckoldry.

The average sex-haver has had multiple partners, ergo a majority of "LTRs" have ended via cuckoldry, and cannot really be called "LTRs" at all. They are only "long-term" relative to One Night Stands, which have clearly become the focal point of modern sexuality, as based in prostitution and hookup culture.

Your fixation on short-term "happiness" over any long-term viability or vision only confirms the fact that you are a failed normalfag, or normalfag aspirant, the typical attitude of the low-intelligence, high time preference narcissists who dominate bourgeois soyciety.

Okay, clearly I’ve triggered you by upsetting your pride, that was not something I intended to do and honestly I hate getting into ad hominem disputes with autists because I always come away with a bitter taste in my mouth so I’m going to keep it impersonal:

Men and women cheat at similar rates, (and there is no reason to lie on an anonymous survey) so apparently these ‘normcucks’ are giving back as good as they’re getting. Women file the papers for divorce more often than men because they often have more to gain financially from it, that doesn’t mean the man doesn’t hate his wife by that point and want her out of his life.

 

[GoffSystemQB]

You are incredibly arrogant and probably a failed normalfag.

A majority of divorces, as everybody knows, are initiated by women. So what you call "no one wanting to be trapped in a loveless marriage" is mostly just female monkey-branching behavior. Why are you apologizing for this, Mr. NT wannabe-normalfag?

And if you extrapolate the 50% divorce rate in marriages onto LTRs in general, then it only makes mathematical sense that a majority of them end in separations and cuckoldry.

The average sex-haver has had multiple partners, ergo a majority of "LTRs" have ended via cuckoldry, and cannot really be called "LTRs" at all. They are only "long-term" relative to One Night Stands, which have clearly become the focal point of modern sexuality, as based in prostitution and hookup culture.

Your fixation on short-term "happiness" over any long-term viability or vision only confirms the fact that you are a failed normalfag, or normalfag aspirant, the typical attitude of the low-intelligence, high time preference narcissists who dominate bourgeois soyciety.

It depends on what your time reference for "LTR" is though I agree nowadays it's certainly not a lifetime or anything.

I don't see the point on why were so concerned about cheating/cuckoldry when we're not even in the game. We don't even have the luxury of worrying about that.

I've read many cheating stories and truthfully I would've left very early before the cheating considering the knowledge I have because of places like this.

The reality is that women are easily bored and fickled. They get tired of things quick. In some cases it's not even monkey-branching though that certainly happens it's just that they're done with it entirely.

And this applies to Chads too by the way (at least many of them) because their looks fade over time. Unfortunately, long-term relationships outside of "being first" really don't exist in our lifetime at least.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

Okay, clearly I’ve triggered you by upsetting your pride, that was not something I intended to do and honestly I hate getting into ad hominem disputes with autistic people because I always come away with a bitter taste in my mouth so I’m going to keep it impersonal:

You are the one who looks at normalfags and desires what you see, and are effectively apologizing for women and the "dating culture" they dominate.

Yet you speak of my pride, someone who you describe as "autistic" in a mocking tone

Men and women cheat at similar rates

Hmm... you implied that I'm the one living in the past, but you're using anachronistic statistics for your own benefit!

Do Women Cheat More Than Men? Why Millennial Partners Cheat

Why are millennial women cheating more than men? The reasons are varied, but the cheating gender gap is quickly closing between those under 30

melmagazine.com

Your entire argument has no foundation. Go try socialmaxxing with normies and making your shallow, prejudiced, "empirical" observations of the world on social media. You would get more reception through these means.

 

[Yerberito]

Dang

 

[Atavistic Autist]

It depends on what your time reference for "LTR" is though I agree nowadays it's certainly not a lifetime or anything.

I don't see the point on why were so concerned about cheating/cuckoldry when we're not even in the game. We don't even have the luxury of worrying about that.

I've read many cheating stories and truthfully I would've left very early before the cheating considering the knowledge I have because of places like this.

The reality is that women are easily bored and fickled. They get tired of things quick. In some cases it's not even monkey-branching though that certainly happens it's just that they're done with it entirely.

And this applies to Chads too by the way (at least many of them) because their looks fade over time. Unfortunately, long-term relationships outside of "being first" really don't exist in our lifetime at least.

It is commodity fetishism as applied to sexuality, which is something that failed normalfags look up to, as if wanting to be cucked.

Human beings are just considered objects of voluptuousness to use and abuse according to your own narcissistic desires, or pursuit of short-term gratification. But hmm... other human beings think the exact same thing about you, and will as readily exploit you as you exploit them!

No wonder the most sexually successful people have IQs between 75 and 95. This soyciety which failed normalfags love so much and wish they could conform to rewards the lowest intelligent, and highest impulse behaviors.

Maybe "just be yourself" is valid advice then for these failed normalfags

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

You are the one who looks at normalfags and desires what you see, and are effectively apologizing for women and the "dating culture" they dominate.

Yet you speak of my pride, someone who you describe as "autistic" in a mocking tone

You can try to hide it with as many smiling Pepe emojis as you like, it’s obvious you are bitter at the fact I can cite the real world and you can’t. I’m not rubbing it in your face like you believe I am, I’m merely stating a fact - tone translates very poorly though the medium of text. I am in no way mocking you for being autistic, I just think it is reasonable for me to state that I know more about the lives of normies considering I (more than likely) have much higher exposure to them than you.

Hmm... you implied that I'm the one living in the past, yet you use anachronistic statistics for your own benefit.

Do Women Cheat More Than Men? Why Millennial Partners Cheat

Why are millennial women cheating more than men? The reasons are varied, but the cheating gender gap is quickly closing between those under 30

melmagazine.com

The entire basis of your argument has no foundation.

This statement is highly ironic given the survey you cited supports my point of view far more than it does yours. I said ‘men and women cheat at similar rates’ and you provided a study showing 1% discrepancy on the side of women among young adults believing this disproved my claim? What about a 1% discrepancy and the term ‘similar rates’ are in any way contradictory? I feel a bit silly having to point that out to you tbh, perhaps I’m wasting my time here.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

You can try to hide it with as many smiling Pepe emojis as you like, it’s obvious you are bitter at the fact I can cite the real world and you can’t. I’m not rubbing it in your face like you believe I am, I’m merely stating a fact - tone translates very poorly though the medium of text. I am in no way mocking you for being autistic, I just think it is reasonable for me to state that I know more about the lives of normies considering I (more than likely) have much higher exposure to them than you.

There certainly are autists on this forum who lack all empirical evidence for their arguments, but I am not one of them.

My point is simply that modern sexuality is libertine, unrestricted, and unrestrained, and has fundamentally been corrupted by hookup culture, as based in the customs of prostitutes and homosexuals.

I have made highly incisive threads on this topic, and plan to make more of them:

https://incels.is/threads/brutal-th...place-are-to-be-found-in-prostitution.171431/

You, however, are saying that a majority of people are fully unaffected by hookup culture, just because a majority of people don't use Tinder, which is a perspective that desperately lacks nuance.

If autistic people often take things too far with their a priori arguments, which inflates theories to the point that they lose their real life-bases, then NTs often take things too far with their a posteriori arguments, as if seeing the surface level of things is fully explanatory.

This statement is highly ironic given the survey you cited supports my point of view far more than it does yours. I said ‘men and women cheat at similar rates’ and you provided a study showing 1% discrepancy on the side of women among young adults believing this disproved my claim? What about a 1% discrepancy and the term ‘similar rates’ are in any way contradictory? I feel a bit silly having to point that out to you tbh, perhaps I’m wasting my time here.

The fact that younger women are nonetheless more likely to admit to cheating on their spouses than younger men (a reversal of past trends), and the fact that women are more likely to lie to make themselves look better even in anonymous surveys than men due to their increased tendency for social conformity (the Bradley Effect), and the fact that women are likely to have more cumulative sexual partners than men, reveals the true extent of the situation.

Women dominate dating culture, they have most of the "leverage," and so it only makes sense that they perpetuate most of the cheating, just like they initiate most of the divorces (which is nothing but formalized adultery).

And this all makes your defense of modern dating dynamics as opposed to marriage most curious, since it is effectively a defense of feminism, women, and hookup culture (as against patriarchy), things which aren't really considered desirable around these parts.

 

[Deleted member 818]

Sexhavers shouldn't be allowed here, except maybe escortcels.

 

[JestER]

Interesting find man

 

[GoffSystemQB]

There certainly are autists on this forum who lack all empirical evidence for their arguments, but I am not one of them.

My point is simply that modern sexuality is libertine, unrestricted, and unrestrained, and has fundamentally been corrupted by hookup culture, as based in the customs of prostitutes and homosexuals.

I have made highly incisive threads on this topic, and plan to make more of them:

https://incels.is/threads/brutal-th...place-are-to-be-found-in-prostitution.171431/

You, however, are saying that a majority of people are fully unaffected by hookup culture, just because a majority of people don't use Tinder, which is a perspective that desperately lacks nuance.

If autistic people often take things too far with their a priori arguments, which inflates theories to the point that they lose their real life-bases, then NTs often take things too far with their a posteriori arguments, as if seeing the surface level of things is fully explanatory.



The fact that younger women are nonetheless more likely to admit to cheating on their spouses than younger men (a reversal of past trends), and the fact that women are more likely to lie to make themselves look better even in anonymous surveys than men due to their increased tendency for social conformity (the Bradley Effect), and the fact that women are likely to have more cumulative sexual partners than men, reveals the true extent of the situation.

Women dominate dating culture, they have most of the "leverage," and so it only makes sense that they perpetuate most of the cheating, just like they initiate most of the divorces (which is nothing but formalized adultery).

And this all makes your defense of modern dating dynamics as opposed to marriage most curious, since it is effectively a defense of feminism, women, and hookup culture (as against patriarchy), things which aren't really considered desirable around these parts.

There also needs to be a comprehensive view of the difference between male and female libido. Men cheat because they're not getting enough sexual satisfaction (or at least in my mind) while when women cheat it is a complete and total betrayal because chances are they were not even having sex with their current partner.

Or at least not with the frequency or enthusiasm with their paramour.

So appealing to the cheating rate is pure nonsense anyways. Women cheat more when they're younger despite having a much lower sex drive that's damning.

 

[metabuxx]

Interesting find man

 

[Dregster]

JFL

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

There certainly are autists on this forum who lack all empirical evidence for their arguments, but I am not one of them.

My point is simply that modern sexuality is libertine, unrestricted, and unrestrained, and has fundamentally been corrupted by hookup culture, as based in the customs of prostitutes and homosexuals.

I have made highly incisive threads on this topic, and plan to make more of them:

https://incels.is/threads/brutal-th...place-are-to-be-found-in-prostitution.171431/

You, however, are saying that a majority of people are fully unaffected by hookup culture, just because a majority of people don't use Tinder, which is a perspective that desperately lacks nuance.

If autistic people often take things too far with their a priori arguments, which inflates theories to the point that they lose their real life-bases, then NTs often take things too far with their a posteriori arguments, as if seeing the surface level of things is fully explanatory.



The fact that younger women are nonetheless more likely to admit to cheating on their spouses than younger men (a reversal of past trends), and the fact that women are more likely to lie to make themselves look better even in anonymous surveys than men due to their increased tendency for social conformity (the Bradley Effect), and the fact that women are likely to have more cumulative sexual partners than men, reveals the true extent of the situation.

Women dominate dating culture, they have most of the "leverage," and so it only makes sense that they perpetuate most of the cheating, just like they initiate most of the divorces (which is nothing but formalized adultery).

And this all makes your defense of modern dating dynamics as opposed to marriage most curious, since it is effectively a defense of feminism, women, and hookup culture (as against patriarchy), things which aren't really considered desirable around these parts.

I’m in no way defending these things, you are taking a very binary interpretation of my point of view and then accusing me of lacking nuance. I am not denying that elements of what you are saying are true, things are certainly more difficult now than they were ten years ago.

Regardless of whether your claims about the relevance of the Bradley effect in this debate are true (the effect has only been observed in face to face polling, there is no evidence that it encompasses anonymous surverys) it does not account for a majority of the population given the fact that the numbers for cheating are still relatively low - especially among young people. The Bradley effect usually observes a discrepancy of up to 5%, so even if maxed out, that would take the number of young female cheaters to a grand total of 16%. You have tried to shoehorn an eclectic set of theories and figures into a situation where they are not comprehensive and certainly not definitive in verifying your argument. I’m not defending feminism by proxy in stating this, you have set yourself up as the gatekeeper of truth on this matter and have taken any insinuation to the contrary to be a ‘defence of feminism’ merely because it contradicts your own world view for what the repercussions of feminism are. This is a lazy tactic often used by conservatives in defence of the Iraq war who stated that any dissent from the narrative that it was necessary to invade Iraq was tantamount to ‘defending Saddam Hussein’ and by proxy ‘hating America.’

Frankly, it is peak cognitive dissonance for you to attempt to portray an accurate depiction of how life is for (most) normies from the use of a graph that doesn’t even fit your narrative and then merely to cite “muh, Bradley effect” in an attempt to make up the difference. Just because your biased, self-confirming methods are proof enough for you does not make them viable, you clearly have an emotional interest in portraying the lives of normies as worse than they are as an attempt to console yourself for the fact you are missing out.

Many of the effects you described are true on some level, but it is you who lacks nuance if you are to claim they encompass the majority of society, because if that were the case, those of us who do have large social circles that contain many normies who are in stable LTRs would not observe the world as we do. You cannot discount all of our experiences as anomalous when your own opinion is based so heavily on assumptions, like the assumption that the Bradley effect (which has only been observed in face to face polling anyway in a world where most surveys are now done online) can account for a discrepancy of over 5%, let alone the 40%+ that would be required for what you described to make up a majority of relationships - which would be the minimum requirement for an issue be considered ‘societal’ in the way that you have described.

 

[Erenious]

JFL, when even normies aren't getting laid in 2020.

 

[MountainGorilla]

this thread aged poorly

 

[ldargoblin]

 

[your personality]

 

[AmIjustDreaming]

this thread aged poorly

 

[Pain And Hatred]

another day on gigachads.co. Also this aged very badly.

 

[your personality]

another day on gigachads.co. Also this aged very badly.

tyrones.co

 

[kikecel]

I would kill to have @Colvin76's biceps

 

[SneakPower611]

describes you perfectly

 

[based_meme]

Colvin76

KHHV

Between the feds, infiltrators, and various larpers, it's a wonder this place is still called incels.co.

 

[your personality]

"Incels.co" Just lol View attachment 247785