Serious Experiences with escorts are just as genuine as real life romantic experiences

[subhuman]

I see a lot of people dismissing escortmaxxing as not "real" because "they only do it for the money". They say they wouldn't enjoy it because the whole time they would just be thinking about how the girl is only acting. This position becomes unsound when they say they prefer unpaid relationships with girls because it is "actually real". This begs the question: what constitutes a real sexual or romantic experience with a girl? Is it just the absence of money? Or that you believe in it? Or that she is believing in it? And how do we know whether it's real or not?

The problem is the disconnect between the outwards actions and emotions a person shows and the inner feelings they actually have. This makes it difficult to tell whether a person is showing their true feelings or only acting. Even though I have never been in a relationship, this is a problem I have faced when talking to girls in the past. For example, when I would say something funny, I would never know if they thought the joke was funny, or if they were laughing at me. I would never know if the reactions I got from girls were signs of interest or them just being polite or nice or even patronizing. Furthermore, this is even a problem for people who are in apparently loving relationships. Lots of times there is suspicions of infidelity. Lots of times, the guy doesn't know whether he is really making his girl orgasm or if she is just faking it. Lots of times, you can't really tell if the girl is just with the guy for his money, or if she actually likes him. Which is the same problem people have with escortmaxxing JFL.

This is further complicated by the question of: who are we really? I think about the bluepiller advice of "just work on your personality bro" and "just be confident", which most normies actually believe btw or the redpiller PUA bullshit like holding frame. Both of these are advocating for you to change your behavior in order to get girls, in other words acting. How real is your love then if your girl has only ever seen you acting? All forms of self improvement are pretty much just acting and posing. But then who are we in the first place? A lot of times, the line between who we "really" are and who we are posing as are blurred, because often all we are is just caricatures of ourselves, actors pretending like we are real people. Or maybe real people pretending to be actors.

It is hardly justifiable to gatekeep something that is so ambiguous like the real, especially when considering the complexities of human emotions and relationships. I think a lot of incels intentionally use this in their rhetoric to create room for their impossible romantic fantasies. What they really want isn't actually a romantic relationship, but the ego boost of being loved and desired. But the fact is that nobody ever truly knows if they are loved or not. Nobody ever truly has that kind of confirmation.

TLDR: experiences with escorts are more real, and unpaid experiences with girls are less real, than what you probably think

 

[LesscoBlob]

Giga austistic thread.

 

[IncelWithNoLuck]

Didn’t read fuck off and go back to licking cum out of an escorts axe wound

 

[Oroborus]

Giga austistic thread.

Didn’t read fuck off and go back to licking cum out of an escorts axe wound

 

[NorthernWind]

Women feel genuine affection and sexual attraction towards Chad.
Escorts at best feel nothing towards you.

 

[subhuman]

A girlfriend would actually like you, and it's cope to pretend that women are incapable of actually being genuine with their man

Even if they actually like someone and show genuine affection to them, how do you even know they are actually being genuine and actually like them? People in relationships just cope by having "trust", which is like the romantic version of how religious people cope with the fact that God's existence can't be proven by just having "faith". Literally almost every relationship has trust issues. Normies get super paranoid about this shit. The real cope is thinking that the ideal foid exists and that there would be some way for here to communicate her genuine affection unequivocally.

just be yourself

imagine saying this unironically on an incel forum

There will always be a part of them that knows that they are a failure and that escorts are a subpar replacement for an actual relationship

This is a foid worshipping cope. Fucking escorts is more pleasurable than having an actual relationship. Relationships only seem better to people who are living in a fantasy and see foids with rose colored glasses. The kind of relationship incels want just doesn't exist.

Sex with escorts is better than love in a relationship

The pleasure you get from relationships and love is inferior to that of sex with escorts. I'll never understand why people ACTUALLY feel bad about being a bachelor. It's like feeling bad that you work for Google instead of wageslaving as a janitor JFL. I think a lot of people never think...

incels.is

For a thought experiment, imagine in the future when robots are created that do everything that foids do but better: they are more attractive, are more pleasurable to fuck, are submissive, and show affection to you more than actual foid roasties do. The first thing that will happen is all the foid roasties will rail against their production, saying that men who get these "can't handle a real woman" (even though human foids are inferior to these robots) and that the love they get from these isn't actually real. I mean who is even going to care what they foidlets are saying, when everything is so much better without them?

 

[subhuman]

@BlkPillPres

 

[BlkPillPres]

TLDR: experiences with escorts are more real, and unpaid experiences with girls are less real, than what you probably think

@BlkPillPres

I don't even know why you gave them an inch so that they could take a mile, you missed the obvious flaw at the start of their usual arguments.

Ask yourself:
WHAT EXPERIENCES WITH WOMEN ARE "UNPAID" FOR THE AVERAGE MAN?

You argued a position that didn't even need to be argued, because THERE ARE NO UNPAID ROMANTIC EXPERIENCES FOR THE AVERAGE MAN ANYWAYS.

It starts here:

This position becomes unsound when they say they prefer unpaid relationships with girls because it is "actually real".

No, the position becomes unsound when they say any kind of romantic relationship is "unpaid". I don't understand how you skipped over that part and even gave them that inch, to then argue a position that didn't need to be argued from the start.

Women feel genuine affection and sexual attraction towards Chad.
Escorts at best feel nothing towards you.

Yes, and people born into wealth live extremely privileged lives where they get everything they want without any effort. What does that have to do with the life of the average person?

You can't set your rules and framework for life based on the exception to the rule, that doesn't make sense.

Also, there's always another Chad, even Chads get monkey branched, so what is really "genuine" about female "affection".

In fact lets go back a step, why is female "affection" even "genuine" when it all revolves around "physical attraction"?

The genuineness about romanticism is supposed to be about "deeper things", if you take that away it's really just "lust". There's no reason to dress it up and make it sound "deep" by using terms like "affection".

I will never experience a bond birthed from sexual-love that does not involve a social contract of sorts.

Nor did many of your ancestors, arranged marriages were the norm for most of human history.

Also, when isn't a "social contract" involved in romantic relationships?

Men are always expected to be the protectors and providers in the relationship, the exception doesn't make the rule.

 

[BlkPillPres]

From what I have observed the sexual bonds that are purely romantic only occur in fiction.

Exactly, but ironically even in fiction the male is seldom handsome, so they can't even convince themselves to pretend when writing fiction.

Almost every Disney princess was just some average girl who got swept off of her feet and pursued by a tall handsome Chad prince.

 

[ForevrAlone]

Women feel genuine affection and sexual attraction towards Chad.
Escorts at best feel nothing towards you.

 

[BlkPillPres]

High IQ observation but do u think that it's possible that a normie can get a woman to love him after paying his fee for the relationship (house, car, gifts, clothing, security)? love and companionship is obviously out of the question with a whore but is it really for the typical trad relationship of old? i guess you'd have to seamaxx to get this trad life tho.

My position is that relationships are essentially prostitution at the end of the day. Men are expected to protect women and provide for them financially. So what do you mean be "after paying his fee".

Having a woman is a subscription service, you don't stop paying .

Have you ever worked as a cashier in a place that sells female hygiene products or make up?

If you did you should know what I'm talking about.

Men are always footing the bill for their women, and the looks on their faces as they hold their wallets and the bill starts to rack up on their "pussy maintenance costs" is priceless.

Whether it's Chad or a normie, it's always the same look.

ALL MEN ARE PAYING IF THEY ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP.

 

[BlkPillPres]

but i dont think many guys would mind paying this subscription fee if through these regular payments they'd essentially grow on the woman and she'd learn to love him. i'd take that over a whore who could offer no companionship.

You're not getting the point, there is no "love". It's all just a contract dictated by our biological imperatives.

Statistically the chances for divorce go up by 33% if a woman begins to out earn her husband. So did that "love" magically disappear?

Love has nothing to do with relationships anyways. It all comes down to physical attraction and resource provision.

I know people don't want to see relationships as something so "mechanical" and you all want it to be "deep" and "meaningful", but it isn't.

This is what I find funny about so many incels. You'll use "evolution psychology" in all your other statements across the forum with relation to women. But all of a sudden when it comes to romantic relationships you switch the logic chip in your brain off, and now "love" exists.

You can't have it both ways.

since going to see a whore is not much different than going to mcdonalds for a big mac i dont see how that could be satisfying in the long-term.

You must really hate Mc Donalds. I think a more accurate analogy is that going to see whores (as in plural) is not much different than going out to eat at various restaurants. You can eat some KFC one day, some Chinese take out the next day, etc. There's variety to enjoy.

You can eat a Big Mac on Monday and then eat some Little Caesars on Tuesday, whatever size, shape, flavor, etc you want.

How is that not satisfying?

Maybe it's not satisfying because you are going into it expecting to "feel" something that isn't there. You think it's there in the glamorized relationships you see in media, but it really isn't, it's all just biology, it's all really "mechanical" and straight forward.

Humans just want to "feel special" so they attempt to mystify everything they do.

destroying my sex drive through intermittent fastmaxxing and gymcelling has done enough to quell my sexual frustrations and i cant stand the idea of supporting the livelihood of my enemy (whores and their cucked pimps).

Ironically you'd take a woman out on a date though if she accepted, right?

You are in denial of reality.

At the end of the day you will be "supporting the livelihood" of some woman in your pursuit of sex.

The only question is if you are willing to come to terms with that and accept reality.

Prostitution = Renting
Dating = Leasing
Marriage = Buying

At the end of the day were all paying.


The sad part about my above analogy is that in modern times the sex isn't even guaranteed anymore. So it's more like:

Prostitution = Renting
Dating = Gambling
Marriage = Gambling (with higher odds)

You are only guaranteed sex from Prostitution, everything else is a gamble.

 

[Deleted member 21770]

OMEGA GIGA NIGGA COPE THREAD
paid pussy DONT LOVE YOU NIGGER
get it through your dumbass head

 

[BlkPillPres]

OMEGA GIGA NIGGA COPE THREAD
paid pussy DONT LOVE YOU NIGGER
get it through your dumbass head

Does "love" even exist?

Women initiate around 70% of all divorces (the #1 reason listed is finances).

That percentage goes up to around 90% if the woman is college educated (the less a woman depends on a man's finances, the less she values him).

The chances of divorce go up by 33% if a woman begins to out earn her husband (once again, your finances determines how women value you).

Etc, etc, etc.

I can go on and on with more statistics if I go look them up, those were just the ones off the top of my head.

There was never any "love" to begin with. Relationships never revolved around anything "deep" or "meaningful" from the start. In fact arranged marriages were the norm for most of human history, marriage was about "legacy" and "duty".

All you have to do is take an honest look at reality and you can see that this is the truth. Just look at the stats of the modern era, and the courtship rituals and customs of the past.

It all simply comes down to physical attraction and resource provision (on the part of the man), and the success of a relationship ways HEAVILY on resource provision.

This is why I never saw a difference between dating and prostitution. Even as a young teen like 14 years old or so, I'd be talking with male classmates at school and saying that I don't see a difference, and we would all laugh and the guys would say "yeah, but don't say that too loudly" (the girls might overhear us lol).

If at the end of the day you have to pay for sex and female companionship, what the hell do you mean when you say "love"?

 

[Deleted member 21770]

what the hell do you mean when you say "love"?

when roastie toastie provides me access to free pussy that is what i consider love

also redit spacing hahaha
die faggot

 

[BlkPillPres]

when roastie toastie provides me access to free pussy that is what i consider love

When is pussy free for an average man?

Why do you idiots keep saying "free pussy" and "free sex", when the large majority of men have to pay for "dates" to get sex, and then when they get into a relationship they have to fund that woman's lifestyle, pay bills, etc, in order to have continued access to sex?

Sex/pussy is never really free, even when Chad gets into a relationship it costs money. Chad only gets "free" sex from one night stands, and Chad is the exception to the rule (and even then he had to buy her a few drinks at first).

 

[Deleted member 21770]

When is pussy free for an average man?

nothing is free obviously because money makes the world go round
maybe the good guys should have won ww2 and we probably could've solved the moneyjew but nope
6 gorillion and the chambers of gass gave birth to the divide of man and woman

 

[Reclusemaxxer]

Renting a house is the same as owning a house

 

[subhuman]

Renting a house is the same as owning a house

Yes actually. The experience of living in a rented house is the same as living in an owned house. Whether it’s rented or not doesn’t matter. Determinate negation and shit what you’re doing comparing the two is just shifting perspectives

 

[AsianKungFao]

Based on the reports of escortcells, you cant do a lot of things with escorts that you can do with a gf

 

[subhuman]

Based on the reports of escortcells, you cant do a lot of things with escorts that you can do with a gf

Most escortcels are retarded. If you are smart about it like me you don’t have that problem

 

[ResidentHell]

A girlfriend would actually like you, and it's cope to pretend that women are incapable of actually being genuine with their man.

I was going to say that love is not ambiguous, but we have seen cases of men falling in love with sexdolls and the likes. However, for the majority of men, seeing an escort every week may satisfy their sexual urges which in turn may alleviate certain pressures and the feeling of wanting more than love for a little while. There will always be a part of them that knows that they are a failure and that escorts are a subpar replacement for an actual relationship. Escorts may feel more real mainly because we are signing a very specific contract where you can guarantee that you will have sex.

Cope. OP's observation is the more logical perspective.

People tend to larp for self-benefit. Through their behaviour, they can give off an impression that doesn't correlate with how they truly feel. People often lie, deceive and manipulate each other for their own benefit. If you cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that a certain emotion exists in the conscious of another human, all you are doing is using conjecture to rationalize the existence of something that you aren't really in the right place to affirm with absolute certainty.

 

[ResidentHell]

You're not getting the point, there is no "love". It's all just a contract dictated by our biological imperatives.

Maybe not exactly biological but to some degree psychological, because some people may establish partnerships to manage their anxiety about a solitude life even when they may have the means and resources to survive alone.

All you have to do is take an honest look at reality and you can see that this is the truth. Just look at the stats of the modern era, and the courtship rituals and customs of the past.

It all simply comes down to physical attraction and resource provision (on the part of the man), and the success of a relationship ways HEAVILY on resource provision.

If at the end of the day you have to pay for sex and female companionship, what the hell do you mean when you say "love"?

 

[ResidentHell]

I see plenty of women fall in love with a man just because of the way he looks or how he feels

Lust and love are two different emotions. Just because a woman may lust after a man does not necessarily mean that she will love that same man.

Lust refers to a sexual craving for something that you may not have any other interest in but only sexual interaction with it.

Love has to do with what looks like a fantasy partnership where almost everything is shared between the love partners. They share company, they cohabitate, they share thoughts and emotions (assuming they are conscious beings), they share resources, they support each other when in need blah blah blah...

In reality, humans are not really nice, they do horrible things to each other every day. They lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate, coerce, exploit, kill without provocation and sometimes kill carelessly. Also humans tend to behave in a snobbish way towards each other. They demean and express their contempt of other people because they don't have the same level of wealth or resources that they themselves have, and they tend to show off their wealth to poorer people, inferring their social / economic superiority over them.

How can you determine with absolute certainty that you know the current emotional state of another person if you can't see directly through their consciousness? If you cant, there will be room for doubt about the emotions of the other person.

It's this simple. Lust is the more logical approach to sexual contact with other people. Love is the deluded approach.

 

[ResidentHell]

Pay to slay, or live to perpetually speculate the other person's emotional state

 

[ResidentHell]

Love does come and go, but it will always be the base of a relationship. Part of a relationship is making compromises and sacrifices, learning to work through the hard times, treating your partner with common decency even when you are angry, etcetera.

Employment can be considered a type of "relationship" between the employee and the employer / manager.

If I have to make compromises and sacrifices at work so that I can retain my job and the respect of my co-workers and my manager, would it mean that I "love" them? Would "love" be the basis of my relationship with colleagues at work, because I learn to work with them through hard times and treat them with common decency even when I am angry?

Love will always be at the baseline of a relationship even if it is not evident to an outsider looking in.

I see. You mean the fantasy / idealistic type of relationship.

You have painted the human condition with a very negative brush, alluding to the idea that at the end of the day humans are simply out for themselves and will commit horrendous acts in order to get their way.

Yeah no shit. How do you think the Western empire became what it is today?

Did they travel to the communities of indigenous people with the diplomatic goal to unite people of different cultures and expand the free market and improve the welfare and social equity of people? Apparently they did. Also did they colonize native lands, coerce the people of native lands into labor, seize control of the resources in native lands and sometimes obliterate people from the native lands in order to get closer to their goal? This apparently they also did.

From what I have learnt, the greatest empire in human history wasnt exactly acheived through acts of kindness and peaceful negotiations.

 

[ResidentHell]

Acting snobbish and committing crimes are two very different things and should not be conflated

I think snobbery is a petty thing, but sometimes people from impoverished conditions may resort to criminality to improve their economic situation. Although I cant prove it, I think snobbery motivates poor people to resort to dangerous and criminal methods of accumulating wealth. Personally I like to assume that people dont want to be poor, because people work every day to receive enough money to cover the cost of living. So when poor people see the rich people showing off their wealth, I assume not all of them would react with something along the lines of "Oh well. Wealth sucks anyway. I dont need money, I am content with my economic situation as a poor person".

humans aren't very nice but that goes against everything I have seen both irl and online

We live in a society. If it was not for the criminal laws and punishments that have been put in place, I think many people would resort to criminal activities that they otherwise wouldn't have committed. Personally, I think humans place laws and fear of punishment in higher regard than their "moral standards". Abolish criminal law and you will see the true colors of people.

 

[ResidentHell]

Life is hard, relationships are harder, putting your trust in another human is the hardest. We cannot determine with 100% ABSOLUTE certainty the emotional state of another person, because that is the nature of emotions! Emotions are subject to change on a whim. What we can observe is behavioural patterns over the course of weeks, months and years, to determine what a person thinks and believes. Lust is hollow and only satisfies you in the moment. Lust is also subject to change due to hormonal imbalances and the erratic and turbulent nature of life itself. Lust is more concrete than love in my opinion, but also fleeting in nature (especially after post-nut clarity). I know for a fact whether I want to sleep with a women or not. Love is complicated and requires time to nurture and flourish. True love, a pipedream it feels like at this point, I'm sure is far more potent and satisfying than simply fulfilling your base needs by lusting and sleeping with some random hoe. If your primary concern is sexual contact with another person then obviously lust is the more appropriate thing to experience. Falling in love with a random women sets you up for failure. You would also lust for your future partner, as we are visual creatures and have carnal desires, but love would also play a massive role in keeping her around - otherwise you wouldn't be able to put up with a women's emotional state all the time. Lust can only take you so far in a relationship; lust is really the only thing you need when sleeping with escorts and one night stands.

It depends on your preference.

If you dont care about companionship or friendship and just want pussy, then lust is the logical approach

But if you aspire to play the game where the only reward would be the reinforcement of self-esteem and the regular companionship of a gradually decaying human who often tells you things you like to hear and allows you to do things to their body, I guess you can pursue love.

At the end of the day it depends on what you want. But with "love" it would still come down to your imagination about the emotions of the other person. To "love" is to seek fulfillment through what could be just a figment of your own imagination, which is basically . To lust is to desire something that exists outside of the abstract and brings fulfillment but only via sexual contact, which is .

If you still have aspirations about love, it means you aren't really . Do not worry, there's no shame in being , because it helps to soothe emotions and maintain a blissfully oblivious mentality. It can be helpful to dream, even if just a pipedream

 

[I want to believe]

TLDR: experiences with escorts are more real, and unpaid experiences with girls are less real, than what you probably think

It's fucking expensive anyways.

 

[ezio6]

id like to meet with escort whos nice to me and receptive and listen to my problems instead the cocky escort

 

[decembrist_kirillov]

escortcels and incels are never the same.

 

[turbosperg]

Renting a house is the same as owning a house

you can't "own" a foid.

A Chad can impregnate lots of random foids
A beta male can be enslaved by a random foid

But there are very few societies that enforce foid-ownership.

What they really want isn't actually a romantic relationship, but the ego boost of being loved and desired.

Yes, beta males have evolved to chase "love", which is the mechanism by which they become slaves to a foid.

But the fact is that nobody ever truly knows if they are loved or not. Nobody ever truly has that kind of confirmation.

I do. I truly know I'm not loved.

In fact, I believe that only pets, kids and foids are loved -- non-Chad adult males are never loved and seen as disposable.

TLDR: experiences with escorts are more real, and unpaid experiences with girls are less real, than what you probably think

Experience with escort: the client pays an upfront price for a performance of sex and feigned affection.

beta males' "unpaid" experience with girls: the beta male is "chasing love" until he finds a willing foid who seduces and enslaves him -- with a performance of sex and feigned affection. The beta male then pays with his life by toiling away for decades and decades to support the foid and the kids she convinced him are his.

--- "oUr BuNdLe oF jOy hAs yOuR EyEs, dOeSn'T it sWeAtiE? We dOn'T eVeN nEeD A dNa tEsT, yOu TrUsT mE, dOn'T yOu, hOnEy?"
--- "yAssss mY QwEeEeEnNnN ! ! !"

 

[Reclusemaxxer]

you can't "own" a foid.

A Chad can impregnate lots of random foids
A beta male can be enslaved by a random foid

But there are practically no societies that enforce foid-ownership.

Marriage is the closest thing we got

 

[turbosperg]

Marriage is the closest thing we got

just take a look at the marriage laws. In marriage, the foid owns the man, not otherwise.

 

[wgm24]

Op is gibberish but I agree with what your saying and think it's bluepilled not to. All women want you to pay for their affection. It's just about how much you've convinced yourself that their affection means something

 

[Loner94]

Interesting

 

[HedonisticRecluse]

I am not interested in the intimacy experienced through participating in genuinely affectionate relationships, however, regardless of my personal desires, I think your assessment is incorrect.

As an involuntary celibate especially, I will never experience a bond birthed from sexual-love that does not involve a social contract of sorts. A prostitute does not provide for her client beyond what is implicated in the capitalistic agreement that has been arranged. When seeking out sex from a prostitute you are purchasing a service, in contrast to this, romantic copulation is obtained through the development of a commonwealth.

Love is nature's method to propagate.

The love you might receive from a prostitute is artificial in that it is a mere imitation of the love that occurs naturally.

This is just ignorant and you have to be seriously delusional to think 'love' is anything but mutual sexual attraction, in the past men raped, that is how other mammalian species copulated and how humans have always copulated. Females choosing is something specific to certain species of birds in special environments, not humans lol.

 

[BertStanton]

Go to Thailand of the phillipines pay a single mother 30
usd a day to be your gf she will be prolly cheat on ya though

 

[Deleted member 45822]

Didn’t read,COPE

 

[subhuman]

Didn’t read,COPE

ok thanks for bumping my thread

 

[Deleted member 45822]

Didn’t read fuck off and go back to licking cum out of an escorts axe wound

 

[Deleted member 45822]

ok thanks for bumping my thread

Just pay escorts bro