dunkerque

[nausea]

given that ww2 interests more than a few people here, this is the first thread which refers to a specific turning point

the q is : why hitler spared the allies here?

@commander_zoidberg

@Crustaciouse

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@BlackPill47

 

[uglylifematters]

unrelated but do you browse the main discussion page anymore?

 

[Crustaciouse]

I don't think that he knew how much force he would be fighting against on the west, his main priority at the time was fighting agains5 the eastern forces.

 

[Deleted member 776]

He didn't spare them so much as he was counting on that hopeless fat morphine addict Guring to use air power to squeeze out the Brits. As far as they were concerned the expeditionary force was trapped. They never expected the rescue that came. I'm also not sure that using the Panzers to try and roll the beachhead into the sea would have paid off either. The Germans had outfoxxed the French and British with manoeuvre warfare but there was no room for that on the beachhead at Dunkirk and they would have done so without air superiority.

 

[nausea]

He didn't spare them so much as he was counting on that hopeless fat morphine addict Guring to use air power to squeeze out the Brits. As far as they were concerned the expeditionary force was trapped. They never expected the rescue that came. I'm also not sure that using the Panzers to try and roll the beachhead into the sea would have paid off either. The Germans had outfoxxed the French and British with manoeuvre warfare but there was no room for that on the beachhead at Dunkirk and they would have done so without air superiority.

they could have exterminated the entire force there, it was like simple mass execution

it's probably a mistery unsolvable BUT the best hipothesys is that hitler wanted immediate peace with uk

 

[BlackPill47]

Thanks for the edit and tagging me, Nausea. kek

IMO, Adolf let the British escape as it was always his intention (as an Anglophile) to make peace with Britain. He made numerous peace offers in 1940-41 - even including pulling out of France and the Benelux and offering troops to protect Britain from Germany's own allies and the Soviets - as his only war goal was lebensraum in the east.

The great Rudolf Hess' mission to Scotland was to offer peace to King George VI through the Duke of Hamilton. Disgracefully, Hess was kept in the Tower of London and confined elsewhere until Nuremberg, where he was laughingly charged for 'crimes against peace', despite leaving Germany on a peace mission before Barbarossa and the supposed 'holocau$t'. Hess was kept in Spandau Prison for 41 years (21 of those on his own) until he was killed by an Allied guard in 1987, which was claimed to be a 'suicide'.

With the Phony War lasting from September 1939 to May 1940, there was a strong peace movement in Britain until the aerial bombings were escalated by the drunken warmonger Churchill leading to the Blitz, which fired up the British into total defiance. The British lost their Empire for Poland, which they had to let Stalin keep after the war. Churchill was a fraud, who needed to survive a war with American help to cement his place in history as anything other than a failure, despite the war being an utterly pyrrhic one for Britain, who finished the war bankrupted, on rations for ten years and it's Empire collapsing rapidly over the next 25 years. It was an unnecessary war.

 

[nausea]

Thanks for the edit and tagging me, Nausea. kek
IMO, Adolf let the British escape as it was always his intention (as an Anglophile) to make peace with Britain. He made numerous peace offers in 1940-41 - even including pulling out of France and the Benelux and offering troops to protect Britain from Germany's own allies and the Soviets - as his only war goal was lebensraum in the east.
The great Rudolf Hess' mission to Scotland was to offer peace to King George VI through the Duke of Hamilton. Disgracefully, Hess was kept in the Tower of London and confined elsewhere until Nuremberg, where he was laughingly charged for 'crimes against peace', despite leaving Germany on a peace mission before Barbarossa and the supposed 'holocau$t'. Hess was kept in Spandau Prison for 41 years (21 of those on his own) until he was killed by an Allied guard in 1987, which was claimed to be a 'suicide'.
With the Phony War lasting from September 1939 to May 1940, there was a strong peace movement in Britain until the aerial bombings were escalated by the drunken warmonger Churchill leading to the Blitz, which fired up the British into total defiance. The British lost their Empire for Poland, which they had to let Stalin keep after the war. Churchill was a fraud, who needed to survive a war with American help to cement his place in history as anything other than a failure, despite the war being an utterly pyrrhic one for Britain, who finished the war bankrupted, on rations for ten years and it's Empire collapsing rapidly over the next 25 years. It was an unnecessary war.

lol @commander_zoidberg

imho britain tried desperately to avoid the rise of a serious competitor in europe AND worldwide, they managed to do so in a pirric fashion truly, usa won and cold war started way before the end of ww2

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'crimes against peace'

jfl

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I don't think that he knew how much force he would be fighting against on the west, his main priority at the time was fighting agains5 the eastern forces.

elab?

 

[BlackPill47]

imho britain tried desperately to avoid the rise of a serious competitor in europe AND worldwide, they managed to do so in a pirric fashion truly, usa won and cold war started way before the end of ww2

Sure, but Europe wasn't really any of their business, with an overseas Empire (including colonies won from Germany at the end of WW1) to deal with. Germany should have been left to it's own devices on their 'manifest destiny' expansion eastwards. There's wouldn't have been a Cold War and tens of millions dead under communism in eastern Asia.

On the fall of France; the Germans drive to the Channel, sidestepping the Maginot Line and trapping the BEF and French forces in Belgium and northern France was a magnificent manoeuvre, although Adolf hadn't wanted the panzers to travel as far ahead as they did. He never expected that France would collapse within six weeks and right the wrongs of 1918-19. He got out the same train carriage as was used for the WW1 armistice and sat in the same seat as the French marshal, before walking out after the pre-amble to the terms. French troops morale was awful before war broke out and the country was run by a coalition of leftists.

Sadly, Germany's blitzkreig successes in France, along with the quick partition of Poland with the reds, and steamrolling Yugoslavia and Greece, led to Adolf's false confidence when turning his sights on the reds themselves. Added to that was seeing how well Finland could repel the reds with minimal losses in the Winter War of 1939-40.

 

[nausea]

the same train carriage

did you see the video? the EYES of that ger officer.....

 

[Deleted member 776]

IMO, Adolf let the British escape as it was always his intention (as an Anglophile) to make peace with Britain. He made numerous peace offers in 1940-41 - even including pulling out of France and the Benelux and offering troops to protect Britain from Germany's own allies and the Soviets - as his only war goal was lebensraum in the east.

The British would have been totally foolish to make peace with the Germans. They were merely trying to buy time, since 1936 the Germans had been saying they wanted peace while invading country after country against their binding international commitments. They declared war on Britain without the necessary naval power to defeat them. The Royal Navy was still powerful enough to maintain open shipping lanes to Britain and the Germans didn't plan to have a navy capable of doing so until later in the 1940's. Why would they have given them time and breathing room to do so? The shorter the war was the more the odds favoured Germany. The longer the war was the more it favoured Britain.

With the Phony War lasting from September 1939 to May 1940, there was a strong peace movement in Britain until the aerial bombings were escalated by the drunken warmonger Churchill leading to the Blitz, which fired up the British into total defiance. The British lost their Empire for Poland, which they had to let Stalin keep after the war. Churchill was a fraud, who needed to survive a war with American help to cement his place in history as anything other than a failure, despite the war being an utterly pyrrhic one for Britain, who finished the war bankrupted, on rations for ten years and it's Empire collapsing rapidly over the next 25 years. It was an unnecessary war.

The British empire was already a spent force in 1939. The army was little more than a colonial police force which had been trying to hold together the empire. An arrogant upper class who would listen to no one had allowed some of the empires most critical regions to fall into a precarious state. The Navy was the only one of the services ready for a war and even they were a truly spent force by the end of the war when compared to the US Navy. The strain of the war left the British to dependent on some of their 3rd world rabble troops as opposed to those from Britain and the dominions. In truth the British empire was doomed when we went to war with Germany the first time. We lost our empire for Belgium. We made a serious error with the triple entente, France and Russia were poor allies. The British should have waited for an Anglo-German war and dealt with the Kaiser like we dealt with Napoleon.

To me the whole thing just makes me angrier at the Germans. They are the reason we lost our empire because they invaded Belgium full well knowing it would bring us into the war even though they could have defeated France and Russia without doing so within a year. They didn't have to invade half of Europe or Poland. No one put a gun to their heads. They invaded the Soviet Union. Made a complete hash of it. Germany gets destroyed and half of Europe ends up under the thumb of Bolshevism. They declared war on the United States too. They chose to wage unrestricted submarine warfare. Because of them our empire collapsed probably 40 years earlier and we lost all our wealth to the Americans.

Sure, but Europe wasn't really any of their business, with an overseas Empire (including colonies won from Germany at the end of WW1) to deal with. Germany should have been left to it's own devices on their 'manifest destiny' expansion eastwards. There's wouldn't have been a Cold War and tens of millions dead under communism in eastern Asia.

By the 1940's because of the strain of the first world war and the depression. If the Germans had beaten the reds we would have seen a very serious naval threat to Britain by the late 1940's as well as the increasing threat of the Luftwaffe which was less severe during WW1. Not to mention many in power foresaw the advent of atomic weapons and research was already going on in France, Britain, Germany and the United States into atomic research. Either the Germans would control Europe entriely and have a strong grip on the northern Mediterranean threatening the shipping lanes to India and the Suez canal or the Germans would have failed and gifted the entire continent of Europe to the Bolsheviks. Either would have saved up a bigger problem.

I am a firm believer in the error of WW1 and to fight an Anglo-German war later but we were between a rock and a hard place when it comes to WW2.

 

[nausea]

spent force

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The shorter the war was the more the odds favoured Germany

especially in the east

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and research was already going on in France, Britain, Germany and the United States into atomic research.

I am offended

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I am a firm believer in the error of WW1 and to fight an Anglo-German war later but we were between a rock and a hard place when it comes to WW2.

elab?

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like we dealt with Napoleon.

OMG

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They declared war on the United States too.

but who?

 

[Deleted member 776]

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especially in the east

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I am offended

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elab?

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OMG

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but who?

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Worn out, fucked, shagged out.

Offended? Not an argument.

There was going to be an Anglo-German war eventually as Germany wanted to challenge Britain for its dominance and didn't even take the French all that seriously. Economically Germany was ahead of Britain but the British controlled the worlds shipping lanes and had a more secure network of global trade with the empire. Germany countered by attempting to build up its own naval forces and creating a large and powerful land army. Whatever would eventually set it off a war in Europe was certain between 1910-1930 at the rate things were going.

Hitler declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbour.

 

[nausea]

Offended? Not an argument.

you are joking now