Serious Draconian age of consent and rape/harassment laws are very counterproductive

[Mainländer]

Just think about it. If you commit a small crime such as small shoplifting, you get a light and brief punishment, whereas if you commit a serious crime like killing and torturing lots of people, your life is basically over. You'll either get killed or imprisoned forever, or at least for decades if you live in some cuckland such as Norway.

But that doesn't apply to rape/harassment and pedo/hebe/ephebophilia-related stuff. A minimal transgression is already enough to utterly ruin your life and get you raped/tortured/killed by whiteknights in prison.

That encourages people who can't control their urges to go all the way. Some guy who would otherwise be satisfied by just grabbing some foid's ass on the street and running away, or offering a young girl money for a kiss, will have the incentive to go all the way instead and try to kidnap, rape and kill one. Your life is over either way if you get caught nowadays.

The Josef Fritzl case makes me very frustrated in particular. Would Josef have gone all the way to build a dungeon under his house to keep his daughter captive if he lived in a society that punished rape and AoC related crime proportionally, like it does with everything else? He most probably would have chosen to just occasionally kiss and have sex with her instead of turning her into a prison rape slave.

Also worth of mentioning is how the banalization of rape contributes to people not taking cases that might be real seriously.

 

[Robtical]

That encourages people who can't control their urges to go all the way. Some guy who would otherwise be satisfied by just grabbing some foid's ass on the street and running away, or offering a young girl money for a kiss, will have the incentive to go all the way instead and try to kidnap, rape and kill one. Your life is over either way if you get caught nowadays.

High iq. It's their fault jb's get kidnapped and killed because of their cucked laws.

 

[Mainländer]

@Leucosticte

 

[TINMAN]

I would disagree with you, if our justice system wasn't so cucked.

I think the merit of the draconian laws is that they discourage small-medium transgressions, so only extreme outlier individuals will commit crimes.

That said. If a foid rapes a man, she just gets a slap on the wrist. Because a foid raping a man is considered a small crime. Even if she raped a child.

I seriously can't believe how retardedly lopsided our law system is. For every one woman incarcerated in prison, 10 men are incarcerated. The reason is not that women commit less crimes. They commit the same number of crimes. Just think about that. How women have a pussy license, so the law is more forgiving for them. If a man commits a crime, he would have a 90% chance of being acquitted for it if he simply had a vagina instead.

Even the remaining 10% of women who actually get sentenced have their punishment drastically reduced, to the point where it's basically meaningless.

 

[Mainländer]

I would disagree with you, if our justice system wasn't so cucked.

I think the merit of the draconian laws is that they discourage small-medium transgressions, so only extreme outlier individuals will commit crimes.

That said. If a foid rapes a man, she just gets a slap on the wrist. Because a foid raping a man is considered a small crime. Even if she raped a child.

I seriously can't believe how retardedly lopsided our law system is. For every one woman incarcerated in prison, 10 men are incarcerated. The reason is not that women commit less crimes. They commit the same number of crimes. Just think about that. How women have a pussy license, so the law is more forgiving for them.

Women shouldn't have rights and freedoms. They shouldn't be roaming the streets by themselves and having independent lives, working outside of the house, etc. That only generates problems, tons of them, and what you said is just another example of it.

 

[Rice Cel]

Moralfags incoming

 

[TINMAN]

Women shouldn't have rights and freedoms. They shouldn't be roaming the streets by themselves and having independent lives, working outside of the house, etc. That only generates problems, tons of them, and what you said is just another example of it.

I was more referring to the benefits of draconian laws in general. It would be the same if the law was punishing foids for being sluts. I literally don't give a shit about pedos.

If a foid got the same extreme punishment for giving a random guy a blowjob as she did for getting gangbanged by 50 guys, very few foids would give random blowjobs/sex for fear of extreme punishment. There might be a slight increase in foids getting gangbanged, but they were already a minority, and they will have to endure the punishment for their crime before they can do it again.

So, overall there are way less foids being sexually promiscuous, and the ones who do decide to be are impaired from doing so by being incarcerated and severely punished.

 

[Mainländer]

I was more referring to the benefits of draconian laws in general. It would be the same if the law was punishing foids for being sluts. I literally don't give a shit about pedos.

If a foid got the same extreme punishment for giving a random guy a blowjob as she did for getting gangbanged by 50 guys, very few foids would give random blowjobs/sex for fear of extreme punishment. There might be a slight increase in foids getting gangbanged, but they were already a minority, and they will have to endure the punishment for their crime before they can do it again.

So, overall there are way less foids being sexually promiscuous, and the ones who do decide to be are impaired from doing so by being incarcerated and severely punished.

But a foid kissing someone for example would very likely be deemed as less serious than if she fucked the guy. That's what I'm talking about.

If I went out now and offered a 13 yo non-virgin and sexually developed girl money for a kiss, I'd be arrested and charged with statutory rape, child prostitution, and perhaps even more stuff. Pretty much the same charges a guy who rapes a toddler gets.

I know you're a moralfag ("I don't care about pedos"), but please try to think rationally and not have your feelings interfere in your reasoning. Those laws aren't reasonable at all.

 

[Angry_runt]

I honestly couldn't care less if they raised the AOC to 30. What's it to me? Date rape laws as well, I don't get any dates so it would be fine by me if they jailed guys for hugging their date without express consent.

 

[Mainländer]

I honestly couldn't care less if they raised the AOC to 30. What's it to me? Date rape laws as well, I don't get any dates so it would be fine by me if they jailed guys for hugging their date without express consent.

Yeah, how high the AoC is doesn't matter much to an incel. But I just wish I could legally offer money to JBs for a kiss, since kissing JBs, a cornerstone of healthy romantic development, was an opportunity robbed from me due to my looks.

 

[StaroRavager]

High iq. It's their fault jb's get kidnapped and killed because of their cucked laws.

If the AoC was lowered, do you really think these guys could actually attract these hypothetically "former JB's"? If we're looking at this honestly, if this were to happen instead of statutory rape, they'd simply get hit with rape charges as I doubt even 3% of JB's would go for anyone who wants the AoC lowered as they most likely posses low SMV

 

[TINMAN]

But a foid kissing someone for example would very likely be deemed as less serious than if she fucked the guy. That's what I'm talking about.

If I went out now and offered a 13 yo non-virgin and sexually developed girl money for a kiss, I'd be arrested and charged with statutory rape, child prostitution, and perhaps even more stuff. Pretty much the same charges a guy who rapes a toddler gets.

I know you're a moralfag ("I don't care about pedos"), but please try to think rationally and not have your feelings interfere in your reasoning. Those laws aren't reasonable at all.

You are misunderstanding me. I am talking about a situation where a foid would be punished the same way pedos are. So a kiss is punished the same way as actually having sex.

Also, I'm not moralfagging. I hate foids, and at least 20-30% of them have sex before they are 14 anyways. I was contradicting your point that draconian laws are less effective than punishments proportional to the crime. Both sides have their merits and drawbacks.

I agree that the laws in place for pedos are unreasonable. The entire law system is unreasonable. Foids get sentenced 10% of the time compared to men, and they get way lighter punishments on top of that. It's fucking retarded, and nobody ever brings it up because of feminism. I'm even seeing articles about how the law system is unfair to foids.

Here's the worst part of it all to me. Foids that are pedos barely get punished. It's so fucking stupid that a pedo is punished based on whether they have a penis or a vagina. Everything is so fucking cucked.

 

[Mainländer]

You are misunderstanding me. I am talking about a situation where a foid would be punished the same way pedos are. So a kiss is punished the same way as actually having sex.

Also, I'm not moralfagging. I hate foids, and at least 20-30% of them have sex before they are 14 anyways. I was contradicting your point that draconian laws are less effective than punishments proportional to the crime. Both sides have their merits and drawbacks.

I agree that the laws in place for pedos are unreasonable. The entire law system is unreasonable. Foids get sentenced 10% of the time compared to men, and they get way lighter punishments on top of that. It's fucking retarded, and nobody ever brings it up because of feminism. I'm even seeing articles about how the law system is unfair to foids.

Well, the reason why foids get lighter penalties for pedophilia is because people know a guy fucking a girl is not the same as a girl fucking a guy. The laws simply don't match the biological reality of our species.

The solution is not legal equality but rather women going back to their roles and place in society.

 

[TINMAN]

Well, the reason why foids get lighter penalties for pedophilia is because people know a guy fucking a girl is not the same as a girl fucking a guy. The laws simply don't match the biological reality of our species.

The solution is not legal equality but rather women going back to their roles and place in society.

Maybe if equality could actually truly exist it would work. But it's simply impossible due to the nature of foids. They instinctually want to give up their autonomy to a strong, powerful, handsome, and fit man, because that's what they've evolved to be like. Most men also instinctually want to control the autonomy of foids.

Not to mention, foids don't want equality. They want all of the benefits of being a man, and all of the benefits of being a woman, without any of the downsides of either. This is clear from the behaviour and beliefs of second and third wave feminists.

 

[Robtical]

If the AoC was lowered, do you really think these guys could actually attract these hypothetically "former JB's"? If we're looking at this honestly, if this were to happen instead of statutory rape, they'd simply get hit with rape charges as I doubt even 3% of JB's would go for anyone who wants the AoC lowered as they most likely posses low SMV

We have to get rid of believing bogus rape accusations too.

 

[StaroRavager]

We have to get rid of believing bogus rape accusations too.

Yeah but a change in the AoC won’t do anything to help incel tier men

 

[Robtical]

Yeah but a change in the AoC won’t do anything to help incel tier men

By lowering it the very least sub6 men will stop going to jail and getting their lives ruined just for attempting. Most of the incels in jail were set up or lied about.

 

[StaroRavager]

By lowering it the very least sub6 men will stop going to jail and getting their lives ruined just for attempting. Most of the incels in jail were set up or lied about.

Ah yes, Chris Hansen was a crafty one. What gets me is that those poor bastards on the show were victims of entrapment, and on top of that hadn't technically committed a crime. Its sad what people will do for ratings

 

[singularitymaxx]

@Leucosticte

 

[tight&shiny-hotpants]

High IQ post although I dislike the conflating of rape and murder which as you say is a crime of passion. Although COP is defined as "sudden strong impulse" of murder why can't we have a sudden impulse of lust and therefore diminishing responsibility for rape?

As you say OP often male offenders panic and then either kill, imprison or enslave their female victims due to fear of legal repurcussions. Even where I live a man raped a 14 year old school girl (most likely her in shiny tights and a loli uniform as UK school girl outfits are highly sexualised). He then murdered her which is extreme; as this trend in rape and subsequent murder only increased due to advances in forensic DNA testing.
Police are more insistent on DNA harvesting subhuman male DNA by probing a rape victims vagina with a metal rod, an experience often described as as bad as the rape itself. Also more concern and attention is targeted towards the man, the woman herself is collateral.
Unfortunately when men realise this they murder their victim to close the 48 hour window, the time it takes her body to excrete his dna from her, whether she is alive or dead to stop her getting to police forensics pushing for the DNA harvesting. As most men don't have a spare basement or warehouse for temporary imprisonment or testing if stockholm syndrome works. Instead they murder and ditch their victims in a river (another way of hiding evidence) as water such as rain or submerged in a river destroys evidence.

I have a non-drastic solution and I had to step outside of myself to write the above based on empirical evidence and online facts.
When I fantasised over a developed, and what I know know was, a 16 year old girl, perfectly legal in the UK, it turned out she was Bulgarian. In Bulgaria the age of consent is a mere 14, there is a picture of the object of my, unreturned, affection on social media of her in a nightclub looking the sex at age 15. Alcohol is still 18 but love making at 14 is allowed.
I think teen escorts are loop-hole legal in eastern europe and cash for sex is commonplace. We even imported this to the UK as 95% of "escorts" blindly promoted by the ignorant, hypocritical liberal media such as VICE, BBC, METRO and SALON are eastern european nationals and "well-seasoned" (hit the wall) long before they step foot on-shore in the UK as sex workers.So yeah the answer is teen prostitutes from eastern europe there I said it.
This is why they liberals spend more time with low-iq, prescripted ad-hominem, NPC attacks against us. They'd lose any debate so they get big brother Googe/YouTube/Paypal to continue to block, censor, edit search engine optimisation, lock up funds knowing full well they'd lose on an uninterrupted playing field.

 

[Mainländer]

High IQ post although I dislike the conflating of rape and murder which as you say is a crime of passion. Although COP is defined as "sudden strong impulse" of murder why can't we have a sudden impulse of lust and therefore diminishing responsibility for rape?

As you say OP often male offenders panic and then either kill, imprison or enslave their female victims due to fear of legal repurcussions. Even where I live a man raped a 14 year old school girl (most likely her in shiny tights and a loli uniform as UK school girl outfits are highly sexualised). He then murdered her which is extreme; as this trend in rape and subsequent murder only increased due to advances in forensic DNA testing.
Police are more insistent on DNA harvesting subhuman male DNA by probing a rape victims vagina with a metal rod, an experience often described as as bad as the rape itself. Also more concern and attention is targeted towards the man, the woman herself is collateral.
Unfortunately when men realise this they murder their victim to close the 48 hour window, the time it takes her body to excrete his dna from her, whether she is alive or dead to stop her getting to police forensics pushing for the DNA harvesting. As most men don't have a spare basement or warehouse for temporary imprisonment or testing if stockholm syndrome works. Instead they murder and ditch their victims in a river (another way of hiding evidence) as water such as rain or submerged in a river destroys evidence.

I have a non-drastic solution and I had to step outside of myself to write the above based on empirical evidence and online facts.
When I fantasised over a developed, and what I know know was, a 16 year old girl, perfectly legal in the UK, it turned out she was Bulgarian. In Bulgaria the age of consent is a mere 14, there is a picture of the object of my, unreturned, affection on social media of her in a nightclub looking the sex at age 15. Alcohol is still 18 but love making at 14 is allowed.
I think teen escorts are loop-hole legal in eastern europe and cash for sex is commonplace. We even imported this to the UK as 95% of "escorts" blindly promoted by the ignorant, hypocritical liberal media such as VICE, BBC, METRO and SALON are eastern european nationals and "well-seasoned" (hit the wall) long before they step foot on-shore in the UK as sex workers.So yeah the answer is teen prostitutes from eastern europe there I said it.
This is why they liberals spend more time with low-iq, prescripted ad-hominem, NPC attacks against us. They'd lose any debate so they get big brother Googe/YouTube/Paypal to continue to block, censor, edit search engine optimisation, lock up funds knowing full well they'd lose on an uninterrupted playing field.

I agree with your solution. In my Brazilian reality, I'd say, they don't even have to touch the 14 age of consent, it's not that bad; but let me fuck 14 yo prostitutes or at least be able to legally offer money to them for a kiss. It's brutally unjust that my agematched Chad can skullfuck a 14 yo legally and I can't offer 50 bucks to kiss one, under the penalty of several different laws that would probably amount to like 10 years in prison (which in Brazil I'd most likely not even survive).

Age of prostitution must match age of consent and the law about "not facilitating prostitution" (that makes offering girls money for kisses and sex illegal - yeah, some brilliant feminist equated kissing with sex legally when it comes to rape and statutory rape) must be done away with because it's a relic of other, much puritan times.

 

[Deleted member 3385]

age of consent laws are there just to punish ugly males, under age girls regularly sleep with males over 18 but they are chads so nothing is done about it.

 

[Mainländer]

age of consent laws are there just to punish ugly males, under age girls regularly sleep with males over 18 but they are chads so nothing is done about it.

Truth. I have already mentioned this several times, I have two Chadlite friends, one of them is one year younger than me (29 now) and the other is like 25; the first one has fucked several 14-18 JBs in the last years; the latter has kissed a fucking 12 year old girl just last year or so

Meanwhile I can't even talk about finding them attractive without IT wanting me gelded, even though I've said several times I'm not crazy enough to act on this attraction.

 

[Deleted member 265]

age of consent laws are there just to punish ugly males, under age girls regularly sleep with males over 18 but they are chads so nothing is done about it.

 

[Robtical]

It's brutally unjust that my agematched Chad can skullfuck a 14 yo legally and I can't offer 50 bucks to kiss one, under the penalty of several different laws that would probably amount to like 10 years in prison (which in Brazil I'd most likely not even survive).

There's ways you can work around it. Like you can fuck the 14 year old hooker and lie about not knowing she's a hooker. There's no way she can prove you paid her either.

 

[Mainländer]

There's ways you can work around it. Like you can fuck the 14 year old hooker and lie about not knowing she's a hooker. There's no way she can prove you paid her either.

I have a friend who's a lawyer and he has told me that in cases like that you can't declare ignorance of the law or the circumstances.

For example, if I approached a self-reportedly 16 years old girl and kissed her, but turns out she lied and she's actually 13 (under AoC in Brazil) and I somehow get reported on it, I will get arrested for statutory rape regardless.

All laws are against men and pro women. Multiply that by 10000 if the man is an adult and the woman is underage.

 

[Robtical]

I have a friend who's a lawyer and he has told me that in cases like that you can't declare ignorance of the law or the circumstances.

For example, if I approached a self-reportedly 16 years old girl and kissed her, but turns out she lied and she's actually 13 (under AoC in Brazil) and I somehow get reported on it, I will get arrested for statutory rape regardless.

All laws are against men and pro women. Multiply that by 10000 if the man is an adult and the woman is underage.

But there's no way she can prove you paid her or knew she was a hooker. You might of thought she was a regular 14 year old who liked you and wanted to have sex.

 

[Mainländer]

But there's no way she can prove you paid her or knew she was a hooker. You might of thought she was a regular 14 year old who liked you and wanted to have sex.

I could try that, but chances are, I'd offer the money, she'd report me, her word would trump mine in court and I'd be fucked.

I don't trust the judicial system at all to judge a case that includes me x an underage girl fairly. I avoid that shit like the devil.

 

[Robtical]

I could try that, but chances are, I'd offer the money, she'd report me, her word would trump mine in court and I'd be fucked.

Why would she want to go through the trouble of reporting you if she's just a hooker? You can pick her up in a car then drop her off and never see her again.

I don't trust the judicial system at all to judge a case that includes me x an underage girl fairly. I avoid that shit like the devil.

The way men are treated in courts needs to change. Fuck the cucked system.

 

[Mainländer]

Why would she want to go through the trouble of reporting you if she's just a hooker? You can pick her up in a car then drop her off and never see her again.

Well, I hear about underage prostitutes in Brazil a lot, but I guess they're all in some countryside northeast part of the country or something, because here in the south I've never ever seen them or heard someone talking about them.

Also I don't drive, so even if I wanted to really go for it (which I don't tbh - too much risk), my logistics would be fucked. Those must stay in roads and whatnot.

 

[Robtical]

Also I don't drive, so even if I wanted to really go for it (which I don't tbh - too much risk), my logistics would be fucked. Those must stay in roads and whatnot.

Some people from the US travel all the way to brazil for that and you almost have it in your backyard with just a ride away. I think if you wanted jb's enough you probably would figure out a way to do it by now.

 

[Mainländer]

Some people from the US travel all the way to brazil for that and you almost have it in your backyard with just a ride away. I think if you wanted jb's enough you probably would figure out a way to do it by now.

My lust for JBs is neutralized by my - just as high - circumspection.

I'm very unwilling to take serious risks tbh. Brazilian jail is not an option, I'd have to do a rushed rope

If it were to do something crazy, Germany would have been better tbh. WAY better-looking girls and milder jails. But even so I decided not to.

I really want to fuck and kiss prime girls but I'm not willing to risk my freedom for it. That's also why I don't access CP.

 

[Robtical]

My lust for JBs is neutralized by my - just as high - circumspection.

I'm very unwilling to take serious risks tbh. Brazilian jail is not an option, I'd have to do a rushed rope

If it were to do something crazy, Germany would have been better tbh. WAY better-looking girls and milder jails. But even so I decided not to.

I really want to fuck and kiss prime girls but I'm not willing to risk my freedom for it. That's also why I don't access CP.

We. Need. To. Change. The. Cucked. Laws.