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This sentence is so true

I just listened to Ibn Fadlan's journey to The Saqlaba for preaching Islam, he met the vikings there.
When he saw them from a distance he was amazed, they were true chads. They had tall strong bodies, they were white and blond. Ibn Fadlan said he has never seen guys like them before and he decided to interact with them.

BUT, Ibn Fadlan got shocked when he interacted with them, he said that they are the most dirty and disgusting creatures of Allah.
they were so dirty, no personal hygiene, no privacy (they were having sex in puplic lol).

This is an example of being a Chad doesn't mean that you are good at all, and being sub5 doesn't mean that you are bad or disgusting.
 
Sounds about right if I'm being honest as a Swedishcel.
 

This is an example of being a Chad doesn't mean that you are good at all, and being sub5 doesn't mean that you are bad or disgusting.
Disgust is relative, beauty is objective

People will still want to be around the low inhib Viking chads rather than the truecel Arab no matter how clean he is
 
People will still want to be around the low inhib Viking chads rather than the truecel Arab no matter how clean he is
That is true tbh :feelsbadman:
 
This sentence is so true

I just listened to Ibn Fadlan's journey to The Saqlaba for preaching Islam, he met the vikings there.
When he saw them from a distance he was amazed, they were true chads. They had tall strong bodies, they were white and blond. Ibn Fadlan said he has never seen guys like them before and he decided to interact with them.

BUT, Ibn Fadlan got shocked when he interacted with them, he said that they are the most dirty and disgusting creatures of Allah.
they were so dirty, no personal hygiene, no privacy (they were having sex in puplic lol).

This is an example of being a Chad doesn't mean that you are good at all, and being sub5 doesn't mean that you are bad or disgusting.
Checks out, what I've heard of the nords from Vinland Saga is that they are some off-putting people, at least back in the day
 
they are some off-putting people, at least back in the day
They were dirty niggas
they didn't deserve to be chads
 
>swedish
>cel
Pick one, Chad
Despite being 100% Swedish I come from a Dalit-tier lineage. A relative of mine did some genealogy research and found out that our ancestors were all either poor, homeless, asylum cases, petty criminals or some combination of those things. Literally going back hundreds of years with only those kinds of people among our ancestry. I am pretty much the Swedish equivalent to a Dalit.
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I would describe myself as the spitting image of Caius Tiddlus from The Twelve Tasks of Asterix. I am a shortcel, dickcel, facecel, voicecel, mentalcel and I have the worst gamer neck in the world. I guess the only thing that could really top it off is if I go bald as well, and I don't think that's impossible for me. There is nothing "aryan" about me except the fact that I have blue eyes.
 
Despite being 100% Swedish I come from a Dalit-tier lineage. A relative of mine did some genealogy research and found out that our ancestors were all either poor, homeless, asylum cases, petty criminals or some combination of those things. Literally going back hundreds of years with only those kinds of people among our ancestry. I am pretty much the Swedish equivalent to a Dalit.
12-tasks-asterix-screen.jpg

I would describe myself as the spitting image of Caius Tiddlus from The Twelve Tasks of Asterix. I am a shortcel, dickcel, facecel, voicecel, mentalcel and I have the worst gamer neck in the world. I guess the only thing that could really top it off is if I go bald as well, and I don't think that's impossible for me. There is nothing "aryan" about me except the fact that I have blue eyes.
I shouldn't really present myself as "Swedishcel". A "Not Human"cel would be more accurate because I'm such a truecel that I have never considered myself human or even subhuman, let alone Swedish. I feel almost nothing but disdain for my heritage and the people who inhabit my region. But that is a topic for its own thread, it's neither here nor there.
 
Despite being 100% Swedish I come from a Dalit-tier lineage. A relative of mine did some genealogy research and found out that our ancestors were all either poor, homeless, asylum cases, petty criminals or some combination of those things. Literally going back hundreds of years with only those kinds of people among our ancestry. I am pretty much the Swedish equivalent to a Dalit.
12-tasks-asterix-screen.jpg

I would describe myself as the spitting image of Caius Tiddlus from The Twelve Tasks of Asterix. I am a shortcel, dickcel, facecel, voicecel, mentalcel and I have the worst gamer neck in the world. I guess the only thing that could really top it off is if I go bald as well, and I don't think that's impossible for me. There is nothing "aryan" about me except the fact that I have blue eyes.
:giga::giga::giga: BRUTAL

I shouldn't really present myself as "Swedishcel". A "Not Human"cel would be more accurate because I'm such a truecel that I have never considered myself human or even subhuman, let alone Swedish. I feel almost nothing but disdain for my heritage and the people who inhabit my region. But that is a topic for its own thread, it's neither here nor there.
Very relatable, I feel no connection to my country or people at all either. It's like I am not part of it. On top of that people here even assume I am a foreigner, I even get asked where I learned my native language, like I am a migrant. I just can not fit in here, it is impossible. Honestly, it baffles me that the average person even exists. How do they live, what do they do all day? I can not make sense of it. I mean, I can imagine them going to their job, eating food etc, but that's it? Like, do they do anything else? I feel like I am outside time, just watching stuff happen, while they are inside time. Idk if that makes sense.
 
Very relatable, I feel no connection to my country or people at all either. It's like I am not part of it. On top of that people here even assume I am a foreigner, I even get asked where I learned my native language, like I am a migrant.
I also got asked that once. It's mostly because I'm a speechcel/languagecel though. People can see that I'm Swedish, but they give me a very particular look of disgust, since they thought that hobbit-like freaks like me had already been made completely extinct. I do feel like the very last of my kind whenever I'm walking around outside.
I just can not fit in here, it is impossible. Honestly, it baffles me that the average person even exists. How do they live, what do they do all day? I can not make sense of it. I mean, I can imagine them going to their job, eating food etc, but that's it? Like, do they do anything else?
How normgroids get through the day is beyond me, since they have absolutely no interests, the only things they get up to is animalistic nonsense.
I feel like I am outside time, just watching stuff happen, while they are inside time. Idk if that makes sense.
It does get extremely isolating. Even if you talk to normies there's just nothing going on beyond their eyes, or if there is, it's always a cuckoo's nest of evil garbage. More often than not it feels like their eyes even lack reflections, which adds to their uncanny doll-like expressions even more.

To be honest, I think that loneliness is absolute and a fact of life, even among "conscious"/"schizo" people (or however you want to call non-NPCs). It is impossible for two individuals to truly get to know each other, even if they really wanted to.

No matter how much they would talk or try to communicate, all they would ever do is develop increasingly elaborate ideas of what the other person is like in their heads, and those ideas will always be completely different from what that other person is actually like. Communication and the capacity people have to understand each other is simply too limited.

That's why love, whether romantic or platonic, does not exist in my opinion. Having a true understand of each other is quite simply a prerequisite to true love, because otherwise you will only ever love the idea of someone you built up in your head, it will never be the real person.

For humans to ever truly understand each other it would necessitate something like the Human Instrumentality Project, which is from the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. I bring it up as an example because it is one of the more popular depictions of the concept I'm about to explain. Basically, the minds of humans would be fused. In the original NGE series this is depicted as having solved life or similar as every human on Earth somehow miraculously got along, but I think that is only one of the four possible outcomes I think there could be. I will list them all here:

1. The result would be something like Nozick’s Experience Machine or the Infinite Tsukuyomi (everyone gets along, life is solved basically). It is important to note that the promise of something like this (or result 3) in real life through the means of something like this most likely would have a nefarious angle to it, that being to enslave people and gain power. That is whag both the Human Instrumentality Project and the Infinite Tsukuyomi was about after all, if you've seen those shows. A real life counterpart to those fictional ideas would be something like this:

2. All humans truly understanding eachother would bring about a chaotic hellscape of proportions far beyond our imagination. Cosmic horror of the highest order. Something like the Philosopher’s Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist. In other words, we should be grateful that we will never get to understand the abomination that is a neurotypical's mind, or god forbid the cuckoo's nest that is a foid's mind.

3. All humans truly understanding eachother would end the suffering humans bring eachother. Humanity would become a superbeing fit to uncover the secrets of the universe in record time.

4. Something inbetween 2 and 3. Things would only be different, not better or worse. It would be a lateral move. People understand each other, but nobody gets along any better or worse. Some might prefer this, but I think it would practically make us a new species and set us back billions of years to acclimate to this change, so it would not be worth it.

In my opinion the second result would be the most likely followed by the fourth and third results. The first result would be the most unlikely, and I will explain why in depth below:

Many people seem to believe that loneliness is some profound thing and that solving it would solve life, but I have come to believe that's not the case. Loneliness might be a deep pain, but it's not any more profound than an elbow scratch. It's just a pain we somehow have, it's probably an old survival mechanism of some kind. It would be nice to be without it, but the general idea that ending pain and maximising pleasure is a misdiagnosed cure for the human condition. It would be nice to live without pain and lack of pleasure, but that would not make life complete.

The reason for that is because it doesn't look far enough, it ignores the fact that we have consciousness. The way I see it to be conscious is to seek, quite simply. As long as a conscious person doesn't know everything there is to know about life and the universe, or "the Truth", if you will. As long as he doesn't know the truth he will feel unrest, no matter how pleasure he has in his life. The silver lining to that is that everyone is equally equipped to seek the truth in life, no matter if they are an incel or worse. That is the cope that keeps the gun out of my hands at least, so to speak.

I will also say that I've spoken about my above ideas on Incels.is before, and that they seem to be extremely unpopular. Every response I've gotten to this is someone calling me a dunce that is "objectively incorrect" or something to that effect. People just do not want to ask themselves whether love as we know it is even real. I suppose that's because if your average waifufag/waifu-worshipper comes to the same conclusion as me they will find themselves in a bigger hell than the one they were already in. Not only are they without their dear waifu, they are also without the possibility of ever loving or being loved by their waifu, or all alone in the universe in other words. That is if they can't see the the silver lining I was trying to point out, of course.

I suppose that another way of looking at this could be that eradicating consciousness would be the solution to life, since it could be argued to be a mental illness in the way that it brings us eternal unrest, but to me losing concsiousness would be the same as dying.
 
2. All humans truly understanding eachother would bring about a chaotic hellscape of proportions far beyond our imagination. Cosmic horror of the highest order. Something like the Philosopher’s Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist. In other words, we should be grateful that we will never get to understand the abomination that is a neurotypical's mind, or god forbid the cuckoo's nest that is a foid's mind.
For this one I forgot to mention that you would most likely find out that the even the people you might have been interested in most likely wouldn't be particularly interesting either. Survival instincts is what makes us believe that humans are interesting even though they are in actuality very mundane. There ought to be more interesting things in the universe than us, it's just that they currently lie beyond our comprehension. Since coming to these conclusions I am far less interested in both myself and others than I once were. @GeckoBus
 
I also got asked that once. It's mostly because I'm a speechcel/languagecel though. People can see that I'm Swedish, but they give me a very particular look of disgust, since they thought that hobbit-like freaks like me had already been made completely extinct. I do feel like the very last of my kind whenever I'm walking around outside.

How normgroids get through the day is beyond me, since they have absolutely no interests, the only things they get up to is animalistic nonsense.

It does get extremely isolating. Even if you talk to normies there's just nothing going on beyond their eyes, or if there is, it's always a cuckoo's nest of evil garbage. More often than not it feels like their eyes even lack reflections, which adds to their uncanny doll-like expressions even more.

To be honest, I think that loneliness is absolute and a fact of life, even among "conscious"/"schizo" people (or however you want to call non-NPCs). It is impossible for two individuals to truly get to know each other, even if they really wanted to.

No matter how much they would talk or try to communicate, all they would ever do is develop increasingly elaborate ideas of what the other person is like in their heads, and those ideas will always be completely different from what that other person is actually like. Communication and the capacity people have to understand each other is simply too limited.

That's why love, whether romantic or platonic, does not exist in my opinion. Having a true understand of each other is quite simply a prerequisite to true love, because otherwise you will only ever love the idea of someone you built up in your head, it will never be the real person.

For humans to ever truly understand each other it would necessitate something like the Human Instrumentality Project, which is from the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. I bring it up as an example because it is one of the more popular depictions of the concept I'm about to explain. Basically, the minds of humans would be fused. In the original NGE series this is depicted as having solved life or similar as every human on Earth somehow miraculously got along, but I think that is only one of the four possible outcomes I think there could be. I will list them all here:

1. The result would be something like Nozick’s Experience Machine or the Infinite Tsukuyomi (everyone gets along, life is solved basically). It is important to note that the promise of something like this (or result 3) in real life through the means of something like this most likely would have a nefarious angle to it, that being to enslave people and gain power. That is whag both the Human Instrumentality Project and the Infinite Tsukuyomi was about after all, if you've seen those shows. A real life counterpart to those fictional ideas would be something like this:

2. All humans truly understanding eachother would bring about a chaotic hellscape of proportions far beyond our imagination. Cosmic horror of the highest order. Something like the Philosopher’s Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist. In other words, we should be grateful that we will never get to understand the abomination that is a neurotypical's mind, or god forbid the cuckoo's nest that is a foid's mind.

3. All humans truly understanding eachother would end the suffering humans bring eachother. Humanity would become a superbeing fit to uncover the secrets of the universe in record time.

4. Something inbetween 2 and 3. Things would only be different, not better or worse. It would be a lateral move. People understand each other, but nobody gets along any better or worse. Some might prefer this, but I think it would practically make us a new species and set us back billions of years to acclimate to this change, so it would not be worth it.

In my opinion the second result would be the most likely followed by the fourth and third results. The first result would be the most unlikely, and I will explain why in depth below:

Many people seem to believe that loneliness is some profound thing and that solving it would solve life, but I have come to believe that's not the case. Loneliness might be a deep pain, but it's not any more profound than an elbow scratch. It's just a pain we somehow have, it's probably an old survival mechanism of some kind. It would be nice to be without it, but the general idea that ending pain and maximising pleasure is a misdiagnosed cure for the human condition. It would be nice to live without pain and lack of pleasure, but that would not make life complete.

The reason for that is because it doesn't look far enough, it ignores the fact that we have consciousness. The way I see it to be conscious is to seek, quite simply. As long as a conscious person doesn't know everything there is to know about life and the universe, or "the Truth", if you will. As long as he doesn't know the truth he will feel unrest, no matter how pleasure he has in his life. The silver lining to that is that everyone is equally equipped to seek the truth in life, no matter if they are an incel or worse. That is the cope that keeps the gun out of my hands at least, so to speak.

I will also say that I've spoken about my above ideas on Incels.is before, and that they seem to be extremely unpopular. Every response I've gotten to this is someone calling me a dunce that is "objectively incorrect" or something to that effect. People just do not want to ask themselves whether love as we know it is even real. I suppose that's because if your average waifufag/waifu-worshipper comes to the same conclusion as me they will find themselves in a bigger hell than the one they were already in. Not only are they without their dear waifu, they are also without the possibility of ever loving or being loved by their waifu, or all alone in the universe in other words. That is if they can't see the the silver lining I was trying to point out, of course.

I suppose that another way of looking at this could be that eradicating consciousness would be the solution to life, since it could be argued to be a mental illness in the way that it brings us eternal unrest, but to me losing concsiousness would be the same as dying.
For this one I forgot to mention that you would most likely find out that the even the people you might have been interested in most likely wouldn't be particularly interesting either. Survival instincts is what makes us believe that humans are interesting even though they are in actuality very mundane. There ought to be more interesting things in the universe than us, it's just that they currently lie beyond our comprehension. Since coming to these conclusions I am far less interested in both myself and others than I once were. @GeckoBus
Very interesting thoughts, made me think about stuff. Bible verses come to mind, like Jeremiah 17:9 (NIV) [1], which states: "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

About what you said that you can never know another person - I think some religious traditions actually have that. In orthodox christianity, if im not mistaken, they believe that the divine essence AND the human essence are impenetrable mysteries, since man is made in gods image. In this worldview, you can only know something, like god, by interacting with its operations or actions, then infer from the operations to the person, but never to the essence. We know god through his uncreated energies, but never the essence of god.

Of course this also makes self-knowledge very difficult and the only remaining thing then is submission and humility - "take every thought captive in christ" and so on.

About things being mundane that you would think of as dramatic or interesting: It even applies to violence. After watching gore videos for a while, I began to wonder if the "damage" done by these videos is not that they are shocking or god forbid "traumatizing" (they really arent) but rather that it exposes violence as something very ordinary. In movies, people die for minutes, blood splatters in buckets, there are torrents of blood flowing everywhere.

But real violence does not have a soundtrack. And the human body doesnt even contain that much blood. So instead of a dramatic 20 minute showdown with the victim begging for their life, it's usually just some monkey jibber jabber and then the pointy bit of a pickaxe comes out of someones forehead, and they are immediately dead. There is no screaming most of the time, no indication of great suffering. Most violence is mundane, ordinary. And that seems to me is the damaging part. Fear of death and violence are big part of most peoples identity. When you are exposed to it, that reduces drastically. I sometimes watch nurse testimonies of nurses that assist the dying or work in ER, and they say death isnt bad and most deaths are peaceful and predictable.

This weird "never meet your heroes" moment of disilusionment when it comes to death or violence, it happens with everything. You mentioned loneliness. It probably applies to everything, gaining wealth, loosing wealth, sex, starting a family. I sometimes call it holy grail syndrome, people think if they just fix this one thing then all is well. And they ignore that they got what they wanted 1000 times before and it did nothing. As a child you wanted 5 bucks to buy sweets. Now you have 500 bucks and you dont even want sweets anymore, you are disgusted with yourself when you munch them.

I was briefly homeless years ago and going in and out of homelessness with awareness of this made me directly experience that it doesnt matter what you gain or loose, you just adopt a new baseline. You get used to not having fridge or fresh laundry. And when you leave homelessness you get used to the opposite again. I lost standards, suddenly I had standards again. For months I didnt have a fridge and didn care. A few months into having fridge I found myself feeling miffed because my food wasnt cold enough. In people management, they actually eploit these things by applying change curve modeling to customers and employees, they know people will just accept new conditions you set for them. Kinda insane.

One last thing about this:


No matter how much they would talk or try to communicate, all they would ever do is develop increasingly elaborate ideas of what the other person is like in their heads, and those ideas will always be completely different from what that other person is actually like. Communication and the capacity people have to understand each other is simply too limited.
I think true understanding of another would probably destroy both parties, on existential level, they would melt together and their identity would be destroyed. Kinda like nirvana, but if nirvana was another person.

I suppose that another way of looking at this could be that eradicating consciousness would be the solution to life, since it could be argued to be a mental illness in the way that it brings us eternal unrest, but to me losing concsiousness would be the same as dying.
you touch on it here - total knowledge would mean end of motion, change, all things would be obvious as they are, there would be no time in this state, no "you" - so in a sense, you need to be limited in a way to even have experience and identity, you need to be perpetually incomplete, perpetually longing. And this is again something found in ancient texts, like in the neo-platonists or even in orthodox christianity, where you can never achieve peace in god, only infinitely ascend into him without ever achieving union (that would be blasphemy). So heaven = infinite ascend into god in good way and hell is the same thing, but the experience is bad.

I will also say that I've spoken about my above ideas on Incels.is before, and that they seem to be extremely unpopular. Every response I've gotten to this is someone calling me a dunce that is "objectively incorrect" or something to that effect. People just do not want to ask themselves whether love as we know it is even real. I suppose that's because if your average waifufag/waifu-worshipper comes to the same conclusion as me they will find themselves in a bigger hell than the one they were already in. Not only are they without their dear waifu, they are also without the possibility of ever loving or being loved by their waifu, or all alone in the universe in other words. That is if they can't see the the silver lining I was trying to point out, of course.

Well this giga introspective skepticak view where you atomize every word, concept to the point where even your sense of self becomes shakey is like 100 levels above the stated purpose of this forum. So its no surprise someone isnt willing to engage with it. Well, structurally they ARE engaging with it withotu realizing - just replace their desires, stated goals with a feeling of seeking transcendence, in some existential sense. The woman is the thing that "ontologically" (i dont like using these words) completes the male, who is incomplete himself. Just like in my orthodox christian example, the man can never become one with the woman, she is like god, he is like the sinner attaining to his god.

His identity is always co-dependent on her existence. She is uncreatd, he is created, the twain shant ever mingle. Its just that instead of identifying the existential object of desire with something more abstract like you, with your pursuit of knowledge, they identify it with the woman, what the woman represents in their mind: Stillness, completion, homeostasis, mystical union.

So in that sense they are like us, they are identical to us. You are only getting backlash because your jargon is not theirs, but they desire a similiar or even the same thing as you. They want to surrender to the holy womb, which to them represents the universal salvation, and you want to surrender to knowledge, which you see as synomous with unviersal salvation.


For this one I forgot to mention that you would most likely find out that the even the people you might have been interested in most likely wouldn't be particularly interesting either. Survival instincts is what makes us believe that humans are interesting even though they are in actuality very mundane. There ought to be more interesting things in the universe than us, it's just that they currently lie beyond our comprehension. Since coming to these conclusions I am far less interested in both myself and others than I once were. @
Even this can be translated into how they think. So you say, you are less interestd in yourself and others once you began focusing on these abstract universals that encompass everything and make yourself seem small in comparison. But remember, "god is a woman" yada yada - most men self-diminish, engage in performative public self-lashing, they loathe themselves, groan etc to signal to society they are lesser-thans compared to the women whos favor they are trying to solicity. So in a weird way, they do also reject themselves and others (other men). This is why in the data we have, relationship breakups and divorce hit men harder than women. The man is existentially molded to the woman to the point where he has no sense of self. So loosing her kills him.

You just took this a step further and recognized that woman is just an encoded symbol for an existential need and then you worship the source directly, instead of the proxy-stand-in that women represent for men.
 
Honestly, it baffles me that the average person even exists. How do they live, what do they do all day?
The average person is having sex every 4 days.
 

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