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Discussion Does "incel" mean "involuntary celibate" or "being a failure at everything (including mating)"?

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Initially, "incel" meant "involuntary celibate" : someone who wants to be in a relationship (or at least get laid) but can't. That's it.

Today, it means "being a subhuman who fails at everything and is universally ostracized".

Why did that change in meaning happen.
 
both nigger
best of both worlds
 
victim mentality

half the incels on here saying theyre shit at everything probably arent
 
victim mentality

half the incels on here saying theyre shit at everything probably arent
not really a victim mentality. i'd say more of an insecurity.
 
not really a victim mentality. i'd say more of an insecurity.
Please elab. Insecurity is also a foid idea ...
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No, I mean even incels see themselves that way. Look at how many "I am the biggest subhuman piece of trash" threads there are on this forum
 
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The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
The two are not mutually exclusive.
No. But it seems the meaning has expanded over time to include failure at everything and not only failing to get laid.

Why is that? Why does "failing to get laid" should automatically imply "failure at everything"?
 
Initially, "incel" meant "involuntary celibate" : someone who wants to be in a relationship (or at least get laid) but can't. That's it.

Today, it means "being a subhuman who fails at everything and is universally ostracized".

Why did that change in meaning happen.
Being an incel gives you more problems then just getting laid it also is about how people treat you
 
I guess it means both? Sometimes one, sometimes the other.

And also..why the fuck does everyone has a purple hat on?
 
No. But it seems the meaning has expanded over time to include failure at everything and not only failing to get laid.

Why is that? Why does "failing to get laid" should automatically imply "failure at everything"?
Every subhuman is an incel by your definition since they failed everything including romantic life

Not every incel is a subhuman since they're successful in something.

I think it's a fallacy of generalisation made by depressed users who are subhumans and tend to be the most active in the forum.
 
I think it's a fallacy of generalisation made by depressed users who are subhumans and tend to be the most active in the forum.
I think so too. But I wanted to see if someone else would say it.
 
Every subhuman is an incel by your definition since they failed everything including romantic life

Not every incel is a subhuman since they're successful in something.

I think it's a fallacy of generalisation made by depressed users who are subhumans and tend to be the most active in the forum.
Makes sense.
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Ohhh..yeah..I almost forgot..

I saw how it goes over there firsthand when I was in college. My roomate felt bad for me and invited me to his hometown because I had nowhere to go. Th[UWSL]ey made me dress up as a dwarf Mahatma Gandhi and we went to a neighborhood Halloween party where t[/UWSL][UWSL]here were little idiots wearing superhero costumes. I go[/UWSL][UWSL]t laughed at by high school girls. [/UWSL]

[UWSL]My halloween memories of America.. And also yet another moment where I had the realisation that ITS OVER ![/UWSL]
 
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It means involuntarily celibate but personally I'm a failure at everything else too
 
As a gigatrucel, it is only natural for me to be a failure in every other facet of my life
 
I've never touched a foid.
 
truth be told, If I wasn't braindead then I wouldn't spend nearly as much time on the internet.
 
truth be told, If I wasn't braindead then I wouldn't spend nearly as much time on the internet.
Actually it's not exactly true that we Incels are failures at everything, it's the depression that makes us useless. I mean, you are on the internet talking to us, right? Many folks can't even figure out how thread posts work on Incels or how to even post, let alone play a video game that has strategy involved. No matter how much you teach some people, if they didn't practice it, they can't do it.

Depression does eat away at cognative abilities. Piece by piece.
 
It means the former. The latter is just a consequence.
 
It means you're involuntarily celibate and that's all. It just so happens being ugly/short correlates both with inceldom and being unsuccessful at things because you lack confidence from being treated poorly by your peers early in life and lack the necessary social connections to get ahead.
 
It means you're involuntarily celibate and that's all. It just so happens being ugly/short correlates both with inceldom and being unsuccessful at things because you lack confidence from being treated poorly by your peers early in life and lack the necessary social connections to get ahead.
Yes. Sure.

But the real question is why being ugly/short results in you being poorly treated by your peers. Being able to have sex is not a good predictor of your performance at other things (C.F. Jeremy Meeks). Why do people treat those unsuccessful at having female partners poorly? It is quite unclear, I think, what the real underlying reason is. Also, it was not always like that. 2 or 3 centuries back, it definitely wasn't.
 
most incels are also losers socially so they make threads complaining about their problems that affect them outside of inceldom, therefore the two conditions of failure get lumped together as one and the same. the association between inceldom and social failure will always be made due to the demographic distribution of incels and the socially unsuccesful, even if you yourself are not a failure socially - since that would make you an outlier.
 
Incels are depressed due to their inceldom. I think it can influence our lives.
Ok, that is one possibility: sexual failure --> depression --> failure at other things.

But that does not explain why other people (especially other men) treat incels badly. Why would depressed people attract mistreatment? That is far from obvious.
 
No. But it seems the meaning has expanded over time to include failure at everything and not only failing to get laid.

Why is that? Why does "failing to get laid" should automatically imply "failure at everything"?
How likely is it to be good at life but fail at mating?

Let's suppose we have 2 men: person A and person B, of whom you know nothing about. But let's say person A has sex on the regular, while person B is a virgin who can't get anything. Who do you think has a better life?
 
Why would depressed people attract mistreatment?
I think they're considered weak and if they're also have ugly appearance, it triggers other men to bully them.
 
I think they're considered weak and if they're also have ugly appearance, it triggers other men to bully them.
I know, but why? Very few people actually rely on their looks to earn money. There is nothing real that looks give you
 
I know, but why? Very few people actually rely on their looks to earn money. There is nothing real that looks give you
This also can be true. Hmmm :waitwhat:
 
There is nothing real that looks give you
I'm not sure about that. One can use his good appearance to manipulate other people.
 
Foids, maybe. But other men?
Maybe @I want to believe means that Chad's manipulate other men indirectly because since Chad gets foid it = hidden envy from other men, and not realising it they do favors for Chad which they otherwise wouldn't.
[UWSL]Still like you say..they are in effect worshipping foids. I see it as they have been captured by the auroa that foid put around everyone and are enamoured with it. [/UWSL]
 
Ok, that is one possibility: sexual failure --> depression --> failure at other things.

But that does not explain why other people (especially other men) treat incels badly. Why would depressed people attract mistreatment? That is far from obvious.

hierarchy, and will to power. my theory is that looks are markers of everything regarding ,x' person (I.e, it signals whether you're sick or not i.e pallid or yellowish coloration, dark-circle under-eyes, whether you're fertile or not i.e toned skin, rich collagen, healthy weight, and developed secondary sexual characteristics, whether you're trustable or not i.e low-set eyebrows, high-FWHR versus opposites, whether you come from a healthy background or not i.e high-fluctuating asymmetrical faces are due to continuous childhood cortisone e,g trauma, abuse, poverty, your family's history i.e racial characteristics that intertwines with wealthy, intelligence, attractiveness and so on, et cetera). social hierarchies are the natural self-organizing pyramid of auto-reforming establishment by the strong precluding, ostracizing, and massacring the weaker. same reason why leaders are depicted as strong, and, exceptionally smart. the weak living freely without any consequences is essentially a parasitic being, unfortunately.

I know, but why? Very few people actually rely on their looks to earn money. There is nothing real that looks give you

CEOs are often tall. they're successful without a doubt. It seems you've this idea of an inherent characteristic materializing things instantly, but then you completely forget processes such as how opportunities will land at your front in case of superior genetics. even if someone's smart (which is rewarded due being a superior genetic marker), they'd still need to take actions, and/or rely on others for turning ideas real, as we're, by largely, social animals, ergo why language exists. ex; genius draw a car along ideas of engineering on the side as note, then plenty of low~average-IQ but capable brutes begins the process of constructing the car in real life by carefully, and meticulously following the instructions as formerly dictated. this is interesting because basically most people are useful in some way or another.
 
Honestly, I believe that Nietzsche is largely responsible for inceldom ...

he was merely an astute observer.

While few philosophers would claim to be nihilists, nihilism is most often associated with Friedrich Nietzsche who argued that its corrosive effects would eventually destroy all moral, religious, and metaphysical convictions and precipitate the greatest crisis in human history.
 
hierarchy, and will to power. my theory is that looks are markers of everything regarding ,x' person (I.e, it signals whether you're sick or not i.e pallid or yellowish coloration, dark-circle under-eyes, whether you're fertile or not i.e toned skin, rich collagen, healthy weight, and developed secondary sexual characteristics, whether you're trustable or not i.e low-set eyebrows, high-FWHR versus opposites, whether you come from a healthy background or not i.e high-fluctuating asymmetrical faces are due to continuous childhood cortisone e,g trauma, abuse, poverty, your family's history i.e racial characteristics that intertwines with wealthy, intelligence, attractiveness and so on, et cetera). social hierarchies are the natural self-organizing pyramid of auto-reforming establishment by the strong precluding, ostracizing, and massacring the weaker. same reason why leaders are depicted as strong, and, exceptionally smart. the weak living freely without any consequences is essentially a parasitic being, unfortunately.



CEOs are often tall. they're successful without a doubt. It seems you've this idea of an inherent characteristic materializing things instantly, but then you completely forget processes such as how opportunities will land at your front in case of superior genetics. even if someone's smart (which is rewarded due being a superior genetic marker), they'd still need to take actions, and/or rely on others for turning ideas real, as we're, by largely, social animals, ergo why language exists. ex; genius draw a car along ideas of engineering on the side as note, then plenty of low~average-IQ but capable brutes begins the process of constructing the car in real life by carefully, and meticulously following the instructions as formerly dictated. this is interesting because basically most people are useful in some way or another.
Fair point.
Honestly, I believe that Nietzsche is largely responsible for inceldom ...
Interesting. How does Nietzsche become responsible? I have some idea but want you to spell it out cause I'm not sure....
 

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