Experiment Do you think gynocentrism is more biological or cultural?

[Hoodpreet]

Obviously as a societal attitude it’s formed by both, not one exclusively. But I’m curious as to which you think is the “bigger” cause, if one exists.

I choose to believe it’s culture, because that explanation at least gives hope this could all end one day. Even if male disposability is a preconception we’re biologically wired to hold

 

[hatepilledandrich]

is there any soyciety in existence that is not somewhat gynocentric?

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

I believe it's nature. Women have the control over reproduction, reproduction = everything in the grand scheme.

Culture however, isn't helping. If anything it's the only thing that can control them.

 

[Hoodpreet]

is there any soyciety in existence that is not somewhat gynocentric?

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan arguably. Men are pushed into dangerous/dirty roles but are also given political and household authority + are recognized for their contribution to society. Women can’t demonize, dehumanize, or instrumentalize them with impunity.

It’s not a truly male supremacist model, but it’s cooperational at the very least

 

[Caichan]

It’s both, but it’s leaning on nature

 

[Rapistcel]

Obviously as a societal attitude it’s formed by both, not one exclusively. But I’m curious as to which you think is the “bigger” cause, if one exists.

I choose to believe it’s culture, because that explanation at least gives hope this could all end one day. Even if male disposability is a preconception we’re biologically wired to hold

Cultural, it has become incredible worse with the rise of cultural marxism in the west

 

[Grodd]

It's both but it's definitely enabled by culture

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

There's probably some innate basis to it, but I can't imagine cultural conditioning not being able to completely nullify it.

 

[Hoodpreet]

There's probably some innate basis to it, but I can't imagine cultural conditioning not being able to completely nullify it.

Surprised you say this considering your tendency to point out how true patriarchy was nigh-nonexistent

 

[SmhChan]

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan arguably. Men are pushed into dangerous/dirty roles but are also given political and household authority + are recognized for their contribution to society. Women can’t demonize, dehumanize, or instrumentalize them with impunity.

It’s not a truly male supremacist model, but it’s cooperational at the very least

I mean it's just men having to take responsibility for their own survival. I'm assuming you have the same gripe as I have, foids benefiting from men doing dangerous work. Also, msm have always dismissed men being able to work as some sort of a privilege when most jobs are anything but that as well as never acknowledging foids can always utilize their sexuality for security and safety.

That's why men's ultimate goal should be gender segregation and relegating foids to the existence of a womb.

 

[SmhChan]

There's probably some innate basis to it, but I can't imagine cultural conditioning not being able to completely nullify it.

I disagree. Culture merely lets their gynocentric malice to thrive. Reminds me of Nazi Ordinary men.

Edit: As for men, I still can't say it's cultural. Men are currently facing a greater social uncertainty. Despite discovering the blackpill, men are more driven to serve the hypergamous competition than uniting. "Back in the day," when a lot of guys mail-ordered brides or arrange-marriage-maxxed, men didn't really care despite essentially buying a foid.

 

[Vulcan's Forge]

definitely cultural men of the past didnt give a rats ass what foids thought

 

[H8mychudlife]

Nature is the precessor for culture, nurture and everything else.

Nature + technology created gynocentrism on steroids

 

[Moth]

One thing that most incels.is users and feminists actually agree on is that matriarchy is natural.

 

[SmhChan]

One thing that most incels.is users and feminists actually agree on is that matriarchy is natural.

Because most incels.is users are crypto-male-feminists ("Why am I not a chad? Other men can go to hell."). Matriarchy would imply foids led a greater quality of life than men like they do in the modern soyciety. They did have some leverage which is always undersold in gender discussions, but they often even led a worse life than men.

Foids nowadays outlive men by a decade. Before modernity they shared more or less the same average life-expectancy. A lot of foids died a painful and miserable death after numerous childbirths.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Because most incels.is users are crypto-male-feminists ("Why am I not a chad? Other men can go to hell."). Matriarchy would imply foids led a greater quality of life than men like they do in the modern soyciety. They did have some leverage which is always undersold in gender discussions, but they often even led a worse life than men.

Foids nowadays outlive men by a decade. Before modernity they shared more or less the same average life-expectancy. A lot of foids died a painful and miserable death after numerous childbirths.

TNS and GeckoBus have spoken at length about how in premodern Europe and MENA the average woman lived a better life than the average man. It’s suifuel to learn about, but the level to which patriarchy existed was exaggerated to a large extent

 

[Hoodpreet]

I'm assuming you have the same gripe as I have, foids benefiting from men doing dangerous work.

Yeah I didn’t know enough about Pakhtunwali when I made that comment.

What I would ultimately want is “low cost patriarchy.” I don’t give a fuck about the well-being or happiness of hoes, I want a relatively egalitarian system where men can derive the benefits of patriarchy without the male disposability pill. I’ve been doing some research to find out if such a system has ever existed

 

[autisticsoy]

Both

 

[SmhChan]

TNS and GeckoBus have spoken at length about how in premodern Europe and MENA the average woman lived a better life than the average man. It’s suifuel to learn about, but the level to which patriarchy existed was exaggerated to a large extent

Well, I have read Gecko's own cited articles. Single mothers in Britain worked twice as hard (household chores and mill work) to earn meagre pay during the Industrial Revolution. I did a deep dive into the Industrial Revolution era. Men mostly worked as farmers and didn't work in the off-season. Foids, since most of them didn't own farms, had to work in mills in the off-season.

https://eh.net/encyclopedia/women-workers-in-the-british-industrial-revolution/

In medicine, it is true that men benefited more from the research being more male body (corpses) driven in the past.

The well-documented statistics on life expectancy of the past are in stark contrast with the statistics of today. Foids definitely weren't catered to like today at the very least. Patriarchy is exaggerated in retrospect, I agree, but these arguments for the perpetual existence of Matriarchy or Gynocracy are seldom pick-n-choose-esque.

 

[SmhChan]

I’ve been doing some research to find out if such a system has ever existed

Maybe it's only possible in the age of internet when foids have globally overexposed themselves.

Honestly, I believe this gynocracy (or more appropriately gyno-fascism) is artificially inflicted upon men. US, being the powerhouse that they are, are enforcing it directly or via other cucked Western countries on the whole world with their sanctions.

 

[EcstasyCel]

There's NOTHiNG natural about our gynocentrism, it's been spread through decades of television brainwashing.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Surprised you say this considering your tendency to point out how true patriarchy was nigh-nonexistent

True. I'm not sure if this is 1:1 with patriarchy though, as I'd more so say that this is about culture specifically being in such a way as to blunt any female privileges, if not completely remove them, which I'm sure hasn't really been tried before, as shielding females from potential invaders or other attackers has been central to so many societies historically.

 

[Taboo Buster]

I do not watch network TV nor do I get my news from the Hollywood-controlled media. It's mindrot designed to break the spirit. Make the population more grateful to Big Brother.
If gynocentrism is nurture, it won't last. Any more than any other tyrannical idea has. It has its moment in the sun, but that pendulum, once it has swung as far as it can go in its current swing, will become an unstoppable force when the time comes for it to swing back. If history shows us anything, backswings always are really bloody affairs.
If it is nature, sure, it'll be tougher to fight, but not impossible. After all, It was in our nature to shit in public at one time, wasn't it?

 

[Brainy]

definitely cultural men of the past didnt give a rats ass what foids thought

I blame the jews for pushing feminism