Serious Do you have absolutely no interest in romance?

[GreerTech Creations]

That shit is complete a joke, don't tell me you want to ejaculate into it

You sound like a jealous woman

 

[Spooky_Heejin]

I want romantic, cute love but I know that's made up. It's a thing only in anime and disney animated movies. Real life foids only care for tingles in their vagina or for using a guy somehow.

 

[Spooky_Heejin]

I want that.

Exactly. I learned that the hard way. It's easier to just make anime real

Galatea v3 Series

greertech.neocities.org

bookmarked thanks.

 

[ogreism]

Realistically, I'm aware that my idealized view of romance is incompatible with reality, particularly female nature — which is inherently disloyal, dissimulative, and hypergamous; there is no possibility to ever fulfill my romanticized needs and desires. That said, I do want love, very much so; I yearn deeply for any form of validation, affection, and external evidence that I do have some level of worth in anyone's eyes; it is said that for a self-conscious being to feel real, it must be recognized by another self-conscious being, but I will never have that. If the physical aspect of it such as sex was the only thing I was interested in, I would not be on this forum in the first place, nor would my grievance have reached such depths.

I've been thinking about what you have said for a few days now. you need to accept that you will never get a womans love because men like us (and the vast majority of men) can't get a woman's unconditional love and validation, women only care about what we can do for them, you need to let go of your desire for a woman's love and validation because the suffering you're going through is caused by your desire for something that you will never get. I don't know how long you have been blackpilled but it does take years to fully let go of your desire for love and validation, it took me years to let it go but mind you I was exposed to the MGTOW ideology 10 years ago and they made me aware that my worth was based on my utility and when you stop providing you are worthless in a woman's eyes. So this mindset of "I yearn deeply for any form of validation, affection, and external evidence that I do have some level of worth in anyone's eyes; it is said that for a self-conscious being to feel real, it must be recognized by another self-conscious being" I strongly disagree having, a woman's validation Is not an end in itself.

 

[Taboo Buster]

Women are are more easily swayed by peer pressure than men. They have been subjected to feminist dogma bombarding them from all directions, telling them what goddesses they are and what losers men are. Their own egos did the rest.
Look at any mammal in the world. Treat one badly, and you have a creature that'll snap at you and behave miserably. Show it kindness, and it'll reflect that kindness. People are mammals. We act the same way.
There is such a thing as being love-starved. It's a cruel and unusual punishment that poisons us and makes us bitter. Especially when we know we've done nothing to deserve that.
If you are a typical female, you are probably already in a she-gang of one sort or another. Women hug and kiss each other all the time without any fear of being accused of homosexuality. There still may be a few who could never fit into any hen party, and you can tell that by looking at them. They have the same gloomy air about them as any love-starved guy.
Loved-starved males don't get much choice in what to do about it.
If there were an easy answer, we wouldn't be discussing it here.

 

[psychotic_cock69]

a lot of guys here on .IS talk about how badly they want a girlfriend to come home to after work, cuddle with on the couch during a movie, hold hands with while walking through the park, and kiss the lips and body well having sex, but for me I'm not into that shit. the only thing I want is to use a woman's body for my sexual pleasure and when i'm finished i want her out of my sight.

I find it very strange seeing guys here on .IS desperately wanting a woman to cuddle, kiss, and hold hands with, and get jealous and depressed when they see another man get those things, because I feel absolutely nothing at all.

how do you brocels feel?

im just gonna nigger rape some foid atp.
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[yakubhitler]

a lot of guys here on .IS talk about how badly they want a girlfriend to come home to after work, cuddle with on the couch during a movie, hold hands with while walking through the park, and kiss the lips and body well having sex, but for me I'm not into that shit. the only thing I want is to use a woman's body for my sexual pleasure and when i'm finished i want her out of my sight.

I find it very strange seeing guys here on .IS desperately wanting a woman to cuddle, kiss, and hold hands with, and get jealous and depressed when they see another man get those things, because I feel absolutely nothing at all.

how do you brocels feel?

I don't really believe in love anymore only sexual chemistry it's not love she just makes your pee pee feel good

 

[yakubhitler]

Not since I've realized that, unlike men, women are fundamentally incapable of love.

Even Chad is not "loved" in the traditional sense. They love what he is, not who he is.

Exactly

 

[flippedroaches14]

I dont think Im to interested in a relationship with a women. With my autism it will be akward and I will not know what to do.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

I've been thinking about what you have said for a few days now. you need to accept that you will never get a womans love because men like us (and the vast majority of men) can't get a woman's unconditional love and validation, women only care about what we can do for them, you need to let go of your desire for a woman's love and validation because the suffering you're going through is caused by your desire for something that you will never get. I don't know how long you have been blackpilled but it does take years to fully let go of your desire for love and validation, it took me years to let it go but mind you I was exposed to the MGTOW ideology 10 years ago and they made me aware that my worth was based on my utility and when you stop providing you are worthless in a woman's eyes. So this mindset of "I yearn deeply for any form of validation, affection, and external evidence that I do have some level of worth in anyone's eyes; it is said that for a self-conscious being to feel real, it must be recognized by another self-conscious being" I strongly disagree having, a woman's validation Is not an end in itself.

I definitely understand what you’re saying, and I don’t think you’re wrong about conditionality being a fundamental feature of human relationships, especially romantic ones — although this is somewhat contingent upon your definition of unconditional love, which is a bit of a linguistic game; conditionality itself is more of a spectrum rather than a binary, and in that sense, love, especially in our current society, does indeed sit on the more conditional end. I’m not naive about that. I’m fully aware that my idealized, romantic conception of love is incompatible with how relationships actually function and female nature, and I don’t harbor illusions about unconditional female love in the Disney sense. That realization is exactly what caused my disillusionment in the first place. I do disagree with you about the conclusion, however — that the only rational response is to amputate the desire for love and validation altogether, or that it's even a possibility at all for that matter. My suffering is not caused by ignorance of reality, but by lucidity; I already know that romantic value is contingent, transactional, and precarious. I already know that worth is conditional. Knowing this has hollowed things out. Telling me that “a woman’s validation is not an end in itself” misses the point, because I’m not treating female validation as some metaphysical prize. I’m talking about recognition in the Hegelian sense; that is the need for another conscious being to acknowledge your existence as meaningful rather than merely instrumental, in this specific context, it is referring to affectionate recognition.

Women’s validation is conditional, but so is all social validation, yet that doesn’t make the need for it illegitimate. Humans are not self-grounding entities. We don’t generate a stable sense of reality or worth in isolation, unless you can delude yourself or are truly a transcendental entity, but I sincerely doubt that. You can intellectually reject the desire for recognition, but you can’t simply will yourself out of being a social animal without paying a psychological cost, hence the saying 'a man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.'

I don’t doubt that you’ve numbed your desire or buried it, but suppression is not the same as transcendence, since there’s a difference between accepting that unconditional love does not exist and declaring that the desire for love itself is a mistake.

As I said, I'm not here because I believe sex will save me. I’m here because even stripped of fantasy, the need to be seen as more than a utility unit persists, to be recognized as someone worth of love. And no amount of conditioning changes the fact that a life devoid of affection, intimacy, and recognition feels unreal, like existing as a ghost among people.

 

[ogreism]

I definitely understand what you’re saying, and I don’t think you’re wrong about conditionality being a fundamental feature of human relationships, especially romantic ones — although this is somewhat contingent upon your definition of unconditional love, which is a bit of a linguistic game; conditionality itself is more of a spectrum rather than a binary, and in that sense, love, especially in our current society, does indeed sit on the more conditional end. I’m not naive about that. I’m fully aware that my idealized, romantic conception of love is incompatible with how relationships actually function and female nature, and I don’t harbor illusions about unconditional female love in the Disney sense. That realization is exactly what caused my disillusionment in the first place. I do disagree with you about the conclusion, however — that the only rational response is to amputate the desire for love and validation altogether, or that it's even a possibility at all for that matter. My suffering is not caused by ignorance of reality, but by lucidity; I already know that romantic value is contingent, transactional, and precarious. I already know that worth is conditional. Knowing this has hollowed things out. Telling me that “a woman’s validation is not an end in itself” misses the point, because I’m not treating female validation as some metaphysical prize. I’m talking about recognition in the Hegelian sense; that is the need for another conscious being to acknowledge your existence as meaningful rather than merely instrumental, in this specific context, it is referring to affectionate recognition.

Women’s validation is conditional, but so is all social validation, yet that doesn’t make the need for it illegitimate. Humans are not self-grounding entities. We don’t generate a stable sense of reality or worth in isolation, unless you can delude yourself or are truly a transcendental entity, but I sincerely doubt that. You can intellectually reject the desire for recognition, but you can’t simply will yourself out of being a social animal without paying a psychological cost, hence the saying 'a man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.'

I don’t doubt that you’ve numbed your desire or buried it, but suppression is not the same as transcendence, since there’s a difference between accepting that unconditional love does not exist and declaring that the desire for love itself is a mistake.

As I said, I'm not here because I believe sex will save me. I’m here because even stripped of fantasy, the need to be seen as more than a utility unit persists, to be recognized as someone worth of love. And no amount of conditioning changes the fact that a life devoid of affection, intimacy, and recognition feels unreal, like existing as a ghost among people.

I can't stop thinking about what you said, I have been reflecting on my life because you indirectly accused me of suppressing my desire for a woman's recognition, validation and love, I always thought I transcended my desires, but honestly I don't know now.

Now in regards to wanting to be recognized and be seen as worthy in the eyes of another conscious being, why a woman? Knowing they are inherently disloyal, dissimulative, and hypergamous, would it make more sense if you want to be recognized and be seen as worthy, should you get it from family and platonic male friendships?

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Now in regards to wanting to be recognized and be seen as worthy in the eyes of another conscious being, why a woman? Knowing they are inherently disloyal, dissimulative, and hypergamous, would it make more sense if you want to be recognized and be seen as worthy, should you get it from family and platonic male friendships?

I believe there are various forms of conscious recognition that we require as humans — affectionate, loving, and intimate recognition being one of the most fundamental ones, for it requires the most social cost out of all of those, and is not rooted in familial obligations or a similar type of belonging that is present in platonic bonds. Of course, platonic and familial love are of great importance and cannot be neglected, but those cannot offer you the same meaning and investment that romantic love entails — at least in its idealized version.

Familial love particularly involves basic obligation, since your family is tied to you in a genetic bond; this is meaningful, but the social cost is not major, nor does it involve love from someone who has no obligation toward you; this is why compliments given by family rarely penetrate the surface, at least for me. Platonic love is also meaningful, yet it also does not involve the same social cost that romantic love does, and is evidently fundamentally different from the affectionate love one can expect from a lover — this is especially true in our current society where male bonds have also been devalued. It should be obvious that the level of intimacy offered from these relationships is substantially different from that of a romantic relationship, which is already a major distinction, hence my mention of the interpersonal investment that is involved in a genuine romantic relationship; there is a significant difference between being validated as worthy of that love and the other types. Not to mention the psychological aspect of it, since much of our meaning is crafted based on intuition and instincts, which are bound to be affected by one of our most crucial biological imperatives.

Those types essentially provide belonging, loyalty, continuity, and shared identity. But they tend to operate within roles that are, in a sense, already given, such as kinship, camaraderie, shared struggle. You are recognized there largely as a brother, a son, a peer. That recognition is real, but it is not elective in the same way. Romantic recognition is different because it is chosen. It is one conscious being saying: “I see you, and out of all available alternatives, I want you.” This aspect of erotic and affectionate selection is, to me, what makes it so psychologically charged and meaningful. It’s not about pedestalizing women or believing they are morally superior beings; it’s about what that form of recognition signifies. It answers a very specific existential question that other forms of recognition don’t fully touch: am I desired, not merely accepted or tolerated?

Despite my recognition of the futility of this love, and my being cognizant of female nature, I cannot let go of it, hence the despair of the idealist. This is a certain ideal I simply cannot concede, since the concession of it will deprive me of whatever meaning I have left; their nature may be utterly contemptible, but it does not change the despair that I feel at my unfulfilled longing. As I previously said, this is exactly what fuels my disillusionment — the dissonance between reality and my ideals; I believe that in life, we have wills that we cannot truly let go of, and the greater the disharmony between our life and the ideal we desire, the greater the dysphoria we feel.

In a sense, this is where suppression versus transcendence matters, since the latter would mean that the absence of this form of recognition no longer registers as a lack — that it doesn’t quietly drain color from life. Suppression, on the other hand, entails a reframing of the desire as foolish, corrupt, or beneath you, while still organizing your worldview around explaining why it can’t or shouldn’t be met. The fact that you’re unsettled right now suggests you’re at least open to the possibility that something was buried rather than dissolved. None of this means you’re wrong to distrust female nature and idealistic romance, or that you ought to chase women for validation. It means that the need for affectionate recognition is not something you can simply reroute entirely into family or male bonds without loss, as those forms of recognition are not interchangeable.

 

[End Hypergamy]

I may sound like a Chad for this, but sex in my experience is so much easier to get than genuine romance, and you don't always have to be THAT attractive to have that (whether you pay for it or granny is desperate for cock that she can't easily get herself).

It would be nice to find that unicorn, but that's just bluepilled thinking that will reel you right back into being a simp. The reality is these women don't exist (anymore), and what's left of them is nothing but chaos. You can certainly flirt around with chaos (and fuck it), but chaos will ultimately ruin your life the longer you run around with it. Just remember: she's not yours, it's just your turn!

 

[yakubhitler]

Yep

 

[ogreism]

I believe there are various forms of conscious recognition that we require as humans — affectionate, loving, and intimate recognition being one of the most fundamental ones, for it requires the most social cost out of all of those, and is not rooted in familial obligations or a similar type of belonging that is present in platonic bonds. Of course, platonic and familial love are of great importance and cannot be neglected, but those cannot offer you the same meaning and investment that romantic love entails — at least in its idealized version.

Familial love particularly involves basic obligation, since your family is tied to you in a genetic bond; this is meaningful, but the social cost is not major, nor does it involve love from someone who has no obligation toward you; this is why compliments given by family rarely penetrate the surface, at least for me. Platonic love is also meaningful, yet it also does not involve the same social cost that romantic love does, and is evidently fundamentally different from the affectionate love one can expect from a lover — this is especially true in our current society where male bonds have also been devalued. It should be obvious that the level of intimacy offered from these relationships is substantially different from that of a romantic relationship, which is already a major distinction, hence my mention of the interpersonal investment that is involved in a genuine romantic relationship; there is a significant difference between being validated as worthy of that love and the other types. Not to mention the psychological aspect of it, since much of our meaning is crafted based on intuition and instincts, which are bound to be affected by one of our most crucial biological imperatives.

Those types essentially provide belonging, loyalty, continuity, and shared identity. But they tend to operate within roles that are, in a sense, already given, such as kinship, camaraderie, shared struggle. You are recognized there largely as a brother, a son, a peer. That recognition is real, but it is not elective in the same way. Romantic recognition is different because it is chosen. It is one conscious being saying: “I see you, and out of all available alternatives, I want you.” This aspect of erotic and affectionate selection is, to me, what makes it so psychologically charged and meaningful. It’s not about pedestalizing women or believing they are morally superior beings; it’s about what that form of recognition signifies. It answers a very specific existential question that other forms of recognition don’t fully touch: am I desired, not merely accepted or tolerated?

Despite my recognition of the futility of this love, and my being cognizant of female nature, I cannot let go of it, hence the despair of the idealist. This is a certain ideal I simply cannot concede, since the concession of it will deprive me of whatever meaning I have left; their nature may be utterly contemptible, but it does not change the despair that I feel at my unfulfilled longing. As I previously said, this is exactly what fuels my disillusionment — the dissonance between reality and my ideals; I believe that in life, we have wills that we cannot truly let go of, and the greater the disharmony between our life and the ideal we desire, the greater the dysphoria we feel.

In a sense, this is where suppression versus transcendence matters, since the latter would mean that the absence of this form of recognition no longer registers as a lack — that it doesn’t quietly drain color from life. Suppression, on the other hand, entails a reframing of the desire as foolish, corrupt, or beneath you, while still organizing your worldview around explaining why it can’t or shouldn’t be met. The fact that you’re unsettled right now suggests you’re at least open to the possibility that something was buried rather than dissolved. None of this means you’re wrong to distrust female nature and idealistic romance, or that you ought to chase women for validation. It means that the need for affectionate recognition is not something you can simply reroute entirely into family or male bonds without loss, as those forms of recognition are not interchangeable.

Both our beliefs are rational, but your mentality is a double edged sword, What do you see as the bigger cost right now clinging to the desire (even knowing it's futile), or risking the dullness of letting it fade? I mean, there is more to life than getting a woman's recognition.

What's the ultimate cost of your desire for a woman's recognition?

 

[Giracel]

Don't care at all actually… I'm already into my 20s so it wouldn't be cute wholesome teen love anyway (which is the only kind that truly matters)

 

[ColderManTruce]

Im tired of it. Real life foids are incapable of love

 

[DreamCoper]

I want it if it is real but even if I was chad I would not because foids are not capable of it. If I was a chad I could only really love a foid in the way someone loves their pet fish or spider. You care about it of course and treat them well but you aren’t significantly emotionally invested because you know it can’t really love you back in the way you do like a cat or dog.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Both our beliefs are rational, but your mentality is a double edged sword, What do you see as the bigger cost right now clinging to the desire (even knowing it's futile), or risking the dullness of letting it fade? I mean, there is more to life than getting a woman's recognition.

What's the ultimate cost of your desire for a woman's recognition?

I don’t deny that it’s a double-edged sword, and I have said as much myself. I suppose the cost of clinging to the desire is quite obvious, since it inevitably leads to dissatisfaction, unfulfilled longing, and a constant awareness of the things you lack, which results in a slow decay of your psych, and I live with that every day. It hurts because something real is missing.

To let it fade — which I am not sure is even possible — comes with a different kind of cost, one that’s harder to quantify but more existential, for I see it as a flattening of meaning. Certain colors disappear from experience altogether. Although, as I said, I sincerely doubt one can truly let go, which means it would only be repressed, or be focused on in a different frame.

 

[ogreism]

I don’t deny that it’s a double-edged sword, and I have said as much myself. I suppose the cost of clinging to the desire is quite obvious, since it inevitably leads to dissatisfaction, unfulfilled longing, and a constant awareness of the things you lack, which results in a slow decay of your psych, and I live with that every day. It hurts because something real is missing.

To let it fade — which I am not sure is even possible — comes with a different kind of cost, one that’s harder to quantify but more existential, for I see it as a flattening of meaning. Certain colors disappear from experience altogether. Although, as I said, I sincerely doubt one can truly let go, which means it would only be repressed, or be focused on in a different frame.

You're right, you can't truly transcend your desires, you can only suppress them to the point where you can barely feel them, the suppression feels like transcendence, I don't let romantic feelings develop because I know they'll lead to more pain in reality. I know what you're feeling, we live in a gynocentric society that pedestalizes a woman's validation, recognition, and love, you feel like your life is going to have no purpose, but once you suppress your desires you start to feel more free. It's not an overnight thing detaching your worth from a woman's recognition, validation, and love, it took me 10 years since I discovered the MGTOW ideology to where I am now, you need to focus your life purpose on, hobbies, goals, and building friendships with men (i understand it won't feel the exact same as being desired by a woman).

I was worried about a colourless life, but the colour came from other places once I stopped wanting it from women.

 

[incredible]

i wish i could speak on wanting to cuddle or hold hands or anything romantic.

having never being able to experience any of it before, nor ive been around enough people to see this irl either .

also most couples i know ; the cousins and their wives, my parents, neighbors , they are all in shitty marriages.

so if i really think about it , i actually have never even seen two people hug romantically outside of telly or movies

 

[Altunyiskon]

Romance is only achievable for chads.

 

[FKP]

It would be nice, but I don't think it's possible. I would rather be a simp tbh, considering my reality

 

[Altunyiskon]

It would be nice, but I don't think it's possible. I would rather be a simp tbh, considering my reality

Fag, even admitting to this shit should get you fucking banned

 

[FKP]

Fag, even admitting to this shit should get you fucking banned

How does that make me a fag? I give money to a slut and she has sex with me, isn't this fair?

 

[Altunyiskon]

How does that make me a fag? I give money to a slut and she has sex with me, isn't this fair?

Oh that's more like escortcelling. Simping isn't what that is. You kinda mixed up the terminology

 

[FKP]

Oh that's more like escortcelling. Simping isn't what that is. You kinda mixed up the terminology

Yeah, I guess. Is just that there are actual "simp communities" out there, full of boomers who give stuff to sluts for benefits. If they don't give them benefits they rage against the slut and stop simping

 

[EcstasyCel]

Women are are more easily swayed by peer pressure than men. They have been subjected to feminist dogma bombarding them from all directions, telling them what goddesses they are and what losers men are. Their own egos did the rest.
Look at any mammal in the world. Treat one badly, and you have a creature that'll snap at you and behave miserably. Show it kindness, and it'll reflect that kindness. People are mammals. We act the same way.
There is such a thing as being love-starved. It's a cruel and unusual punishment that poisons us and makes us bitter. Especially when we know we've done nothing to deserve that.
If you are a typical female, you are probably already in a she-gang of one sort or another. Women hug and kiss each other all the time without any fear of being accused of homosexuality. There still may be a few who could never fit into any hen party, and you can tell that by looking at them. They have the same gloomy air about them as any love-starved guy.
Loved-starved males don't get much choice in what to do about it.
If there were an easy answer, we wouldn't be discussing it here.

I absolutely despise my oneitis for submitting herself to such a she-gang. I hope she already told these bitches to go fuck themselves and eat dirt.

 

[egyptianatheist]

i don’t even care anymore, all i truly want is people who care about me or someone who considers me as their first choice, doesn’t matter if it’s a girlfriend or a just a friend lol.

 

[Domery]

I just want sex, i am horny

 

[Kan>Foids]

Yes. Why would I want to waste money, time, and braincells on a foid? I never understood the cognitive dissonance of some people on this site. On one hand, they'll rightfully hate everything there is about a foid, and then immediately say they want to waste their lives being stuck with them in the same house. Huh? The whole Disney movie version of romance with a foid is just that, fantasy. Use them to blow a load onto/into and then leave them. I don't get this desire for the gushy, puppy eye romance.

 

[ogreism]

Yes. Why would I want to waste money, time, and braincells on a foid? I never understood the cognitive dissonance of some people on this site. On one hand, they'll rightfully hate everything there is about a foid, and then immediately say they want to waste their lives being stuck with them in the same house. Huh? The whole Disney movie version of romance with a foid is just that, fantasy. Use them to blow a load onto/into and then leave them. I don't get this desire for the gushy, puppy eye romance.

the hatred and resentment some incels have is performative and isn't genuine, Their feelings of frustration stem from not being able to get sex or a good relationship, and a lot of these guys will simp for a woman if they believe they have a tiny chance of getting laid or getting a romantic relationship.

if you are an unattractive man, women only care about what you can do for them. there's no point obsessing over romance because a woman's "love" isn't going to be genuine, it's much better to be single and fuck whores than be in a betabuxx relationship with some bitch.

 

[Caichan]

a lot of guys here on .IS talk about how badly they want a girlfriend to come home to after work, cuddle with on the couch during a movie, hold hands with while walking through the park, and kiss the lips and body well having sex, but for me I'm not into that shit. the only thing I want is to use a woman's body for my sexual pleasure and when i'm finished i want her out of my sight.

I find it very strange seeing guys here on .IS desperately wanting a woman to cuddle, kiss, and hold hands with, and get jealous and depressed when they see another man get those things, because I feel absolutely nothing at all.

how do you brocels feel?

I still do, even if it’s illogical. I’m dumb

 

[incelredditor]

I want to know what it would feel like to touch a bosom over her clothes. Never will though. Never thought beyond that.

 

[Wolnir]

The brutal reality for most of the users here is that even if they get a girlfriend, it will probably be a sexless and controlling relationship because foids always have leverage when they man is sub 5.

 

[Todd Thundercock]

if you are an unattractive man, women only care about what you can do for them. there's no point obsessing over romance because a woman's "love" isn't going to be genuine, it's much better to be single and fuck whores than be in a betabuxx relationship with some bitch

The sooner you accept this, the better. Except the single and fuck whores part also rings hollow eventually.

 

[HedaOdin53815]

All I care about is sex, sex, and more sex. I just want to fuck all foids and control them!

 

[kharxa]

The more I look at it yeah it’ll just end up with a heartbreak from some skank foid and you’ll be lonelier than before the relationship