Do most humans even exist?

[Defeated Lobster]

I'm not a religious type, but I've spent the night pondering whether most of humanity might not even exist in a spiritual sense.

We often label unintelligent and predictable humans as non-playable characters, also known as NPCs. What really disturbs me, however, is the possibility that such humans might actually be soulless creatures; robots programmed to act and think a certain way.

There's no way all of humanity is endowed with intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness. Their existence is artificial in some sense. They look, speak, and act human, but something is off.

Artifical intelligence can just as well perform human tasks and act in a programmed manner. Not matter how realistic a human-like robot might be, we know there is nothing inside them: no soul, spirit, energy, consciousness, self-awareness or ego. Which leads us to the question: what makes us think most humans are not in fact programmed by the Matrix we live in?

If that is really the case, then soul-searching, introspective humans like us are the only ones in existence. We crossed the line and questioned our existence, which sapient beings are expected to do, whereas most so-called humans just exist.

Their purpose is to keep the wheel spinning. They were meant to be this way. They are machines without souls. They are programmed beings. Soulless creatures.

What are humans doing here? I wish I knew.

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Spoiler: Tagging humans.

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[BrettyBoy]

The majority don’t have a mind of their own.

 

[TheProphetMuscle]

A majority of humans aren’t very intelligent and just follow the pack. My family is like this. Take the vaccine if they’re told do, eat what everyone else eats even if it’s poison, listen to what everyone else listens to, they just follow whatever the trend is

 

[Cuckoja]

What if non Jews don't have a soul? Maybe that's why God didn't like them.

 

[HighTGymcel]

No its a psyop by the zog

 

[Deleted member 41074]

I'm the only human on this god forsaken piece of shit we call Earth.
And I'm not even human. I'm a GNU, a wildebeast.

 

[genma]

There's no way all of humanity is endowed with intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness.

I don't think it's an endowment at all. I think consciousness is a consequence of the use of language to express abstract ideas. My opinion here comes from the book, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.

I think that many people go through life without ever thinking about abstract thoughts. They just follow their emotions. They can speak, by the way. Speech isn't proof of consciousness. People speak when sleepwalking, or blackout drunk. The brain can do all sorts of amazing things without consciousness. You can drive a car while not conscious (it's call road hypnosis).

So yeah, I think that if you're not reading books and thinking about abstract concepts, there's a good chance your conscious mind either doesn't switch on, or never fully develops. And you can still walk around and interact and have a job etc. while in that state.

 

[nice_try]

It's called npcs

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Humans are inherently NPCs. we were programmed that way by evolution. humans are incapable of free will because society is their God rather than God himself (who doesn't exist. we were just created in the universe by some supernatural force that was part of the big bang).

 

[gigacel123]

What you say has some merit. There are zoomers who get angry or upset if they have to think deeper than TikTok or Fortnite or Cardi B.

Most people just follow their biological cues. Eat, sex, survive.

The people who truly exist are ones who know what real suffering is like, because they've been starved of those biological needs. They aren't just following their chemical code anymore. They're a piece of biology that isn't just following its biology, they value the part inside them that isn't just biology, unlike the superficial white chadlite or tyronelite zoomers and modern millenial/zoomer women who live off of their looks and dopamine from validation.

In a way, a starving poor fisherman who braves bad weather and risks himself everyday to feed himself and his kids, exists more than the sex-having roastie who jumps chad bones every friday night and cries when her starbucks order is misplaced, she is only superficially following her chemical reactions. The fisherman knows life and death, it's not like just getting food at a Wendy's just cause you're craving a Baconater.

That's just my rambling two cents on it.

 

[WizardofSoda]

In my reincarnation religion I'm not sure. I am leaning towards that most humans are NPC's. Something I pointed out was a computer server complex in another layer of the simulation that can simulate our entire universe its no big deal to simulate a few billion NPC humans.

I also considered whether beyond being NPC's if they even are being simulated at all when they are out of view range for player characters. I'm not sure on this, on the one hand I think it adds realism to just simulate them all the time, and since it only requires trivial computing power for the universe simulator its not a computing issue imo.

On the other hand with glitches in the matrix and conscious thinking about something and then it gets worked into your reality somehow before long.. that would be easier to do with many not existing when outside your view range.

@Transcended Trucel

 

[Deleted member 40537]

Sometimes I wonder if everything is real.

 

[bigantennaemay1]

I've often wondered about this myself. How else could they fall so easily into groupthink, unless they are not really capable of holding their own thoughts? I used to think people were willfully ignorant; now, I'm not so sure.

It really doesn't take much mental effort to look around you, assess the way things are going, and hold it up to your own perceptions and beliefs to see if everything is fitting ok, or if adjustments need to be made. But it seems like most "people" are completely incapable of these mental processes, otherwise, there'd be a bit more outrage toward the fucked up things going on the world. And I mean the actual fucked up things, like the way short men are treated, like how the Cuckadian gov't is cracking down in true Castro style on the truckers, not this virtue signalling, empty bullshit with BLM and the like.

I also don't like thinking about things this way, because life starts to take on a horrific tone once you realize that many of the people around you may not, in fact, actually be people, but just automatons, going about their daily life the way they were meant to, without a shred of reason, heart, or soul.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

In my reincarnation religion I'm not sure. I am leaning towards that most humans are NPC's. Something I pointed out was a computer server complex in another layer of the simulation that can simulate our entire universe its no big deal to simulate a few billion NPC humans.

I also considered whether beyond being NPC's if they even are being simulated at all when they are out of view range for player characters. I'm not sure on this, on the one hand I think it adds realism to just simulate them all the time, and since it only requires trivial computing power for the universe simulator its not a computing issue imo.

On the other hand with glitches in the matrix and conscious thinking about something and then it gets worked into your reality somehow before long.. that would be easier to do with many not existing when outside your view range.

@Transcended Trucel

imo it is possible everyone is a player and NPC simultaneously. You are the player in your life and everyone else is NPC. This is true for every being. This can also explain why some people claim quantum immortality. That they died in one timeline but still wake up again. Likely what happened is that they did die in someone else's playthrough. But not in their own.

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

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I'm not a religious type, but I've spent the night pondering whether most of humanity might not even exist in a spiritual sense.

We often label unintelligent and predictable humans as non-playable characters, also known as NPCs. What really disturbs me, however, is the possibility that such humans might actually be soulless creatures; robots programmed to act and think a certain way.

There's no way all of humanity is endowed with intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness. Their existence is artificial in some sense. They look, speak, and act human, but something is off.

Artifical intelligence can just as well perform human tasks and act in a programmed manner. Not matter how realistic a human-like robot might be, we know there is nothing inside them: no soul, spirit, energy, consciousness, self-awareness or ego. Which leads us to the question: what makes us think most humans are not in fact programmed by the Matrix we live in?

If that is really the case, then soul-searching, introspective humans like us are the only ones in existence. We crossed the line and questioned our existence, which sapient beings are expected to do, whereas most so-called humans just exist.

Their purpose is to keep the wheel spinning. They were meant to be this way. They are machines without souls. They are programmed beings. Soulless creatures.

What are humans doing here? I wish I knew.

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Spoiler: Tagging humans.

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Owwww very good post ,I wondered that just today , I’ll make a post later , seriously some people are just so off like you said

 

[unuser]

Most humans have no sentience, they are little more than animals

Only those who accept the blackpill and who develop the right political views are not NPCs

 

[CrackingYs]

At least 80% of humans are essentially soulless NPC's. Probably 95% of females are barely what you would consider conscious. They're just really good and pretending they are sentient beings.

 

[WizardofSoda]

imo it is possible everyone is a player and NPC simultaneously. You are the player in your life and everyone else is NPC. This is true for every being. This can also explain why some people claim quantum immortality. That they died in one timeline but still wake up again. Likely what happened is that they did die in someone else's playthrough. But not in their own.

Thats an interesting idea I'll have to think about it. One thing I realized is with essentially limitless computing power not only does the simulation hypothesis become a possibility but also even more radical versions like your idea.

For example simulating 10 billion universes, takes well 10 billion times the computing power. Or maybe far less than that with computing tricks. But even if it is the full 10 billion times, that is 10 to the 11th power more calculations.

They could also go like the comic books where the character dies, but then it turns out that was a dream layer/alternative universe they were in.

 

[perpetual anger]

Most humans have no sentience, they are little more than animals

Only those who accept the blackpill and who develop the right political views are not NPCs

You a BOT if you think right wingers, or left wingers aren’t NPCs. They’re dumbasses who doesn’t realize that they’re side is playing for both teams, while being controlled by the same entity. 2 wings 1 full bird making a fool out of both sides.

 

[unuser]

You a BOT if you think right wingers, or left wingers aren’t NPCs. They’re dumbasses who doesn’t realize that they’re side is playing for both teams, while being controlled by the same entity. 2 wings 1 full bird making a fool out of both sides.

I agree they are

To escape the matrix we have to go beyond good and evil, as Mr. Stachelossus would put it, reject the left-right dichotomy, and embrace aspects of both the far-left and far-right

 

[Knajjd]

I'm the only human on this god forsaken piece of shit we call Earth.
And I'm not even human. I'm a GNU, a wildebeast.

Are you a C programmer?

 

[Emba]

It's called npcs

 

[Deleted member 41074]

Are you a C programmer?

I know some C yes.
But recently I have found myself wanting to learn more about web technologies like Javascript.
And also some Rust.
I've been programming as a hobby for a while but I'm not good at it
And the Gnu in my picture is totally a cheap reference to the Gnu foundation.

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

All life is just a by-product of DNA's strange habit of replicating itself.

I would love to have faith in the existence of some kind of system Where the soul is eternal and has something else to look forward to after this life...

 

[cvh1991]

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I'm not a religious type, but I've spent the night pondering whether most of humanity might not even exist in a spiritual sense.

We often label unintelligent and predictable humans as non-playable characters, also known as NPCs. What really disturbs me, however, is the possibility that such humans might actually be soulless creatures; robots programmed to act and think a certain way.

There's no way all of humanity is endowed with intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness. Their existence is artificial in some sense. They look, speak, and act human, but something is off.

Artifical intelligence can just as well perform human tasks and act in a programmed manner. Not matter how realistic a human-like robot might be, we know there is nothing inside them: no soul, spirit, energy, consciousness, self-awareness or ego. Which leads us to the question: what makes us think most humans are not in fact programmed by the Matrix we live in?

If that is really the case, then soul-searching, introspective humans like us are the only ones in existence. We crossed the line and questioned our existence, which sapient beings are expected to do, whereas most so-called humans just exist.

Their purpose is to keep the wheel spinning. They were meant to be this way. They are machines without souls. They are programmed beings. Soulless creatures.

What are humans doing here? I wish I knew.

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Spoiler: Tagging humans.

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@RetardedChinlet @Zensfy
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@Mentally lost cel @Intellau_Celistic @Edmund_Kemper @Emba @cvh1991
@IncelGolem @perpetual anger @BluepilledFantasyXV @based_meme

If you accept the line of thought that "reason is just a tool for meeting emotional needs" then I expect that's why "most people" just go along with whatever they've been indoctrinated with.

We use reason to solve problems, but if someone is brought some degree of happiness from believing in a delusion then it's hard to break them from it. People also seem to love a sense of "belonging" with the tribe and also being able to mock and ridicule a common enemy, that sort of thing. People will choose to go along with something blatantly irrational if it means they can have those two things and also that they can "know" that they're living their lives "correctly" unlike those evil people over there.

It sort of seems like some discomfort or some event has to happen seems to me for them to get shaken out of the status quo (obviously not how it goes irl, but in the film "They Live" the main character is very optimistic despite the reality of his life until the truth is thrust upon him). Even then intelligence/"ability to learn" definitely varies between people -- there's a reason why the vast majority of people cannot cut it in an engineering program for example, it's a type of problem which is difficult for the average person (and probably difficult for most people that succeed in it too, some people may be disciplined enough that by brute force and spending mountains of time they can scrape by so I guess that's possible too in some cases but still a certain level of intelligence is required and something needs to motivate someone to push themselves that hard).

I guess for an example, I used to be deeply religious and never really questioned it until I hit rock bottom -- I can't be too specific for obvious reasons, but I was actually pretty happy (deeply delusional, but happy enough) up until a certain tragedy happened in my life and after that I spent about three years reading every book I could get my hands on for self help and arguing for and against different religions, I got in shape, that sort of thing. Obviously now I'm here but I don't know that I would be if the society I'm a part of actually cared about men -- imagine if run of the mill low status ugly men and our problems mattered to the mainstream as much as fucking misgendering and trannies do ffs, it's almost like it's all manipulated but what do I know.

Anyway, after what happened I suddenly became aware of the cognitive dissonance that had been there my whole life, I just never noticed it. There was a book I read about belief windows and human needs (to live, to love and be loved, variety, to feel important, sex, etc) and I always found that one interesting because what the author ended up arguing for really was just that people should change what they believe to whatever meets their needs. The problem with that though is at this point I'm not actually so sure that people "choose" what they believe is true. I can't just "choose" to believe that everything's gonna work out and that all my needs will be met someday if I just keep boot strapping and "self-improving". In the end I sometimes wonder if I'd be happier if I'd just kept believing the delusions I used to, but it's too late for that.

At some point the problem is with what society has become seems to me. In some ways things are better now, sure, but in other ways other things are dramatically worse (obviously if you're a woman today or a faggot even society broadly treats you like fucking royalty). Video games and porn aren't a real replacement for that list of needs I laid out above and they never will be.

 

[Defeated Lobster]

If you accept the line of thought that "reason is just a tool for meeting emotional needs" then I expect that's why "most people" just go along with whatever they've been indoctrinated with.

We use reason to solve problems, but if someone is brought some degree of happiness from believing in a delusion then it's hard to break them from it. People also seem to love a sense of "belonging" with the tribe and also being able to mock and ridicule a common enemy, that sort of thing. People will choose to go along with something blatantly irrational if it means they can have those two things and also that they can "know" that they're living their lives "correctly" unlike those evil people over there.

It sort of seems like some discomfort or some event has to happen seems to me for them to get shaken out of the status quo (obviously not how it goes irl, but in the film "They Live" the main character is very optimistic despite the reality of his life until the truth is thrust upon him). Even then intelligence/"ability to learn" definitely varies between people -- there's a reason why the vast majority of people cannot cut it in an engineering program for example, it's a type of problem which is difficult for the average person (and probably difficult for most people that succeed in it too, some people may be disciplined enough that by brute force and spending mountains of time they can scrape by so I guess that's possible too in some cases but still a certain level of intelligence is required and something needs to motivate someone to push themselves that hard).

I guess for an example, I used to be deeply religious and never really questioned it until I hit rock bottom -- I can't be too specific for obvious reasons, but I was actually pretty happy (deeply delusional, but happy enough) up until a certain tragedy happened in my life and after that I spent about three years reading every book I could get my hands on for self help and arguing for and against different religions, I got in shape, that sort of thing. Obviously now I'm here but I don't know that I would be if the society I'm a part of actually cared about men -- imagine if run of the mill low status ugly men and our problems mattered to the mainstream as much as fucking misgendering and trannies do ffs, it's almost like it's all manipulated but what do I know.

Anyway, after what happened I suddenly became aware of the cognitive dissonance that had been there my whole life, I just never noticed it. There was a book I read about belief windows and human needs (to live, to love and be loved, variety, to feel important, sex, etc) and I always found that one interesting because what the author ended up arguing for really was just that people should change what they believe to whatever meets their needs. The problem with that though is at this point I'm not actually so sure that people "choose" what they believe is true. I can't just "choose" to believe that everything's gonna work out and that all my needs will be met someday if I just keep boot strapping and "self-improving". In the end I sometimes wonder if I'd be happier if I'd just kept believing the delusions I used to, but it's too late for that.

At some point the problem is with what society has become seems to me. In some ways things are better now, sure, but in other ways other things are dramatically worse (obviously if you're a woman today or a faggot even society broadly treats you like fucking royalty). Video games and porn aren't a real replacement for that list of needs I laid out above and they never will be.

Extremely high IQ points. I enjoyed reading.

 

[BluepilledFantasyXV]

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I'm not a religious type, but I've spent the night pondering whether most of humanity might not even exist in a spiritual sense.

We often label unintelligent and predictable humans as non-playable characters, also known as NPCs. What really disturbs me, however, is the possibility that such humans might actually be soulless creatures; robots programmed to act and think a certain way.

There's no way all of humanity is endowed with intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness. Their existence is artificial in some sense. They look, speak, and act human, but something is off.

Artifical intelligence can just as well perform human tasks and act in a programmed manner. Not matter how realistic a human-like robot might be, we know there is nothing inside them: no soul, spirit, energy, consciousness, self-awareness or ego. Which leads us to the question: what makes us think most humans are not in fact programmed by the Matrix we live in?

If that is really the case, then soul-searching, introspective humans like us are the only ones in existence. We crossed the line and questioned our existence, which sapient beings are expected to do, whereas most so-called humans just exist.

Their purpose is to keep the wheel spinning. They were meant to be this way. They are machines without souls. They are programmed beings. Soulless creatures.

What are humans doing here? I wish I knew.

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Spoiler: Tagging humans.

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Most humans were programmable included us

View: https://youtu.be/Y9TviIuXPSE


It just happened that our life experiences led us to think outside the box. I believe that the so called NPCs are just comfortable with their lifes.

I also believe that we have to canalize tribalism in one way ir another. Many normies do with sports, people like us do it with social affair-related stuff like politics or blackpill.

 

[cvh1991]

Extremely high IQ points. I enjoyed reading.

Thanks mate, sorry I sorta rambled on there

 

[cvh1991]

It just happened that our life experiences led us to think outside the box. I believe that the so called NPCs are just comfortable with their lifes.

I also believe that we have to canalize tribalism in one way ir another. Many normies do with sports, people like us do it with social affair-related stuff like politics or blackpill.

Well put mate

 

[Persecuted]

Philosophical zombie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[based_meme]

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I'm not a religious type, but I've spent the night pondering whether most of humanity might not even exist in a spiritual sense.

We often label unintelligent and predictable humans as non-playable characters, also known as NPCs. What really disturbs me, however, is the possibility that such humans might actually be soulless creatures; robots programmed to act and think a certain way.

There's no way all of humanity is endowed with intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness. Their existence is artificial in some sense. They look, speak, and act human, but something is off.

Artifical intelligence can just as well perform human tasks and act in a programmed manner. Not matter how realistic a human-like robot might be, we know there is nothing inside them: no soul, spirit, energy, consciousness, self-awareness or ego. Which leads us to the question: what makes us think most humans are not in fact programmed by the Matrix we live in?

If that is really the case, then soul-searching, introspective humans like us are the only ones in existence. We crossed the line and questioned our existence, which sapient beings are expected to do, whereas most so-called humans just exist.

Their purpose is to keep the wheel spinning. They were meant to be this way. They are machines without souls. They are programmed beings. Soulless creatures.

What are humans doing here? I wish I knew.

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Spoiler: Tagging humans.

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@RetardedChinlet @Zensfy
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@IncelGolem @perpetual anger @BluepilledFantasyXV @based_meme

How would you determine that someone has a soul and is not a programmed machine? This is the hard problem of consciousness. There is no verifiable test to discern the philosophical zombie from the human with consciousness.

How do you differentiate between consciousness and the soul? Can something have consciousness, but no soul? Can something have a soul, but have no consciousness?

And how do you know that I'm not a highly sophisticated AI program?

 

[Deleted member 41061]

Good thread. I also do think most people aren't real. There is nothing wrong with hurting them. They are just robots and like bees, flies or any other worms do what their DNA preprogrammed them to do.