One typical argument against incels is that we believe that only women are shallow, while the same is supposedly true for men too. I'm really curious to see everyone's take on this.
Yes
Of course we do. Looks are the lense through which we perceive personality. Rendering personality the less important commodity in every sphere, especially dating.
Men care about looks and personality.
Women only care about looks, money, and status. They're more shallow.
Women only care about looks, money, and status. They're more shallow.
Looks are obviously important, but I’ve been attracted to objective 2’s. Their personality could make or break them.
I want a woman who would make a good mother and who would support me in my career/dreams. In return I would give her validation and honor.
I want a woman who would make a good mother and who would support me in my career/dreams. In return I would give her validation and honor.
We are attracted to looks, just like women. And if we were given an overabundance of women, no doubt we'd be slayers. But because we don't, we value loyalty and kindness. Women would do the same if they didn't have so many options.
lol even if there were twice as many foids as men the top men would still share them. it would probably be the 70/30 rule or something though.
True, i'm talking about the average male.
It is a redundant argument. Human beings are wired to love beauty. Men like beautiful women for the same reason they enjoy a beautiful landscape, or a beautiful piece of art. Are you being superficial when you are engrossed by looking at something like this?
Are you being superficial when you prefer this to a jumble of screeching noises?
It's a silly argument. Yes, there can be a superficial and even vulgar aspect to beauty, and a lot of people nowadays are vulgar and coarse, but that's not the same to say that to admire beauty in itself implies one is vulgar or coarse.
With all this said, i find it amusing that when women were told they had to be "beautiful" in this higher sense that was oppression according to feminists. See, women have a right to be coarse and vulgar, say the same feminists who argue men are the superficial ones who only see women as sexual objects to abuse. Interesting, isn't it? Almost as if women can't perceive this higher aspect of beauty, and are firmly stuck in the material and the superficial, and don't understand that some men see something spiritual in the beauty of a woman, and are deeply wounded when the "personality" of the woman ruins all that.
Are you being superficial when you prefer this to a jumble of screeching noises?
It's a silly argument. Yes, there can be a superficial and even vulgar aspect to beauty, and a lot of people nowadays are vulgar and coarse, but that's not the same to say that to admire beauty in itself implies one is vulgar or coarse.
With all this said, i find it amusing that when women were told they had to be "beautiful" in this higher sense that was oppression according to feminists. See, women have a right to be coarse and vulgar, say the same feminists who argue men are the superficial ones who only see women as sexual objects to abuse. Interesting, isn't it? Almost as if women can't perceive this higher aspect of beauty, and are firmly stuck in the material and the superficial, and don't understand that some men see something spiritual in the beauty of a woman, and are deeply wounded when the "personality" of the woman ruins all that.
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No, just look at the articles where feminist women admit to being afraid of exposing their feminism to their dates because a bunch of men become repulsed by it.
I only care about looks.
In the same way misogynistic men probably don’t reveal themselves as such to their female dates. Attraction to appearance is the foundation required to be set for a date to materialise to being with, for both involved parties, male or female.
Once a female passes my looks threshold (3.5-4/10) only then is her personality relevant. So, for me, not really.
yes, but it is not a double standard. women are expected to look good, and not because of some social construct. its cause they're mammals and only produce 1 egg at a time. A man's investment in fucking is only a couple seconds of thrusting. if they're fertile, they will look attractive to a male. there is NO downside to impregnating a female, only an upside as there is a 0+% chance that the kid survives. "looking good/hot" is synonymous to simply looking fertile, albeit to varying degrees. This is why a man will fuck any girl. and will even fuck a less hot girl just cause she's new and novel. It's why looks are an uncompromisable prerequisite for ANY guy wanting a gf/wife, regardless if she's a virgin, great personality, would make a great mother, has money, etc, etc.. and the vast majority of girls meet this prerequisite.
if a girl isn't fuckable, she has no purpose and no value to the species and in life. she failed at being female. its like being a girl without a womb.
if a girl isn't fuckable, she has no purpose and no value to the species and in life. she failed at being female. its like being a girl without a womb.
with twice as much women, 1:1 mate pairings wouldn't be possible so there would be harems. it would be worse than it is now. it would be like 95/5 rule or worse
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We are not a special. Other animals have the same instincts we do.
Of course
As long as she isn’t some serial killer most guys would do anything for a 10/10
we mainly care about looks. but the difference is that we will still fuck below average looking foids. women, however, only want prime 8/10 genetics.
jfl at thinking you could even give a 2/10 any more validation than she already has in 2018
jfl at thinking you could even give a 2/10 any more validation than she already has in 2018
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Yes, but most men do not limit their option to only one body type unlike most women.
AS LONG AS SHE IS FUCKABLE, WHICH AIN'T HARD TO PULL OFF, ALL I CARE ABOUT IS PERSONALITYYYYYYY (and I have told this to foids and they do not care). Of course extra looks at that point is icing on the cake but I would literally (and I had to make this decision in my PUA days in terms of the girls I would approach and prefer to approach if I had multiple girls in view) - anyways, I would literally choose a vastly less physically attractive girl with a great personality over a 10/10/10/10 uber Stacy who had a bad or mediocre personality. However, I find that every fucking time, the girl with better looks has the better personality but simply does more to hide it from the world so she doesn't get swamped with offers and unwanted dick.
Yes but our tastes are more diverse, women have nazi-like tastes and we have standards that are easy to satisfy by the majority of women, it only takes a little bit of effort to not get fat. That's more problematic than being interrested in look. For non fat women, at least 40% would be considered attractive and 30% decent.
While for women : has to be tall + chad face, not even 5% satisfy those standards.
While for women : has to be tall + chad face, not even 5% satisfy those standards.
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Yes, but that wouldn't be the case if women had something else to offer.
The irony is that we'll say "foids will fuck rapists drug dealers for a one night stand" but you'd fuck a rapist drug dealer femaloid for a one night stand also.
Personality DOES matter for any kind of lasting relationship.
Personality DOES matter for any kind of lasting relationship.
Most men seem to actually want someone to treat and esteem as an equal. Unless they're remarkably poor representatives of the human male, they will probably be unable to find a suitably matched specimen. @Red Shambhala can probably expand on this.
Beyond that, men value chastity, complaisance, empathy, etc. In a better world, you could find these qualities.
At this point, my own desires have devolved to the most fundamental plane of physical attraction. I don't care as long as it looks good. I'm not going to find anyone uncorrupted and I will certainly never find anyone "interesting". I imagine something similar has happened and will happen to a lot of people. Seeking looks is all that a lot of men are left able to do.
@IntolerantSocialist
Beyond that, men value chastity, complaisance, empathy, etc. In a better world, you could find these qualities.
At this point, my own desires have devolved to the most fundamental plane of physical attraction. I don't care as long as it looks good. I'm not going to find anyone uncorrupted and I will certainly never find anyone "interesting". I imagine something similar has happened and will happen to a lot of people. Seeking looks is all that a lot of men are left able to do.
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Other. Yes they do, but they can lower their standards. I used to have a oneitis in HS with a 3/10 without fakeup 5’0 tall girl. She wasn’t even smart or extroverted, but id have done everything for her (kinda cuck ik) by that time.
Women can’t just lower their standards, they won’t love nothing but an 8+ , they just biologically!!
Women can’t just lower their standards, they won’t love nothing but an 8+ , they just biologically!!
All I care about is looks, but I'm willing to take just about anything.
Ideally a partner would be STD free, nice, and enthusiastic about sex. Otherwise I can't think of anything else I'd want from some bitch. She should just be a fuckdoll and nothing else.
Ideally a partner would be STD free, nice, and enthusiastic about sex. Otherwise I can't think of anything else I'd want from some bitch. She should just be a fuckdoll and nothing else.
And you don't understand the difference ?
Males would fuck anything, they aren't saying "drug dealer ? Not a big deal if she's hot" they'd fuck anything from the start. They aren't making a drastic selection from the start, they just want sex, it's often not even personal.
Femoids on the other hand would discriminate on looks and height but not on being a rapist or a criminal ! So they do make a drastic selection, it's very personal for them, it just deems being criminal or a rapist as secondary.
That's two completely different things
wanting your looks ±1 = you only care about looks
It is a redundant argument. Human beings are wired to love beauty. Men like beautiful women for the same reason they enjoy a beautiful landscape, or a beautiful piece of art. Are you being superficial when you are engrossed by looking at something like this?
Are you being superficial when you prefer this to a jumble of screeching noises?
It's a silly argument. Yes, there can be a superficial and even vulgar aspect to beauty, and a lot of people nowadays are vulgar and coarse, but that's not the same to say that to admire beauty in itself implies one is vulgar or coarse.
With all this said, i find it amusing that when women were told they had to be "beautiful" in this higher sense that was oppression according to feminists. See, women have a right to be coarse and vulgar, say the same feminists who argue men are the superficial ones who only see women as sexual objects to abuse. Interesting, isn't it? Almost as if women can't perceive this higher aspect of beauty, and are firmly stuck in the material and the superficial, and don't understand that some men see something spiritual in the beauty of a woman, and are deeply wounded when the "personality" of the woman ruins all that.
Well the reason that admiring a great work of architecture isn't shallow is because blood, sweat and teara went into creating it (at least before modern technology anyway) and because it is transcendental.
Admiring a body is shallow because someone just qon the genetic lottery.
we need islam. desperate cucks who run around hitting on everything that moves enabled this. this is a direct result of living in a non-monogamous "free love" society.
this is both men and womens fault. society is degenerate.
The admiration we have for nature, a beautiful landscape etc contradicts that argument.
And the intelligence that allowed for the creation of beautiful works of art is the same that creates beauty on earth. God is the artificer.
So God created the hellish being that is woman and purposefully made us attracted to them simply to torture us for the sins of Eve?
even tho i'm ugly af i have high standards and only find the top 1% women attractive i can't help it the main aspect about a woman is her looks and that's the only thing she can offer
I've been attracted to girls who could have been seen below average and I'm not necessarly fond of some cliché kind of Stacey looking girls. Males are obviously the least visual of the sexes.
Not only but If she fugly then i dont wanna be seen With her
Men care about personality, yes.
But in women men care for 2 things only:
- Looks
- Crazy
We don't care for personality in women because they are irrelevant. Women are not human enough to make a dent in the chart.
Imagine you rate personality from 1 to 10. Where 10 is saint like and a 6 or 7 is your regular friend.
All women personalities are between 0 and 1...
So we don't care for their personalities because even the greatest girl in the world is still shit
But in women men care for 2 things only:
- Looks
- Crazy
We don't care for personality in women because they are irrelevant. Women are not human enough to make a dent in the chart.
Imagine you rate personality from 1 to 10. Where 10 is saint like and a 6 or 7 is your regular friend.
All women personalities are between 0 and 1...
So we don't care for their personalities because even the greatest girl in the world is still shit
We're less picky, but just as brutal.
Anyone who says no is a lying piece of shit
Couldn't care less what some roastie's personality is like. As long as I get to put my penis into her vagina nothing else matters
Couldn't care less what some roastie's personality is like. As long as I get to put my penis into her vagina nothing else matters
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