Serious Do LTNs Really Ascend?

[universallyabhorret]

I have maybe seen it a few times IRL though I might have been underrating them and they were MTN. Generally all the couples I see are MTNs or HTNs with a few chadlites, actual chads are very rare. Back in the day even incels and LTNs could ascend but is it even really possible nowadays for a LTN to attract women without money and status. Exceptional charm, height or body, will allow an LTN to ascend sure but are most LTN's incel or do they have ugly or fat girlfriends?

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

They can betabuxx for an LTR with a post-wall roastie. I wouldn’t consider that ascension.

 

[Saint Cho]

High-Tier Normie minimum to get true ascension via NTmaxxing.

Anything below that is glorified prostitution & cucked.

 

[universallyabhorret]

They can betabuxx for an LTR with a post-wall roastie. I wouldn’t consider that ascension.

The wall is cope. Even older women can still look attractive and have multiple suitors.

 

[universallyabhorret]

High-Tier Normie minimum to get true ascension via NTmaxxing.

Anything below that is glorified prostitution & cucked.

Cope I have seen plenty of MTNs with women, sometimes attractive ones too.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

The wall is cope. Even older women can still look attractive and have multiple suitors.

No.

 

[PLA1092]

LTNs can get foids if NT and if they have other validating traits, such as wealth and/or status; they will never reach the level of attraction and attention a Chad might get, and will always have the failo of being a sub 5 on their heads, but won't be incel-tier...

But for some, such as curries, the chances of getting an actual Western foid is little to none, of course depending on other factors; foid standards and hypergamy will only unfortunately continue to increase.

 

[Saint Cho]

Cope I have seen plenty of MTNs with women, sometimes attractive ones too.

They're betabuxx cucks or Just Be First abusers. I guess JBF counts though.

 

[universallyabhorret]

LTNs can get foids if NT and if they have other validating traits, such as wealth and/or status; they will never reach the level of attraction and attention a Chad might get, and will always have the failo of being a sub 5 on their heads, but won't be incel-tier...

Give an example. Anyone with significant wealth and status can get a LTR with a foid, even someone who's sub LTN. What separates an incel from an LTN?

 

[depressedblackcel]

the gap between incel and LTN gets blurrier and blurrier. I'm pretty sure a good chunk of users here are just LTN.

 

[PLA1092]

Give an example. Anyone with significant wealth and status can get a LTR with a foid, even someone who's sub LTN. What separates an incel from an LTN?

An NT white LTN is not incel-tier, while an autistic curry LTN in the West is; what you said is true to a certain degree, but the quality of the foid that the man might get and how the relationship is will also differ when comparing an incel to a LTN.

 

[subhuman]

nobody actually ascends. they just lower their standards and betabux