Despite High IQ heavily correlating with belief in racial equality and support for homosexuality, I and my father are the exact opposite

[Horatio Alger]

I know what you're saying, I'm merely trying to explain why that's the case or add an extension to what you're saying with my own opinion on the matter. Not sure why you had to define what correlation means like it isn't an abstract term depending on what the lines are being crossed through comparison. Also, reiterating with asking if I know what "correlation" means when the word has been used several times by myself and you is just being condescending. Now I'm starting to wander if you even are high IQ. How's that for condescending. Would you like me to google define it for you and share it here also?

I do agree that the relationship between intelligence and political beliefs change between time periods and would have been different if WW2 had gone differently,

HOWEVER, your own argument indicates that high IQ people are particularly susceptible to the corrosive influence of liberal ideology in the current era (something I and my father are immune to)

That's true.

Also the reason why many intellectuals supported either fascism or communism during the 1930s, before the final triumph and ideological hegemony (or so it seems) of liberalism after WW2 and the cold war.


The high IQs probably lean left in this day and age due to exposure to environments of far left activity and discourse.


But it is interesting that I turned out as a fascist despite lifelong exposure to liberal ideology in the schools I go to and my fellow peers (my father is apolitical)

I already explained my own thoughts on why high IQs are more likely to be liberal in this day and age (which is quite similar to yours), and that it changes based on the pre-eminent ideology and time period

 

[Horatio Alger]

Also, reiterating with asking if I know what "correlation" means when the word has been used several times by myself and you is just being condescending. Now I'm starting to wander if you even are high IQ. How's that for condescending. Would you like me to google define it for you and share it here also?

Sorry if I seemed condescending.

I was just aggravated at the fact I had to reply to a lot of people while using my mobile phone (tiring out my index fingers)

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

Sorry if I seemed condescending.

I was just aggravated at the fact I had to reply to a lot of people while using my mobile phone (tiring out my index fingers)

No need to apologise, you're entitled to express yourself as you see fit. I completely understand what you're saying and I think it was miscommunication on my behalf as I tend to get lost in my own thought processes and information transactions. Probably gave you more of my own opinion than you asked for/needed honestly, lol.

 

[Horatio Alger]

No need to apologise, you're entitled to express yourself as you see fit. I completely understand what you're saying and I think it was miscommunication on my behalf as I tend to get lost in my own thought processes and information transactions. Probably gave you more of my own opinion than you asked for/needed honestly, lol.

That's alright. I just thought you were redundantly trying to convince me with your own opinion, when I already stated a highly similar opinion beforehand

I apologize for my combativeness (I think you deserve an apology for that)

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

That's alright. I just thought you were redundantly trying to convince me with your own opinion, when I already stated a highly similar opinion beforehand

I apologize for my combativeness (I think you deserve an apology for that)

No not at all, just weighing in with my own perspective on the matter! Well, it is the internet so I can't really blame you for that, apology accepted good sir

 

[Horatio Alger]

No not all, just weighing with my own perspective on the matter! Well, it is the internet so I can't really blame you for that, apology accepted good sir

 

[DarkStar]

Does this necessarily mean that people with IQs in the superior range are more likely to be left-wing though? The impression I got was that racism/homophobia was like a bell curve, with both the dumbest and smartest people being racist or homophobic, and left-wingers being overwhelmingly average in intelligence

Yeah this is what I got also

Yeah. The evidence suggests that people around 1 to 2 standard deviations above the mean (superior range) are more likely to be liberal.

However, you could be half right, with the ACTUAL smart people (+3-4 SD above the mean), being more likely to be racist/homophobic

Unfortunately, confirming this would require a study with a sample size in the millions (since people four standards above the mean are essentially unicorns)

I prefer to think that I and my father are the exceptions to the rule due to an as of yet undiscovered, extremely rare genetic mutation (admittedly just speculation on my part) that increases both intelligence and in-group bias substantially

could be that, but I feel as if what was said above could hold truth to it

 

[4sez]

no, because I was a child once too

Then you got touched by your uncle

 

[Zer0/∞]

Why do you sound like Mistersinister?

 

[pedrolopezwasright]

I am very homophobic and racist (not IRL obviously)

Same(IRL too)

 

[pedrolopezwasright]

I always found it endlessly fascinating that despite the endless publications of the correlation between high IQ and liberalism, both me and my father possess some or several beliefs that could be construed as far right (not conservatism).

Perhaps this is due to a lifetime of living in a different environment/culture??? (while that is the case for my father, I grew up in the modern West, so perhaps not)

Perhaps it is due to a rare genetic mutation that increases intelligence while simultaneously increasing ethnic tribalism (Similar to Ashkenazi Jews lol) + obsession with reproduction in tandem (explains homophobia since it lowers fertility)???


My IQ: +152 (+3.43 SD)

based on a composite score of nonverbal childhood cognitive test score + ASVAB army GT composite score

I am very homophobic and racist (not IRL obviously), desiring nothing but the establishment of a ruthless, global apartheid/eugenicist regime and the internment of all homosexuals into work camps based off of the Chinese treatment of Uyghurs (outright extermination would be economically wasteful)


My father's IQ: lower than 175 (<5 SD) 150-160 (3.33-4 SD)???

His score on the mathematics section of one of the world's hardest college admission test equated to a spectacular 1 in 3.5 MILLION level, which equated to a math IQ of 175: a whopping 5 standard deviations above the mean.

However, he is not as verbally gifted, being around my mother's level (anywhere from 120-130 in verbal IQ), so estimated composite IQ of 153-159???


My father would be considered very homophobic and racist by the standards of modern society: thinking homosexuality is a genetic dead end and that some races are genetically superior to others, although he wouldn't even begin to contemplate the extreme measures I would take due to being overly compassionate and selfless relative to the vast majority of other humans


@DarthBurritoBastard @pedrolopezwasright @Castaway @DarkStar @HeinzKell

I don't think highIQ is correlated with liberalism, rather highIQ far-right is underrepresented.

 

[4sez]

I don't think highIQ is correlated with liberalism, rather highIQ far-right is underrepresented.

Very significantly underrepresented.

 

[DarkStar]

I don't think highIQ is correlated with liberalism, rather highIQ far-right is underrepresented.

Very significantly underrepresented.

Yeah I agree, I believe in the horseshoe theory in this regard

essentially those who are above average or below average will be "racist"

A person's political beliefs are determined by their knowledge and experiences, reflected by their environment, rather than by their intelligence, which reflects their genetics. Personality, which is genetic, also influences the formation of political beliefs more than intelligence: individuals with masculine personalities are more likely to be right-wing than individuals with feminine personalities, who are more likely to be left-wing. Individuals with high IQs are more likely to grow up in wealthier households and communities and to end up in the world's top universities, which are hotbeds of far-left political activity and discourse, so it makes sense that individuals with high IQs are more likely to lean left.

wealth also breeds femininity, struggle breads masculinity

Brutal IQmog. Are you a richfag ?

I think I'm either below-average or above-average in terms of intelligence tbh

 

[Castaway]

I think I'm either below-average or above-average in terms of intelligence tbh

You've never taken a test? My IQ was officially tested at 117 as a child (I didn't try very hard on the test and didn't fully understand what it was for at the time), and according to the free Mensa Norway test online, my IQ is 133. This test is completely non-verbal, so my full scale IQ is probably in the low 120s, taking into account my lower verbal IQ.

 

[Rapistcel]

I always found it endlessly fascinating that despite the endless publications of the correlation between high IQ and liberalism, both me and my father possess some or several beliefs that could be construed as far right (not conservatism).

Perhaps this is due to a lifetime of living in a different environment/culture??? (while that is the case for my father, I grew up in the modern West, so perhaps not)

Perhaps it is due to a rare genetic mutation that increases intelligence while simultaneously increasing ethnic tribalism (Similar to Ashkenazi Jews lol) + obsession with reproduction in tandem (explains homophobia since it lowers fertility)???


My IQ: +152 (+3.43 SD)

based on a composite score of nonverbal childhood cognitive test score + ASVAB army GT composite score

I am very homophobic and racist (not IRL obviously), desiring nothing but the establishment of a ruthless, global apartheid/eugenicist regime and the internment of all homosexuals into work camps based off of the Chinese treatment of Uyghurs (outright extermination would be economically wasteful)


My father's IQ: lower than 175 (<5 SD) 150-160 (3.33-4 SD)???

His score on the mathematics section of one of the world's hardest college admission test equated to a spectacular 1 in 3.5 MILLION level, which equated to a math IQ of 175: a whopping 5 standard deviations above the mean.

However, he is not as verbally gifted, being around my mother's level (anywhere from 120-130 in verbal IQ), so estimated composite IQ of 153-159???


My father would be considered very homophobic and racist by the standards of modern society: thinking homosexuality is a genetic dead end and that some races are genetically superior to others, although he wouldn't even begin to contemplate the extreme measures I would take due to being overly compassionate and selfless relative to the vast majority of other humans


@DarthBurritoBastard @pedrolopezwasright @Castaway @DarkStar @HeinzKell

Wokes are low IQ

 

[justuseless]

Was your dad incel

 

[DarkStar]

Was your dad incel

I imagine he was but since he's high-IQ he got some good job & attracted a foid that way

So we can say he's a "nearcel"

 

[Castaway]

I don't think highIQ is correlated with liberalism, rather highIQ far-right is underrepresented.

Yeah, most high IQ academics in universities today are either apolitical or left to far left cucks. Those who are far right and have a high IQ stay as far away from academia as possible, which is why they may fly under the radar in statistics.

 

[Rapistcel]

A person's political beliefs are determined by their knowledge and experiences, reflected by their environment, rather than by their intelligence, which reflects their genetics. Personality, which is genetic, also influences the formation of political beliefs more than intelligence: individuals with masculine personalities are more likely to be right-wing than individuals with feminine personalities, who are more likely to be left-wing. Individuals with high IQs are more likely to grow up in wealthier households and communities and to end up in the world's top universities, which are hotbeds of far-left political activity and discourse, so it makes sense that individuals with high IQs are more likely to lean left.

If you let the university teachers build your political believes it means you are low IQ

 

[Castaway]

If you let the university teachers build your political believes it means you are low IQ

Not only professors, but also their own peers. A high IQ doesn't make you immune to finding far-left ideologies attractive, otherwise there wouldn't have people like Noam Chomsky. As I said before, their personality can influence their political thinking, among other factors that have nothing to do with IQ.

Also, didn't you admit you're low IQ yourself? I don't think you should be the one talking about it when it comes to labeling other people, especially those who have managed to get into prestigious universities, as low IQ.

 

[Rapistcel]

Not only professors, but also their own peers. A high IQ doesn't make you immune to finding far-left ideologies attractive, otherwise there wouldn't have people like Noam Chomsky. As I said before, their personality can influence their political thinking, among other factors that have nothing to do with IQ.

Also, didn't you admit you're low IQ yourself? I don't think you should be the one talking about it when it comes to labeling other people, especially those who have managed to get into prestigious universities, as low IQ.

Anti natural ideologies like wokeism can only be supported by stupid people, I don't care how many degrees they have.

 

[Rapistcel]

Anti natural ideologies like wokeism can only be supported by stupid people, I don't care how many degrees they have.

Only a retarded could support the idea of troons being real women.

 

[Rapistcel]

Not only professors, but also their own peers. A high IQ doesn't make you immune to finding far-left ideologies attractive, otherwise there wouldn't have people like Noam Chomsky. As I said before, their personality can influence their political thinking, among other factors that have nothing to do with IQ.

Also, didn't you admit you're low IQ yourself? I don't think you should be the one talking about it when it comes to labeling other people, especially those who have managed to get into prestigious universities, as low IQ.

Fuck the intellectuals

Not only professors, but also their own peers. A high IQ doesn't make you immune to finding far-left ideologies attractive, otherwise there wouldn't have people like Noam Chomsky. As I said before, their personality can influence their political thinking, among other factors that have nothing to do with IQ.

Also, didn't you admit you're low IQ yourself? I don't think you should be the one talking about it when it comes to labeling other people, especially those who have managed to get into prestigious universities, as low IQ.

Not only professors, but also their own peers. A high IQ doesn't make you immune to finding far-left ideologies attractive, otherwise there wouldn't have people like Noam Chomsky. As I said before, their personality can influence their political thinking, among other factors that have nothing to do with IQ.

Also, didn't you admit you're low IQ yourself? I don't think you should be the one talking about it when it comes to labeling other people, especially those who have managed to get into prestigious universities, as low IQ.

There are homeless people that are actually more intelligent than universityfags. Rating intelligence of someone only basing on how good he is in academics is not correct.

 

[Rapistcel]

Also, didn't you admit you're low IQ yourself?

I don't believe in IQ as a thing, just use that term to make it easier for people understand what I mean.

 

[Horatio Alger]

Was your dad incel

No, he was a tall HTN.

A lot of females tried asking him out, but he was both socially inept and had high standards

 

[Castaway]

Anti natural ideologies like wokeism can only be supported by stupid people, I don't care how many degrees they have.

If they were stupid they wouldn't be relevant or in control. Sure, the average leftist is probably a midwit, but those who propagate leftist ideology and subversion are very intelligent and do so maliciously, which is exactly what makes them so dangerous. Do you really think Karl Marx was an idiot? No, he was most likely smarter than everyone on this forum.

 

[Rapistcel]

Do you really think Karl Marx was an idiot? No, he was most likely smarter than everyone on this forum.

Never said that and I wasn't talking about anything remotely related with him or his ideas.
I said that woke ideology is completely retarded.
Intelligent people who spread woke ideas do it because they have some kind of interest not because they truly believe that.

 

[Castaway]

There are homeless people that are actually more intelligent than universityfags. Rating intelligence of someone only basing on how good he is in academics is not correct.

The average Harvard student has an IQ between 125 and 130. They are there for a good reason: their cognitive abilities are superior to those of the general population. If you deny that going to an elite university makes you smart you’re retarded.

 

[Rapistcel]

The average Harvard student has an IQ between 125 and 130. They are there for a good reason: their cognitive abilities are superior to those of the general population. They are there for a good reason: their cognitive abilities are superior to those of the general population. If you deny that going to an elite university makes you smart you’re retarded.

That's a cope, I don't believe in IQ as a thing and I don't believe there is any way to rate the intelligence of someone.
People cope saying, "Oh I'm 120 IQ because this text says it", I just don't believe in that. Too much science copers in this forum.

 

[Rapistcel]

That's a cope, I don't believe in IQ as a thing and I don't believe there is any way to rate the intelligence of someone.
People cope saying, "Oh I'm 120 IQ because this text says it", I just don't believe in that. Too much science copers in this forum.

Science and studies

 

[Rapistcel]

If you deny that going to an elite university makes you smart you’re retarded.

You said that not getting laid is related with lower IQ. That's a truly retarded opinion

 

[Castaway]

Never said that and I wasn't talking about anything remotely related with him or his ideas.

He was the precursor to modern wokeism.

I said that woke ideology is completely retarded.
Intelligent people who spread woke ideas do it because they have some kind of interest not because they truly believe that.

That’s besides the point. Being intelligent doesn’t mean you can have stupid beliefs. Garry Kasparov is a Chess grandmaster and is a neoliberal cuck.

That's a cope, I don't believe in IQ as a thing and I don't believe there is any way to rate the intelligence of someone.
People cope saying, "Oh I'm 120 IQ because this text says it", I just don't believe in that. Too much science copers in this forum.

You’re only saying this because you probably have a below average IQ. IQ measures the speed and competence with which you perform cognitive tasks. Is it perfect for measuring intelligence? No, but it is better than anything else we have at the moment. IQ is correlated with excellence in fields like math and physics and with success in life in general. Could you name me a famous and successful scientist or writer with an IQ of 89? You couldn't, because people with such a low IQ are limited to basic cognitive ability.

You said that not getting laid is related with lower IQ. That's a truly retarded opinion

Never said that. Learn how to read.

 

[Rapistcel]

He was the precursor to modern wokeism.

He would have never agreed with what Frankfurt school and may of 1968 revisionists made to the left.

 

[Rapistcel]

He would have never agreed with what Frankfurt school and may of 1968 revisionists made to the left.

Woke left is literally the hegemonic ideology in western capitalist societies

 

[Castaway]

He would have never agreed with what Frankfurt school and may of 1968 revisionists made to the left.

That’s not the point. He created the basis for everything else that would come afterwards. Do you think the original philosophers of the Enlightenment would approve of modern day liberalism?

 

[Rapistcel]

That’s not the point. He created the basis for everything else that would come afterwards. Do you think the original philosophers of the Enlightenment would approve of modern day liberalism?

No, but you can't blame someone for a thing that was created by a group of people who tergiversed his ideas (changing and removing the most important things) much time after his death.

 

[Rapistcel]

That’s not the point. He created the basis for everything else that would come afterwards. Do you think the original philosophers of the Enlightenment would approve of modern day liberalism?

You can't categorize a man by what people have done in that man's name.

 

[Castaway]

No, but you can't blame someone for a thing that was created by a group of people who tergiversed his ideas (changing and removing the most important things) much time after his death

You can't categorize a man by what people have done in that man's name.

This is a completely different discussion, and we've gotten off on a tangent.

Most high IQ people who consider themselves "left wing" are not trans supporting woke types, but rather center-left liberals. Unless they're in a specific field that requires them to study politics, most of them aren't interested in politics, but focus on their specializations in STEM or other fields. Most people with high IQs outside of their specialization are not obsessive autists who constantly read about politics and political ideologies that are obscure by modern standards. Despite their high intelligence, most of them are normies when it comes to politics and only know the surface level.

 

[Rapistcel]

This is a completely different discussion, and we've gotten off on a tangent.

Most high IQ people who consider themselves "left wing" are not trans supporting woke types, but rather center-left liberals. Unless they're in a specific field that requires them to study politics, most of them aren't interested in politics, but focus on their specializations in STEM or other fields. Most people with high IQs outside of their specialization are not obsessive autists who constantly read about politics and political ideologies that are obscure by modern standards. Despite their high intelligence, most of them are normies when it comes to politics and only know the surface level.

I agree with you in this, you got a good point.

 

[pedrolopezwasright]

Yeah, most high IQ academics in universities today are either apolitical or left to far left cucks. Those who are far right and have a high IQ stay as far away from academia as possible, which is why they may fly under the radar in statistics.

Academia is cucked and foid empowering