Debate with Inceltears

[asdf1234]

So I floated an idea to have a debate with Inceltears in this thread: https://incels.is/Thread-Ideas-on-spreading-the-Blackpill

I think apart from the reasons of wanting to spread the blackpill, it'll just be a very entertaining event to look forward to. But before we go asking Inceltears for a debate, I need to see how much support there is for this sort of debate within our own forums first.

Now obviously not everything will go as planned, Inceltears could very well just derail the debate with emotional arguments rather than logical but I think that will play to our advantage as clever audience members will see through this. Inceltears might just reject the idea flat out and I know many of you will want to point that out to me, but just ignoring their response to this for now. What do you all think of a debate between Inceltears and Incels where the topic will focus on theories behind the Blackpill.

@blickpall also came up with some awesome ideas for where and how the debate should be held.

[font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Other than that, I think that the debate has to be on voice and not text chat. Text chat is too boring to follow and too much of an inconvenience to organize and is much less organic. Debates are better as an oratory exercise IMO. Voice modulators are available for those that are paranoid, and we can then stream/record and re-upload the content for further spread. As such, I think that the 5 minute rule could be good for opening statement and closing statement, but other than that it should follow a Team statement -> other team statement pattern. The other team can briefly discuss which member will respond to that specific issue, and then they will have the floor until they are done. Then the other team does the same. So on and so forth. [/font]

[font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I think that we need to start coming up with a list of topics that will be made available to both sides. Perhaps not for this post, but for future posts, if both our forum and their group agree to it. [/font]

[font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I don't think a neutral mod exists or would be available TBH. In a Discord, there is only ever one administrator. We can make him be an incel who is not participating and has the responsibility to be impartial, like one of the mods. Then he can also mod one of the IT people so that they can control stuff on their end as well. However, with voice and permissions, I don't see why it would be necessary to have all of that. You can give the 6 designated people the role "Debater" which grants them voice access, while everyone else can be listed as "Listener" which gives them hearing access but not speaking access.[/font]
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[font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]We will per the rules also need to organise 3 oral debaters from our side to compete against Inceltears so go ahead and nominate some people who you think will help us win the debate and you may of course nominate yourself.[/font]

 

[A Good Friend]

Go ahead, but it's a waste of time.

This knowledge comes exclusively through experience, not infographs.

If you debated wielding stone-cold facts in an eloquent manner, tits would still win. That's the real choice here. If I was a cucktear beta, I could believe your facts and be miserable or continue white knighting and chase pussy on a stick.

Whatever side has pussy as an incentive wins, as it should be.

 

[asdf1234]

Go ahead, but it's a waste of time.
This knowledge comes exclusively through experience, not infographs.
If you debated stone-cold facts in an eloquent manner, tits would still win. That's the real choice here. If I was a cucktear beta, I could believe your facts and be miserable or continue white knighting and chase pussy on a stick.
Whatever side has pussy as an incentive wins, as it should be.

That's never the point of the debate though. There are bound to be 100s of sexless males who have been fed the idea that inceltears puts forth that we're disgusting pedophiles etc. If we debate on the merit of hypergamy and how fucked a sub 5 truly is, it would open up their eyes.

If Inceltears bringup bullshit irrelevant shit flinging, all the better for us

 

[shadowsoulz125]

Debating with retards is pointless. They are too stupid to get your points irregardless.

 

[A Good Friend]

Go ahead, but it's a waste of time.
This knowledge comes exclusively through experience, not infographs.
If you debated stone-cold facts in an eloquent manner, tits would still win. That's the real choice here. If I was a cucktear beta, I could believe your facts and be miserable or continue white knighting and chase pussy on a stick.
Whatever side has pussy as an incentive wins, as it should be.

That's never the point of the debate though. There are bound to be 100s of sexless males who have been fed the idea that inceltears puts forth that we're disgusting pedophiles etc. If we debate on the merit of hypergamy and how fucked a sub 5 truly is, it would open up their eyes.
If Inceltears bringup bullshit irrelevant shit flinging, all the better for us

It's your time, man. I'm just saying, you're better off kicking a wall for four hours. If you want to help people, you're a better cel than I.

 

[idkwattodowithlife]

They just want drama. They get off our sufferings. They're just there for entertainment, like no way they want to learn... I've actually tried debating them, a few days ago. I've debated a bit in their threads, but as soon as I made my thead, like BAM, it got deleted lol.

 

[asdf1234]

@A_Good_Friend

I just think it'll be hella fun especially to listen to.

@shadowsoulz125
"That's never the point of the debate though. There are bound to be 100s of sexless males who have been fed the idea that inceltears puts forth that we're disgusting pedophiles etc. If we debate on the merit of hypergamy and how fucked a sub 5 truly is, it would open up their eyes.

If Inceltears bringup bullshit irrelevant shit flinging, all the better for us"

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They just want drama. They get off our sufferings. They're just there for entertainment, like no way they want to learn... I've actually tried debating them, a few days ago. I've debated a bit in their threads, but as soon as I made my thead, like BAM, it got deleted lol.

That's why we need a neutral platform and rules.

And I just think it'll be a lot of fun more than anything

 

[blickpall]

Personally I'm still on the fence about the issue, partially because I think it would be giving them too much credit in the first place. I don't think we need to acknowledge their presence as often as we do already.

However, I do think a debate can be fun/funny. That's the main reason why I'm voting "yes," and I'm contributing to the discussion in case other people are actually interested in the idea because I think it would be helpful to have a concrete plan going forward and not just a bunch of affirmative votes.

As for who should argue, I think some of our older and more educated members would be the obvious choice, as well as those who have been around for a while and can prepare a stacked portfolio of black pill resources. Off the top of my head, I'd have to call on @Red Shambhala, @Tempus Edax Rerum , @Ryo_Hazuki to help contribute (if I recall he is not comfortable over voice, so purely for fact gathering), @Zyros could be a good addition because of his added perspective on the matter, perhaps @sepelion as well as he has given some quality posts recently. I'd have to double check my weekly highlights again to see who has been consistently making strong points so far, although I admit my data collection isn't perfect in that regard. @SergeantIncel would be the obvious choice for the neutral Discord admin, but I have a lot of experience with managing permissions so I could help set it up as well. I'm blanking on a bunch of other people right now, I'm sure, but I think that those names so far are decent representatives of the community.

To add to my ideas above:

1. Voice modulators can be experimented with and used to protect anonymity. Making new Discord accounts is already easy.

2. We make the role "Debater" which is given voice in the "Debate" voice channel, while all non-roled users can only listen.

3. We would need a dedicated person to stream the debate, and then upload it to their YouTube (or a separate Incels.me-specific YouTube, maybe?).

4. The teams can be in private text channels in the server that are only accessible by them and the moderator to coordinate counter-arguments while the other side is talking and to determine who will be presenting the counter-argument.

5. I think a "Q&A" session might be helpful as well - where they can ask us questions, we can ask them questions. Separate from debate - follow-up questions could be asked.

 

[Deleted member 1546]

I've thought about this before. Although I though about us voting on a delegate who best represents the incel community and then send them to do an AMA on behalf of this forum on inceltears.

As for a debate de would need to find the tops minds of inceldom, and then overwhelm them with blackpills in preparation for the debate. We would need a date, time, and forum as well.

 

[uglylifematters]

I want to see it but it don't know if it will work. The idea of the blackpill is to see things how they truly are, not how you want them to be. This concept is IMPOSSIBLE for women, and many average guys are too cucked and/or naïve to be blackpilled. still would want to see what would happen if an actual debate happened though tbh

 

[A Good Friend]

I vote we forget about them entirely and focus our efforts on building a giant laser to TAKE OVER THE TRI-STATE AREA!!!!

 

[uglylifematters]

I vote we forget about them entirely and focus our efforts on building a giant laser to TAKE OVER THE TRI-STATE AREA!!!!

lmao agreed

 

[jagged0]

Let's do it! @Sergeantincel @Master @blickpall @Ryo_Hazuki @retarded_dumbshit

 

[idkwattodowithlife]

@mental_out @gstvrp (ah can't spell his name)

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

Wtf! Nooooooo.

Don’t debate them. They are idiots. Remember how they banned us?

We should ip ban them on spot. Make them hide and be afraid to speak up.

Would jews debate nazis? No! There is nothing to debate. Fuck those guys

 

[Framecel222]

It won't accomplish anything because they've all consumed lethal levels of bluepill, however I still think we should do it just for fun.

 

[Battlefield3cel]

Wtf! Nooooooo.

Don’t debate them. They are idiots. Remember how they banned us?

We should ip ban them on spot. Make them hide and be afraid to speak up.

Would jews debate nazis? No! There is nothing to debate. Fuck those guys

Sign the treaty of Versailles with them

 

[Deleted member 1546]

What exactly would we debate? There has to be some specific topic or question to contend over. It can't just be some vague argument about everything and anything incel.

 

[blickpall]

What exactly would we debate? There has to be some specific topic or question to contend over. It can't just be some vague argument about everything and anything incel.

I think that we need to start coming up with a list of topics that will be made available to both sides. Perhaps not for this post, but for future posts, if both our forum and their group agree to it.

 

[Deleted member 1546]

If we win inceltears should be shut down.

 

[blickpall]

If we win inceltears should be shut down.

I don't think anyone can win.

 

[Deleted member 1546]

I don't think anyone can win.

If we win each of us gets an escort of our choice on their dime.

 

[blickpall]

If we win each of us gets an escort of our choice on their dime.

We must win this.

 

[Richard spencer]

Inceltears do not want to debate they are a bluepill circle jerk that will ban anyone who disagree with them on anything e.g trannys not being a woman.

 

[Hunter]

bring up the tinder experiments. make sure to use the photo evidence of ray the child rapist aged 23 who got tons of swipes overnight.

 

[asdf1234]

I say no because IT users don't debate they just throw around insults and ad hominem attacks so why waste anyones time?

That works in our favour actually, if they do that, people who will be viewing the debate would see how retarded they are and be more inclined to us.

But at the end of the day, I doubt they will resort to shit flinging.

 

[asdf1234]

That works in our favour actually, if they do that, people who will be viewing the debate would see how retarded they are and be more inclined to us.
But at the end of the day, I doubt they will resort to shit flinging.

They ALWAYS resort to shit flinging, usually by putting on a "lolol i trolle u i neva cared any wey" persona whenever they start losing, it's completely pointless.

See that's the point of the debate though, I was hoping we can blackpill a bunch of people who would be watching from the sidelines.

 

[NekoStance]

Debating inceltears would be like shouting at a brick wall

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

I'd be down to debate them, but only by voice, not by text.

 

[asdf1234]

I'd be down to debate them, but only by voice, not by text.

Awesome, there will probably be a selection process if this goes down. And yeah, we're thinking of doing a voice debate.

 

[bkdreamkb]

Its over for them. There is no debate that could change that.

They are just way too unintelligent

 

[Timothy2:12]

I already know what they'll say: "OMG are you serious?" "like, how can you think like that?" "so you also think that about your own mother?"

 

[justforlulzandkeks]

No. Don't give them attention. Besides, they are retarded any way

 

[Themisterpepsi]

That's seem too welcoming of normies

Dont need them posting on other shit

 

[Mahlo]

I'll debate them, no sweat. Though, I can't see it being of any use to either side. Goalposts will be given wheels, ad hominem will abound and there will be no way to keep track of what exactly is being said.

There will also be a lot of "Do you really think it's Impossible for an ugly guy to get a girl?" which will lead to the Incel arguer to back down (Fucking impossible? really?) Which to a normalfag's ears sounds like you "lost". One would have to set the framework of dating before working in the empathetic angle.

 

[Octopusgun2]

My ideas :

1- No anecdotal evidence such as “I have seen” or “There’s this guy I know”, etc...Using anecdotal evidence is considered an automatic defeat and the debate stops there (or maybe 1 chance)

2- I would also like to see @FACEandLMS in the debate but he goes too easy on his opponents online so i’m not entirely sure.

3- The livestream should be hosted on FACEandLMS’s YT channel as it’s the most popular PSLI channel on YT

4- Moderator should be neutral and not say a word

5- No insulting or resorting to emotions rather than logic

6- No point should be ignored, you can’t answer or refute only a part of what the opponent says

7- No live chat as it’s annoying

8- No ganging up (the debate should be a 1v1 or 2v2)

 

[Deleted member 1627]

No point incel tears will just ignore everything we say and blame it on our personalities. Pretty much like talking to a wall

 

[TheIncelPill]

I think it would be a great opportunity to spread the Black Pill. Just make sure you know your shit before entering, or you'll make all of us look like fucking FOOLS.

 

[blickpall]

Okay @alsalsk it seems that as of now there is a narrow margin voting "yes." I think now your next step would be to contact inceltears with a proposition and make a new thread with a strawpoll of every user suggested to represent the forum in the poll, which allows people to vote for up to 3 (or unlimited if 3 is not an option) people. Just my suggestion - let me know what you think and I'll pin the next thread if you decide to go this route.

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

How do we know that they're willing to engage us in conversation?

Either way I think I'd make a good candidate. I'm 5'5", have been going to the gym for over two years and I have several female friends and good social skills. I can serve as a classic example of how the black pill is real.

 

[Grotesque]

I know that they don't want to engage with us in conversation.

The only way we should be talking about IncelTears is to mock them.

 

[blickpall]

How do we know that they're willing to engage us in conversation?

We don't, but @alsalsk and I thought it might be a good idea to see how the community at large felt about it first before we approached them.

 

[Deleted member 776]

If you want to by all means. These people are so in denial and so helplessly dependent on THE COPE. That even being red pilled could be lethal to them. Let alone getting a black pill shoved up their tight arses.

 

[asdf1234]

@blickpall


I messaged their mods this:

"[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Okay, so this may come as a surprise post to you all (or some of you might have seen it already) but I proposed the idea of a debate between Incels and Inceltears on incels.is[/font]
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]The post can be found here: https://incels.is/Thread-Debate-with-Inceltears[/font]
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Look, you guys/girls costantly tell us how wrong we are and I think we should settle it in a debate. Many of the people on Incels.me are against the idea because they think your debaters will just fling insults and 'emotional arguments' but I think there can actually be some thoughtful debate between us.[/font]
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]The details of the debate can be found in the thread but the general idea is:[/font]
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]3 elected members from each side. Each with be presented time to present their arguments Debate should revolve STRICTLY around Incel topics such as Blackpill, Hypergamy, Incel Delusions, Misogyny etc Debate should be held through voice call on discord[/font]
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Anyway. here are the terms, let me know what you folks think. Happy to negotiate terms if reasonable."[/font]

They would probably just delete my post if I had made it so I contacted the mods first. It's in their hands now for what will happen next.

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How do we know that they're willing to engage us in conversation?
Either way I think I'd make a good candidate. I'm 5'5", have been going to the gym for over two years and I have several female friends and good social skills. I can serve as a classic example of how the black pill is real.

You def seem eager, and we could definitely use some debaters who aren't socially retarded like myself.

 

[Grotesque]

Porky is just going to make a thread mocking this.

You should have told her that I'd fuck her thirsty fat ass.

 

[Indari]

The only form of communication we should have with cucktears is telling them to neck themselves

 

[ArtoriasWolf]

Do inceltear members have nothing better to do? Are their lives so shit they have to search for others with even shittier lives?

 

[nausea]

I know that they don't want to engage with us in conversation.

The only way we should be talking about IncelTears is to mock them.

or don't talk with them at all

 

[Grotesque]

Do inceltear members have nothing better to do? Are their lives so shit they have to search for others with even shittier lives?

Yes. As I'm learning now, there's tons of these people.

 

[TheIncelPill]

Hey if there is seriously going to be a debate between us id love to offer anything i can contribute. I feel i know a decent deal about evo-psyche, and can help prep anyone who may enter this debate unprepared.