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Theory Dating in Real Life and the Poisoned Well Problem

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The dating app data is frequently cited to prove the blackpill. To this, normies reply that Tinder is not real life, and that you should date in real life. The problem with this all-too-easy dismissal is at least twofold:
1. The majority of couples under 30 meet on dating apps; and
2. The Tinder spillover effect — dating apps have an effect even when not directly used. Meaning, a woman may have a Tinder profile and is matched with a chad. They have a match but no chat yet. Then the woman goes to a party. She meets a normie there but is not receptive to the normie's romantic advances because she is waiting for the chad. Were Tinder simply not there, the chad would be inaccessible and the normie would be good enough. In this scenario, the normie fails because of the mere existence of Tinder despite not using the app himself and trying to date in real life.

But for the sake of the argument, let's accept the premise that there could be advantages to dating in real life. There even is a non-stupid blackpill way to accept this, say, voice. We often talk about face and height, but if you're a squeaky voicecel, it will be quite brutal for you as well. So, let's assume then you're a facecel and voicemogger at the same time. On Tinder, women can see your face but can't hear your voice. In real life they can, so this is to your advantage. This is not that important to the larger point to follow; I just wanted to put out there. Let's just say you try to meet women in real life now.

You can either:
1. Cold approach — try to talk to women you don't know at all at parks, cafes, malls, bars, or clubs; or
2. Warm approach — try to talk to women you know somewhat in your university class, workplace, or dance class, were you to go to a dance class.

The upsides of cold approach are that it is potentially unlimited number-wise. And the cost of rejection is only psychological. Meaning, you approach the woman, she frowns in disgust, you feel humiliated, but you can just walk off and that's that, the end of the situation; you will never meet her again. The downside is that cold approaching is virtually useless. Meaning, you don't know a single couple who has met like that. Your peers are meeting online, your parents met in a warm approach situation.

So, warm approach it is. But here comes the poisoned well. Meaning, let's say you try to chat up a woman in your class. She rejects you, but unlike the cold approach scenario, there are further consequences. She will definitely tell everyone, and I mean everyone. This rejection is a public event via women's thirst for gossip. Bluepilled reasoning would have you thinking that this simply ruins your chances with other women in the setting. And it's kind of true, but were you a chad, this would not matter. The bigger reason is not your chances with other women being ruined, but the whole environment being poisoned. You will get dirty looks from men as well now; it will be awful. But it could be even worse. Say it's the UK and it's a workplace. You can get sacked in a scenario like this.

At this point, bluepilled normies who stress "kindness" as a prime virtue would paradoxically be enticed to bring out their inner Andrew Tate. "Be a man, simply stop giving a fuck." But why do you now talk like a person you opposed so strongly just a minute ago? Curious. And "simply not giving a fuck" is really terrible advice. You should give plenty of fucks about your social environment, as it is the number one predictor of psychological well-being. Many of us are depressed just because we have zero affirmative and positive cues from people around us. The biggest problem of inceldom is loneliness. And now you request making this problem worse. Fuck you.
 
"simply not giving a fuck" is really terrible advice. You should give plenty of fucks about your social environment, as it is the number one predictor of psychological well-being.
Very true.
 
nd "simply not giving a fuck" is really terrible advice. You should give plenty of fucks about your social environment, as it is the number one predictor of psychological well-being.
Not giving a fuck leads to "Your approach is wrong" or "You're being creepy", can't win with these fuckers.
 
The Tinder spillover effect — dating apps have an effect even when not directly used. Meaning, a woman may have a Tinder profile and is matched with a chad. They have a match but no chat yet. Then the woman goes to a party. She meets a normie there but is not receptive to the normie's romantic advances because she is waiting for the chad. Were Tinder simply not there, the chad would be inaccessible and the normie would be good enough. In this scenario, the normie fails because of the mere existence of Tinder despite not using the app himself and trying to date in real life.
Even if she doesnt have tinder and never had it, she still knows that she could have it and get matches with someone better then the guy approaching her
There even is a non-stupid blackpill way to accept this, say, voice. We often talk about face and height, but if you're a squeaky voicecel, it will be quite brutal for you as well.
Tbh Im kinda bluepilled on voicepill from some of my friends with extreme squeaky voice getting girlfriends, even with average faces
 
First of all, must read worthy.


2. The Tinder spillover effect — dating apps have an effect even when not directly used. Meaning, a woman may have a Tinder profile and is matched with a chad. They have a match but no chat yet. Then the woman goes to a party. She meets a normie there but is not receptive to the normie's romantic advances because she is waiting for the chad. Were Tinder simply not there, the chad would be inaccessible and the normie would be good enough. In this scenario, the normie fails because of the mere existence of Tinder despite not using the app himself and trying to date in real life.
Literally the way people met and married before the "SeXuAl ReVoLuTiOn". Tinder fucked up the culture, but normies would never admit it.

The upsides of cold approach are that it is potentially unlimited number-wise. And the cost of rejection is only psychological. Meaning, you approach the woman, she frowns in disgust, you feel humiliated, but you can just walk off and that's that, the end of the situation; you will never meet her again. The downside is that cold approaching is virtually useless. Meaning, you don't know a single couple who has met like that. Your peers are meeting online, your parents met in a warm approach situation.
Cold approaching is not a thing irl and has never been a thing JFL, it is quite literally only a PUA shit for redpill gurus to sell courses to incels.

So, warm approach it is. But here comes the poisoned well. Meaning, let's say you try to chat up a woman in your class. She rejects you, but unlike the cold approach scenario, there are further consequences. She will definitely tell everyone, and I mean everyone. This rejection is a public event via women's thirst for gossip. Bluepilled reasoning would have you thinking that this simply ruins your chances with other women in the setting. And it's kind of true, but were you a chad, this would not matter. The bigger reason is not your chances with other women being ruined, but the whole environment being poisoned. You will get dirty looks from men as well now; it will be awful. But it could be even worse. Say it's the UK and it's a workplace. You can get sacked in a scenario like this.
Spot on, and it is something nobody really understands. When you warm approach someone you're risking your whole social environment these days.

At this point, bluepilled normies who stress "kindness" as a prime virtue would paradoxically be enticed to bring out their inner Andrew Tate. "Be a man, simply stop giving a fuck." But why do you now talk like a person you opposed so strongly just a minute ago?
It's because of something I call the "Myth-Theodicy Paradox". First, normies neck-deep into the system will try to sell you the same Myth the system sells them: "just warm/cold approach bro" "just looksmax bro" etc. Then, when it does not work, the Myth dissolves into a Theodicy: "Oh why do you even care bro" "Ew that is incel-speak" "idk man, maybe change your personality". Thus the system can maintain itself and normies can go to sleep at night, unknowing of the truth. There is nothing logical in this, there is no logic at all.

And "simply not giving a fuck" is really terrible advice. You should give plenty of fucks about your social environment, as it is the number one predictor of psychological well-being. Many of us are depressed just because we have zero affirmative and positive cues from people around us. The biggest problem of inceldom is loneliness. And now you request making this problem worse. Fuck you.
???? Inkie, you're depressed because you deserve it, because you're an incel dipshit and I hope everything bad happens to you because you're le very bad !!! Muh Just World !!! jfl Don't you dare say that there are external and possibly systemic causes for psycho-pathologies, you'd make a lot of blue haired faggy therapists mad, they want you to believe that everything is your fault, because ultimately, the most primitive of the dualisms, Determinism-Free Will, is a juxtaposition of a Myth and a Theodicy in itself. TLDR: people acknowledge external factors only when it benefits their narrative.



good post
 
Bluepillers and foids don't believe in their own preachings, they intentionally gaslight incels for the sake of mockery, to see us further struggle and have "fun" of it
 
I will add that in the warm approach scenario the best you can expect from a woman are weak choosing signals, like smiling or standing in the proximity. And these are unreliable. They could mean romantic interest or they could not. It could be that the woman drops the "you misunderstood, I like you as a friend" and runs off the human resources department to complain. By the way, the very notion of "friendzone" proves the blackpill. You have a good personality so she likes you "as a friend" but you are ugly so she "does not feel that way." Were you to really have a terrible personality, the first part would not be even uttered. Anyway, strong, reliable choosing signals like complementing looks or touching elbows are chad only so you are always in the dark.
 
Bluepillers and foids don't believe in their own preachings, they intentionally gaslight incels for the sake of mockery, to see us further struggle and have "fun" of it
Toilets advice is... for the toilets... .
 
Women don't know what attracts women because they are not in the business of attracting women. Lesbians are not real.
lesbianism is the coping mode of toilets when chad is not around.... .
 
Why is it so socially unacceptable for men to approach women though?
Why is it so socially unthinkable that a sub-chad man wants to have sex with a woman? While at the same time promiscuity is the norm and body count supposedly doesn't matter.
You'd think modern women are easy going and cool about casual sex, but that's only the case with chad. When a sub-chad man approaches, women suddenly turn into chaste prudes, so terrified of the prospect of penis in vagina 😲😲🫢🫢 like it's the most vile idea ever :horror::horror::horror::horror: meanwhile they are okay with sucking chad's cock after it's been in her rectum.

Why can't approaching be as simple as:
:incel: "Hey do you want to have sex?"
:foidSoy: "No"
:incel: "Okay"
And that's it, no fuss and no drama. Why can't it be so simple? Why must women make such a big deal out of a very basic physiological activity?
I could understand their reactions a hundred years ago (but back then incel problems weren't even a thing)
But nowadays, in times of condoms, birth control pills, and abortions? What's the big deal?
 

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