Discussion Considering religion more seriously lately

[AdamII]

I've been for a long time in a conflict regarding adopting a more orthodox religious lifestyle. I've been a NEET for the past 3 years and I'm mentally incapable of going outside too much.
[UWSL]I've been lately mildly invested in the existential philosophy of Joseph B. Soloveitchik, particularly his text "the lonely man of faith", in which he presents a life of piety and solitude as an alternative to dignity and success; Soloveitchik encourages us to see the magical grace of the mute cosmos, and embrace modesty and wonder, instead of searching for control and validation.[/UWSL]
This entire way of life has been extremely appealing to me, as through the past 2 years I've become more and more magnetized by Jewish philosophy, Hasidic philosophy and Kabbalah.
It seems like religious lifestyle would be the solution to all my problems and give me true and genuine fulfillment that could not really be acquired in our contemporary secular society.
On the other hand, it would be extremely difficult to become religious while living as a NEET with my secular parents. For instance, being a Shomer Shabbos would be practically impossible, since my parents use electricity on Shabbos. Also, going to a synagogue is difficult for me as someone with social anxiety and other problems.
I don't know if it would be too late for me to do teshuva when I'm old, and I don't know if i may have arranged marriage if i do it too late.
To me, becoming pious is a part of making peace with my loneliness. So I suppose that the more I age the more observant I will be able to become.
I'm sure christian/muslim incels in here face similar problems and considerations and I wonder whether if it occured to anyone else in here that piety could be an escape route from the unsavory life of inceldom

 

[Deleted member 6214]

Do whatever helps you cope brocel

 

[Escthectrler]

God isn't real graycel

 

[Sennacherib]

I don't believe that a supreme being that never makes mistakes exists because if that were the case i wouldn't be alive.
Religion doesn't mean shit to me.

God isn't real graycel

 

[AdamII]

I don't believe that a supreme being that never makes mistakes exists because if that were the case i wouldn't be alive.
Religion doesn't mean shit to me.

I think the perception of a God who makes no mistakes depends on what religious tradition you choose. In my religion God is contracted away from this world so that pain and despair could exist. Hence in Litvak Judaism, unlike other traditions, God is rather absent than present.
So my melancholy is inscribed into my piety

 

[Deleted member 35110]

Religion is a good cope

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

This entire way of life has been extremely appealing to me, as through the past 2 years I've become more and more magnetized by Jewish philosophy, Hasidic philosophy and Kabbalah.

Here’s how my Jewish life is going bro.

Being a kike is hell on Earth

I was super depressed and didn’t want to get up from bed today, but my dad started pinching me while in bed to force me awake to go to the synagogue. Fuck this sand nigger religion worshipping a sand nigger kike God. Being a kike is hell on Earth, literally can’t even ldar because my sand...

neets.me

 

[Caesercel]

its a good cope and works for many. Just submitting yourself to the supreme being gives a sense of freedom and security. Just be ready to have a lot of suspense of disbelief. If you're analytically bent like me you'll have trouble with faith. Prayer itself is a good cope, it mimicks meditation and can bring positive mental affects.

 

[AdamII]

Here’s how my Jewish life is going bro.

Being a kike is hell on Earth

I was super depressed and didn’t want to get up from bed today, but my dad started pinching me while in bed to force me awake to go to the synagogue. Fuck this sand nigger religion worshipping a sand nigger kike God. Being a kike is hell on Earth, literally can’t even ldar because my sand...

neets.me

Dunno man I guess it's a matter of motivation

 

[BlkPillPres]

I've been for a long time in a conflict regarding adopting a more orthodox religious lifestyle. I've been a NEET for the past 3 years and I'm mentally incapable of going outside too much.
[UWSL]I've been lately mildly invested in the existential philosophy of Joseph B. Soloveitchik, particularly his text "the lonely man of faith", in which he presents a life of piety and solitude as an alternative to dignity and success; Soloveitchik encourages us to see the magical grace of the mute cosmos, and embrace modesty and wonder, instead of searching for control and validation.[/UWSL]
This entire way of life has been extremely appealing to me, as through the past 2 years I've become more and more magnetized by Jewish philosophy, Hasidic philosophy and Kabbalah.
It seems like religious lifestyle would be the solution to all my problems and give me true and genuine fulfillment that could not really be acquired in our contemporary secular society.
On the other hand, it would be extremely difficult to become religious while living as a NEET with my secular parents. For instance, being a Shomer Shabbos would be practically impossible, since my parents use electricity on Shabbos. Also, going to a synagogue is difficult for me as someone with social anxiety and other problems.
I don't know if it would be too late for me to do teshuva when I'm old, and I don't know if i may have arranged marriage if i do it too late.
To me, becoming pious is a part of making peace with my loneliness. So I suppose that the more I age the more observant I will be able to become.
I'm sure christian/muslim incels in here face similar problems and considerations and I wonder whether if it occured to anyone else in here that piety could be an escape route from the unsavory life of inceldom

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

 

[Mahmood-Silver]

I think God doesn't exist because his existence doesn't make any sense with all that evil in the world bu[UWSL]t religion exists and it is good for coping. It doesn't matter what religion, they are all good. Religion gives you a sense of living and makes your life organized like praying and meditating from a time to a time. The based teachings of religion give you a strong spiritual energy to face modern society and help you to make your own moral code.[/UWSL]

Without religion, it is nihilism.
Nihilism = suicide

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Do whatever helps you cope brocel

What guy above me posted %.

I think God doesn't exist because his existence doesn't make any sense with all that evil in the world bu[UWSL]t religion exists and it is good for coping. It doesn't matter what religion, they are all good. Religion gives you a sense of living and makes your life organized like praying and meditating from a time to a time. The based teachings of religion give you a strong spiritual energy to face modern society and help you to make your own moral code.[/UWSL]

Without religion, it is nihilism.
Nihilism = suicide

Imo world being a shitty place doesn't necessarily mean no God. Just means not a benevolent God.

I also agree religion can be good cope. I am pseduo buddhist and gnostic. Not exactly one or the other but a mix of the two beliefs with some other stuff. I believe in the existence of pleasure worlds from Pure Land buddhism, and believe it is possible to astral project there with enough practice and effort. It's a very good cope.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Nihilism = suicide

Please stop conflating nihilism with defeatism

[Hard To Swallow Edition] People Often Falsely Conflate Nihilism & Defeatism (If You Aren't A Nihilist You Aren't Truly Black Pilled)

THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN NIHILISM AND DEFEATISM Conflating these two things is something I often see done on this site, especially by idiot NEETs Its also done by normies when I talk about nihilistic perspectives on various issues I am a nihilist and I despise defeatist rhetoric (which you see...

incels.is

So I think I need to make this clear so that this nonsense can stop:
Nihilism - "The rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless"
Defeatism - "The acceptance of defeat without struggle, often with negative connotations"

Accepting that life is meaningless doesn't mean - "well I have to give up on everything I want now and do nothing"

This is the BS I keep seeing peddled all over this forum, which is 100% false

Nihilism is an observation of reality not a decree of defeatist life choices (which is what defeatism is)

Whether life has meaning or not food still tastes good, sleep still feels refreshing, sex still feels amazing, entertainment is still entertaining, etc, etc, meaning isn't required to enjoy life

I think that is the "root lie" that makes people conflate nihilism and defeatism, the lie that meaning is required to enjoy life, it isn't, all one needs for an enjoyable life, is to have a relatively constant supply of their brain's reward system doing what it does best, that's all, since what causes the reward system to function is you keeping yourself safe and satisfied

 

[Transcended Trucel]

either god doesnt exist or he is evil/indifferent about us

but if a religious community helps you cope and move forward in life then go for it

Buddhism and a few other religions ignore the question of God straight up. There is no creation myth in buddhism, worlds just are the way they are. No clear beginning nor end.
Exception of some low IQ buddhist traditions.

 

[Mahmood-Silver]

Please stop conflating nihilism with defeatism

[Hard To Swallow Edition] People Often Falsely Conflate Nihilism & Defeatism (If You Aren't A Nihilist You Aren't Truly Black Pilled)

THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN NIHILISM AND DEFEATISM Conflating these two things is something I often see done on this site, especially by idiot NEETs Its also done by normies when I talk about nihilistic perspectives on various issues I am a nihilist and I despise defeatist rhetoric (which you see...

incels.is

Nihilism and defeatism are tow sides of the same coin.
The moment you accept nihilism that makes you defeated so anything else you do is just a cope because for a Chad life isn't nihilistic.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Nihilism and defeatism are tow sides of the same coin.
The moment you accept nihilism that makes you defeated so anything else you do is just a cope because for a Chad life isn't nihilistic.

You are using circular logic, you might as well just say "I'm right because I'm right"

I literally gave you the definition of the two terms and you ignore that completely to just project your mindset onto everyone else

I'll say it again, Nihilism is an observation of reality, not a decree of defeatist life choices (which is what defeatism is)

You don't get to blame the truth being revealed to you as an excuse for you to give up on all other paths in life, giving up on the path that seems less likely to succeed is logical, giving up on all paths is completely illogical

Nihilism makes you want to do nothing and feel defeated, well that's you, don't project that BS onto others

Nihilsm has only motivated me more to pursue my goals because now I am not limited by modern day norms and values, and I can focus completely on my own desires. Nihilism allows you to rationalize living completely for yourself, I don't know why you are getting a defeatist interpretation out of it but that's just you

 

[Mahmood-Silver]

You are using circular logic, you might as well just say "I'm right because I'm right"

I literally gave you the definition of the two terms and you ignore that completely to just project your mindset onto everyone else

I'll say it again, Nihilism is an observation of reality, not a decree of defeatist life choices (which is what defeatism is)

You don't get to blame the truth being revealed to you as an excuse for you to give up on all other paths in life, giving up on the path that seems less likely to succeed is logical, giving up on all paths is completely illogical

Nihilism makes you want to do nothing and feel defeated, well that's you, don't project that BS onto others

Nihilsm has only motivated me more to pursue my goals because now I am not limited by modern day norms and values, and I can focus completely on my own desires. Nihilism allows you to rationalize living completely for yourself, I don't know why you are getting a defeatist interpretation out of it but that's just you

I am using simple realistic logic
Your definitions themselves contradicte what you say.
Nihilism = meaningless life = Defeatism = Coping.
Your definition says that life is meaningless then you claim that nihilism motivated you to find your own goals lol
Since life has no meaning so whatever you do is not a meaning, not a goal. You are just coping.
Saying that you focus on yourself is nothing more than a cope.
Since only defeated people cope then Nihilism = Defeatism.
Meaningful life is when you live without coping.
Chads and incels live in different dimensions. Chad life is meaningful. Incel life is meaningless.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Nihilism = meaningless life = Defeatism = Coping.

Whether life has meaning or not food still tastes good, sleep still feels refreshing, sex still feels amazing, entertainment is still entertaining, etc, etc, meaning isn't required to enjoy life

I think that is the "root lie" that makes people conflate nihilism and defeatism, the lie that meaning is required to enjoy life, it isn't, all one needs for an enjoyable life, is to have a relatively constant supply of their brain's reward system doing what it does best, that's all, since what causes the reward system to function is you keeping yourself safe and satisfied

YOU need meaning to enjoy life
I don't

I'll say it again, you are projecting

 

[deadpill]

allahu akbaru my bros

 

[CrackingYs]

God created inceldom.

Why would you worship a being who tortures you from the moment of conception for eternity, while letting Chad's and Stacey's live in heaven on earth without a care in the world, enjoying all the sex, money, success, fun, and debauchery they can handle?

 

[AdamII]

God created inceldom.

Why would you worship a being who tortures you from the moment of conception for eternity, while letting Chad's and Stacey's live in heaven on earth without a care in the world, enjoying all the sex, money, success, fun, and debauchery they can handle?

God is not necessarily an interventionist one. I guess the naïve "western" or "christian" perception of God is of a loving babysitter anthropomorphic God that redeems and incarnates, but in some other traditions God is rather contracted as a transcendental category.
Pain exists for joy to endure, and the night exists for the morning sun to break in.
This world is a contraction - a tzimtzum, that is falling apart and disintegrating for the divine reduction to kick in.
We should not expect God to love us or save us. We should acknowledge God's eminence and suppress our desires and standards, accepting this world in its imperfection. This is truly what noble life is, where will of power is discovered.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Pain exists for joy to endure, and the night exists for the morning sun to break in.

You are using circular logic so your argument is fallacious

You are basically saying "The world is at it was created to be"

Yeah no shit, but an ALL POWERFUL God has no limitations and therefore could create a world with ONLY JOY and ONLY SUN

So if suffering exists, IT DOES NOT EXIST OUT OF NECESSITY

The moment you try to impose necessity onto Gods actions you are ironically saying that he IS NOT ALL POWERFUL

This world is a contraction - a tzimtzum, that is falling apart and disintegrating for the divine reduction to kick in.
We should not expect God to love us or save us. We should acknowledge God's eminence and suppress our desires and standards, accepting this world in its imperfection. This is truly what noble life is, where will of power is discovered.

More subjective bullshit, you do realize you sound like the deluded kind of person who joins a cult right?

When I was young I was confused about how cults even formed and how a single man could get other men to let him fuck their wives, or convince groups of families to drink poison and die with him, and then later in life I realized people like you exist, and then its no longer hard to imagine

The majority of humans are born to be slaves, born to be simple minded and naive, born to be manipulated, and a select few are the ones who get to call the shots, because for the most part the average human is mentally like cattle and can easily be manipulated with emotional bullshit by preying on their desires, fears and insecurities

 

[Deleted member 35681]

I believe in White Sharia

 

[AdamII]

I believe in White Sharia

Based

 

[OwlGod]

that's classic sign of stockholm-syndrome