Confession from a grievance group runner.
I run servers for small anti-XMAF groups, ricecel sort of thing, so here's some of my confessions.
My Discord server has about 40 people, my X has about 300 followers, but the content reaches much further and resounds within the broader anti-XMAF/Asian network.
1. The group likely won't achieve anything
Realistically, what can a zero budget group do without breaking the laws? The biggest "achievement" such groups would have, would be spawning a mass shooter, albeit, this carries potential legal penalties and deplatformimg risks, so it is not wanted.
2. I cherry pick data
Say you have the following data. Here is how good each group's pain tolerance is:
Asians: 4/5
Whites: 5/5
Blacks: 2/5
I omit White dataset, so it looks like we are the best at something, even though we are not.
3. I take the middle ground
Sometimes, when it becomes impossible to deny something, I spin it.
Sure, my group isn't as good at this, but look, we are the most balanced, and we are good in other fields!!
4. Most of my members aren't that bright
Ironic because high IQ is one of the key points I constantly shill about for Asians. Lots of people in my group constantly get their accounts banned by making online threats and detailing graphic methods of how they will kill people.
They would say slurs after being told not to again and again, hence my Dyno log channel is spammed to the brim.
5. Truth is not that important
If an incident happened, let's say some Asian guy beaten someone up, even though it is objectively wrong, I spin it as correct.
A: it demonstrates our fighting power
B: they must have wronged us for us to attack
6. You have to be somewhat familiar with laws and play the word game
Making statements online is not that easy. Walking a fine line in the gray zone is important, and you have to refresh yourself on questions like "whether this falls within First Amendment? Risking conspiracy/threat charges?"
7. You can't push members too far
Another truth for grievance based groups — lots of people will call to plan attacks, discuss it, and hint at it. Firefighting is a thing that managers or leaders have to constantly do to prevent a member actually launching an attack.
Example (real chat logs pulled)
"User 1:
Gangs in America or [REDACTED] in general have guns here like maybe if we can do something like that, then we can arm ourselves against these guys etc
User 2:
I think all Asian men in [REDACTED] should form coalitions and travel to [REDACTED] with the intent of bringing law and order to those disgusting whites sex pat abominations."
8. You have to compromise
There will be lots of people with similar views as you, but may be more dogmatic or pragmatic; you have to reach a middle ground between them.
It's actually difficult for people to fit into boxes sometimes, so you have to be flexible.
Some people support AMWF, while some accept Hapas.
9. I just want friends and community
Why do I bother with teaching OPSEC, networking, managing servers, and writing daily posts? Because I just want to vent, and want friends. I have some people who would listen to my venting, and share the same core grievances.
10. Banning is expected, so the algorithm is your best friend
I have found that, many banned people easily return to our 'network' by following a few people.
In addition, the algorithms in X allow for psuedo-swarming of enemies without explicitly ordering for it. All you need to do is to follow each other, and your comrades will come to your aid under the comments, vice versa.
11. Lots of opponents don't have hostile intentions and are just like you
The algorithm pulls many opponents (wignat, other nationalists) together if they discuss similar things; over time, you will even have some friends you would consider opponents. Mediation is another game here; you have to be firm enough for outreach, yet not alienate your opponents.
Deliberately pro XMAF users are 100% enemies though, no exceptions.
12. Chatbots are great tools — use them
When you have to output large volume of content, chatbots become your best friends to check for cultural sensitivity, authenticity of information, and whether a post is likely to be protected under Brandenburg standard.
13. Respecting the law is the strongest OPSEC
The truth is, most people are bad with OPSEC in these groups; they constantly post share links from Instagram, show their faces, or tell everyone where they work. So you have to constantly teach them.
There are two OPSEC — social and law OPSEC.
You have to teach people to avoid information (social OPSEC) and avoid inciting attacks (law OPSEC)
14. Most people in these spaces are autistic losers
I do not mean that in an insulting way; I'm autistic myself, but there is a reason these groups' people share a certain pattern so well; they're angry at the world, jealous at those who have more, so they bond over the most effortless thing (To be honest, I am the same!).
I'm diagnosed with autism and ADHD; it's obvious who's autistic when you look at those people constantly focusing on the same topic again and again. Autism radar, I guess.
15. Many members are delusional
They look at historical countries and think that their daily lives would be the same, with modern amenities and freedom, in a "Utopia". I actually live in one of the authoritarian countries that those people idolize; sure, I love my country, but it's not as rosey as those people make it out to be, and countries bent their ideologies a lot (as I do) for pragmatic reasons.
For example, countries like Japan, praised for 'trad' and ethnostate, actually lets in Kurdish refugees and international students, and put WMAF hapas on a pedestal like that Kimi Onoda.
16. You have to structure your movement to be around a coherent goal
The more vague, conflicting the goal is, the more difficult is it to stabilize the group, so you will need to rally people around a point that's extremely popular among young people; nothing more, nothing less.
Instead of dismissing everything, I focus solely on anti-XMAF.
17. It's grievance first, ideology second
You see these super complicated ideologies in these groups, about how the group is enlightened or different, they're all fragile scaffolding for the core grievance.
18. Big changes will not happen, small ones may
In a world where countries heavily depend on each other, do you think you can really totally remove all foreign men from Asia? Changes can lead to pressure on these groups, maybe disadvantaging them, but nothing more.
My 'change' goal is to ruin the futures of XMAF with means like indirect discrimination with a vague excuse (non hire/rent), anonymously reporting them to sympathizers with power (like in Dalian Polytechnic University, which expelled a Chinese woman for hookups with a white man), and make them never live a happy day again, since it's not likely that systematic goals will be achieved, nor do I advocate breaking the laws so we'll have to do it indirectly.
19. Low control is the key
The days of 5 hour study sessions are done for; nowadays, they call this post organizational groups, where members have low power distance and a leader in one group can be a recruit in another. Nowadays, these groups are mostly venting or even gaming based (you'd be surprised at how many late 20s still play Roblox or Minecraft)
20. I do not regret; 9-6 forces me that way
I created a glorious "racially pure Asia" slop ideology for my group, but I share the same grievances.
Most of my members who constantly talk shit about the West will not hesitate for a snowbunny baddie.
Compromises, mediation, and crafting posts is fun for me. I get to have some friends and people to talk to after graduating info a job (admittedly a decent one); you don't have much energy leaving the home from 7am to returning in 8pm, so your phone, group, and comrades become your friends. Many people say leaders are manipulative and don't care, but I disagree; I've seen true friendships maintained; for example, a 'femboy' which we kicked, maintained contact with us and some members on another shared Discord server.
It's a restaurant in the hood, not a yacht club.
I run servers for small anti-XMAF groups, ricecel sort of thing, so here's some of my confessions.
My Discord server has about 40 people, my X has about 300 followers, but the content reaches much further and resounds within the broader anti-XMAF/Asian network.
1. The group likely won't achieve anything
Realistically, what can a zero budget group do without breaking the laws? The biggest "achievement" such groups would have, would be spawning a mass shooter, albeit, this carries potential legal penalties and deplatformimg risks, so it is not wanted.
2. I cherry pick data
Say you have the following data. Here is how good each group's pain tolerance is:
Asians: 4/5
Whites: 5/5
Blacks: 2/5
I omit White dataset, so it looks like we are the best at something, even though we are not.
3. I take the middle ground
Sometimes, when it becomes impossible to deny something, I spin it.
Sure, my group isn't as good at this, but look, we are the most balanced, and we are good in other fields!!
4. Most of my members aren't that bright
Ironic because high IQ is one of the key points I constantly shill about for Asians. Lots of people in my group constantly get their accounts banned by making online threats and detailing graphic methods of how they will kill people.
They would say slurs after being told not to again and again, hence my Dyno log channel is spammed to the brim.
5. Truth is not that important
If an incident happened, let's say some Asian guy beaten someone up, even though it is objectively wrong, I spin it as correct.
A: it demonstrates our fighting power
B: they must have wronged us for us to attack
6. You have to be somewhat familiar with laws and play the word game
Making statements online is not that easy. Walking a fine line in the gray zone is important, and you have to refresh yourself on questions like "whether this falls within First Amendment? Risking conspiracy/threat charges?"
7. You can't push members too far
Another truth for grievance based groups — lots of people will call to plan attacks, discuss it, and hint at it. Firefighting is a thing that managers or leaders have to constantly do to prevent a member actually launching an attack.
Example (real chat logs pulled)
"User 1:
Gangs in America or [REDACTED] in general have guns here like maybe if we can do something like that, then we can arm ourselves against these guys etc
User 2:
I think all Asian men in [REDACTED] should form coalitions and travel to [REDACTED] with the intent of bringing law and order to those disgusting whites sex pat abominations."
8. You have to compromise
There will be lots of people with similar views as you, but may be more dogmatic or pragmatic; you have to reach a middle ground between them.
It's actually difficult for people to fit into boxes sometimes, so you have to be flexible.
Some people support AMWF, while some accept Hapas.
9. I just want friends and community
Why do I bother with teaching OPSEC, networking, managing servers, and writing daily posts? Because I just want to vent, and want friends. I have some people who would listen to my venting, and share the same core grievances.
10. Banning is expected, so the algorithm is your best friend
I have found that, many banned people easily return to our 'network' by following a few people.
In addition, the algorithms in X allow for psuedo-swarming of enemies without explicitly ordering for it. All you need to do is to follow each other, and your comrades will come to your aid under the comments, vice versa.
11. Lots of opponents don't have hostile intentions and are just like you
The algorithm pulls many opponents (wignat, other nationalists) together if they discuss similar things; over time, you will even have some friends you would consider opponents. Mediation is another game here; you have to be firm enough for outreach, yet not alienate your opponents.
Deliberately pro XMAF users are 100% enemies though, no exceptions.
12. Chatbots are great tools — use them
When you have to output large volume of content, chatbots become your best friends to check for cultural sensitivity, authenticity of information, and whether a post is likely to be protected under Brandenburg standard.
13. Respecting the law is the strongest OPSEC
The truth is, most people are bad with OPSEC in these groups; they constantly post share links from Instagram, show their faces, or tell everyone where they work. So you have to constantly teach them.
There are two OPSEC — social and law OPSEC.
You have to teach people to avoid information (social OPSEC) and avoid inciting attacks (law OPSEC)
14. Most people in these spaces are autistic losers
I do not mean that in an insulting way; I'm autistic myself, but there is a reason these groups' people share a certain pattern so well; they're angry at the world, jealous at those who have more, so they bond over the most effortless thing (To be honest, I am the same!).
I'm diagnosed with autism and ADHD; it's obvious who's autistic when you look at those people constantly focusing on the same topic again and again. Autism radar, I guess.
15. Many members are delusional
They look at historical countries and think that their daily lives would be the same, with modern amenities and freedom, in a "Utopia". I actually live in one of the authoritarian countries that those people idolize; sure, I love my country, but it's not as rosey as those people make it out to be, and countries bent their ideologies a lot (as I do) for pragmatic reasons.
For example, countries like Japan, praised for 'trad' and ethnostate, actually lets in Kurdish refugees and international students, and put WMAF hapas on a pedestal like that Kimi Onoda.
16. You have to structure your movement to be around a coherent goal
The more vague, conflicting the goal is, the more difficult is it to stabilize the group, so you will need to rally people around a point that's extremely popular among young people; nothing more, nothing less.
Instead of dismissing everything, I focus solely on anti-XMAF.
17. It's grievance first, ideology second
You see these super complicated ideologies in these groups, about how the group is enlightened or different, they're all fragile scaffolding for the core grievance.
18. Big changes will not happen, small ones may
In a world where countries heavily depend on each other, do you think you can really totally remove all foreign men from Asia? Changes can lead to pressure on these groups, maybe disadvantaging them, but nothing more.
My 'change' goal is to ruin the futures of XMAF with means like indirect discrimination with a vague excuse (non hire/rent), anonymously reporting them to sympathizers with power (like in Dalian Polytechnic University, which expelled a Chinese woman for hookups with a white man), and make them never live a happy day again, since it's not likely that systematic goals will be achieved, nor do I advocate breaking the laws so we'll have to do it indirectly.
19. Low control is the key
The days of 5 hour study sessions are done for; nowadays, they call this post organizational groups, where members have low power distance and a leader in one group can be a recruit in another. Nowadays, these groups are mostly venting or even gaming based (you'd be surprised at how many late 20s still play Roblox or Minecraft)
20. I do not regret; 9-6 forces me that way
I created a glorious "racially pure Asia" slop ideology for my group, but I share the same grievances.
Most of my members who constantly talk shit about the West will not hesitate for a snowbunny baddie.
Compromises, mediation, and crafting posts is fun for me. I get to have some friends and people to talk to after graduating info a job (admittedly a decent one); you don't have much energy leaving the home from 7am to returning in 8pm, so your phone, group, and comrades become your friends. Many people say leaders are manipulative and don't care, but I disagree; I've seen true friendships maintained; for example, a 'femboy' which we kicked, maintained contact with us and some members on another shared Discord server.
It's a restaurant in the hood, not a yacht club.
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