Experiment Commiecels/Marxcels, what do you think of the economies of modern China and Vietnam?

[Deleted member 2686]

Spoiler: Disclaimer

No, I am not a communist. In fact, I despise communism and see it and socialism as a failed ideology that lazy people will take. I am, however, genuinely interested in this topic as the economies of both China and Vietnam have seem parodoxical to the founder's goals of establishing[insert communist buzzword about the ideal communist society] and common understanding of what socialism/communism is.

Both economic systems of respective countries have abandoned communist oriented socialism in favor of a mixed economy, which is (oddly enough)a socialist/communist oriented market capitalist economy?

In China, there are two types, or "thoughts", Deng Xiaoping thought and Xi Jingping thought.

The one China is right now is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics
AKA Xi Jingping thought
vs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy
AKA Deng Xioping thought

In Vietnam, this is referred to as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist-oriented_market_economy

I have browsed leftypol and seen many leftists denounce it as "revisionist", yet, I would say that it is very much what Lenin would have done.

I mention this because of the NEP, or New Economic Policy(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy ), which was the precursor to the economy of modern China and Vietnam. The similarities they had were that both realized that in order to go towards a socialist/communist world, wealth needed to be generated first so that wealth can be distributed.

What do you marxistcels/commiecels think?

 

[TheHumanFactory]

Your thread reminded me of a funny post about communism that I read on a textboard. I will copy paste it here maybe you might like it too.

The reason why communism never seem to work is because they are missing one key ingredient. The human element. Sharing the means of production, but what about the means of reproduction? Real communism can only be achieved if you're willing to share your wife with other men.

Neither Mao nor Stalin shared their wives, and look where that got them.
Communism needs the sharing of humans in order to be successful.
Real communism is essentially cuckoldry.
If you're not willing to share your wife with other men, then communism will never ever work.

If you're not willing to share your wife with other men. How can you be trusted enough to share your means of production?

You are not a communist if you won't share your wife.

That is going to be a real test for China since they have a large surplus of Human Male.

 

[AsiaCel]

They are capitalist, despite what leftists claim they are 'techanically' socialist. It means nothing. So instead of having ceos as private individual you have them as the state.

Either way capitalism seems to be benefiting China and turned it from a peasant land to the most powerful nation in the world

 

[Murdoch89]

China is the new world's superpower