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The only possible inceldomless society, would be a radically pacifist one, where sex is part of the public sphere as much as politics, and is used as a volountary win-win strategy to make everyone feel accepted and loved, in order to create a strong sense of collective harmony.
Such society must be build along the lines of the bonobo, which is a very peaceful great ape, extremely close to humans in terms of genetic engineering(98% shared). They are even more close to Chimps, however, they have built a completely different society. The Chimps evolved on the North side of the Congo River, where food is more scarce due in part to competing with gorillas for food and territory, so chimps often go to war with other chimp tribes and massacre them or reach an uneasy truce. Inter-tribal war further selects stronger/violent chimps for survival.
Bonobos evolved on the south side of the Congo River, where food is far more plentiful and they developed a matriarchal society, characterized by promiscuous females that males do not have to compete for. The females ostracize misbehaving males and females until they behave again, for example, they may organize themselves in self defence against rape (every male is eventually provided with consensual sex anyway).
While in chimpanzees dominance is purely masculine with a hierarchy ranging from alpha male to low-ranking males, and with females in a condition of subordination to males, in bonobos the opposite happens. It is still being debated whether it is only a female dominance or a co-dominance with males, but at the apex of the hierarchy there is always a female.
The bonobo species is well characterized as egalitarian, centered on the female, and prone to avoid aggression in favor of sex. While in most other species sexual behaviour constitutes a distinct category, in Bonobo it is an integral part of all social relations-and not only between males and females. Bonobos have sex in virtually all possible combinations, and sexual interactions occur among bonobos more often than among all other primates. Despite the frequency of sexual activity, the rate of reproduction of bonobos in nature is about the same as that of chimpanzees. The bonobos, therefore, share with our species at least a very important characteristic: a partial separation between reproduction and sexuality. Bonobos do not form permanent monogamous sexual relationships with individual partners, and they do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age.
When bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, decreasing tension and encouraging peaceful feeding. They fuck and share.
Now let's take a look at the kind of environment in which the two species live, which also determines the distribution of resources, a factor of enormous importance. Bonobos live exclusively in the rainforests of the Congo, where there is a high supply of food in a practically constant year-round, also because they manage to supplement their diet with grass. Clearly grass is abundant and distributed everywhere, so it is a resource for which there is no competition, and this allows to loosen the tension. The chimpanzees, on the contrary, managed to colonize much more varied environments, ranging from rainforest to savannah. On the one hand this is positive because it increases their chances of survival in very different places, but it is still about environments where the distribution of resources is much more inconsistent, both in space and in time. Fruit trees, for example, are very coveted but only produce fruit in a certain season, that is, in a limited period of time. Also you find more food in some areas than in others. All of these factors do not allow chimpanzees to move in large groups, because if they did there wouldn't be food for everyone.Therefore it is also impossible to be with a group of females large enough to allow them to coalizate against male domination.
In summary:
chimp society patriarchal and a lot more top-down than their cusins, because they live in a generally harder environment, with natural enemies and scarcity of food. They can be very aggressive.
Bonobo society is matriarchal but far more horizontal, and they avoid conflict by happily fucking alltoghether, therefore, inceldom is prevented from happening because it would make some examplars sexually frustrated, and that at the expense of collective harmony. They are laid back and much more playful than chimps.
What does all of this tell us?
1. The harder an environment is, in terms of natural enemies and resource scarcity, the more power will be needed to survive in it, power intended both as mastery of the species over the environment itself, and as machiavellian mastery over society performed by an elite.
2. The easier an environment is, in terms of natural enemies and resource aboundance, the more time there will be to indulge in pleasant activities(like having sex, playing, socializing).
3. Sex in particular is powerful tool for social harmony, as it creates emotional bonds, fosters positive feelings, and dumpens the negative ones.
4. In an egalitarian and accepting society, where sex is treated as a volountary public function, sexuality will be very fluid and and everyone will get to fuck.
5. When sex is equally shared, so is food.
Humans however:
1.Treat sex as an exclusively private thing.
2. Consider homosexuality as a form of "degeneracy", and those who engage in this activity are severly punished in many countries.
3. Restrict their sexual range to one person through socially constructed and imposed monogamy.
4. Are greedy and power hungry. They use war and capital to allocate resources, therefore most wealth is concentrated in the hands of an extremely small minority.
5. Live in a consumerist society that promotes unrealistic beauty standards, and that creates hypergamy and lookism, because the elitist economic stucture of such society reflects itself in the sexual market as well. The ideal life in their heads is based on having a lot of money in order to purchase luxury items, and having a perfect looking sexual partner.
6. Are at the top of the food chain, and nothing is threatening that position but themselves. They produce more than enough food to feed everyone, so they have the potential to create a bonobo-like society, the problem lies in the fact that power structures have a natural tension to perpetuate and strengthen themselves.
Power, in fact, corrupts the human behaviour, as demonstrated by the social experiments carried by Milgram and Zimbardo. It results in violence, which is also caused by anger, and anger is how our brain reacts to unsatisfied needs. The reason why most of us incels hate women is to be found in our sexual frustration.
Therefore, all of your wet dreams about totalitarian patriarchy are the result of your rationalized anger towards women, but it only takes a little vision to see how that will work out. Turning women into property would require the subjugation of an entire gender through violence, and as we saw, externally unleashed power(violence against another group) requires internally unleashed power(strong and rigid social hierarchy). In case of victory, we will have a top-down society where an elite of crazy motherfuckers controls most of the resources and women will be used as sugarplums for the working beta majority. You might think "that's good!" but actually, not so much. As history proves, totalitarian governments need an external enemy to keep power in their hands, hence, the alpha elite will send the beta fanatics to war against other states, so what we will have is a 1984 scenario where a few totalitarian superstates are perpetually at war against each other.
Now, if you think that being at war is better than being incel, you're an absolute moron. We as incels in 2018 are having it much better than soldier Chad in 1942.
Discuss.
Such society must be build along the lines of the bonobo, which is a very peaceful great ape, extremely close to humans in terms of genetic engineering(98% shared). They are even more close to Chimps, however, they have built a completely different society. The Chimps evolved on the North side of the Congo River, where food is more scarce due in part to competing with gorillas for food and territory, so chimps often go to war with other chimp tribes and massacre them or reach an uneasy truce. Inter-tribal war further selects stronger/violent chimps for survival.
Bonobos evolved on the south side of the Congo River, where food is far more plentiful and they developed a matriarchal society, characterized by promiscuous females that males do not have to compete for. The females ostracize misbehaving males and females until they behave again, for example, they may organize themselves in self defence against rape (every male is eventually provided with consensual sex anyway).
While in chimpanzees dominance is purely masculine with a hierarchy ranging from alpha male to low-ranking males, and with females in a condition of subordination to males, in bonobos the opposite happens. It is still being debated whether it is only a female dominance or a co-dominance with males, but at the apex of the hierarchy there is always a female.
The bonobo species is well characterized as egalitarian, centered on the female, and prone to avoid aggression in favor of sex. While in most other species sexual behaviour constitutes a distinct category, in Bonobo it is an integral part of all social relations-and not only between males and females. Bonobos have sex in virtually all possible combinations, and sexual interactions occur among bonobos more often than among all other primates. Despite the frequency of sexual activity, the rate of reproduction of bonobos in nature is about the same as that of chimpanzees. The bonobos, therefore, share with our species at least a very important characteristic: a partial separation between reproduction and sexuality. Bonobos do not form permanent monogamous sexual relationships with individual partners, and they do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age.
When bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, decreasing tension and encouraging peaceful feeding. They fuck and share.
Now let's take a look at the kind of environment in which the two species live, which also determines the distribution of resources, a factor of enormous importance. Bonobos live exclusively in the rainforests of the Congo, where there is a high supply of food in a practically constant year-round, also because they manage to supplement their diet with grass. Clearly grass is abundant and distributed everywhere, so it is a resource for which there is no competition, and this allows to loosen the tension. The chimpanzees, on the contrary, managed to colonize much more varied environments, ranging from rainforest to savannah. On the one hand this is positive because it increases their chances of survival in very different places, but it is still about environments where the distribution of resources is much more inconsistent, both in space and in time. Fruit trees, for example, are very coveted but only produce fruit in a certain season, that is, in a limited period of time. Also you find more food in some areas than in others. All of these factors do not allow chimpanzees to move in large groups, because if they did there wouldn't be food for everyone.Therefore it is also impossible to be with a group of females large enough to allow them to coalizate against male domination.
In summary:
chimp society patriarchal and a lot more top-down than their cusins, because they live in a generally harder environment, with natural enemies and scarcity of food. They can be very aggressive.
Bonobo society is matriarchal but far more horizontal, and they avoid conflict by happily fucking alltoghether, therefore, inceldom is prevented from happening because it would make some examplars sexually frustrated, and that at the expense of collective harmony. They are laid back and much more playful than chimps.
What does all of this tell us?
1. The harder an environment is, in terms of natural enemies and resource scarcity, the more power will be needed to survive in it, power intended both as mastery of the species over the environment itself, and as machiavellian mastery over society performed by an elite.
2. The easier an environment is, in terms of natural enemies and resource aboundance, the more time there will be to indulge in pleasant activities(like having sex, playing, socializing).
3. Sex in particular is powerful tool for social harmony, as it creates emotional bonds, fosters positive feelings, and dumpens the negative ones.
4. In an egalitarian and accepting society, where sex is treated as a volountary public function, sexuality will be very fluid and and everyone will get to fuck.
5. When sex is equally shared, so is food.
Humans however:
1.Treat sex as an exclusively private thing.
2. Consider homosexuality as a form of "degeneracy", and those who engage in this activity are severly punished in many countries.
3. Restrict their sexual range to one person through socially constructed and imposed monogamy.
4. Are greedy and power hungry. They use war and capital to allocate resources, therefore most wealth is concentrated in the hands of an extremely small minority.
5. Live in a consumerist society that promotes unrealistic beauty standards, and that creates hypergamy and lookism, because the elitist economic stucture of such society reflects itself in the sexual market as well. The ideal life in their heads is based on having a lot of money in order to purchase luxury items, and having a perfect looking sexual partner.
6. Are at the top of the food chain, and nothing is threatening that position but themselves. They produce more than enough food to feed everyone, so they have the potential to create a bonobo-like society, the problem lies in the fact that power structures have a natural tension to perpetuate and strengthen themselves.
Power, in fact, corrupts the human behaviour, as demonstrated by the social experiments carried by Milgram and Zimbardo. It results in violence, which is also caused by anger, and anger is how our brain reacts to unsatisfied needs. The reason why most of us incels hate women is to be found in our sexual frustration.
Therefore, all of your wet dreams about totalitarian patriarchy are the result of your rationalized anger towards women, but it only takes a little vision to see how that will work out. Turning women into property would require the subjugation of an entire gender through violence, and as we saw, externally unleashed power(violence against another group) requires internally unleashed power(strong and rigid social hierarchy). In case of victory, we will have a top-down society where an elite of crazy motherfuckers controls most of the resources and women will be used as sugarplums for the working beta majority. You might think "that's good!" but actually, not so much. As history proves, totalitarian governments need an external enemy to keep power in their hands, hence, the alpha elite will send the beta fanatics to war against other states, so what we will have is a 1984 scenario where a few totalitarian superstates are perpetually at war against each other.
Now, if you think that being at war is better than being incel, you're an absolute moron. We as incels in 2018 are having it much better than soldier Chad in 1942.
Discuss.