Challenges for authoritarian supporters

[AsiaCel]

I wrote this on a phone while walking on the crowded streets. Don't mind my typos or grammar mistakes.

Welcome to Gloria, a fictional authoritative country in Europe that promises racial nationalism, day and night.

From patterns of authoritative systems, we can see the claims of glory of the race, the people, the nation etc, are up to interpretation.

But what if things are not as they seem?

I drawn these cases from common real world examples that the conventional rhetoric of "party will lead the nation into greatness" simply does not tackle.

I wrote these scenarios from the perspectives of ordinary or ultranationalistic elements; people who toe the party line (perhaps further than the party itself) but were confronted by the reality of such systems.

Authoritarian systems, top-down systems tend to favor KPI and protectionism.


1. John is a devoted ethnonationalist who made many people love the country. One day, he went up against Sam, a powerful business party member who made lots of GDP for the country, but is known to send his daughters to sex parties with foreign men.

In this case, how would John be able to defend himself in court? How do you guarantee that the state won't hide Sam's traitorness for pragmatic goals?

2. Gloria constantly suppresses its ultranationalists for complaining about international students' better treatment. How do you deal with this?

3. A party member accidentally rammed a car into a house. How do you guarantee that the party won't protect him? You can't voice it online or protest as they are suppressed quickly.

4. The leaders of Gloria need YOU to fight a high casualty war involving endless drone swarms, they recently set up a digital ID system that if you don't get conscripted, there will be catchers of young men looking for you and that you won't be able to use public services or even buy things at all. How would you resist this?

5. A bridge just collapsed in capital of Gloria. But news are quickly suppressed, and your family just received some hush money, barely enough for medical treatment. How would you sue the government for this?

6. Gloria just implemented a "leader follower" system, that gave employers more authority which caused unsafe working conditions. He has friends in the national work union, so how would you make meaningful changes through the union?

7. The new leader of Gloria decided to import 600,000 foreign workers from Africa. Ultranationalist voices are immediately suppressed, the new leader cited that Africans are more patriotic because they assilmate and are hard working, how would you deal with this?

8. Gloria's main goal is to deport "unpatriotic" elements, in the process, many ordinary citizens were hurt. Unusually, Gloria allowed criticism this time, but the injuried people who spoken out were fired from their jobs and ostracized, even without explicit commands from the government.

 

[AsiaCel]

The fictional nation of Gloria is prosperous and has world-class living standards and infrastructure; the envy of many non Gloria westerners.

By all material measures, Gloria is the ideal nation with strong economic ties, and that many from the developing world would risk their lives just to enter the country.

However, being the dominant European power means that it does not adhere to international norms like judiciary standards and that it can bend the other nations to its will.

Gloria is a pretty great place to live as long as you are not the unlucky few; it means that you will be the few that will have no one to back up on these edge cases.

Real world authoraitive countries tend to not have the material benefits of Gloria.

The point of the post is not to critique everything about authoritarian systems (or soft-authoritarian like by the lobbyist elites in USA; e.g. Cancelling for going against the super rich/Epstein) but the judiciary and hypocritical trends common in these systems.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

There is one ideal ethnonationalist state in the world, that is Israel.

 

[AsiaCel]

There is one ideal ethnonationalist state in the world, that is Israel.

Israel allows LGBT and those people are mongrels. Even if you ignore races, Israel allows 20% of its population to be Arabs (I think they're racially similar as mirazhi Jews but Jews don't think so)

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Israel allows LGBT and those people are mongrels. Even if you ignore races, Israel allows 20% of its population to be Arabs (I think they're racially similar as mirazhi Jews but Jews don't think so)

You are missing the one core point, Israel is literally built for Jews. Jews are literally treated as first class citizen, Jews elsewhere from the world has the core rights. No other nation in the world has charter where certain ethnic groups is considered as first class citizen

 

[TruecelVariant]

I dont believe in ethno-nationalism, however, i think another question to be posed is if culture or thought evolves and it is deemed as subversive to traditional culture, how do you deal with this?

 

[AsiaCel]

I dont believe in ethno-nationalism, however, i think another question to be posed is if culture or thought evolves and it is deemed as subversive to traditional culture, how do you deal with this?

I'm not sure what you mean.

You mean cultures evolving to be more open?

That's easy. Countries shift from blocking to dominating.

Authoritative regimes generally don't care about your culture as long as you don't disrupt the wider society.

They know many people leave the country for business and get exposed to anti regime messaging; instead of denying them, they highlight the advantages of their systems.

Example: USSR had atrocities, true! But these atrocities also industralized and saved it from the Nazis!!

Not exactly hard to do when you have homeless fent addicts in USA; a sight not seen in even second world countries.

 

[AsiaCel]

I wish more people to reply to this.

Btw I based point 8 on ICE raids. Whether it's good or not, if you get into crossfire with collateral damage, even with fair courts, chances are, you'll be labelled a shill by 50% of the population; mass social cancellation can be more scary than punishment in authoritatian regimes (in certain context) where posts are quickly deleted and you're sent "for a tea" and everything bad about you are forgotten.

I'm not against, or supportive of ICE raids or the American right. I'm using it to illustrate a common groupthink pattern and social cost that comes with being unfortunate that isnt limited to authoriative regimes.

 

[uwu297969]

what is the point of the post? a country that doesn't have independent Judiciary system can't have justice.

 

[IWWorkER]

to send his daughters to sex parties with foreign men.

 

[AsiaCel]

This...happens a lot.

Russia being a great example.

 

[AsiaCel]

what is the point of the post? a country that doesn't have independent Judiciary system can't have justice.

Many people desire that "their side" take over judiciary, but the reality is that political parties will protect their own politicans and give in to pragmatic appeasement even if it contradicts with their ideology.

It sounds good until you realize it also affects everyday cases like party elites accidentally damaging properties being given immunity.