Discussion Calculate your SMV with this Guide

[wasteofspace]

I've made this before, but the standards of women has raised even higher, so I've updated it to reflect the standards of women in 2025

Facial Appearance - How attractive is your face? Rate 1-10
10 = 20 pts
9 = 18 pts
8 = 16 pts
7 = 14 pts
6 = 12 pts
5 = 10 pts
4 = 8 pts
3 = 6 pts
2 = 4 pts
1 = 2 pts
0 = 0 pts

Social Status - How many different people outside your family text you every week?
10 - 10 pts
9 - 9 pts
8 - 8 pts
7 - 7 pts
6 - 6 pts
5 - 5 pts
4 - 4 pts
3 - 3 pts
2 - 2 pts
1 - 1 pt
0 - 0 pts

Money - How much money do you make a year?
10,000,000+ - 10 pts
1,000,000+ - 9 pts
500,000+ - 8 pts
100,000+ - 7 pts
80,000+ - 6 pts
75,000+ - 5 pts
70,000+ - 4 pts
65,000+ - 3 pts
60,000+ - 2 pts
1+ - 1 pt
NEET - 0 pts

Now,
- add 4 points if you have have any eye color other then brown
- add 4 pts if you are 6' or taller, 6 pts if you're over 6'2", or 12 pts if you're over 6'5"
- add 2 pts if you are blonde
- add 3 pts if you are nordic
- add 4 pts if you aren't white but can pass for white
- add 4 pts if you have a masters degree
- add 1 pt if you have a highschool diploma or GED
- add 2 pts if you have a drivers license
- add 4 pts if you have a car
- add 4 pts if you have a white or nordic sounding name
- add 5 pts if you have Tourettes
- add 7 pts if you have a French or nordic accent
- add 8 pts if you have a criminal record
- add 3 pts if you can thugmaxx or ogremaxx
- add 3 pts if you sound ghetto
- add 9 pts if you are a sociopath or psychopath
- add 7 pts if you are a narcissist
- add 5 pts if you live in a white neighborhood
- add 2 pts if you live in an asian neighborhood
- add 3 pts if you are a gymcel

Now,
- subtract 10 pts if you are 5'7" or shorter
- subtract 6 pts if you have a non white race accent
- subtract 4 pts if you live in a black neighborhood
- subtract 2 pts if you live in a non-white neighborhood other then black or asian
- subtract 3 pts if you are black, 5 pts if you are asian, and 8 pts if you are a brown race
- subtract 7 pts if you are an introvert/shy
- subtract 4 pts if you have an ethnic sounding name
- subtract 7 pts if you have any mental health issues
- subtract 6 pts if you are overweight
- subtract 9 pts if you are extremely overweight
- subtract 4 pts if you have a waifu
- subtract 5 pts if you can't speak any white/nordic language well
- subtract 3 pts if you don't have any white/nordic friends or family



Scale
0-10pts = Truecel
11-20pts = Incel
21-30 pts = Mentalcel
31-40pts = Normie
41-50pts = Chad
51+pts = Gigachad

 

[Emba]

-12?

 

[Sperg Abomination]

-12?

better luck next life

 

[Emba]

better luck next life

Ok

 

[wasteofspace]

I ended up with -10

 

[Todd Thundercock]

41 Chad.

I think this is flawed.

 

[lifeisfucked215]

Way too much math nigga

 

[oldcel]

I dont need your guide to know my SMV is zero or below

 

[anotherwastedlife]

-3, i generously rated myself a 5 on looks and the neighbourhood i live in is mostly White

 

[Xul]

Im not doing math but its 0 or negative

 

[unwantedloser95]

Dang, I haven't received a text from a non family member since 2021.

I'm like minus 12

 

[Nintendo 64]

0 pts exactly

 

[nohopesnodreams]

9

 

[nohopesnodreams]

 

[Diesel_366]

-15 kek

 

[Argenfarker]

-17

 

[Abacaxi14]

-18

I aint white, my spoken english is garbage, i dont live in an white area, i have an accent etc

 

[svgmn1]

-23

 

[svgmn1]

this is fucking rigged nigga it's all plus points for being wypipo basically just borderline a jbw thread wtf

 

[MonkeyInaT34]

-40, I think I should just die at this point

 

[TooSomething]

LoL, another JBW thread.

 

[Sir Silentium]

https://hubgituser2997.github.io/

mog-calculator/

 

[peachpitsgalore33]

I'm nordic and 5'5, thought I was at least a SMV 15, maybe 20, turns out I'm -11. I always think I'm handsomer than I am, but I masked my inceldom by jesterimg until I realzed I was just a funny clown normies passed around.

 

[ThanostheGOAT]

2

 

[IWWorkER]

Money - How much money do you make a year?
10,000,000+ - 10 pts
1,000,000+ - 9 pts
500,000+ - 8 pts
100,000+ - 7 pts
80,000+ - 6 pts
75,000+ - 5 pts
70,000+ - 4 pts
65,000+ - 3 pts
60,000+ - 2 pts
1+ - 1 pt
NEET - 0 pts

You must be american if you think 60,000 isn't a huge amount of money.
Even a surgeon doesn't make that much, in most of Europe, let alone the rest of the world.
Wealth is a very relative metric.

 

[lonelinessmaxxer]

41 Chad.

I think this is flawed.

i got 42, brown hands typed this thread

 

[Julius1]

-7

 

[ExistentialPariah]

16

Guess I need to change my name to StonecoldIncel

 

[Mr Black]

-5??

 

[Mr Black]

I only got some points from the nordic things but the mental and height questions sent my score to hell

 

[Uvertz]

22 points, not a surprise for me, i always knew i was a mentalcel, but that’s not so simple, as i’v been trying to approach and socialize but the foids start ghosting me on social media, all of them, they somewhat “accept” and they change their mind. So i am almost in between the two spectrum, incel / mentalcel because i see they reject me.

 

[Rezecel]

12, but I think I have mental health issues, so I’m at 5.

 

[ExistentialPariah]

22 points, not a surprise for me, i always knew i was a mentalcel, but that’s not so simple, as i’v been trying to approach and socialize but the foids start ghosting me on social media, all of them, they somewhat “accept” and they change their mind. So i am almost in between the two spectrum, incel / mentalcel because i see they reject me.

moga me

 

[ROBOCOCK]

-6 but could subtract more if you added framecel and dickcel

 

[gluttony]

Could we remove the race stuff? I get it there is racepill but a Chad is a chad regardless of what race he is from or his background if his genetics are that good.

 

[Eternatus]

add 5 pts if you have Tourettes

U gotta be kidding me Mr. GrAY

 

[Eternatus]

Could we remove the race stuff? I get it there is racepill but a Chad is a chad regardless of what race he is from or his background if his genetics are that good.

wrong

 

[gluttony]

wrong

.is when race returns, there's a lot of factors honestly and i'm not bothered to go through a long page of arguments about social and cultural factors.

 

[Lifeless]

-13

negative 13 means it never began

 

[Aquaworshipper]

-4

 

[Sans]

About 16 points.

 

[Failed Pullout]

Well I had 14 but I'm 5'6

 

[ThePornographer]

-14

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

These days I'm maybe a 3/10 facially. Here's what I have:


Facial appearance: 3/10 = 6 pts
People I text per week outside of family: 4 - 4 pts
Income is under 60,000 - 1 pts

add 4 points if you have have any eye color other then brown (they're hazel)
add 4 pts if you are 6' or taller, 6 pts if you're over 6'2", or 12 pts if you're over 6'5" (I'm 6'1)
add 4 pts if you aren't white but can pass for white
add 1 pt if you have a highschool diploma or GED
add 2 pts if you have a drivers license
add 4 pts if you have a car
add 8 pts if you have a criminal record (assuming record as a juvenile counts)
add 3 pts if you sound ghetto


subtract 4 pts if you live in a black neighborhood

Total score = 37 points.

Supposedly this makes me a normie, yet I'm a nearly 40 year old KHV with hundreds of real life rejections, many of which were from extremely ugly and/or obese women.

The problem with these SMV calculators is it's not how SMV works at all. This severely underestimates face because on paper according to this a sub4 guy could be a normie or chad, yet in reality he'd be a truecel.

 

[Animecel2D]

-26

 

[algeriancel]

I've made this before, but the standards of women has raised even higher, so I've updated it to reflect the standards of women in 2025

Facial Appearance - How attractive is your face? Rate 1-10
10 = 20 pts
9 = 18 pts
8 = 16 pts
7 = 14 pts
6 = 12 pts
5 = 10 pts
4 = 8 pts
3 = 6 pts
2 = 4 pts
1 = 2 pts
0 = 0 pts

Social Status - How many different people outside your family text you every week?
10 - 10 pts
9 - 9 pts
8 - 8 pts
7 - 7 pts
6 - 6 pts
5 - 5 pts
4 - 4 pts
3 - 3 pts
2 - 2 pts
1 - 1 pt
0 - 0 pts

Money - How much money do you make a year?
10,000,000+ - 10 pts
1,000,000+ - 9 pts
500,000+ - 8 pts
100,000+ - 7 pts
80,000+ - 6 pts
75,000+ - 5 pts
70,000+ - 4 pts
65,000+ - 3 pts
60,000+ - 2 pts
1+ - 1 pt
NEET - 0 pts

Now,
- add 4 points if you have have any eye color other then brown
- add 4 pts if you are 6' or taller, 6 pts if you're over 6'2", or 12 pts if you're over 6'5"
- add 2 pts if you are blonde
- add 3 pts if you are nordic
- add 4 pts if you aren't white but can pass for white
- add 4 pts if you have a masters degree
- add 1 pt if you have a highschool diploma or GED
- add 2 pts if you have a drivers license
- add 4 pts if you have a car
- add 4 pts if you have a white or nordic sounding name
- add 5 pts if you have Tourettes
- add 7 pts if you have a French or nordic accent
- add 8 pts if you have a criminal record
- add 3 pts if you can thugmaxx or ogremaxx
- add 3 pts if you sound ghetto
- add 9 pts if you are a sociopath or psychopath
- add 7 pts if you are a narcissist
- add 5 pts if you live in a white neighborhood
- add 2 pts if you live in an asian neighborhood
- add 3 pts if you are a gymcel

Now,
- subtract 10 pts if you are 5'7" or shorter
- subtract 6 pts if you have a non white race accent
- subtract 4 pts if you live in a black neighborhood
- subtract 2 pts if you live in a non-white neighborhood other then black or asian
- subtract 3 pts if you are black, 5 pts if you are asian, and 8 pts if you are a brown race
- subtract 7 pts if you are an introvert/shy
- subtract 4 pts if you have an ethnic sounding name
- subtract 7 pts if you have any mental health issues
- subtract 6 pts if you are overweight
- subtract 9 pts if you are extremely overweight
- subtract 4 pts if you have a waifu
- subtract 5 pts if you can't speak any white/nordic language well
- subtract 3 pts if you don't have any white/nordic friends or family



Scale
0-10pts = Truecel
11-20pts = Incel
21-30 pts = Mentalcel
31-40pts = Normie
41-50pts = Chad
51+pts = Gigachad

15 pts
being introvert raped my points lol

 

[Justnormalincel]

Neet, 5'10, curry and neurodivergents. Its over .

 

[superpsycho]

0

 

[Deleted member 8078]

This calculator is BS, face has next to no weight in this

 

[ESL]

-17

This calculator is BS, face has next to no weight in this

yeah too many trivial factors, it should be mostly face then height and then NT