Serious Brother Incels - if you don't seek male approval, you will be slaves to female approval

[K9Otaku]

Let us suppose you are living in the early 1900s, in a time where gender roles were clearer.

You are 16 and an apprentice in printer's shop (big mechanical printers). For the first six months you mess up all the time. The big machines are tricky to adjust and you can't get it right. The paper gets torn up between the rollers. The ink is either to fluid and the letters are blurry, or there is not enough of it. The color layers are not aligned and they bleed into each other.

Then one day you get it right. You print a run of 1000 product catalogues for some hardware store and they come out just perfect.

The shop owner comes near your work station, gives a look at the freshly printed catalogues and tells you "good work son". That is male approval.

Then you bring one of the catalogues back home and show it to your mother. She says "oh that's so sweet Henry, you are a real master printer now", and she kisses you on the forehead. That is female approval.

Today male approval is in short supply (and every effort is made to eliminate it completely). Female approval, on the other hand, is plentiful but it is mostly of the fake kind: "TeeHee, you completely messed up, but you are a still a good boy whatever you do".

If you don't seek male approval, you will be a slave to female approval.

Most Incels seek to "ascend" because they unconsciously think that a gf is going to be a source of female approval, which they crave. It's a trap. Don't go there even in thought.

 

[Incelius Savage]

I don't seek anyone's approval

 

[Deleted member 17606]

Male approval wont crank your hog

 

[Emba]

Male approval is earned.

Female approval is rented, and fleeting, and more often than not, fake. And revokable.

 

[K9Otaku]

I don't seek anyone's approval

bullshit

Male approval wont crank your hog

Interesting thought. Can you elab?

 

[FrothySolutions]

I'm not proud. What has dignity ever done for me?

 

[K9Otaku]

Male approval is earned.

Female approval is rented, and fleeting, and more often than not, fake. And revokable.

Today it is fake, yes. Because most females are incompetent and thus incapable of accurate judgement

 

[bigantennaemay1]

Wrong. I don't get male approval, either, despite trying.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Let us suppose you are living in the early 1900s, in a time where gender roles were clearer.

You are 16 and an apprentice in printer's shop (big mechanical printers). For the first six months you mess up all the time. The big machines are tricky to adjust and you can't get it right. The paper gets torn up between the rollers. The ink is either to fluid and the letters are blurry, or there is not enough of it. The color layers are not aligned and they bleed into each other.

View attachment 522680

Then one day you get it right. You print a run of 1000 product catalogues for some hardware store and they come out just perfect.

The shop owner comes near your work station, gives a look at the freshly printed catalogues and tells you "good work son". That is male approval.

Then you bring one of the catalogues back home and show it to your mother. She says "oh that's so sweet Henry, you are a real master printer now", and she kisses you on the forehead. That is female approval.

Today male approval is in short supply (and every effort is made to eliminate it completely). Female approval, on the other hand, is plentiful but it is mostly of the fake kind: "TeeHee, you completely messed up, but you are a still a good boy whatever you do".

If you don't seek male approval, you will be a slave to female approval.

Most Incels seek to "ascend" because they unconsciously think that a gf is going to be a source of female approval, which they crave. It's a trap. Don't go there even in thought.

I'm not even seeking approval.

I think one should avoid seeking out things that have to do with pride and ego.

One should seek out results, the approval should just be an unintended bonus.

You should want to handle the machinery well so you get paid, and maybe one day promoted, so you can have money and influence.

Chasing "atta boys" from men is just as illogical as chasing "good boys" from women.


Still I get the point of your thread here, because male approval is often directly linked to financial success whereas female approval is never linked to anything of objective worth. I just think that the approval should never be your focus, just the success part.

 

[mNFwTJ3wz9]

I don't seek anyone's approval

 

[Deleted member 2047]

cope

 

[Deleted member 29230]

nigga i dont seek anyone's approval fuck off

 

[JayGoptri]

Male approval is earned.

Female approval is rented, and fleeting, and more often than not, fake. And revokable.

Usually true ! But now days, cucked males are acting like females anyways so....

Female approval and female's low standard of commitment is what the masses follow.

They break their word and they breaks their bond.

 

[K9Otaku]

Wrong. I don't get male approval, either, despite trying.

That is because the system is broken. Everyone was getting "Good work, son" type encouragement when he was in his teens/early twenties, when things were not fucked up

nigga i dont seek anyone's approval fuck off

Liar. Nietzschean cope.

 

[JayGoptri]

nigga i dont seek anyone's approval fuck off

Pretend gangster "nigga jiggas" talk...And if you're black, you are a weak skinny twig chap. S[UWSL]imultaneously while saying you don't seek anyone's approval, you seek everyone's approval which is also just as bad as pretending to be some wack ass mercenary on the solo bounty hunt. You'll learn, hopefully sooner than later. [/UWSL]

 

[Deleted member 29230]

Pretend gangster "nigga jiggas" talk...And if you're black, you are a weak skinny twig chap. S[UWSL]imultaneously while saying you don't seek anyone's approval, you seek everyone's approval which is also just as bad as pretending to be some wack ass mercenary on the solo bounty hunt. You'll learn, hopefully sooner than later. [/UWSL]

now this is a greycel moment

 

[K9Otaku]

I'm not even seeking approval.

You have to when you are young ... (see below)

One should seek out results, the approval should just be an unintended bonus.

Yes, but when you are young, you are not sure what results are exactly. Most jobs must be done to a certain level of quality. If you do quality above that level, you are overly perfectionistic (and probably losing money for the company). And of course, below that level, it is not good either. Only an experienced man can tell you if you are within the tolerances for a particular job. That is what male approval is for.

I think one should avoid seeking out things that have to do with pride and ego.

It is not about ego. It is about confirming that your judgement is sound. You are never sure if you are judging yourself correctly if someone does not give you an outside appraisal.

In fact, seeking approval (or disapproval) from an experienced man is based in humility. We are no longer taught that, unfortunately.

Still I get the point of your thread here, because male approval is often directly linked to financial success whereas female approval is never linked to anything of objective worth.

Yes

 

[K9Otaku]

now this is a greycel moment

Yeah, right. I think you just did not understand a word he said.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

Let us suppose you are living in the early 1900s, in a time where gender roles were clearer.

You are 16 and an apprentice in printer's shop (big mechanical printers). For the first six months you mess up all the time. The big machines are tricky to adjust and you can't get it right. The paper gets torn up between the rollers. The ink is either to fluid and the letters are blurry, or there is not enough of it. The color layers are not aligned and they bleed into each other.

View attachment 522680

Then one day you get it right. You print a run of 1000 product catalogues for some hardware store and they come out just perfect.

The shop owner comes near your work station, gives a look at the freshly printed catalogues and tells you "good work son". That is male approval.

Then you bring one of the catalogues back home and show it to your mother. She says "oh that's so sweet Henry, you are a real master printer now", and she kisses you on the forehead. That is female approval.

Today male approval is in short supply (and every effort is made to eliminate it completely). Female approval, on the other hand, is plentiful but it is mostly of the fake kind: "TeeHee, you completely messed up, but you are a still a good boy whatever you do".

If you don't seek male approval, you will be a slave to female approval.

Most Incels seek to "ascend" because they unconsciously think that a gf is going to be a source of female approval, which they crave. It's a trap. Don't go there even in thought.

seeking male approval ONLY is total faggotry to some extent. I recognize that it's impossible to avoid the need to seek approval, so I think it's okay to have feelings of needing to seek female approval, especially waifus or imaginary females sometimes but not to a simpy degree.

 

[BlkPillPres]

In fact, seeking approval (or disapproval) from an experienced man is based in humility.

True in most cases I guess

 

[K9Otaku]

seeking male approval ONLY is total faggotry

In order to imagine that male approval (in the context of the little story I told in the OP) is "fagotry", you have to be really messed up bad in your head. But yes, we are messed up. It is a fact.

Male approval is not fagotry, you simpleton. The master printer in the story is not a pedo. He is just trying to run his shop and survive. He is happy to see that finally, his apprentice has mastered the set-up of his printing machine. It is a purely practical, non sexual thing.

So yes today, we have to seek male approval because female approval is poisoned and poisonous. We do need approval of some sort. Denying is cope.

so I think it's okay to have feelings of needing to seek female approval, especially waifus or imaginary females sometimes but not to a simpy degree.

If you seek approval from this source, it will turn you into a simp because it will make you dependent on female approval, like a drug addict.

Actually, this is also what faggots do to each other. They give female approval to each other.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I recognize that it's impossible to avoid the need to seek approval

Its not impossible though, you are projecting, you are just the "needy" type

I never sought approval from anyone since I was child, and it was only really my parents approval that I sought

I don't understand why any adult man would care about approval in this era, when what matters is money and power, not approval

People will approve of you regardless if you gain money and power, you have your priorities backwards

The approval should be an inconsequential by product of you improving your life and making it easier and more enjoyable for yourself

As you improve your life those around you will give you a higher "approval rating"

 

[SlayerSlayer]

Its not impossible though, you are projecting, you are just the "needy" type

I never sought approval from anyone since I was child, and it was only really my parents approval that I sought

I don't understand why any adult man would care about approval in this era, when what matters is money and power, not approval

People will approve of you regardless if you gain money and power, you have your priorities backwards

The approval should be an inconsequential by product of you improving your life and making it easier and more enjoyable for yourself

As you improve your life those around you will give you a higher "approval rating"

I completely agree on the power shit, I am trying to be better, but it's just my nature to be needy

In order to imagine that male approval (in the context of the little story I told in the OP) is "fagotry", you have to be really messed up bad in your head. But yes, we are messed up. It is a fact.

Male approval is not fagotry, you simpleton. The master printer in the story is not a pedo. He is just trying to run his shop and survive. He is happy to see that finally, his apprentice has mastered the set-up of his printing machine. It is a purely practical, non sexual thing.

So yes today, we have to seek male approval because female approval is poisoned and poisonous. We do need approval of some sort. Denying is cope.


If you seek approval from this source, it will turn you into a simp because it will make you dependent on female approval, like a drug addict.

Actually, this is also what faggots do to each other. They give female approval to each other.

I explain what I mean a little better in a different post

You are probably a fag, and this is why

Okay, I might get banned for this shit-- but if there's one thing I noticed about ugly guys that ascend and most incels, is that incels lean waaay into "bros before hoes." An ugly man that ascends has ZERO shame about throwing his fellow man out the bus just to get his dick wet. And while we...

incels.is

 

[K9Otaku]

Its not impossible though, you are projecting, you are just the "needy" type

It is impossible. You always need approval because you can never be sure that your performance is correct.

For all jobs, there is a tradeoff between speed and quality.

Too fast and not good enough --> you lose
Too slow and too good quality --> you lose

In every job there is a narrow band of quality vs speed levels that is what the market is willing to pay. And that band is constantly changing

As a salesman, you seek the approval of your customer to determine whether you are in the right band.

As a shopfloor machine operator, you seek the approval of the foreman for the same reason. Etc, Etc.

You can't work without seeking approval (or disapproval). And work is the only thing that will give a man his dignity

I don't understand why any adult man would care about approval in this era, when what matters is money and power, not approval

See above

 

[NorthernWind]

Faggots ruined warm relationships between males.

 

[K9Otaku]

I explain what I mean a little better in a different post

You are probably a fag, and this is why

Okay, I might get banned for this shit-- but if there's one thing I noticed about ugly guys that ascend and most incels, is that incels lean waaay into "bros before hoes." An ugly man that ascends has ZERO shame about throwing his fellow man out the bus just to get his dick wet. And while we...

incels.is

What you are saying in that thread is complete nonsense.

Basically, you are advocating disloyal criminal-style behavior. It is a fantasy drilled into your head by Nitzsche and the Nitzchean assholes in the media and the entertainment industry. Nobody can survive this kind of lifestyle. You'll get killed (or imprisoned if you are lucky)

Men rely on each other. There is no other way.

 

[BlkPillPres]

It is impossible. You always need approval because you can never be sure that your performance is correct.

1. What "approval" do you need if you trade stocks and make money from that?


2. Also I think you need to read over what he said:
He said its impossible to avoid THE NEED TO SEEK approval, not its impossible to ASSESS YOUR PERFORMANCE WITHOUT approval

Those are two completely different things, one has to do with your ego, having pride in yourself, the other has to do with gauging your own skill, the end goal is very different

As a salesman, you seek the approval of your customer to determine whether you are in the right band.

You are playing word games, you know full well what the context of "approval" is in this thread. What you need from the customer is their trust, what you really need from them is A SALE.

You don't need their "approval" as in you need them to validate your existence and sense of self worth as a person (that's the approval were talking about here)

You can't work without seeking approval (or disapproval).

Not all jobs revolve around interacting with people

And work is the only thing that will give a man his dignity

This is more subjective nonsense, a man who was born into wealth and good looks, and never worked a day in his life has more dignity than you or I

But what does dignity matter?

This just sounds like more pointless pursuits that revolve around being manipulated by your ego

I just want the wealth required to live a comfortable life, I don't care about approval, or admiration, or love, or dignity, or any of that. None of that shit matters when you are hungry, none of that shit matters when you are horny lol.

All that exists in this world are your needs and desires, everything else is just background noise, you can choose to follow and chase after the noise if you want, but don't say its impossible not to just so that you can justify it to yourself.

 

[K9Otaku]

Faggots ruined warm relationships between males.

Doesn't need to be warm. It just need to be fair and simple.

Go work for an old dude that runs a garage and minds his own business. After a few weeks, you will figure out what he wants from you work-wise and he will give you his approval. Simple.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

What you are saying in that thread is complete nonsense.

Basically, you are advocating disloyal criminal-style behavior. It is a fantasy drilled into your head by Nitzsche and the Nitzchean assholes in the media and the entertainment industry. Nobody can survive this kind of lifestyle. You'll get killed (or imprisoned if you are lucky)

Men rely on each other. There is no other way.

I think your post doesn't even apply to incels, because it assumes male approval is worth something.

NEWS FLASH-- it's as abundant as dick itself. worthless. I can get male approval at the snap of my fingers. To be honest, you are right in the sense that my beliefs would not make the world a better more orderly place.

I just want the world to burn, and my advice is for fellowcels who also want the world to burn. And the fastest way for that to happen is if people just completely do not give a shit about others.

Also I think incels don't really care about female approval as much as you think. We care more about getting cuddles, and sex. We don't care about their opinions.

 

[Remaincel]

this is literally what creates a cuck

 

[K9Otaku]

1. What "approval" do you need if you trade stocks and make money from that?

If you trade stocks on your own, it is not work, it is gambling. Same as online poker.

If you want to trade securities professionally, you have to work for a Bank, a stockbroker, etc. Same deal as above.

2. Also I think you need to read over what he said:
He said its impossible to avoid THE NEED TO SEEK approval, not its impossible to ASSESS YOUR PERFORMANCE WITHOUT approval

You are talking about the psychological need to seek approval. That is there to, No use denying it.

We need to seek approval for performance evaluation. Nature has done things well. It has endowed with an instinctual psychological need to seek approval. That need is made to be satisfied by other males, in a work environment. Period.

Those are two completely different things, one has to do with your ego, having pride in yourself

You are talking about something different here

What you are talking about here is neither the practical need for approval (performance-wise) nor the psychological need for approval (see above). What you are talking about here is religion; the need to feel that the universe is accepting you ("validate your existence and sense of self worth"). Yes many people seek foids's approval because they see them (mistakenly obviously) as the priestess of the great world goddess. Of course that's cuck.

The word "approval" is not really appropriate to talk about fundamentally religious urges and needs. "Ego" is also a religious concept ("deny your ego"). It should be dealt with by considering the religious context as a whole; not only the question of who approves of whom.

What you need from the customer is their trust, what you really need from them is A SALE.

You obviously never sold anything real (I mean not a stock) to anyone.

Not all jobs revolve around interacting with people

No but the company does. So indirectly, you do too.

But what does dignity matter?

We need a sense of dignity. Denying it is cope.

I just want the wealth required to live a comfortable life, I don't care about approval, or admiration, or love, or dignity, or any of that. None of that shit matters when you are hungry, none of that shit matters when you are horny lol.

Wealth is the result of approval by others. To earn it, you need to cooperate with others. Others will cooperate if they approve of you.

If you don't cooperate, you die.

All that exists in this world is your needs and desires,

Those needs can only be achieved with the cooperation of others. Cooperation requires approval.

You can of course be a criminal and steel what you need. Ok. But you won't live long. Even in prison you have to cooperate if you don't want to end up bleeding to death on the showers floor.

And even criminals need religion, ie credit masturbation ("validate your existence and sense of self worth")

this is literally what creates a cuck

Brown pill

vomit

I think your post doesn't even apply to incels, because it assumes male approval is worth something.

Of an experienced man in a work environment? It is worth your paycheck

NEWS FLASH-- it's as abundant as dick itself. worthless. I can get male approval at the snap of my fingers.

Oh yeah? Go work for an old dude who operates a garage or a mechanical workshop and earn his approval. "snap of my fingers." my ass

To be honest, you are right in the sense that my beliefs would not make the world a better more orderly place. I just want the world to burn

That just means that you and your kind will eliminate yourself from the world. Bye, Bye.

Also I think incels don't really care about female approval as much as you think. We care more about getting cuddles, and sex. We don't care about their opinions.

Really? Why do I read the expression "female validation" so often on this forum?

 

[JayGoptri]

now this is a greycel moment

betacel lives! Fake ass mercenary who follows nothing dies.

seeking male approval ONLY is total faggotry to some extent. I recognize that it's impossible to avoid the need to seek approval, so I think it's okay to have feelings of needing to seek female approval, especially waifus or imaginary females sometimes but not to a simpy degree.

What the f***? Are you on shrooms?

[UWSL]You seek approval from imaginary females? I think you mean you sexually fantasize about them. Any approval/credit you seek from an imaginary person is also totally imaginary man. Also what your saying is, even in your imagination you are slave to female approval? That is what has inevitably happened by pretending you are like Chad and alpha male. [/UWSL]

 

[BlkPillPres]

If you trade stocks on your own, it is not work, it is gambling. Same as online poker.

If you want to trade securities professionally, you have to work for a Bank, a stockbroker, etc. Same deal as above.

Lol wrong, it is a job, it is work, if you said this to a pro retail trader they'd laugh at you

Also there are a lot of ex-institutional traders that are now retail traders, imagine how ridiculous it would be to tell them when they now apply the same skills they used to trade for a bank, to trade for themselves, its no longer work

Its still work, the only thing that changed is who they're working for

You are talking about the psychological need to seek approval. That is there to, No use denying it.

Once again, saying "its there" and saying "its impossible to not seek it out" are two completely different things

Also, its only there because you are socialized to be like that, it's not instinct, its because other people are around. If you were alone on an island all of a sudden approval doesn't matter, but hunger doesn't go away, because its part of your physical body, the desire for approval is just in your mind and mostly has to do with values you were raised to have

This is why the whole "its impossible not to chase after it" thing makes no sense, because you wouldn't say "it's impossible not to be blue pilled" (another set of values you were raised to believe in, but you abandoned those values now didn't you?)

Nature has done things well. It has endowed with an instinctual psychological need to seek approval.

There is no such thing, its all socialized.

Next thing you're going to tell me that we have instincts not to kill and to not steal

No, that's all socialization

Put us back in the wild and take away all the tech, and we'll go right back to raping and killing

Stop confusing socialized norms with instincts

That need is made to be satisfied by other males, in a work environment. Period.

I think I'll end the conversation here lol, this is pointless, you clearly value humans too much, especially the judgements of other men. If you can't see past that I can't convince you of anything.

Also:

View: https://youtu.be/375RG5TF8bQ?t=8

 

[Iranianoldcel]

Let us suppose you are living in the early 1900s, in a time where gender roles were clearer.

You are 16 and an apprentice in printer's shop (big mechanical printers). For the first six months you mess up all the time. The big machines are tricky to adjust and you can't get it right. The paper gets torn up between the rollers. The ink is either to fluid and the letters are blurry, or there is not enough of it. The color layers are not aligned and they bleed into each other.

View attachment 522680

Then one day you get it right. You print a run of 1000 product catalogues for some hardware store and they come out just perfect.

The shop owner comes near your work station, gives a look at the freshly printed catalogues and tells you "good work son". That is male approval.

Then you bring one of the catalogues back home and show it to your mother. She says "oh that's so sweet Henry, you are a real master printer now", and she kisses you on the forehead. That is female approval.

Today male approval is in short supply (and every effort is made to eliminate it completely). Female approval, on the other hand, is plentiful but it is mostly of the fake kind: "TeeHee, you completely messed up, but you are a still a good boy whatever you do".

If you don't seek male approval, you will be a slave to female approval.

Most Incels seek to "ascend" because they unconsciously think that a gf is going to be a source of female approval, which they crave. It's a trap. Don't go there even in thought.

High IQ post

 

[K9Otaku]

Lol wrong, it is a job, it is work, if you said this to a pro retail trader they'd laugh at you

Of course, they want to sell a trading account to you. They are not saying it is gambling ...

Also there are a lot of ex-institutional traders that are now retail traders,

Of course. That is different. Trading on your own after acquiring skills and a network of contacts, that's fine.

But did you do that ? Did you learn the skills and acquire contacts in a professional environment ? If not, you are a gambler in denial.

Also, its only there because you are socialized to be like that, it's not instinct,

That's debatable, at best. We are social primates. All social primates have approval seeking instincts

If you were alone on an island all of a sudden approval doesn't matter,

Never happens irl (except in the Age of Sail). For a simple reason. Humans evolved as social primates.

the desire for approval is just in your mind and mostly has to do with values you were raised to have

Again, debatable. We have linguistic instincts and cooperation instincts (as social mammals). This makes it likely that we also have approval seeking instincts.

This is why the whole "its impossible not to chase after it" thing makes no sense, because you wouldn't say "it's impossible not to be blue pilled"

The bluepill is definitely culture. Approval seeking is instinct imo.

There is no such thing, its all socialized.

How do you know? The preponderance of evidence points towards instinct for approval seeking.

"its all socialized" sounds a lot like "gender is a social construct"

Next thing you're going to tell me that we have instincts not to kill and to not steal

Never said that.

Put us back in the wild and take away all the tech, and we'll go right back to raping and killing

Maybe, but we will rape and kill in a band, not on our own. We are social mammals, like Gorillas and Chimps.

We will seek approval about the way we rape and kill. This is basically what all "barbarians" did.

Wrong. I don't get male approval, either, despite trying.

You are probably not trying right. Learn a trade. Go work for a small business where the shop owner is directly your boss. He will appreciate your work because his survival depends on it.

I know that there are less and less jobs like that. But still, there are some and not many people are trying to apply.

 

[Canto58]

Male normies are fucking evil bro

 

[K9Otaku]

Male normies are fucking evil bro

Yes. Many are. But there are degrees. In certain situations, like small businesses, you can still find men who will appreciate a job well done.

 

[JayGoptri]

Yes. Many are. But there are degrees. In certain situations, like small businesses, you can still find men who will appreciate a job well done.

True, I believe.

 

[Deleted member 37269]

If you don't seek male approval, you will be a slave to female approval.

Both are different. Male approval can not replace female approval. We will always be slaves for female approval, even including all the incels here who will deny it. Everyone is trapped by their biological minds, we cannot escape it.

 

[K9Otaku]

True, I believe.

Especially in shithole countries.

In India, for example, there are still plenty of situations like that.

Both are different. Male approval can not replace female approval. We will always be slaves for female approval, even including all the incels here who will deny it. Everyone is trapped by their biological minds, we cannot escape it.

I don't believe we need female approval when we are no longer kids.

We need sex, all right. But that is different from approval.

Modern culture has made us addicted to female approval for life through an excessive feminization of the school system and the media. There is nothing inevitable about that. It can be reversed.

 

[BlkPillPres]

you can still find men who will appreciate a job well done.

Are you from a single mother home?

 

[K9Otaku]

Are you from a single mother home?

No. My father was quite domineering (Japanese style) and very present. Still is ...

If you go to many not so developed countries (India, the Middle East, LatAm), you will find many. many, many small businesses run by men who have apprentices. When the apprentice makes progress, they express approval. It even still exists in richer countries, but you have to look for garages, small mechanical shops, construction companies, farms ...

 

[Deleted member 37269]

I don't believe we need female approval when we are no longer kids.

We need sex, all right. But that is different from approval.

Modern culture has made us addicted to female approval for life through an excessive feminization of the school system and the media. There is nothing inevitable about that. It can be reversed.

We need sex. But we need intimacy too, and intimacy is a form of female approval. We are hard wired to look for intimacy.

 

[Deleted member 21821]

Pretend gangster "nigga jiggas" talk...And if you're black, you are a weak skinny twig chap

What's up IT? Don't you have a filthy toilet to simp for?
Disgusting sand nigger humanoid curry chimpanzee be acting all triggered up because of RaCiAl SlUrS
Get out of here bitchkid

 

[JoeBruhcel]

Also I think incels don't really care about female approval as much as you think. We care more about getting cuddles, and sex. We don't care about their opinions.

you will never get "cuddles and sex" from a female if she doesn't like you (unless it a prostitute), which is an opinion, so you ultimately care about her opinion no matter if you realize it or not.

Are you from a single mother home?

I do think a fatherless home/environment plays a big part in this, a child can't just work and get paid from 0-13 years old so his motivation and guidance is supposed to be from his parents and specifically the father and most here don't have a "father" or had an abusive "father".

 

[K9Otaku]

We need sex. But we need intimacy too, and intimacy is a form of female approval. We are hard wired to look for intimacy.

It depends what you call intimacy.

If you are talking about cuddles, yes, that is a form of female approval and should be avoided. If by intimacy, you are just talking about lying in bed naked next to someone, the approval can be in either direction. In the past, women received male approval from their husbands when they cooked well, took good care of the animals in the farm, made the house all clean an nice smelling, etc ...

You have to remember that in the past, every house was a small business, either a farm or a shop. The man was the business owner and his wife was basically an employee on a long term contract (which is what a marriage contract is). Women got male approval (or disapproval) then. Not the reverse. In those days, men did not need cuddles as adults because at 6 to 8 their education was taken over by men. They were made to work and were weened off female cuddles/approval. This was most stark in Spartan society but it was pretty much the same everywhere.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

you will never get "cuddles and sex" from a female if she doesn't like you (unless it a prostitute), which is an opinion, so you ultimately care about her opinion no matter if you realize it or not.

I do think a fatherless home/environment plays a big part in this, a child can't just work and get paid from 0-13 years old so his motivation and guidance is supposed to be from his parents and specifically the father and most here don't have a "father" or had an abusive "father".

I only care insofar that they would not be retaliatory towards me. Its not about the mental, or spiritual it's about the serotonin experiences such as that give you. Romantic love is evil. The more unsentimental the more healthy it feels.

 

[JoeBruhcel]

But what does dignity matter?

If you didn't care about dignity and only cared about your sexual desires then you would've already betabuxxed a roastie and be happy when she cucks you, your pride and dignity is what's stopping you, but you will probably say because it's not worth it.

none of that shit matters when you are horny lol.

every cuck could use that to justify betabuxxing and settling for a landwhale, you wouldn't fuck a landwhale if you were exteremely horny but you would drink your own piss if you were dying of thirst.

 

[K9Otaku]

If you didn't care about dignity then you would've already betabuxxed a roastie and be happy when she cucks you, your pride and dignity is what's stopping you.

Correct

 

[BlkPillPres]

No. My father was quite domineering (Japanese style) and very present. Still is ...

If you go to many not so developed countries (India, the Middle East, LatAm), you will find many. many, many small businesses run by men who have apprentices. When the apprentice makes progress, they express approval. It even still exists in richer countries, but you have to look for garages, small mechanical shops, construction companies, farms ...

I had to ask, because from my perspective you are placing way too much importance on this, I'd say you value it too much.

So the first thing I'm thinking is that you didn't have a father figure so you were missing that


The thing is, you can get approval and that approval will send you down a path towards mediocrity and even poverty

I mean think about it, most of us got approval from our parents for focusing on our academics and working towards "getting a job" one day

They placed no importance on starting a business, understanding how money actually works, investing, how to do your taxes, tax law, etc

We got a lot of approval for doing well in school (I was at the top of my class at one point) and where did that land us, stuck in the lives were in now, only now realizing what's actually important when it comes to becoming successful, were late to the game