Born too early for a robot wife, born too late to easily get a wife pre-Feminism

[ShadesChan]

It’s hard to find a generation of men more screwed in the dating market than Gen Z (and maybe Gen Alpha) men

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Seems like you have a rather long AI timeline if you think we will not get Ai sexbots within our lifetimes.

With what by now seems clearly possible in terms of tech, the dating market matters little in comparison to what we missed out of by being born a few decades to early, assuming there actually will be anyone being born in a few decades and also assuming aging isn't cured within our lifetimes and we get to see all the cool stuff for ourselfs.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

yeah

 

[TBIcel]

It's not exactly any better for millennials either tbf only thing is now most of the toilets are hitting the wall so I can at least laugh at their misery as Chad no longer wants them.

 

[ShadesChan]

Seems like you have a rather long AI timeline if you think we will not get Ai sexbots within our lifetimes.

With what by now seems clearly possible in terms of tech, the dating market matters little in comparison to what we missed out of by being born a few decades to early, assuming there actually will be anyone being born in a few decades and also assuming aging isn't cured within our lifetimes and we get to see all the cool stuff for ourselfs.

I tend to have a short AI timeline. In fact; I believe that AI sexbots will become popular in 10-20 years or so. I pointed out Gen Z men because we will miss this boat during our prime dating years and not have the luxury of avoiding the distress of pursuing women. It’s possible that if we have a bad AI winter this will also apply to Gen Alpha men.

There is the issue of robotics. A Replika is easy to create but it’s still just a chatbot. To have a good robot wife, we need an autonomous robot that can also be a chatbot with long term memory. This is a very major problem in robotics and machine learning (particularly the long term memory frame aspect)

 

[ShadesChan]

It's not exactly any better for millennials either tbf only thing is now most of the toilets are hitting the wall so I can at least laugh at their misery as Chad no longer wants them.

I would say the Millennial generation was the turning point as the first feminist generation. When you look at generation-Z couples, it’s always the same story. Tall handsome guy dating a bridgetroll because that’s all he could get. It’s just not like that with Millennials.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I tend to have a short AI timeline. In fact; I believe that AI sexbots will become popular in 10-20 years or so. I pointed out Gen Z men because we will miss this boat during our prime dating years and not have the luxury of avoiding the distress of pursuing women. It’s possible that if we have a bad AI winter this will also apply to Gen Alpha men.

There is the issue of robotics. A Replika is easy to create but it’s still just a chatbot. To have a good robot wife, we need an autonomous robot that can also be a chatbot with long term memory. This is a very major problem in robotics and machine learning (particularly the long term memory frame aspect)

Ok, but my point remains the exact same. With the technological progress / threats we can already see on the horizon by now life in the future seems likely to be infinitely better or worse than life now, and dating related issues simply can't top what might come next, for better or worse.

 

[prajeet88]

It's hard to find a generation of men more privileged then chad GenZ tallfags.

 

[gangrenemax]

It’s hard to find a generation of men more screwed in the dating market than Gen Z (and maybe Gen Alpha) men

such truth I'll actually be so happy with a robo waifu and just live in the woods by myself. grow my own wheat, forage for food and hunt and just spend a fulfilling life with her. I would be happy if someone invested better into the current silicone dolls added breathing and body warmth and some chatbot ai speech with mouth movements I'd melt and just spend days in bed with her

 

[Dravidiancel]

Never began for us.When sex bots arrive I'll be stuck to the bed with my wrinkly penis still browsing this forum

 

[ShadesChan]

Ok, but my point remains the exact same. With the technological progress / threats we can already see on the horizon by now life in the future seems likely to be infinitely better or worse than life now, and dating related issues simply can't top what might come next, for better or worse.

Yeah with that I agree. Personally I think life will be much better because of all the issues technological progress tends to solve.

Assuming that life will be better as a result of technological innovation, what won’t we be missing out on in terms of dating? With robot wives, you can design your own wife, how she looks, and her personality. We can’t do that now and what we can do (try to appease roasties) is vastly inferior.

I don’t think that our dating issues will be nearly as important as the issues to come (things like Transhumanism, a potential singularity, mass unemployment, astrocolonialism, etc). But it’s still a relevant microcosm of potential future issues that is already relevant. If you go to feminist communities, most of them are assuredly freaking out over the prospect of robot wives and artificial wombs.

 

[Suicide Sheep]

As a codecel, I can confidently say that the AI revolution (as a "consciousness") is over, as we have reached the point of diminishing returns already. Every algorithm needs an input to produce an output based on a set of rules and probabilities, meaning that their results will always be determinable and unconscious. To truly create an AI with actual human traits, something beyond computing would need to be conceptualized and created.

The very best you can expect for the future is an unaffordable sex robot integrated with sensors and a text to speech generator. Just like Alexa and others, she will convert your voice inputs to a prompt so you can trigger its commands. Better models might even be able to navigate through your house thanks to its sensors, but it won't be able to surprise you in any meaningful way. And, of course, she will send reports to its manufacturer company so they can sell your data (3D scans, your conversations, and whatnot) for some big profits.

My prediction for the future is what data is already showing: a new Darwin wave in the form of a decline in reproduction rates, triggered by numerous factors. The only difference is that this time around, being the strongest or smartest won't matter.

 

[ShadesChan]

As a codecel, I can confidently say that the AI revolution (as a "consciousness") is over, as we have reached the point of diminishing returns already. Every algorithm needs an input to produce an output based on a set of rules and probabilities, meaning that their results will always be determinable and unconscious. To truly create an AI with actual human traits, something beyond computing would need to be conceptualized and created.

The very best you can expect for the future is an unaffordable sex robot integrated with sensors and a text to speech generator. Just like Alexa and others, she will convert your voice inputs to a prompt so you can trigger its commands. Better models might even be able to navigate through your house thanks to its sensors, but it won't be able to surprise you in any meaningful way. And, of course, she will send reports to its manufacturer company so they can sell your data (3D scans, your conversations, and whatnot) for some big profits.

My prediction for the future is what data is already showing: a new Darwin wave in the form of a decline in reproduction rates, triggered by numerous factors. The only difference is that this time around, being the strongest or smartest won't matter.

I assume there’s probably many fellow codecels on this forum because we tend to be nerdy and autistic.

You’re right about alogarithms needing input to produce a certain output, but ultimately human brains do that as well. Just on an absolutely grander scale than even our best models do, even the ones trained with the most parameters. What do you mean by “something beyond computing”?

 

[Suicide Sheep]

I assume there’s probably many fellow codecels on this forum because we tend to be nerdy and autistic.

Yup, there are. I noticed this early on too. I'm autistic btw

You’re right about alogarithms needing input to produce a certain output, but ultimately human brains do that as well. Just on an absolutely grander scale than even our best models do, even the ones trained with the most parameters.

In a way, yes, but there are some minor key differences that no amount of parameters will remedy, such as having thoughts and connecting them to come up with new ideias.
AI is not conscious, it just mimics conscious people by receiving an enormous amount of data produced by them and using it to predict the future, just like how Google's search bar predicts what you will type, for instance.
Like any other algorithm created so far (from calculators to AI art), AI's purpose is to automatize and/or assist professionals with their tasks.

What do you mean by “something beyond computing”?

I mean creating something more advanced than computers and the way they work.
I believe that just like how people in the industrial era couldn't conceptualize computers, we won't be able to conceptualize the next technologies to come until we do.

 

[ShadesChan]

In a way, yes, but there are some minor key differences that no amount of parameters will remedy, such as having thoughts and connecting them to come up with new ideias.
AI is not conscious, it just mimics conscious people by receiving an enormous amount of data produced by them and using it to predict the future, just like how Google's search bar predicts what you will type, for instance.
Like any other algorithm created so far (from calculators to AI art), AI's purpose is to automatize and/or assist professionals with their tasks.

Yeah that is a very major limitation of current ML research, one that ML researchers are desperately attempting to fix. And at the end of the day, our brains are able to do it so it’s clearly possible to compute. I doubt there’s something the brain can do that cognitive scientists will never figure out. I suspect that as we figure out how to emulate more and more cognitive functions we will have bursts of research productivity that will accelerate our returns. As for us hitting the point of diminishing returns as you mentioned earlier; we are currently seeing major returns in more novel areas of research like diffusion. It’s probably exploring new fields opened up to us by new discoveries that will fuel the field of ML until we can emulate general intelligence.

To relate this to the conversation, I don’t think we need general intelligence to emulate a convincing enough robot wife. In fact, it might be better to avoid the ethical dilemmas of “owning” a generally intelligent autonomous robot.

I mean creating something more advanced than computers and the way they work.
I believe that just like how people in the industrial era couldn't conceptualize computers, we won't be able to conceptualize the next technologies to come until we do.

Even if so I don’t know how we can go “beyond computing” when it comes to emulating intelligence when intelligence itself is fundamentally computational.

 

[Suicide Sheep]

Yeah that is a very major limitation of current ML research, one that ML researchers are desperately attempting to fix. And at the end of the day, our brains are able to do it so it’s clearly possible to compute. I doubt there’s something the brain can do that cognitive scientists will never figure out. I suspect that as we figure out how to emulate more and more cognitive functions we will have bursts of research productivity that will accelerate our returns. As for us hitting the point of diminishing returns as you mentioned earlier; we are currently seeing major returns in more novel areas of research like diffusion. It’s probably exploring new fields opened up to us by new discoveries that will fuel the field of ML until we can emulate general intelligence.

Depends on what you take for general intelligence. For me, it makes much more sense to refer to it as internet of things (IOT) than comparing it to an actual intelligence.
I believe that it's towards the concept of connecting components capable of only completing individual tasks that we will head towards in the short term future, similarly to how we use APIs to enhance websites.

To relate this to the conversation, I don’t think we need general intelligence to emulate a convincing enough robot wife. In fact, it might be better to avoid the ethical dilemmas of “owning” a generally intelligent autonomous robot.

Yeah, I believe it will be able to satisfy a higher quantity of men than our current dolls do, possibly me included, as I grew apathetic to the evil nature of humans in general and never miss them. As long as there are ways to illegally protect my data, I will be fine. Dolls like the robot twins from Atomic Heart would be perfect for someone like me .
The ones I'm worrying about are the significant amount of incels here who genuinely want non-fictional characters as their girlfriends. I predict that even If they were to adquire a robot girlfriend, they would still envy Chad for being able to date and fuck a greater variety of human girls for cheaper, as well as for being able to show them to the public and for having human tier conversations with them.

Even if so I don’t know how we can go “beyond computing” when it comes to emulating intelligence when intelligence itself is fundamentally computational.

I don't know much about neuroscience, but I believe it's unlikely that the way our brains work can be logically identical to computer algorithms. Who knows, maybe the next technologies we are talking about will be inspired on biological tissues or something. We are still really far from fully figuring brains out, both animals' and ours, so there are possibilities.