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Participants in multiple studies perceived autistic women more favorably than autistic men and are more willing to hang out with or talk to autistic women than autistic men. In fact, participants perceived NT women more favorably than NT men and were more willing to hang out with NT women than NT men, but preferred NT men over autistic women and autistic women over autistic men. They found this to be true even when controlling for masking which autistic women often are better at doing (which causes underdiagnosis). They concluded it's possible that being a woman made someone more socially desirable than lacking autism traits.

Study 1

Prior research has shown that less favourable first impressions are formed of autistic adults by non-autistic observers. Autistic females may present differently to autistic males and could engage in more camouflaging behaviours, which could affect these first impressions. However, research has not yet tested for gender differences in the first impressions of autistic adults. In the current study, non-autistic observers (n = 205) viewed either 10-sec video clips or text transcripts in the context of a mock job interview by 10 autistic females and 10 autistic males, matched to 10 non-autistic females and 10 non-autistic males. They then rated each stimulus on personality traits (e.g., awkwardness) and behavioural intentions (e.g., “I would start a conversation with this person”). Non-autistic observers were blind to diagnostic status of the individuals in either modality. Results showed that first impressions were less favourable overall of autistic adults in the video modality. Furthermore, autistic females were rated more favourably than autistic males in the video modality across most traits—but autistic females were also rated less favourably than both non-autistic females and males. Some judgements were also made in the text modality, whereby more favourable first impressions were made of autistic males on the basis of speech content.
In total, 53 males and 74 females were recruited; one male was transgender and categorised according to their identified gender. Participants were aged 18 to 40 years (males: M = 27.17, SD = 6.05, females: M = 24.08, SD = 5.51). They were required to have no ASC, or any uncorrected visual or hearing impairments, and to speak English as their first language. These criteria ensured the participant-raters were similar to the participants being observed (hereafter referred to as participant-stimuli) in terms of age and cultural background.
20 autistic women (mean age=25.45, SD=7.9), 20 autistic men (mean age=25.85, SD=6.06), 20 NT women (mean age=27.75, SD=5.82) and 20 NT men (mean age=27.80, SD=5.94) were rated by participants.

RESULTS
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STUDY 2

10 autistic men and 10 autistic women (mean age=22.75, SD=3.7) and 10 NT men and 10 NT women (mean age=23.35, SD=4.61) were stimuli participants to be rated and observant participants were 167 women (81.5%), and 38 men (18.5%) with a mean age of 20.58 (SD=3.96). In the video modality, there were 89 females (81.7%) and 20 males (18.3%) with a mean age of 20.46 (SD = 3.61) years, and in the text modality, there were 78 females (81.3%) and 18 males (18.8%) with a mean age of 20.71 (SD = 4.32) years. Gender of observer was controlled for in all analyses. 28 participants (13.7%) reported that they had a family member with an autism diagnosis, and none had a diagnosis of autism themselves. It seems like text is an easy way to mask autism, so no differences are found in people's perceptions when it comes to text speech.
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STUDY 3

15 autistic girls (mean age=10.89, SD=2.3), 25 autistic boys (mean age=12.07, SD=3.27), 25 autistic girls (mean age=10.23, SD=2.7), and 28 autistic boys (mean age=9.44, SD=1.89) were matched on IQ. Participants completed a 5-minute “get-to- know-you” conversation with a new young adult acquaintance. Immediately after the conversation, confederates rated participants on a variety of dimensions. Our primary analysis compared conversation ratings between groups (ASD boys, ASD girls, NT boys, NT girls). The confederates were 18 college women and 3 college men.

Results: Autistic girls were rated more positively than autistic boys by novel conversation partners (better perceived social communication ability), despite comparable autism symptom severity as rated by expert clinicians (equivalent true social communication ability). Boys with ASD were rated more negatively than typical boys and typical girls by novel conversation partners as well as expert clinicians. There was no significant difference in the first impressions made by autistic girls compared to typical girls during conversations with a novel conversation partner, but autistic girls were rated lower than typical girls by expert clinicians.

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Notice how people rated NT women more positively than NT men and were more willing to hang out with NT women than NT men. They also rated autistic women better than autistic men, but didn't rate autist women as positively as NT men. Explained here:

"The current study makes a unique contribution in understanding how gender influences first impressions. Although autistic females were rated more favourably than autistic males across most traits, they were rated less favourably than non-autistic females and non-autistic males across numerous traits. While some prior research has reported no gender differences in camouflaging behaviour [Cage et al., 2018; Hull et al., 2017], Lai et al. [2017] argue that autistic females may camouflage with greater success than autistic males. However, the current findings do not necessarily support this hypothesis. Rather, they suggest that autistic females do have a differ- ent social presentation to autistic males, and because non-autistic females were also rated more positively than non-autistic males, there could be a “protective female effect” rather than camouflaging effect. This protective effect may relate to socialisation or biological differences [Hyde, 2014] that prompt the perceiver to view females more positively. Although males and females are more similar than they are different on psychological variables, Hyde [2005] discusses how assumptions are often made about gender which impacts on outcomes, from the workplace to relationships. Gendered expectations could bias the perceptions of the social abilities of autistic indi- viduals, which may further relate to camouflaging [Dean, Harwood, & Kasari, 2017]. Simply presenting as female could promote positive first impressions, but perceivers are still sensitive to autistic differences in social presentation. Interestingly, autistic females in our sample had higher RAADS scores than autistic males, indicative of more autistic characteristics. Despite this, the autistic females were perceived more positively than autistic males. Thus, we cannot rule out that autistic females were camouflaging their autistic characteristics to a greater extent. It should be noted, however, that the current study did not measure the camouflaging strategies of the stimuli participants, which future research should do to further test camouflaging efficacy. Since autistic females were still negatively judged in comparison to non-autistic females and males, any camouflaging strategies undertaken by autistic females do not necessarily translate into more positive first impressions. It may also be the case that autistic males camouflage but are not as skilled in doing so, which could contribute to more negative first impressions. Nonetheless, in terms of effect sizes, some of the biggest differences were noted between autistic females and non-autistic females, suggesting that negative first impressions of autistic females remain to be substantial."

CONCLUSION

It seems like even when controlling for masking, autistic women still are perceived more positively and people are more willing to hang out with them. Lots of evidence shows that autistic women aren't particularly less likely than NT people to experience relationships and sex but autistic men are. When searching on Google, i found a good amount of anecdotal evidence that many autistic women prefer dating NT men. Although autistic women are more likely to be victims of intimate partner violence and unwanted sexual experiences, the perpetrators could be NT men.

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Introduction:

Participants in multiple studies perceived autistic women more favorably than autistic men and are more willing to hang out with or talk to autistic women than autistic men. In fact, participants perceived NT women more favorably than NT men and were more willing to hang out with NT women than NT men, but preferred NT men over autistic women and autistic women over autistic men. They found this to be true even when controlling for masking which autistic women often are better at doing (which causes underdiagnosis). They concluded it's possible that being a woman made someone more socially desirable than lacking autism traits.

Study 1



20 autistic women (mean age=25.45, SD=7.9), 20 autistic men (mean age=25.85, SD=6.06), 20 NT women (mean age=27.75, SD=5.82) and 20 NT men (mean age=27.80, SD=5.94) were rated by participants.

RESULTS
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STUDY 2

10 autistic men and 10 autistic women (mean age=22.75, SD=3.7) and 10 NT men and 10 NT women (mean age=23.35, SD=4.61) were stimuli participants to be rated and observant participants were 167 women (81.5%), and 38 men (18.5%) with a mean age of 20.58 (SD=3.96). In the video modality, there were 89 females (81.7%) and 20 males (18.3%) with a mean age of 20.46 (SD = 3.61) years, and in the text modality, there were 78 females (81.3%) and 18 males (18.8%) with a mean age of 20.71 (SD = 4.32) years. Gender of observer was controlled for in all analyses. 28 participants (13.7%) reported that they had a family member with an autism diagnosis, and none had a diagnosis of autism themselves. It seems like text is an easy way to mask autism, so no differences are found in people's perceptions when it comes to text speech.
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STUDY 3

15 autistic girls (mean age=10.89, SD=2.3), 25 autistic boys (mean age=12.07, SD=3.27), 25 autistic girls (mean age=10.23, SD=2.7), and 28 autistic boys (mean age=9.44, SD=1.89) were matched on IQ. Participants completed a 5-minute “get-to- know-you” conversation with a new young adult acquaintance. Immediately after the conversation, confederates rated participants on a variety of dimensions. Our primary analysis compared conversation ratings between groups (ASD boys, ASD girls, NT boys, NT girls). The confederates were 18 college women and 3 college men.

Results: Autistic girls were rated more positively than autistic boys by novel conversation partners (better perceived social communication ability), despite comparable autism symptom severity as rated by expert clinicians (equivalent true social communication ability). Boys with ASD were rated more negatively than typical boys and typical girls by novel conversation partners as well as expert clinicians. There was no significant difference in the first impressions made by autistic girls compared to typical girls during conversations with a novel conversation partner, but autistic girls were rated lower than typical girls by expert clinicians.

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Notice how people rated NT women more positively than NT men and were more willing to hang out with NT women than NT men. They also rated autistic women better than autistic men, but didn't rate autist women as positively as NT men. Explained here:

"The current study makes a unique contribution in understanding how gender influences first impressions. Although autistic females were rated more favourably than autistic males across most traits, they were rated less favourably than non-autistic females and non-autistic males across numerous traits. While some prior research has reported no gender differences in camouflaging behaviour [Cage et al., 2018; Hull et al., 2017], Lai et al. [2017] argue that autistic females may camouflage with greater success than autistic males. However, the current findings do not necessarily support this hypothesis. Rather, they suggest that autistic females do have a differ- ent social presentation to autistic males, and because non-autistic females were also rated more positively than non-autistic males, there could be a “protective female effect” rather than camouflaging effect. This protective effect may relate to socialisation or biological differences [Hyde, 2014] that prompt the perceiver to view females more positively. Although males and females are more similar than they are different on psychological variables, Hyde [2005] discusses how assumptions are often made about gender which impacts on outcomes, from the workplace to relationships. Gendered expectations could bias the perceptions of the social abilities of autistic indi- viduals, which may further relate to camouflaging [Dean, Harwood, & Kasari, 2017]. Simply presenting as female could promote positive first impressions, but perceivers are still sensitive to autistic differences in social presentation. Interestingly, autistic females in our sample had higher RAADS scores than autistic males, indicative of more autistic characteristics. Despite this, the autistic females were perceived more positively than autistic males. Thus, we cannot rule out that autistic females were camouflaging their autistic characteristics to a greater extent. It should be noted, however, that the current study did not measure the camouflaging strategies of the stimuli participants, which future research should do to further test camouflaging efficacy. Since autistic females were still negatively judged in comparison to non-autistic females and males, any camouflaging strategies undertaken by autistic females do not necessarily translate into more positive first impressions. It may also be the case that autistic males camouflage but are not as skilled in doing so, which could contribute to more negative first impressions. Nonetheless, in terms of effect sizes, some of the biggest differences were noted between autistic females and non-autistic females, suggesting that negative first impressions of autistic females remain to be substantial."

CONCLUSION

It seems like even when controlling for masking, autistic women still are perceived more positively and people are more willing to hang out with them. Lots of evidence shows that autistic women aren't particularly less likely than NT people to experience relationships and sex but autistic men are. When searching on Google, i found a good amount of anecdotal evidence that many autistic women prefer dating NT men. Although autistic women are more likely to be victims of intimate partner violence and unwanted sexual experiences, the perpetrators could be NT men.

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Yeah because autistic women are still women at the end of the day :feelswhat:
 
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Did we really need a study to confirm what we can perceive directly?
 
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In conclusion: autistic women are more sociable and can manage their autism better because they have a hole and choose NT men and should be stoned to death :feelskek:
 
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Feminists like to claim the opposite, that it’s autistic men that have it easier which is far from the truth.
 
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Feminists like to claim the opposite, that it’s autistic women that have it easier which is far from the truth.
How is that far from the truth? Of course autistic women have it easier. Women always have it easier :feelswhat:
 
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How is that far from the truth? Of course autistic women have it easier. Women always have it easier :feelswhat:
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Based and NTpilled as always.
Even being slightly weird or different is a death sentence for a lot of men.
 
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Based and NTpilled as always.
Even being slightly weird or different is a death sentence for a lot of men.
And masking is futile. People will still notice something about you unless you’re borderline NT
 
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It is men of all mental illnesses.
 

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As a mentalcel i can relate:cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels: was bullied my entire life and was told to kill myself by 1/10 landwhales because i am “insane” and was scarred all over my body:society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society:

While efoids with mental illnesses are seen as “cute” and “unique” and “misunderstood” i was bullied and ridiculed with the scars they have left on my bodycas my only friends:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree:

FUCKING NORMIES THEY DONT KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE ON KIKEMEDS AND LIVE IN MENTAL WARDS :society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society:
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We honestly wouldn't even need studies to come to this conclusion. No matter what, women are looked at in a far more pleasant light than men no matter what.
 
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We honestly wouldn't even need studies to come to this conclusion. No matter what, women are looked at in a far more pleasant light than men no matter what.
 
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“protective female effect”
= Women are Wonderful
It seems like even when controlling for masking, autistic women still are perceived more positively and people are more willing to hang out with them. Lots of evidence shows that autistic women aren't particularly less likely than NT people to experience relationships and sex but autistic men are. When searching on Google, i found a good amount of anecdotal evidence that many autistic women prefer dating NT men. Although autistic women are more likely to be victims of intimate partner violence and unwanted sexual experiences, the perpetrators could be NT men.
I won't deny that autistic women face hardships due to their disability, but it really does appear to be the case that autistic women aren't nearly hindered as much by their disability than your typical ASD guy. Fuck, this sucks. I still wouldn't want to be born a women in all honesty even if I was reincarnated 1 million times. This was a great read, seems guys get the short end of the stick be default.
 
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This is just more "water is wet" that I could have gleaned from my own personal life experiences. Feels like a really obvious "duh" moment, but it's incredibly necessary to highlight these findings, as so many doubters exist, even here on this sub, about how autistic men are perceived and treated in the real world.

i found a good amount of anecdotal evidence that many autistic women prefer dating NT men.
:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee: FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT AUTISTIC WHORES COCKSUCKING BITCHES!!!!!!!! I hate that they do this, and that they are able to do it! And I hate that NT men are taking full advantage of it!!!! WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO DATE US IF EVEN OUR OWN WOMEN DON'T WANT US?!?!?!?!?!?

(By the way, autistic men and asian men have a lot more in common than asian men will admit)
 
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This is just more "water is wet" that I could have gleaned from my own personal life experiences. Feels like a really obvious "duh" moment, but it's incredibly necessary to highlight these findings, as so many doubters exist, even here on this sub, about how autistic men are perceived and treated in the real world.


:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee::reeeeee: FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT AUTISTIC WHORES COCKSUCKING BITCHES!!!!!!!! I hate that they do this, and that they are able to do it! And I hate that NT men are taking full advantage of it!!!! WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO DATE US IF EVEN OUR OWN WOMEN DON'T WANT US?!?!?!?!?!?

(By the way, autistic men and asian men have a lot more in common than asian men will admit)
Autistic women are maybe seen as quirky but intriguing while autistic men are treated like outcasts. Most autistic women act NT but the ones who don’t might just be seen as quirky

I remember a couple months ago in an autistic program at a meeting where these NT women who were peer coaches taught us dating advice, they asked us if any of us are in a relationship and none raised our hands except the one autistic woman. She has a ADHD boyfriend but ADHD is much more NT-friendly
 
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I don't know how people can deny this, I'm glad there are studies proving this but I wish it was just common sense, it feels like it is.
 
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I don't know how people can deny this, I'm glad there are studies proving this but I wish it was just common sense, it feels like it is.
We need studies to shut idiots up
 
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I remember a couple months ago in an autistic program at a meeting where these NT women who were peer coaches taught us dating advice, they asked us if any of us are in a relationship and none raised our hands except the one autistic woman.
Of course that was the case. :feelsseriously: Us autistic men are treated like lepers, at best, oftentimes even in outcast communities like this.

She has a ADHD boyfriend but ADHD is much more NT-friendly
I still don't believe ADHD is anything real. It's just NTs who can't sit still.
 
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Brutal. But women are generally more interested in the social domain. So it makes sense that an autistic woman would still try her best to fit in, whereas a man would seperate himself more and become more odd socially because of it, and therefore less desirable to women. But yeah men think it's cute if a girl is non-NT, but a guy is weird if he is. :blackpill::blackpill:
 
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As autistic men, we are bottom of the barrel.

Show this to any bluepiller soy who thinks autistic men and autistic foids are comparable.
 
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This all mirrors my miserable autistic existence :feelsrope:
i found a good amount of anecdotal evidence that many autistic women prefer dating NT men.
All the autistic females I've met over the years have had NT bf's and many even had kids in their 20's, only the most attractive of autistic men ever had some form of relationship (which never seems to last), most such as myself are just unwanted leftovers doomed to remain single.
 
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Foids can't be autistic imo. I have never seen a foid with no friends but have seen a bunch of losers like me with no friends.
 
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OP how many of your threads have been pinned?

Also where do you find all these studies? I feel like finding all these studies for you is like a job.
 
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There’s no such thing as high functioning mental disorders for foids. Any non-NT personality is accepted or seen as cute lol
 
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Good job OP, Godlike thread. This should shut peoples mouths but simpery knows no border. For anyone who is not blind this is common knowledge.

Whats weird is men have preferences for literary everything and for some guys autistic girl will be the preference over any other female. Sweet anita is your average becky look wise and autistic as hell and has tourette syndrome, and has an cult of followers kissing the ground beneath her.
 
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Yeah because autistic women are still women at the end of the day :feelswhat:


In conclusion: autistic women are more sociable and can manage their autism better because they have a hole and choose NT men and should be stoned to death :feelskek:

Feminists like to claim the opposite, that it’s autistic men that have it easier which is far from the truth.
:blackpill::blackpill::blackpill:
 
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Toilets do not experience ANY suffering. Don't come up to me and tell me "Woe is me, I'm OPPRESSED". No you aren't. Grow up and realise that you have priviledge.
 
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OP how many of your threads have been pinned?

Also where do you find all these studies? I feel like finding all these studies for you is like a job.
I look google and scholars.google.com
Good job OP, Godlike thread. This should shut peoples mouths but simpery knows no border. For anyone who is not blind this is common knowledge.

Whats weird is men have preferences for literary everything and for some guys autistic girl will be the preference over any other female. Sweet anita is your average becky look wise and autistic as hell and has tourette syndrome, and has an cult of followers kissing the ground beneath her.
its called juggernaut law
Of course that was the case. :feelsseriously: Us autistic men are treated like lepers, at best, oftentimes even in outcast communities like this.


I still don't believe ADHD is anything real. It's just NTs who can't sit still.
ubless you have intense ADHD people with adhd are more similar to NTs than they are to autists
 
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In conclusion: autistic women are more sociable and can manage their autism better because they have a hole and choose NT men and should be stoned to death :feelskek:
:yes:
 
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Water is wet. You don’t need a study to point out the obvious.
 
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Im more then willing to bet the reason for this is simply put, for women its 90 percent about looks and for men, it alot more plus looks.
 
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A woman is, a man becomes.
 
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Women are being treated better in our society no matter the situation. water is wet
 
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No shit Sherlock
 
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Based and NTpilled as always.
Even being slightly weird or different is a death sentence for a lot of men.
Humans should be genetically mind controlled to be what should be good. The good I saw in children's books when I was 5....
 
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As a mentalcel i can relate:cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels::cryfeels: was bullied my entire life and was told to kill myself by 1/10 landwhales because i am “insane” and was scarred all over my body:society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society:

While efoids with mental illnesses are seen as “cute” and “unique” and “misunderstood” i was bullied and ridiculed with the scars they have left on my bodycas my only friends:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree:

FUCKING NORMIES THEY DONT KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE ON KIKEMEDS AND LIVE IN MENTAL WARDS :society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society::society:
You should buy a few guns
 

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