Ascension checklist:

[Angry_runt]

Let's say a magical fairy grants me a wish and I find a girl who doesn't find me repulsive and wants to hook up.

1. I have to make a move, like ask her out or whatever. Can I do that without sounding like a sperg? Doubtful. Will she want to go out despite that? Doubtful. I guess I'll need more fairies to spawn another blind insane girl for me.
2. Assuming she said yes, logistics have to work out. Since I'm not Chad, any little thing could lead her to call the date off and then she'll rationalize it by realizing she didn't like me anyway.
3. But let's say it works out. We're supposed to have a fun date. Sounds easy? Sure, let me just shrug off years of loneliness, rejection, awkwardness and negativity and show a girl a good time. EZ-PZ
4. Maybe repeat (3) a few more times if I'm not the kind of guy she'll want to have sex with on the first date. Hopefully each time I'll be better at it.
5. Then I have to invite her over to my place. This is my strong point actually, my place is very nice and any gold digger would love it. But it's a big decision for her, in her mind it's akin to me asking her if she wants to have sex. If she accepts, she's saying "Yes, I want to have sex with you" to my face. Good luck with that shit.
6. Then I have to make a move and kiss her. This is another major failo point. See sex is a natural instinctive thing, kissing isn't. Kissing is more like a dance or something, and she will instantly sense my lack of experience. Is she going to have sex with someone who doesn't know how to kiss? It's not an insurmountable problem for a teenager, but good luck if you're even a little bit older.
7. Then I have to undress her and do the deed. I've learned from PUAs about "last minute resistance" and "anti-slut defenses" where girls will routinely refuse to have sex at this point. There are ways around it, but how likely is it that I'll know how to handle it? And once she goes home, she'll rationalize it by realizing she wasn't attracted to me anyway.
8. But let's say she's turned on by my body and wants to have sex. That's my second strong point. Assuming porn has taught me the mechanics of having sex and assuming I can pull it off, will she be satisfied? How long will it take me to cum? 30 seconds? 15 seconds? And then what? I-it happens to a lot of guys, right? Or maybe erectile dysfunction will kick in and it's game over. Or maybe watching porn isn't good enough to teach you how to have sex and again, game over.

But let's say it all worked out and I had sex! Once. And it only took me how many years?
So if I successfully navigate these 8 potential pitfalls (remember, that's after somehow meeting a girl who wants to hook up), the most realistic outcome is that she won't want to have sex again or to do anything else with me so I'll have to go through the entire impossibly unlikely process with another foid.

 

[Deleted member 18214]

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[Deleted member 14866]

honestly never saw it that way, brutal

 

[DaveBuster]

This is why there's no such thing as "ascension" in my opinion, unless you're extremely mentally disturbed and get that sorted or you're still going through puberty (which continues, somewhat, until 25 or so) and your would-be-cel traits turn out to just be your awkward years.

Otherwise, "ascension" is just getting sex however you do it, but still being the scum of society. Your "best" bet is to become a betabuxxer numale, who's just an incel in denial. Ascension is a myth and it's one of my least favorite terms and ideas in the incelsphere. It feeds into the narrative that the whole life experience of an incel is based on lack of sex. Sex is a symptom, one of many, and the least painful IMO.

 

[Braincel14w]

Yes you will have to do all that and fail and then do it all again with a different girl. It's called life.

 

[Hate_my_life]

Are you trying to say there's no method of ascension, because tbh you're probably right.
I'd fail at step 1.

 

[virgin4life]

I think the asking her out thing is not an issue. Just invite her for dinner and you will see if she wants to do it or not. It's easy. The problem is it just never works if you are ugly.

All the issues with kissing and fucking can be cured by training with escorts. You will at least be able to practice some basic mechanics so you will not seem like you never did it before. So basically just fuck a couple of escorts till you don't feel like a virgin anymore and then give it a try. If you are truecel you will be rejected though.

 

[Blacktarpill]

Thats too damn hard.
I would just tell her about my fetish tbh.

 

[Vermilioncore]

Good point.

I know for a fact that I will be a virgin for my entire life. I promise.

 

[Tempus Edax Rerum]

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1. Then I have to make a move and kiss her. This is another major failo point. See sex is a natural instinctive thing, kissing isn't. Kissing is more like a dance or something, and she will instantly sense my lack of experience. Is she going to have sex with someone who doesn't know how to kiss? It's not an insurmountable problem for a teenager, but good luck if you're even a little bit older.

I'm on mobile.

I just want to pitch in on this part a little bit.

Mood building.
You need to create the proper atmosphere or proper mood.

1. CLEAN place. If you have a girl coming over, you better spend the whole day CLEANING . Kitchen, bathroom, living room, bedroom. Every surface must be scrubed, cleaned, wiped. The place cannot have any dust, dirt or garbage laying around anywhere. It has to be spotless. The sink, bathroom, the refrigerator, floors they have to be thoroughly cleaned and scrubed.

2. Smell. -You need to set up air fresheners, scented candles. Your place can't smell bad or just odorless neutral. It has to look and smell nice.

3. Mood building through lighting

For example, I have these black leather couches with blue ambient neon lights below them. If you turn off the regular lights and turn on the blue neon lights which are under the couch, it gives my place this chill mood, you get the atmosphere of relaxation.

You can experiment with lights, you can even buy candles or w/e

4. Comfort food.

Something high calorie/fatty(human body loves high calorie food) and the brain loves fat since its mostly made out of fat.

So like guacamole dip, pizza, some type of salty snacks (human body loves salt since say is tied with high minerals)


5.Sound
Have some Low FI chill music playing in the background.

6. Comfy seating + some comfort pillows

7. Alcohol

I don't drink, but it could be part of the comfort food deal. It helps people relax .

6. Eye Contact is key for knowing when to go in

Like honestly, when the mood is right. You are all comfortable, you are fed, you are relaxed... The mood should do a lot of the work for you.

The thing you need to look for is when you both look at each other and your eyes lock for 3-5 seconds...then you know you can go in for a kiss and escalate from there.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Put SuiFuel in the tag man, please

 

[The Abyss]

Whereas animals just fight n fuck.

 

[mylifeistrash]

Let's say a magical fairy grants me a wish and I find a girl who doesn't find me repulsive and wants to hook up.

1. I have to make a move, like ask her out or whatever. Can I do that without sounding like a sperg? Doubtful. Will she want to go out despite that? Doubtful. I guess I'll need more fairies to spawn another blind insane girl for me.
2. Assuming she said yes, logistics have to work out. Since I'm not Chad, any little thing could lead her to call the date off and then she'll rationalize it by realizing she didn't like me anyway.
3. But let's say it works out. We're supposed to have a fun date. Sounds easy? Sure, let me just shrug off years of loneliness, rejection, awkwardness and negativity and show a girl a good time. EZ-PZ
4. Maybe repeat (3) a few more times if I'm not the kind of guy she'll want to have sex with on the first date. Hopefully each time I'll be better at it.
5. Then I have to invite her over to my place. This is my strong point actually, my place is very nice and any gold digger would love it. But it's a big decision for her, in her mind it's akin to me asking her if she wants to have sex. If she accepts, she's saying "Yes, I want to have sex with you" to my face. Good luck with that shit.
6. Then I have to make a move and kiss her. This is another major failo point. See sex is a natural instinctive thing, kissing isn't. Kissing is more like a dance or something, and she will instantly sense my lack of experience. Is she going to have sex with someone who doesn't know how to kiss? It's not an insurmountable problem for a teenager, but good luck if you're even a little bit older.
7. Then I have to undress her and do the deed. I've learned from PUAs about "last minute resistance" and "anti-slut defenses" where girls will routinely refuse to have sex at this point. There are ways around it, but how likely is it that I'll know how to handle it? And once she goes home, she'll rationalize it by realizing she wasn't attracted to me anyway.
8. But let's say she's turned on by my body and wants to have sex. That's my second strong point. Assuming porn has taught me the mechanics of having sex and assuming I can pull it off, will she be satisfied? How long will it take me to cum? 30 seconds? 15 seconds? And then what? I-it happens to a lot of guys, right? Or maybe erectile dysfunction will kick in and it's game over. Or maybe watching porn isn't good enough to teach you how to have sex and again, game over.

But let's say it all worked out and I had sex! Once. And it only took me how many years?
So if I successfully navigate these 8 potential pitfalls (remember, that's after somehow meeting a girl who wants to hook up), the most realistic outcome is that she won't want to have sex again or to do anything else with me so I'll have to go through the entire impossibly unlikely process with another foid.

Step 1:
- be good looking

Step 2:
- girl invites you to whatever and then back to her place

 

[SilentSoup]

So you're saying that ascending isn't about getting a wish from a fairy. It's about becoming someone who could ask out a girl, go on a date, flirt with her, etc.

The way you wrote that makes it clear that you're paralyzed by fear- you're afraid of failing, afraid of succeeding, afraid of everything. It's like an agoraphobic person who is afraid of going outside. The real enemy isn't outside, it's in your brain. You need to conquer that fear. That horrible fear!

I'm convinced that we develop skills through trying and failing. You keep moving forward, keep trying, and you'll keep making baby steps. After six months you'll be surprised how much progress you've made. You'll go from someone who can't approach women, to someone who can maintain a conversation, to someone who can flirt, to getting your first number, first date, first kiss, etc. That whole process you're talking about is a thing you can conquer one step at a time.

I've recently had some personal health issues preventing me from getting out there and effortmaxxing, but in my personal exxortmaxx journey when I was more active I noticed the incremental progress was starting to show... I wasn't afraid of my shadow anymore, so to speak.

Whatever happens, best wishes OP. I hope you don't interpret my suggestions as any kind of made up bullshit, I've been exactly where you are now and it felt fucking awful (hated every day of it).

 

[RopeMaXXer]

Attracting a girl is step 0
It's not even on the metaphysical manual to ascension.

The way you wrote that makes it clear that you're paralyzed by fear- you're afraid of failing, afraid of succeeding, afraid of everything.

Boomer tier advice. Bordering on Redpill PUA bullshit. While being NT is a prerequisite, mindgaming yourself mostly doesn't work. You can't catch up to mental debt you've accumulated. You can maybe get drunk or drugged to be more confident but that's it. You won't have the timing or flirting techniques of a slayer.
Keep in mind we're completely ignoring looks in this mental exercise

 

[Angry_runt]

I just want to pitch in on this part a little bit.

Most of what you wrote is contrary to PUA advice, for what that's worth. They say it's best to have all the lights on, the TV on, the window open and not for everything to be neat and tidy. The idea is that a girl would feel much more comfortable and relaxed if everything seems natural and informal rather than fine tuned to get her to fuck.

If you have a girl coming over, you better spend the whole day CLEANING . Kitchen, bathroom, living room, bedroom. Every surface must be scrubed, cleaned, wiped. The place cannot have any dust, dirt or garbage laying around anywhere. It has to be spotless. The sink, bathroom, the refrigerator, floors they have to be thoroughly cleaned and scrubed.

Now I'm not sure if this is a joke or just weapons grade autism. I laughed so let's say it's a joke.

The thing you need to look for is when you both look at each other and your eyes lock for 3-5 seconds...then you know you can go in for a kiss and escalate from there.

I just tried looking in the eyes of a foid on a photo for 5 seconds and I couldn't do it. I guess it's over.

It's about becoming someone who could ask out a girl, go on a date, flirt with her, etc.

No, it's about being able to do all of those things well enough and in a sequence.

It's like you throw a dice and get a six. The chances are 17%.
Throw another dice, the chance is the same 17% you'll get a six.
But the chance of getting those two sixes in a sequence is 3%.
For three sixes in a row it's like 0.4% and so on.

My point is that finding a girl who finds you attractive is just the first step and that to have sex you have to roll a bunch of sixes so to speak.

The way you wrote that makes it clear that you're paralyzed by fear- you're afraid of failing, afraid of succeeding, afraid of everything. It's like an agoraphobic person who is afraid of going outside. The real enemy isn't outside, it's in your brain. You need to conquer that fear. That horrible fear!

I'm convinced that we develop skills through trying and failing. You keep moving forward, keep trying, and you'll keep making baby steps. After six months you'll be surprised how much progress you've made. You'll go from someone who can't approach women, to someone who can maintain a conversation, to someone who can flirt, to getting your first number, first date, first kiss, etc. That whole process you're talking about is a thing you can conquer one step at a time.

I opened around 150 sets when I was trying PUA. I wouldn't say the experience improved me overall. Sure I stopped fumbling and sweating, but all that taught me is that I'm unwanted even when I do everything right. And now, almost 10 years after that effort I still get echoes of cringe sometimes, like I remember some embarrassing situation and holy shit do I wish I'd never made an effort.

Some things you just can't solve by self improvement.

 

[SilentSoup]

No, it's about being able to do all of those things well enough and in a sequence.

It's like you throw a dice and get a six. The chances are 17%.
Throw another dice, the chance is the same 17% you'll get a six.
But the chance of getting those two sixes in a sequence is 3%.
For three sixes in a row it's like 0.4% and so on.

I don't know if sex is like playing dice. Do you mean just for incels? Other people (who aren't incel) go out an have sex all the time, are all those people rolling three sixes in a row everytime they get laid?

I opened around 150 sets when I was trying PUA. I wouldn't say the experience improved me overall. Sure I stopped fumbling and sweating, but all that taught me is that I'm unwanted even when I do everything right. And now, almost 10 years after that effort I still get echoes of cringe sometimes, like I remember some embarrassing situation and holy shit do I wish I'd never made an effort.

150 sets? What's a set? That does sound like a lot of work.

I've found that it's a real bitch of a struggle, because it's like when employers say they want "3 years of experience" for an "entry-level job". To make friends and get a girlfriend you have to have some level of confidence and motivation and not hate yourself. But liking yourself and feeling confident, all that shit would only come easy with friends and a girlfriend.

I'm convinced that the only solution is to make some kind of sustained, heroic effort to break out of that shell. Mind over matter. It's like the quest for the holy grail: the ultimate struggle.

If you stopped fumbling and sweating that sounds like you made some progress. What made you give up? Do you think there's any chance at all that if you would have kept going things would have kept getting better?

 

[StaroRavager]

Attracting a girl is step 0

Well in that case it never began

 

[Incline]

I never got past stage 1, ever. Fucking kill me man.

At least I tried so I'm not haunted by the 'what if' thoughts like I was when I was too scared to try. That shit is the worst.

 

[ihaveno1]

I never got past stage 1

 

[Angry_runt]

I don't know if sex is like playing dice. Other people (who aren't incel) go out an have sex all the time, are all those people rolling three sixes in a row everytime they get laid?

When you're not an incel (not ugly/short/mental/whatever) you don't have to roll a six.
And I don't think incels have such a small chance or that each stage is equally hard to overcome. I meant to say that when you have multiple obstacles, the chances of getting to the end drop rapidly. Even if you're 90% likely to overcome each obstacle, your chances of reaching the goal are less than 50%.
And most guys do get rejected all the time and manage to go navigate the entire obstacle course 5-6 or maybe a dozen times over their entire lives.

150 sets? What's a set? That does sound like a lot of work.

A set is a girl in a group of people because they're rarely alone (and when they are they tend to be more cautious). It's what PUAs called it when you approach, you "open a set".

I'm convinced that the only solution is to make some kind of sustained, heroic effort to break out of that shell. Mind over matter. It's like the quest for the holy grail: the ultimate struggle.

If there is a solution, that would be it. But there may not be a solution.

If you stopped fumbling and sweating that sounds like you made some progress. What made you give up? Do you think there's any chance at all that if you would have kept going things would have kept getting better?

What made me give up is the realization that what I do or say doesn't matter, only what I look like (from the neck up) and how tall I am. I did get one shitty shitty date out of it and I still cringe to this day at how shitty it was.

 

[Deleted member 16455]

I never got past stage 1

 

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[Angry_runt]

I think the asking her out thing is not an issue. Just invite her for dinner and you will see if she wants to do it or not. It's easy.

Eh, not in my experience. Sure you can say the words, but if you say them at the wrong time in the wrong tone and the wrong facial expression and in the absence of signals that she's interested, you'll come off as a sperg. Chad can get away with coming off as a sperg, but the rest of us can't.

All the issues with kissing and fucking can be cured by training with escorts.

If you can stomach kissing an escort, sure. In fact if I thought I was going to have sex with some foid, I'd hire escorts first. But how much money would you have to spend on escorts to cure yourself of premature ejaculation or to become good at sex? Because it's not just about not being a virgin. You can be a non-virgin and still be horrible at sex and the girl wanting nothing more to do with you. If you want her to repeat the experience, you better be good. That means no ED, no PE, and no whatever else can go wrong that may or may not be your fault.