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Experiment Are you scared of death?

Are you afraid of death?


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Again, this is just speculation on your part. People with terminal illnesses are given news like that all the time and actually have to go to therapy/are given drugs because the anxiety it causes completely destroys their time left on earth. Sure, probably when death is just on the horizon, some people finally make their peace with it, especially if they're old and have lived a long and full life. The same cannot be said of the young. Not to mention being alright with it after the fact is totally different from being afraid of the prospect itself.
Honestly though, if you have had depression to the extent that some here have you would understand that there are far worse things than death. Truly, for years I went to bed wishing that I would die in my sleep, every night, no exaggeration. I remembered my mother once said to me that to lose one of us through suicide would be the more painful than anything because it meant we had rejected her, which would render her incapable of ever carrying on. This was always on my mind when I came close to suicide (I even wrote the note a couple of times) and this was what stopped me, not the fear of death. I truly wished that I would die of natural causes and not have to deal with this guilt, I could never have staged it as an accident as she’s smart, knew of the extent of my depression and would never have believed it. I had a health condition at the time, which I won’t divulge, that made mere existence utterly excruciating, believe me when I say; I truly, truly wished that I would die. Having been within this mindset for so many years caused a mental change with regard to my relationship with death, and the thought of no longer existing hasn’t bothered me since I discovered first hand that there are far worse fates a man can suffer.
All I fear now is pain.
 
For me the chances are 0. Simply because if you look at the world you can see clearly that it is not designed to facilitate human happiness, there is far too much non-human caused suffering present in the world, from natural disasters to degenerative diseases, viruses and countless excruciating ways to die slowly at the hands of the natural world, doesn’t matter if you’re a grown man, a pregnant woman or a newborn child. A God who allows this and yet commands his creations to behave in a way that contradicts it (I.e. cleaning up the crap the natural world has left us with) is a morally inconsistent god, and whether or not you believe he exists, you must recognise that this level of hippocracy at the very least renders him unworthy of our worship, much less our adulation and praise. All religious scripture teach that god is morally infallible in all things, but here we can see that just isn’t so.

Envision it this way, if I were to develop a computer program that could virtually simulate a universe in such extensive detail that the sentient beings that evolved within this universe were actually conscious enough to feel pain, would I not be morally responsible for their suffering? I would be their god, their creator. If I then demanded they worship me despite doing nothing to relieve them of their existential threats and uncalulable suffering throughout the generations this would render me downright immoral by any objective measure of morality.

This is what I will never understand about the religious assertion that atheists are ‘moral relativists’ who are incapable of believing in objective moral axioms. In light of the metaphor I just presented, so are they. They have a different moral standard for their creator than they would an everyday man, and thus believe in a ‘relative morality’ far more than any atheist. A god that sends a man to hell for wanting to end his own life is a tyrant in light of the morally horrendous crimes against life that he has visited upon us, or hasn’t cared to prevent.

Furthermore, there are more convincing theories to explain the calibration of physical law than ‘it was made by an all powerful being’, multiverse theory being one of them. If you believe ‘in that case the universe is god’ then I suppose there is little response I can give to that. What I can say for fact is that the idea that this all powerful force behind the creation of the life has a vested interest in the activity of humans is absolutely absurd, for the reasons I stated earlier. For your belief that “he doesn’t have to be benevolent to exist” I would say; Why create a species that are liable to your judgement and punishment for not upholding your moral code if the very code you have prescribed them is contradicted by the very world you have given them to live in? A god who values these moral principles so highly that he is willing to punish his creations for all eternity for not upholding them, would surely not be so evil and careless as to have broken all of his own moral principles within the very design of the inhospitable and pain-filled world he has given them to live in. If he cares so much about morality, then why doesn’t he ascribe to it himself? Simple answer; he doesn’t care about it, or he doesn’t exist, either way, you’re safe from hell.

What about when they do those satantic rituals in scat pornos? Where femoids are eating their poop, holding upside down crosses, and worshiping Satan? WTF is that all about?

What about the satanic symbolism in even regular pornos, I see a lot of porn uploaders use the baphomet as their profile pic. Scary stuff.
 
Remember that someone who is not afraid of death would be actually fearless, because every other fear hinges ultimately on the fear of death. On the first level, and what you are doing, is the demythologization of death, popping the bubble that it's something transcendental and unthinkable and actually facing up to the fact that it is a material reality and all our eventual fate. This is already more than many normies can do. The second level, shaking the organic fear of death that is hardcoded in every conscious animal, is something much harder and has very little precedent in history. If you have indeed achieved this, well, props to you. I am only skeptical of such claims because of the reasons I just described.
As I stated in the poll, one can have no fear of death and still fear the pain associated with the process of dying, I always had this fear, even at my absolute worst, so it is just inaccurate to say that losing your fear of death would render you unafraid of everything else in life, as I always retained my fear of pain. I never claimed to have the samurai mentality of embracing the pain of associated with something like the art of harikiri.

Animals do not fear death because they are incapable of comprehending it, that is a purely human phenomenon. They are evoltuionarily hardwired to avoid death, but are not wholly conscious of what it is they are doing.

We can comprehend death as the end of sentience, the end of suffering, that is enough to no longer fear it if life has given you no solid reason to see value in living.
What about when they do those satantic rituals in scat pornos? Where femoids are eating their poop, holding upside down crosses, and worshiping Satan? WTF is that all about?

What about the satanic symbolism in even regular pornos, I see a lot of porn uploaders use the baphomet as their profile pic. Scary stuff.
I’m not sure what your point is nor why you think this constitutes evidence to the existence of hell.
 
I am currently reading the book The Denial of Death. It talks about how society is just a collective illusion, a complex lie we tell ourselves to keep our minds off of the fact that we're inevitably going to die. I'm terrified of the thought that my conciousness will just stop one day and I won't be able to do anything about it. I'm frustrated with the tought that the world will just continue without me, as if I never existed, and I won't ever be able to experience the future. The very existence of death makes my current existence meaningless. If I'm not there to experience myself, did I ever even exist? Kind of like the tree falling in the woods thing.
At times it's just depressing thinking about death for me, but it's better than when it's plain terrifying.
 
Everytime this thread pops up, I hear Davy Jones' line from PoTC, "Do ya fear, death?" :lul:
 
It’s honestly not, actually. From what we can see, everything that happens within our universe does so according to physical laws that we can measure and predict with great reliability. We can presume that the genesis of life is in accordance with these physical laws as well, though we haven’t quite discovered it yet. To presume that there is some all-powerful anthropomorphic mind behind this great mystery we call existence only belittles it in my view.
We can't measure and predict everything in the universe, it's unpredictable on a quantum level because it's literally impossible to measure everything on a quantum level, according to Heisenberg's law of uncertainty. That's not to say that the universe isn't deterministic at its core, it may or may not be. Everything from our experience tells us it is, but that's just inductive reasoning and we will never actually know if it is.
 
I am currently reading the book The Denial of Death. It talks about how society is just a collective illusion, a complex lie we tell ourselves to keep our minds off of the fact that we're inevitably going to die. I'm terrified of the thought that my conciousness will just stop one day and I won't be able to do anything about it. I'm frustrated with the tought that the world will just continue without me, as if I never existed, and I won't ever be able to experience the future. The very existence of death makes my current existence meaningless. If I'm not there to experience myself, did I ever even exist? Kind of like the tree falling in the woods thing.
At times it's just depressing thinking about death for me, but it's better than when it's plain terrifying.
Weird coincidence - I am currently reading it as well, and am thoroughly enjoying it. It was part of the inspiration for this thread actually. I take something different from it however, it only reinforces my perception that most of life is a trivial distraction from death. It reaffirms my conviction that there is nothing to fear.
We can't measure and predict everything in the universe, it's unpredictable on a quantum level because it's literally impossible to measure everything on a quantum level, according to Heisenberg's law of uncertainty. That's not to say that the universe isn't deterministic at its core, it may or may not be. Everything from our experience tells us it is, but that's just inductive reasoning and we will never actually know if it is.
Exactly, which is why I find the religious convention of making assertions about the way the universe or it’s creator want act from a moral standpoint to be totally absurd.
 
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Weird coincidence - I am currently reading it as well, and am thoroughly enjoying it. It was part of the inspiration for this thread actually. I take something different from it however, it only reinforces my perception that most of life is a trivial distraction from death. It reaffirms my conviction that there is nothing to fear.
I actually started reading it because it's supposed to help me cope. I can't go on living like this, and I can't kill myself either. This constant anxiety about my very existence is really getting to me.
 

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