Theory Are we the victims of liquid modernity ?

[Kamanbert]

Ngl this is mostly for nativecels living in their own countries that could have been part of a larger "in-group" some decades ago.

I stumbled upon this concept of "liquid modernity" by some polish bloke, how it might interfere with the wellbeing of individuals. Tbh imo what he says seems more self-evident than anything for a good observer, but for some reason i rarely see normies, therapists or whatever say how the system itself might cause suffering to people, as if such a diagnosis in itself became unseparable from a socially unacceptable misanthropic political conviction despite the fact that the world, if you don't have the luck, strenght or intelligence to be one of it's "winners", seems like an awful, scary and cold dystopia.

I never read his book, i doubt that he emphasized how inherently gendered such struggles are bound to become although we all know by now that women don't have the same problems with "desirability" , "competition" , "identity" and pretty much most of the things he mentionned : it's no wonder they do nothing but thrive and endorse the new paradigm and hate any opposition to it. So with the new status quo being especially brutal to men, we can conclude that the existence of incels as a broader phenomenon can be largely attributed to postmodernity : it is the primary societal framework of the matrix upon which all the other toxic shit like female nature/feminism, rat race competition and technological progress (social media, dating apps) spill out.

Lazily generated this with IA :

Zygmunt Bauman on the Role of the Individual in Postmodernity

Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist, analyzes the role of the individual in postmodernity through the concept of liquid modernity. According to him, postmodernity (or late modernity) is characterized by the dissolution of stable social structures and the emergence of a fluid society where traditional reference points (family, work, religion, community) have weakened. This profoundly affects individuals, who find themselves in a state of constant uncertainty.

1. The Individual as an Uncertain Actor

Bauman argues that the postmodern individual is condemned to a perpetual quest for identity, without fixed frameworks to guide them. Unlike traditional societies, where identity was largely determined by institutions and pre-established social roles, liquid modernity forces individuals to "construct" an identity that must be constantly adjusted.

2. Individualization and Personal Responsibility

In a world where collective structures have weakened, individuals are more responsible than ever for their own success or failure. This radical individualization pushes them to continuously adapt to the ever-changing demands of the labor market, cultural norms, and consumption trends.

3. The Precariousness of Social Bonds

Bauman describes human relationships in liquid modernity as increasingly fragile and temporary. Social bonds are marked by a consumerist logic: they must be flexible, reversible, and require minimal commitment. Individuals are encouraged to avoid long-term commitments, whether in romantic relationships, professional life, or social interactions.

4. Consumption as a Way of Life

In postmodern society, consumption becomes a central element of identity. Individuals are defined less by their stable social roles and more by their choices as consumers. Life becomes a marketplace where everyone must constantly sell and reinvent themselves to remain "desirable" and "competitive."

5. Anxiety and Insecurity

This apparent freedom comes with significant anxiety: individuals are left to fend for themselves in an uncertain world. Liquid modernity generates existential insecurity, as everything that once seemed solid becomes ephemeral. The lack of stable reference points produces a sense of drifting and vulnerability.

Conclusion

For Bauman, the postmodern individual is caught between freedom and anxiety, in a society where solid structures have been replaced by uncertain flows. They must constantly adapt to change, but this enforced flexibility generates great insecurity and a continuous need for reinvention.

Thus, in postmodernity, the individual is both more free and more isolated, more autonomous and more vulnerable, caught in the whirlwind of liquid modernity.

 

[Kamanbert]

It's no wonder that most of us don't or barely have any friends. It's not only foids that are the problem : we're so atomized to shit.

 

[underballer]

It's no wonder that most of us don't or barely have any friends. It's not only foids that are the problem : we're so atomized to shit.

 

[Pookie]

There's no such thing as a relationship anymore, of any kind. No partners, only flings. No friends, only colleagues. People stick to each other exactly for as long as it is convenient.

 

[FumoCum]

Surely, but even if traditional values were to be as strong as before incels problems would still persist trough that.

Because we live in this liquid like world where consumerism is a way of life and where your image is by far the most important thing you can have, it's way easier to see that you are not equal and are living a shittier life than anyone else. I'd say internet played a big role in this, it's like a portal where you can see pretty much everything.

This includes how much others lives are better than yours, see what you will never have 24/7, being fed propaganda and agendas about political beliefs. You will also see all the hate of others for certain group, and thus you will change according to the opinion of others, may you will try to prove it wrong or go the opposite way to piss them off. Either way it will influence the way you will become, the image that you sell of yourself, because it is the thing that will change the outcome of your interactions with other the most. It's always about looks.

All of this just makes us (and even most normies) way more unhappy with their lives because internet feeds of interaction, and hate brings the most interaction everytime.

But the problem of incels will still exist, lookism will still exist, the human brain will always have a set definition of attractiveness. May you live in a consumerism driven society or not you will always be judged on your looks, and people will always treat you worse than someone that is more attractive.

Most incels here wouldn't even be aware of being incels if internet and modern society didn't exist, yet they would still be treated like shit because lookism is hard wired in every human. Only that they wouldn't be treated like shit enough to realize how unfair their situation is.

 

[Kamanbert]

Surely, but even if traditional values were to be as strong as before incels problems would still persist trough that.

I'd say internet played a big role in this, it's like a portal where you can see pretty much everything.

Yes that's why this new (well, relatively new ) paradigm is not only about values or policies. It's obviously also tied to technological progress and psychosocial changes within individuals. It's something i talked about here concerning troons. There's no going back to the old world unless some crazy hardcore auhoritarian regime took power over the whole world.

Most incels here wouldn't even be aware of being incels if internet and modern society didn't exist, yet they would still be treated like shit because lookism is hard wired in every human. Only that they wouldn't be treated like shit enough to realize how unfair their situation is.

Yeah of course it's not like ugliness was a new thing, but still i think the concept is pertinent. This whole world now just makes everything so much harder even for normal people. And, ngl, especially for white boys that have been hijacked from their countries, also a major factor of liquidity but he does not mention it.

 

[Kamanbert]

This whole world now just makes everything so much harder even for normal people.

But needless to say that most people either dont know it or even go along with it. I could expand on this by commenting an old documentary from the early 70's showing the life of average people from that time + how it's perceived now through the comments made by our contemporaries. And interesting point but something there even hints that most people would oppose it strictly out of foid worship. But i'm kinda lazy and bummed out now ngl.

 

[justuseless]

Please write in coherent sentences with proper sentence structure

 

[Kamanbert]

Please write in coherent sentences with proper sentence structure

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[justuseless]

Skibi rizz rizz skibirizz

What is that? Write properly

 

[FumoCum]

But needless to say that most people either dont know it or even go along with it. I could expand on this by commenting an old documentary from the early 70's showing the life of average people from that time + how it's perceived now through the comments made by our contemporaries. And interesting point but something there even hints that most people would oppose it strictly out of foid worship. But i'm kinda lazy and bummed out now ngl.

Honestly i can't say if most people are aware of it or not, most of people don't bother with questions about social structures and just go along with it, without even thinking about it. They seem fine with it, until they aren't, like us. But for now their opinions seems to follow trends, like how now with feminism, they are making emphasis about stuff like slut shaming and how women struggles with body image. yet they never talk about the male loneliness epidemic, lookism and the global hate men gets on social media.

Those subjects are rarely ever brought up because supporting it would hurt the reputation of the one who says it, as it doesn't fit the current agenda of feminism. If they are brought up, it's to make fun of it, and of course everyone is going to make fun of it because they have been told countless times that thinking that is bad without further explanation.

Theres also supporting something for an agenda like for the sake of worshipping women, i just think it's mostly out of ignorance and of blindly following too.

 

[Kamanbert]

Honestly i can't say if most people are aware of it or not, most of people don't bother with questions about social structures and just go along with it, without even thinking about it. They seem fine with it, until they aren't, like us.

The concept hints at that. The constant tension of being a "loser" or a "winner" with no in between is typical of this extreme individualization. It's mainly due to 2 things : psychosocial fragmentation of identities + the (fake) destruction of classism. Those 2 can be summarized by individual liberty taking precedence over morals and conventions + feminism/lgbt/multiculturalism taking precedence over class struggles.

Logically this makes the world simultaneously much more brutal if you're at the bottom (atomization) but much more enjoyable if you're at the top (exacerbated hedonism).

If you add in technology into the mix, it's really the final nail in the coffin as it only adds fuel to the fire i.e social media often being a must have to be sociable for example. Which acts exactly as what i described in the last paragraph : on one side you get intensified feelings of atomization while on the other you get increased capacity for connexions.

So it's brutal cause this obeys the exact same pattern of "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer", but this isn't solely about money now, but about mental and spiritual wellbeing as well.

 

[Kamanbert]

This resonates so much with the jealousy and ressentment we incels can feel towards women or normies.

They're the winners of postmodernity, which makes them gigawinners while we're the losers of postmodernity, which makes us gigalosers. This amplification is extremely perverse, but who can deny it's existence ?

The often seen talking points like "foids get 200 messages per day while i get 1 from my mom" is exactly due to the same dynamic.

This is the worst era to be a loser.

 

[Kamanbert]

What is that? Write properly

C'mon dont feign ignorance now. Anyway my writing can be rough around the edges sometimes, english is not my first language and i only started to write in english when i joined this forum not to even mention my low IQ. You might have to re read me a bit to not lose track. My initial message was somewhat abstruse but i do remember being tired and feeling kinda mental when i wrote it too, it was very late at night.

 

[justuseless]

C'mon dont feign ignorance now. Anyway my writing can be rough around the edges sometimes, english is not my first language and i only started to write in english when i joined this forum not to even mention my low IQ. You might have to re read me a bit to not lose track. My initial message was somewhat abstruse but i do remember being tired and feeling kinda mental when i wrote it too, it was very late at night.

I didn't read beyond the first line. I've zero interest in your sob story.

Now, write properly or not at all.

 

[Kamanbert]

I didn't read beyond the first line. I've zero interest in your sob story.

Now, write properly or not at all.

You have no business telling me what to do you son a whore, the moment your contribution to this forum will exceed two lines braindead posts you might get the right to run your mouth now dont shit up the thread and back to the sewers with you, you pesky pos

 

[justuseless]

You have no business telling me what to do you son a whore, the moment your contribution to this forum will exceed two lines braindead posts you might get the right to run your mouth now dont shit up the thread and back to the sewers with you, you pesky pos

Your mother was raped by niggers and you enjoyed it. Stop spamming up the forum with worthless threads like a tranny. I hate your abuse of english and I hate you. May you burn in a vat of boiling excrement.

 

[justuseless]

Now kindly explain what you meant in your OP in readable format

 

[Kamanbert]

Your mother was raped by niggers and you enjoyed it. Stop spamming up the forum with worthless threads like a tranny. I hate your abuse of english and I hate you. May you burn in a vat of boiling excrement.

Well you're sure as hell not at risk of abusing english as a subhuman devoid of anything to say and as interesting as a brick. Talk about trannies, shitposting trannycord faggot

 

[Kamanbert]

Now kindly explain what you meant in your OP in readable format

You're the only one complaining so far so i will kindly put you on the ignore list where you belong. Dont care if you're having fun trolling cause in the end reading as much as one letter from you is a waste of time, you dont get to shit up other's threads

 

[Emba]

It's no wonder that most of us don't or barely have any friends. It's not only foids that are the problem : we're so atomized to shit.

Its the real atomic weapon

 

[Kamanbert]

Its the real atomic weapon

Yeah we can say that. Even Hiroshima-Nagasaki did less damage long term, but depending on the perspective ofc cause only weirdos think that way/would like to go back to the past. And humanity always kinda sucked anyway, being the oldest here you will prolly confirm this. It's all so tiresome i'm at my wits end tbh i think i will try to go Ted Kaczynski from now on

Spoiler

i mean i will just cut off the internet calm down feds

 

[Emba]

Yeah we can say that. Even Hiroshima-Nagasaki did less damage long term,

Because it was a fuel-air bomb on a paper city...

but depending on the perspective ofc cause only weirdos think that way/would like to go back to the past. And humanity always kinda sucked anyway, being the oldest here you will prolly confirm this. It's all so tiresome i'm at my wits end tbh i think i will try to go Ted Kaczynski from now on

Spoiler

i mean i will just cut off the internet calm down feds

Just ride a bike bro

 

[justuseless]

You're the only one complaining so far so i will kindly put you on the ignore list where you belong. Dont care if you're having fun trolling cause in the end reading as much as one letter from you is a waste of time, you dont get to shit up other's threads

Im sorry please take me off ignore i wont do it again

 

[justuseless]

Well you're sure as hell not at risk of abusing english as a subhuman devoid of anything to say and as interesting as a brick. Talk about trannies, shitposting trannycord faggot

May Hashem strike you down for your slander

 

[weaselbomber]

haven't heard of this nigga Zygmunt Bauman since high school

 

[bathlete]

The concept hints at that. The constant tension of being a "loser" or a "winner" with no in between is typical of this extreme individualization. It's mainly due to 2 things : psychosocial fragmentation of identities + the (fake) destruction of classism. Those 2 can be summarized by individual liberty taking precedence over morals and conventions + feminism/lgbt/multiculturalism taking precedence over class struggles.

Logically this makes the world simultaneously much more brutal if you're at the bottom (atomization) but much more enjoyable if you're at the top (exacerbated hedonism).

If you add in technology into the mix, it's really the final nail in the coffin as it only adds fuel to the fire i.e social media often being a must have to be sociable for example. Which acts exactly as what i described in the last paragraph : on one side you get intensified feelings of atomization while on the other you get increased capacity for connexions.

So it's brutal cause this obeys the exact same pattern of "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer", but this isn't solely about money now, but about mental and spiritual wellbeing as well.

my bookmarks are popping on that gruffed momentum

Because it was a fuel-air bomb on a paper city...

Just ride a bike bro

brutal…

 

[SmhChan]

This resonates so much with the jealousy and ressentment we incels can feel towards women or normies.

They're the winners of postmodernity, which makes them gigawinners while we're the losers of postmodernity, which makes us gigalosers. This amplification is extremely perverse, but who can deny it's existence ?

The often seen talking points like "foids get 200 messages per day while i get 1 from my mom" is exactly due to the same dynamic.

This is the worst era to be a loser.

This dynamic has gone on for so long at this acute intensity that I can't even recall the time before all this. Ironically, I have to feel this extreme resentment towards this modern arrangement every day to stay calm and go through life. Otherwise, it'd be like me accepting my 'place' in this modern world which most normie men seem to have.

 

[Kamanbert]

This dynamic has gone on for so long at this acute intensity that I can't even recall the time before all this. Ironically, I have to feel this extreme resentment towards this modern arrangement every day to stay calm and go through life. Otherwise, it'd be like me accepting my 'place' in this modern world which most normie men seem to have.

I guess they try to be winners too ? That's why everyone tries so hard nowadays seems like it's the default mode. Personaly i feel like i'm too inept to suceed, have an aversion to this rat race and to the contemporary form of socialization which feels more like trying to stay relevant and self advertisement rather than something authentic and organic, so i seriously dont have any ideas outside from getting neetbux even if i would't be proud of it. And i wont lie, given that i'm condemned to an awful life of atomized/anonymized slavery, this would feel like getting back at all of this bullshit. But it aint no panacea for sure. Fml dude.

 

[SmhChan]

I guess they try to be winners too ? That's why everyone tries so hard nowadays seems like it's the default mode. Personaly i feel like i'm too inept to suceed, have an aversion to this rat race and to the contemporary form of socialization which feels more like trying to stay relevant and self advertisement rather than something authentic and organic, so i seriously dont have any ideas outside from getting neetbux even if i would't be proud of it. And i wont lie, given that i'm condemned to an awful life of atomized/anonymized slavery, this would feel like getting back at all of this bullshit. But it aint no panacea for sure. Fml dude.

Modern men forced into the rat race, miserable lives, and constant demonization is what fuels my resentment. My lowly status in the social totem pole has nothing to do with it. My lack of success in the modern dating scene has nothing to with it. I had to bear witness to my only crush from years ago dating one of my close friends. Then years later, now that she is a roastie, she goes and literally twerks for another one of my close friends because he has become obscenely rich. But I can't bring myself to feel anything about it. Maybe, it's my insane in-group bias and extreme (unhinged) sense of 'justice' that nullify all my other feelings and emotional attachments.

As for shame over neetbux, I don't the reason. If one is forced into neetbux, that means the govt has failed them. Simple as that. There's no need to formulate a more philosophical reason to cope with it.