Discussion Are rapists even incels?

[MaldireMan0077]

I origonally wanted to make a thread about weather or not Chris Chan was a incel before he fucked his mom, but then thinking about it popped this idea. If rapists should be considered a incel because what makes us who we are is we cant get bitches to fuck us. Now obviously if a rappists could get a girl to consent. He aint a real incel. But if he wasnt able to get one to consent, what is he? Well besides prey for the FBI.

One thing to consider is another form. Coercion. Assuming I spelled the word correctly Im talking shit like taliban enslaving women or how athens treated women. If you think about it. "Sexism" existed because mostly the men of those societys either didnt want women choosing to fuck men who went against there society or those men who enacted sexist laws couldnt get girls to fuck em. In a way you cant considere a Taliban member a currycel or a member of Athens, a greekcel.

In this forum, sex havers are not allowed with the exception of those who get hookers. Hookers are kinda consential into fucking but its for financial porposes. Comparing a hooker and a hoe, is like comparing a helping freind and a hired assistant. One is mutual. The other is logical trade.

I myself. Dont really know if a rapist should be considered a incel. He most likely wont be accepted here if I had to geuss but still. If really a sex haver or a incel? Somwere inbetween? I kinda do wonder what people think because I dont think I can develop a full idea. So I have to ask you. Should rapists (who cant get bitches consetially) be considered incels?

 

[psnickars]

I think they should be considered as an incel if rape, which is not consensual, is their only chance of ever getting with a woman. But more specifically as a violent incel, the ones that take action of their inceldom like ER

 

[AnilBashir]

No. They’re not incels. Because they’re not celibate. Most reproduction throughout human history occurred this way before we became “civilized”. By no definition is a rapist an incel

 

[AnilBashir]

It’s an extremely modern idea (in terms of human history) that women should control sexual demand and supply, or that men should base their idea of sexual or romantic success on whether women like them jfl. It’s irrelevant as long as you reproduce

 

[TheSerpent]

Yes. As long as foids don't sleep with us willingly we are incels, no matter if we take it by force or not.

 

[AnilBashir]

Yes. As long as foids don't sleep with us willingly we are incels, no matter if we take it by force or not.

Celibate means abstaining from sexual relations. Rapists can and do reproduce. So no, if they succeed they’re not incel. An incel isn’t just a loser or ugly guy, it has a very specific meaning. Being unable to reproduce or have sexual relations despite trying. Rapists don’t have that problem

 

[madlad8814]

Celibate means abstaining from sexual relations. Rapists can and do reproduce. So no, if they succeed they’re not incel. An incel isn’t just a loser or ugly guy, it has a very specific meaning. Being unable to reproduce or have sexual relations despite trying. Rapists don’t have that problem

yeah, this. honestly most rapists (the actual ones not the ones foids call "rapists" for staring at them too long) are cowards. they don't have to suffer like we do, they make the easy choice meanwhile we continue to do the right thing and resist our natural instincts even if we don't get shit for it.

 

[Wiz32BlackJiggaboo]

If rapists should be considered a incel because what makes us who we are is we cant get bitches to fuck us.

This is essentially the natural conclusion if we consider celibacy "a lack of voluntary sex for it's own sake" because then sex-havers like rapists and escort-payers are technically "celibate".

Meanwhile those of us who are 30s-year-old-virgins are "fakecels" not truly celibate because we're just "mentalcels" who could in theory romance some woman through a complex web of deception and simping and being okay being a betabux doomed to be cucked, as if that's any different or enviable compared to paying whores.

 

[Gamblord]

No. They’re not incels. Because they’re not celibate. Most reproduction throughout human history occurred this way before we became “civilized”. By no definition is a rapist an incel

 

[ReconElement]

Having forceful or rapey sex is a learned thing, an incel wouldn't know that, he will get uneasy with it, a sex haver on the other hand would know exactly what to do and how to excite a whore enough to keep her mouth shut

 

[TheSerpent]

Celibate means abstaining from sexual relations. Rapists can and do reproduce. So no, if they succeed they’re not incel. An incel isn’t just a loser or ugly guy, it has a very specific meaning. Being unable to reproduce or have sexual relations despite trying. Rapists don’t have that problem

By that logic ordering escorts and hookers would take one's incel status away aswell and it doesn't, there is a lot of brocels on here who visit escorts and whores from time to time.

I know the meaning of celibate, but if you have never experienced any genuine interest or love from foids and if you are being ignored by foids constantly, even taking sex by force will not remove your incel status in my opinion because you still will never feel what most normies will feel; the romantic love of another.
They will be repulsed by you even though you took what you wanted; You essentially just used her as a masturbation tool.

I can murder a world champion boxer in his condo and take all his trophies and belts or whatever, but stealing those trophies will still not make me a world champion boxer even though I have the trophies for it.

 

[AnilBashir]

By that logic ordering escorts and hookers would take one's incel status away aswell and it doesn't, there is a lot of brocels on here who visit escorts and whores from time to time.

I'm taking celibate back to its original meaning, as relating to reproduction (the only true, biological ascension). If you impregnated that escort, via rape or her just being a dirty bitch who doesn't need you to use a condom, you would not be an incel by any measure

I know the meaning of celibate, but if you have never experienced any genuine interest or love from foids and if you are being ignored by foids constantly, even taking sex by force will not remove your incel status in my opinion because you still will never feel what most normies will feel; the romantic love of another.

No, you clearly don't know it because you want to insert your opinion in place of a fact, based on muh feels. "I'll never feel what a normie feels!" is not a definition of inceldom

They will be repulsed by you even though you took what you wanted; You essentially just used her as a masturbation tool.

If you don't reproduce, ALL sex is just using each other as a masturbation tool. Gay sex is masturbation. Anal sex is masturbation. Because it serves NO biological purpose. Her pleasure also serves no biological purpose.

By your logic you are an incel if she doesn't orgasm with you

 

[Govid_Dorious]

celibate back to its original meaning

 

[buried_alive]

All rapists have had consensual sex before. And it's usually someone the foid knows. There is actually data about this. It's a feminist lie that rape is just around the corner. Rape simply isn't part of an incel's behavior.

Theoretically, if an incel did rape someone, he'd no longer be a virgin, but it's not ascension. It doesn't interest us. So yes to your question. Rape doesn't cure inceldom.

 

[TheSerpent]

No, you clearly don't know it because you want to insert your opinion in place of a fact, based on muh feels. "I'll never feel what a normie feels!" is not a definition of inceldom

I do in fact know the core meaning of celibate and I am not replacing it with feelings, I am simply stating what it means to be an incel to me (and undoubtedly some others aswell) that's why I said "in my opinion".
Also if you want to be fully factual, you are missing the mark aswell because celibacy initially has nothing to be with reproduction either. If you are a sperm donor and a foid happens to visit the sperm bank and bear a child from your seed, you will still be celibate because you didn't have intercourse to conceive said child.

 

[Med Amine]

some rapists are, some aren't

but the probability of a rapist being an incel is low, mostly sexhavers engage in such things

 

[AnilBashir]

I do in fact know the core meaning of celibate and I am not replacing it with feelings, I am simply stating what it means to be an incel to me (and undoubtedly some others aswell) that's why I said "in my opinion".

Ok fine, but when you inserted "what it means to you" it was around "not feeling what normies feel" and foids not liking you and enjoying sex with you. We can move past that now because we both agree that's not what celibacy means, strictly speaking.

Also if you want to be fully factual, you are missing the mark aswell because celibacy initially has nothing to be with reproduction either. If you are a sperm donor and a foid happens to visit the sperm bank and bear a child from your seed, you will still be celibate because you didn't have intercourse to conceive said child.

Ok fine. But this doesn't change that a rapist is not an incel. A rapist often reproduces successfully that way (most ricecels have ghengis khan's DNA in them now because he raped and impregnated so many women jfl). It was completely normal throughout history until relatively recently for this to be the primary means of reproduction. It's silly to say they're incel because "women don't like them" or "they don't get sex the way normies do". They had sex, they didn't pay for it. The woman didn't like it, oh fucking well.

Now put all that aside and understand I'm not saying it's good to be a rapist, or that raping is the right thing to do, or even that they should be on this forum. I'm just making the point that it's silly to call them "incels" when they do what men did commonly for hundreds of thousands of years until recent human laws stopped them. They find a solution to their inceldom, in a way that is currently against the law jfl. Women liking you, and cumming during sex with you, and deciding who gets sex is extremely recent in human history

 

[Murder Mario]

No. They’re not incels. Because they’re not celibate. Most reproduction throughout human history occurred this way before we became “civilized”. By no definition is a rapist an incel

Nah most sex wasn’t rape. Just pressured.

 

[Michael15651]

No

 

[Murder Mario]

are cowards. they don't have to suffer like we do, they make the easy choice meanwhile we continue to do the right thing and resist our natural instincts even if we don't get shit for it.

 

[AnilBashir]

Nah most sex wasn’t rape. Just pressured.

What do you mean by pressured, if not rape? It was mostly the physical aggression kind for the first couple million years of our existence, when we still lived in tribes and not large civilisations

 

[Murder Mario]

What do you mean by pressured, if not rape? It was mostly the physical aggression kind for the first couple million years of our existence, when we still lived in tribes and not large civilisations

Forced marriage is what I’m referring to.

 

[AnilBashir]

Forced marriage is what I’m referring to.

Ok that's fine, but even that was extremely recent in history