If our environment and upbringing changed (no bluepill cucks or unfair laws) would it help men get in long term relationships with their looksmatches, or is changing their gentics the only way out?
Experiment Are genetics the only cause of our inceldom? (Genetics or environment)
I think that they both play a big role but the right genes can make or break your position in modern western society.
But on the other hand in the early 20th century like 90 percent of the american population was married so environment definitely can help
But on the other hand in the early 20th century like 90 percent of the american population was married so environment definitely can help
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Enviroment maked me a mentalcel as well. I developed mild form of OCD and lack of empathy. But it's mostly genetics. All failures was predetermined, and not my fault at all.
As to your question, yes, i think i can be desired in different cultural enviroment. (Asia, mainly.)
As to your question, yes, i think i can be desired in different cultural enviroment. (Asia, mainly.)
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"Women are not as visual as men"? are we living in the same universe?
On this special edition of "Retarded Junecels : Are they EVEN WORSE than Maycels?"...
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It the past no doubt it was much easier because of the lack of bluepill cucks and bad laws.
The cucked laws and bluepill whiteknights aren't your fault either. I'm sure if you had the same genetics in a blackpill non-man hating environment, you would've done a lot better.
Environment matters. If all chads, sluts and cucks were nuked off the face of the earth, we'd have a fresh start in life. Sure, there would be a new hierarchy but it'd still be more kind to incels. This society is made to accommodate normies and their sick ways.
I blame sexual liberation in the 60s for shit... Women were more family orientated and lady like years ago... Tbh my bitch of a grandma had 6 kids from 1958 - 1968 (in 69 she turned 30 years old) with my grandad Joe and then went off with another dude and left him to look after my dad and 5 siblings... Sad thing is I never knew my grandad too well but everyone said he was a great man, down to earth, friendly, great with ppl, generous...
My bitch of a grandma then jumped boat and tried to get back with my grandad when my dad and other siblings were grown up... My grandad Joe was a weak cuck and took her back... I don't know why he did, my grandma had a stale ass personality and I really fucking hated her... Most of her grandkids felt the same way tbh.
My bitch of a grandma then jumped boat and tried to get back with my grandad when my dad and other siblings were grown up... My grandad Joe was a weak cuck and took her back... I don't know why he did, my grandma had a stale ass personality and I really fucking hated her... Most of her grandkids felt the same way tbh.
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I agree, but if the laws changed and society was blackpilled, we won't have to kill the chads as long as there are no more bluepill cucks.
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We all could do better, all men deserve faithful marriage, all men deserve to be loved. It's not our fault that braindead cucks with their delusional bluepilled worldview got manipulated by femoidists, and ruin western civilization for everyone. Cucks need to be exterminated, as long as no living men supports femoidism, we can erase this shameful page from western history book.
even if i had a gf i could never get over my height or being a failed bbc, change my genetics
I believe this 100%. That's why I think there is hope because our environment is still majorly cucked. Once it stops being cucked we won't have to look like chad to get our looksmatch or slightly above. If femoids lost their government privileges and work quotas, they would be out trying to settle with sub chad providers again.
I don't think so. It's just biology and survival of the fittest
Not true, then why did men do better 100 years ago in a less cucked environment? Not to mention there are sub4's who can do well today if they travel to south east asia. Environment plays a very important role.
GENETICS
You wouldn't want to have sex with your current genetics at all?
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In my case, it's purely genetics.
I have the worst genetics in the history of my family, so I was doomed to fail from the start.
I have the worst genetics in the history of my family, so I was doomed to fail from the start.
yes but it would be pathetic, id be too worried about being a dicklet
You might have to fuck some escorts, or your negative body image will get in the way when you have a real girl in front of you. I blew it before a few times too because I was afraid to show my body. You will get over this by your late 20's.
But if the laws changed and the blackpill was mainstream, it would at least improve your odds, right?
poorcel
Laws need to change to improve our situation, but I doubt any woman truly loves and lusts for a 3/10 
She might if he takes her virginity and isn't a shy aspie. As long as he's around her looksmatch and she has no better long term options, then her mind will force her to settle for him. Just like now, I bet if a 3/10 virgin wanted to be with us, we'd be forced to settle and love her becaise of our limited options.Laws need to change to improve our situation, but I doubt any woman truly loves and lusts for a 3/10
I agree, looksmatching is crucial. Just wait till she goes grocery shopping and sees Chad. There goes your hard work winning her heart
It will be the same as the 3/10 man going to the grocery store and seeing a stacy, even though she is more attractive, it's not worth throwing away a relationship for short term pleasure. Now the laws are cucked, so femoids are rewarded for cheating and breaking up marriages, if that weren't possible then femoids wouldn't be so dick happy and ready to end their relationships at the drop of a hat whenever they see a chad.I agree, looksmatching is crucial. Just wait till she goes grocery shopping and sees Chad. There goes your hard work winning her heart
That's true.
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if you are ethnic incel in ethnicland=genetics
if you are white incel in the west=genetics and laws
if you are ethnic incel in the west=EVERYTHING
if you are white incel in ethnicland=ERROR 404 RESULT NOT FOUND
if you are white incel in the west=genetics and laws
if you are ethnic incel in the west=EVERYTHING
if you are white incel in ethnicland=ERROR 404 RESULT NOT FOUND
That's pretty much the response most guys give when you point out incels can get laid in SEA.
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Pretty much everyone here would have a QT wife and father children if we lived 50 years ago.
I believe a bluepilled society causes the genetic aspect to have a greater effect. A blackpilled society would downplay genetics but not remove it as a factor completely.
It will decrease the importance of genetics a lot in a blackpill society. We'd at least be able to hook up with our looksmatches or cheap prostitutes easily.
We were born too late for that and too early for futuristic sex bots. Hopefully we can expose the blackpill to enough normies in the meantime.
Society will become blackpilled eventually, they know it's true in their subconscious.
The truth always prevails, they can try to postpone it as much as they can, but there's no stopping it.
This seems like the appropriate thread for this theory I had the other day when thinking about my grandparents. My grandparents were married for 50+ years. Their marriage worked. The relationship seemed to have the appropriate amount of everything. Grandpa taking care of grandma, grandma taking care of grandpa. Grandpa had his chores and grandma had hers. They were sweet and loving to each other. They had their little married couple fights over nothing. It was just balanced.
I'd argue grandma was at least 1 point higher than grandpa. She at least got enough attention from other guys to be so. My grandpa was a 5 at best. He was dependable and sincere though. Qualities we are told to be worth something, but are laughed at and derided by modern females. Why did my grandma value them enough to pass up Chads for my grandpa?
While my grandma worked most her life as a nurse, she always took care of the home. Cooking and cleaning. She never once brought up the fact she did the cooking and cleaning as if it was some horrible burden she took upon herself. She wanted to be doing it and all the time. I think this is because of how she was raised, being put in charge of doing housework starting a very early age. There are ultra-conservative christian communities here in the states that don't allow their girls to go to public school and by the age of 8 or so they are expected to help their mothers with every chore done around the house. What I noticed was that girls really take to it at that age. It is like playing house for them, but on steroids. They all seemed really nice and relaxed in their personalities and demeanor from this lifestyle. The girls do this until like 16 when they are married off to an upstanding man in the community. I can't talk much about that part as the details of it weren't discussed in whatever it was I watched.
I think this does something to women - shapes their mind and alters their values. I'm sure my grandma always found Chad sexier than grandpa, but she really cared about the fact that Chad wouldn't stick around to build her home. I'm highlighting those words because I think that is what these girls develop a strong sense for. A strong desire for their own home to care for - a nest in which to roost. Modern girls have no concept of a "home" that is their own. They do no work. They're cosmopolitan transients that bounce around different bedrooms of various Chads, Betabuxs, friends and family. They don't have the nesting instinct developed. Birth control, booze and drugs are also really fucking with foids' brains in this regard and many others. Point being, foids have no roots to anchor them down.
I'd argue grandma was at least 1 point higher than grandpa. She at least got enough attention from other guys to be so. My grandpa was a 5 at best. He was dependable and sincere though. Qualities we are told to be worth something, but are laughed at and derided by modern females. Why did my grandma value them enough to pass up Chads for my grandpa?
While my grandma worked most her life as a nurse, she always took care of the home. Cooking and cleaning. She never once brought up the fact she did the cooking and cleaning as if it was some horrible burden she took upon herself. She wanted to be doing it and all the time. I think this is because of how she was raised, being put in charge of doing housework starting a very early age. There are ultra-conservative christian communities here in the states that don't allow their girls to go to public school and by the age of 8 or so they are expected to help their mothers with every chore done around the house. What I noticed was that girls really take to it at that age. It is like playing house for them, but on steroids. They all seemed really nice and relaxed in their personalities and demeanor from this lifestyle. The girls do this until like 16 when they are married off to an upstanding man in the community. I can't talk much about that part as the details of it weren't discussed in whatever it was I watched.
I think this does something to women - shapes their mind and alters their values. I'm sure my grandma always found Chad sexier than grandpa, but she really cared about the fact that Chad wouldn't stick around to build her home. I'm highlighting those words because I think that is what these girls develop a strong sense for. A strong desire for their own home to care for - a nest in which to roost. Modern girls have no concept of a "home" that is their own. They do no work. They're cosmopolitan transients that bounce around different bedrooms of various Chads, Betabuxs, friends and family. They don't have the nesting instinct developed. Birth control, booze and drugs are also really fucking with foids' brains in this regard and many others. Point being, foids have no roots to anchor them down.
The only nest the rosties of today have are their nest of bluepill orbiters and chad tinder matches. These bitches and cucks need to be shamed into oblivion to bring back good traditional values.
Men have become obsolete
I would be normie if my childhood hadn't been screwed to high hell.
The government took the role of men.
Honestly this, why settle for well-off average man when you can get Chad and draw welfare?
Your thread is confusing.. The answer to your Title's question is YES while the answer to your Poll's question is no.
My bad, it was too late when I figured that out. I hope it didn't effect the votes.
We need to end welfare for femoids entirely. They have enough whiteknight and cuck orbiters as is.
tfw your government is ran by cucks
No, environment plays a much bigger role. Your genes have survived up until now so obviously they aren't bad.. you just made it shit and now you can't go back
I have to go with genetics by far.
I'll just steal one of my favorite quotes: anatomy is destiny.
I'll just steal one of my favorite quotes: anatomy is destiny.
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Environment plays a major role. Feminism caused inceldom.
Physical genetics plays a big role in our destinies in the environment we have today. But we can use our mental genetics to bring things back to how they were.
That's my position as well.
I think we could go back to monogamy, or at least make it the cultural norm; it's just not the solution I want. Honestly I feel I'll just mess up any social requirements no matter what they are. I've grown up with a near perfect upbringing, but I'm too flawed to take advantage of my wealthy, supported life.
I am the fault; I shouldn't exist.
IF THE 100 BEST CHADS IN THE WORLD WERE ON AN ISLAND WITH 100 LANDWHALES,
THE LANDWHALES WOULD ONLY GO FOR THE TOP 10% OF CHADS
How come that wasn't the case 50 years ago?
But you have to admit, if the laws and government weren't cucking us things would be a lot easier. Don't lose hope for a better future.
they didn't have tinder to find the chads
and i really believe this.
EVEN IF YOU HAD the 100 best looking men to ever exist on earth, and the women were 1/10 ugly as fuck, they'd all still want the top 10% of chads
it's in their DNA
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