JFL "Arab armies are weak because of X"

[AsiaCel]

It's ridiculous. People will blame anything on the ineffectiveness of the Arab militaries but the root cause.

I think imperial Japan was one of closest examples. It had many traits that Arabs militaries struggled with

- Lack of flexibility in NCO level (wait for an order, blind trusting of doctrines aka banzai charges)

- Religous fanaticism (for the Emperor!!)

- Poor logistics

- Lack of resources to effectively manufacture weapons

- Inner service duplication and infighting (IJA and IJN)

- Military is the government (basically)

- Totaliarian/authoritarian government

- Poorly trained pilots (late in war)

In addition, Imperial Japan had some of its unique flaws like being outcompeted in technology.

Yet the imperial Japanese, with all these flaws, put up hell of a fight that the Arabs could have not achieved, even with equal footing on technology (the 1960s wars Arabs had imported good weapons like the Su-22 strike aircraft)

 

[AutistSupremacist]

ISIS was pretty OP tho

 

[endoftheskies]

It's ridiculous. People will blame anything on the ineffectiveness of the Arab militaries but the root cause.

I think imperial Japan was one of closest examples. It had many traits that Arabs militaries struggled with

- Lack of flexibility in NCO level (wait for an order, blind trusting of doctrines aka banzai charges)

- Religous fanaticism (for the Emperor!!)

- Poor logistics

- Lack of resources to effectively manufacture weapons

- Inner service duplication and infighting (IJA and IJN)

- Military is the government (basically)

- Totaliarian/authoritarian government

- Poorly trained pilots (late in war)

In addition, Imperial Japan had some of its unique flaws like being outcompeted in technology.

Yet the imperial Japanese, with all these flaws, put up hell of a fight that the Arabs could have not achieved, even with equal footing on technology (the 1960s wars Arabs had imported good weapons like the Su-22 strike aircraft)

arab armies are much better than israel, even western armies(see: Mark Slinsky's Taliban, or see Allah's Mountains or the Checyen Insurgency, see: Hezbollah). but the thing is that israel and western armies are insanely better equipped. i remember that israel's defense minister said that even if we stopped receiving western aid tommorrow, israel would technologically mog other armies by 10 years. Arab armies tactics are good, and everything else is good, and they are better than western armies, its just that they lack technology. Imperial Japan did not have these flaws against China, it enginnered/produced these flaws, by its faults.

 

[endoftheskies]

It's ridiculous. People will blame anything on the ineffectiveness of the Arab militaries but the root cause.

I think imperial Japan was one of closest examples. It had many traits that Arabs militaries struggled with

- Lack of flexibility in NCO level (wait for an order, blind trusting of doctrines aka banzai charges)

- Religous fanaticism (for the Emperor!!)

- Poor logistics

- Lack of resources to effectively manufacture weapons

- Inner service duplication and infighting (IJA and IJN)

- Military is the government (basically)

- Totaliarian/authoritarian government

- Poorly trained pilots (late in war)

In addition, Imperial Japan had some of its unique flaws like being outcompeted in technology.

Yet the imperial Japanese, with all these flaws, put up hell of a fight that the Arabs could have not achieved, even with equal footing on technology (the 1960s wars Arabs had imported good weapons like the Su-22 strike aircraft)

There is an reason, in which why Taliban soliders were able to down and kill so many american navy seals.

 

[AsiaCel]

arab armies are much better than israel, even western armies(see: Mark Slinsky's Taliban, or see Allah's Mountains or the Checyen Insurgency, see: Hezbollah). but the thing is that israel and western armies are insanely better equipped. i remember that israel's defense minister said that even if we stopped receiving western aid tommorrow, israel would technologically mog other armies by 10 years. Arab armies tactics are good, and everything else is good, and they are better than western armies, its just that they lack technology.

Insurgency is not the same as conventional militaries.

 

[endoftheskies]

Insurgency is not the same as conventional militaries.

agreed. but arab insurgenices just mog due to the highly trained soldiers and insane equipment + insane moblity and range + HUMINT networks.

 

[endoftheskies]

It's ridiculous. People will blame anything on the ineffectiveness of the Arab militaries but the root cause.

I think imperial Japan was one of closest examples. It had many traits that Arabs militaries struggled with

- Lack of flexibility in NCO level (wait for an order, blind trusting of doctrines aka banzai charges)

- Religous fanaticism (for the Emperor!!)

- Poor logistics

- Lack of resources to effectively manufacture weapons

- Inner service duplication and infighting (IJA and IJN)

- Military is the government (basically)

- Totaliarian/authoritarian government

- Poorly trained pilots (late in war)

In addition, Imperial Japan had some of its unique flaws like being outcompeted in technology.

Yet the imperial Japanese, with all these flaws, put up hell of a fight that the Arabs could have not achieved, even with equal footing on technology (the 1960s wars Arabs had imported good weapons like the Su-22 strike aircraft)

Arab armies also mog in terms of Inteligence, as they were able to obtain massive amounts of HUMINT during the Somalia, and USCOM2 + they were able to obtain and control everything inteligence wise in Afghanistan. I remember an quote, from the US army general, in which they could not go ten minutes in afghanistan without being targeted. I also remember an story from an US Soldier, in which they were suppose to raid an depot. But they raided it an day later, and there was nothing except an old man. That old man, sat on his chair and told him 'too late, we were expecting you yesterday'. Like what?? That is some insane inteligence mogging + inteligence feats. That is how they were able to shoot down US Navy Seals, and gun down massive amounts of American soldiers.

 

[AsiaCel]

agreed. but arab insurgenices just mog due to the highly trained soldiers and insane equipment + insane moblity and range + HUMINT networks.

I'd say Arabs don't struggle as much when in small groups. They're evolved to work with small tribal groups. But this cohesion falls apart when they are required to work beyond their tribe/division

 

[endoftheskies]

I'd say Arabs don't struggle as much when in small groups. They're evolved to work with small tribal groups. But this cohesion falls apart when they are required to work beyond their tribe/division

i kinda disagree. cuz of like the massive empires and arab empires that existed before.

 

[AsiaCel]

Arab armies also mog in terms of Inteligence, as they were able to obtain massive amounts of HUMINT during the Somalia, and USCOM2 + they were able to obtain and control everything inteligence wise in Afghanistan. I remember an quote, from the US army general, in which they could not go ten minutes in afghanistan without being targeted. I also remember an story from an US Soldier, in which they were suppose to raid an depot. But they raided it an day later, and there was nothing except an old man. That old man, sat on his chair and told him 'too late, we were expecting you yesterday'. Like what?? That is some insane inteligence mogging + inteligence feats. That is how they were able to shoot down US Navy Seals, and gun down massive amounts of American soldiers.

I'll read this later

 

[AsiaCel]

ISIS was pretty OP tho

This just shows how Arabs misuse modern weaponry. ISIS manged to use the framework that worked to unify the Arabs, who tend to be tribal; islamism became their new tribe.

The militaries of Syria and Iraq, heavily armed with modern weaponry, easily fell to the ISIS, is the evidence of my implied conclusion.

Modern weapons are hard to maintain, organize, and use. In hands of low IQ people, they are less effective and useful, especially when used in poor ways (driving a tank into the city)

Their IQ sort of worked as a equalizer. A towelhead with a Toyota and RPG may be as good as the towelhead in an Abrams.

 

[AsiaCel]

Arab armies also mog in terms of Inteligence, as they were able to obtain massive amounts of HUMINT during the Somalia, and USCOM2 + they were able to obtain and control everything inteligence wise in Afghanistan. I remember an quote, from the US army general, in which they could not go ten minutes in afghanistan without being targeted. I also remember an story from an US Soldier, in which they were suppose to raid an depot. But they raided it an day later, and there was nothing except an old man. That old man, sat on his chair and told him 'too late, we were expecting you yesterday'. Like what?? That is some insane inteligence mogging + inteligence feats. That is how they were able to shoot down US Navy Seals, and gun down massive amounts of American soldiers.

Arabs themselves will have the advantage in intelligence, due to familiarity with local territory and culture.

They also run the Muslim brotherhood in which they influence others, so that is an area that they have experience in that will undouvtly shape their HUMMIT prowess.

However, these were small scale insurgencies.

There are no better examples that demonstrate the Arab military competence than Syrian tank videos. Syrian tanks would drive into cities, unescorted by infantry. They are constantly fired upon by RPG-7s that would undoubtedly kill them, had they not have the Kontakt 1 ERA on their T-72M1s (or if the urban fighters had better AT weapons)

 

[endoftheskies]

Arabs themselves will have the advantage in intelligence, due to familiarity with local territory and culture.

They also run the Muslim brotherhood in which they influence others, so that is an area that they have experience in that will undouvtly shape their HUMMIT prowess.

However, these were small scale insurgencies.

There are no better examples that demonstrate the Arab military competence than Syrian tank videos. Syrian tanks would drive into cities, unescorted by infantry. They are constantly fired upon by RPG-7s that would undoubtedly kill them, had they not have the Kontakt 1 ERA on their T-72M1s (or if the urban fighters had better AT weapons)

But, they also have better tactics and strategies. In the UNSCOM 2 missions, the seals would constantly make the same mistakes leading to an pattern which the Somail insurgents were able to exploit. The leader of the Somali Insurgent was an Somali who studied at the Italian and Soviet schools of miltary doctrine, and absolutely pulverized the UNSCOM 2 Mission with rpgs and gun fire. I remember, that in one of the monographs, the seals after being heavily beaten, and having one of their own killed, only to be faced with an dead hostage, and an dead source of HUMINT, which lead them to crash out(understandably). Western armies don't need tactics, because they can rely on their sheer firepower, and technological superiority, even at the cost of many lives.

 

[Canuckincel]

ISIS was pretty OP tho

Only from early 2014 to late 2015 after that, cracks began to show and lost almost every battle they were in.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

I think they just are too low IQ. You could blame the lack of money but even the Saudis can't manage to create a strong military.

 

[AsiaCel]

I think they just are too low IQ. You could blame the lack of money but even the Saudis can't manage to create a strong military.

Habibi help this gun too hard to use

 

[Hatred]

Lack of flexibility in NCO level (wait for an order, blind trusting of doctrines aka banzai charges)

China's military has this

Military is the government (basically)

China's military has this too

Totaliarian/authoritarian government

and this

can't throw stones if you live in a glass house

 

[AsiaCel]

China's military has this

China's military has this too

and this

can't throw stones if you live in a glass house

My point is that despite japanese ww2 military having these traits, its performance was way better than the Arabs, who was in some ways enjoyed advantages over Japan at the time (Japan had shitty weapons; 1960s Arabs had weaponry on par with their enemies)

 

[Hatred]

My point is that despite japanese ww2 military having these traits, its performance was way better than the Arabs, who was in some ways enjoyed advantages over Japan at the time (Japan had shitty weapons; 1960s Arabs had weaponry on par with their enemies)

Arab militaries are a lost cause they're going to get raped by Israel for the next 60+ years unless a greater power intervenes or someone manages to get a dirty bomb into Tel Aviv

My point is Asian militaries aren't much better though, and if there's ever a conflict with America we're gonna get clapped

 

[AsiaCel]

Arab militaries are a lost cause they're going to get raped by Israel for the next 60+ years unless a greater power intervenes or someone manages to get a dirty bomb into Tel Aviv

My point is Asian militaries aren't much better though, and if there's ever a conflict with America we're gonna get clapped

Iran could make dirty missiles. Remember that some missiles will always pass the defense system, so all it takes is one.

Iran may be nuked though

 

[AsiaCel]

Arab militaries are a lost cause they're going to get raped by Israel for the next 60+ years unless a greater power intervenes or someone manages to get a dirty bomb into Tel Aviv

My point is Asian militaries aren't much better though, and if there's ever a conflict with America we're gonna get clapped

And I think asian armies are underrated. E.g. Korea war and ww2 Japanese.

Maybe we will lose in a war, maybe not, but it is troublesome enough that there won't be wars between superpowers.

 

[Hatred]

And I think asian armies are underrated. E.g. Korea war and ww2 Japanese.

Maybe we will lose in a war, but it is troublesome enough that there won't be wars between superpowers.

Nothing ever happens

 

[AsiaCel]

Nothing ever happens

No one wants at least 500,000s people to be maimed or killed, so there won't be a war. Everyone's too comfortable with first world lifestyle

Hence Russia mostly hire from the impoverished shithole oblasts

 

[Hatred]

Iran could make dirty missiles. Remember that some missiles will always pass the defense system, so all it takes is one.

Iran may be nuked though

Iran is already a lost cause of a country they may as well try it

only problem is Israels Samson Option which means we'd all be fucked.

And people want to keep rotting and living their depressing lives instead of dying

 

[Emba]

@x thoughts?

 

[AsiaCel]

Iran is already a lost cause of a country they may as well try it

only problem is Israels Samson Option which means we'd all be fucked.

And people want to keep rotting and living their depressing lives instead of dying

They have 200+ something nukes. This is made worse by the fact that some of them would be MIRVs

 

[Hatred]

They have 200+ something nukes. This is made worse by the fact that some of them would be MIRVs

Some advanced virus or biological weapon would do the trick against the Chosen People ig

 

[AsiaCel]

Some advanced virus or biological weapon would do the trick against the Chosen People ig

China can just insert prions into the Israeli milk (China owns Israel's milk industry) which is undetectable, in 10 yrs or something lots of people would drop dead

(Just a potential war strategy discussion)

 

[Hatred]

China can just insert prions into the Israeli milk (China owns Israel's milk industry) which is undetectable, in 10 yrs or something lots of people would drop dead

(Just a potential war strategy discussion)

They love their big Khazarian milkers

 

[Spooky_Heejin]

I think it's because they're lower iq to be honest, but all those reasons contribute to it too.

 

[Antorian]

Divided nations whose elites are mostly under western or israeli payroll
No wonder they have awful military.

 

[Excalibur]

Divided nations whose elites are mostly under western or israeli payroll
No wonder they have awful military.

They were united, had nationalist governments, and armies equipped and trained by the Soviet Union when they attacked Israel in 1967, and were still destroyed. Arabs simply too low IQ for modern, centralized warfare between states.

 

[svgmn1]

ISIS was pretty OP tho

View: https://voca.ro/1gSO0eYiYFPc

 

[Uninvited]

Any Ethnic military is rife with corruption and tribalism.