Anyone got any experience with addiction counseling?

[TBIcel]

Everytime I get hospitalized for alcohol withdrawals some cunt nurse nags me about that. Anyway sounds like a way just to keep cunts employed and is bs. Even that fact aside since it's usually addiction in general group ones sound like I'd be surrounded by heroin addicts and meth heads primarily. As for one on one that sounds even worse as that's just some fat whore who can't put the fork down and has taken hundreds of dicks nagging me about impulse control as if a foid is even capable of grasping such a concept jfl.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Nope. I can get you help with addiction far better than most addiction counsellors though.

 

[RandomGuy]

Everytime I get hospitalized for alcohol withdrawals some cunt nurse nags me about that. Anyway sounds like a way just to keep cunts employed and is bs. Even that fact aside since it's usually addiction in general group ones sound like I'd be surrounded by heroin addicts and meth heads primarily. As for one on one that sounds even worse as that's just some fat whore who can't put the fork down and has taken hundreds of dicks nagging me about impulse control as if a foid is even capable of grasping such a concept jfl.

Binge-watch Gabor Maté.


View: https://youtu.be/ys6TCO_olOc

 

[TBIcel]

Only an alcoholic don't do drugs to make it extra clear. Most addicts deserve the death penalty.

 

[JayGoptri]

Everytime I get hospitalized for alcohol withdrawals some cunt nurse nags me about that. Anyway sounds like a way just to keep cunts employed and is bs. Even that fact aside since it's usually addiction in general group ones sound like I'd be surrounded by heroin addicts and meth heads primarily. As for one on one that sounds even worse as that's just some fat whore who can't put the fork down and has taken hundreds of dicks nagging me about impulse control as if a foid is even capable of grasping such a concept jfl.

I can suggest a few tactics after understanding the situation better.

Nope. I can get you help with addiction far better than most addiction counsellors though.

And I know what Copex is going to suggest also, and if it's what I'm thinking, I just have to say here and now I stand in stark contrast to that path !

 

[TBIcel]

Nope. I can get you help with addiction far better than most addiction counsellors though.

What's the suggestion? Also no offence but that's a real low bar.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

And I know what Copex is going to suggest also, and if it's what I'm thinking, I just have to say here and now I stand in stark contrast to that path !

What are you thinking jfl?

What's the suggestion? Also no offence but that's a real low bar.

I’ll pm you

 

[IceStorm]

Nope. I can get you help with addiction far better than most addiction counsellors though.

 

[JayGoptri]

What are you thinking jfl?

Hallucinogens?

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Hallucinogens?

No lol. It was a book

 

[ecwsan13]

Please do not seek Jesus. It’ll just lead down a path of pain..

 

[JayGoptri]

No lol. It was a book

Whats the recommended treatment?

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Whats the recommended treatment?

Allen Car’s method

 

[spasticbuddy]

what are you addicted to chico

 

[JayGoptri]

Allen Car’s method

I'll have a look. But I will be honest about what I think afterwards, hope it's appreciated.

 

[TBIcel]

what are you addicted to chico

Alcohol. Drugs are for untermensch.

 

[JayGoptri]

Allen Car’s method

Btw, you mean "Allen Carr" the quit smoking guy? I did a cursory examination and it doesn't look good so far man. Tbhngl

 

[JayGoptri]

I'll have a look. But I will be honest about what I think afterwards, hope it's appreciated.

Allen Car’s method

And also would be interested to know what to happened to validity of Allen Carr method once Vaping arrived on the scene ..lol

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Btw, you mean "Allen Carr" the quit smoking guy? I did a cursory examination and it doesn't look good so far man. Tbhngl

Yeah, he also made one about drinking. He is also famous for someone hacking his method to use on fapping as well jfl

 

[JayGoptri]

Yeah, he also made one about drinking. He is also famous for someone hacking his method to use on fapping as well jfl

Yeah his entire thing on quitting smoking is bullshit. I'm sorry man. With the introduction of the Vape industry (and take it from me I smoked for a time) Vaping has decimated the need to smoke in the most serious tobacco users and relegated them to just a nicotine addiction which isn't nearly as dangerous and gives them years back on their lives.

If Allen Carrs method for drinking is any bit as goofy as it is for smoking tobacco, then forget it.

My suggestion involved medications. And it has been proven to work in many alcoholic. Addiction medicine is tricky now that cuckery is at play.

 

[Wolnir]

Do drugs instead

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Yeah his entire thing on quitting smoking is bullshit. I'm sorry man. With the introduction of the Vape industry (and take it from me I smoked for a time) Vaping has decimated the need to smoke in the most serious tobacco users and relegated them to just a nicotine addiction which isn't nearly as dangerous and gives them years back on their lives.

If Allen Carrs method for drinking is any bit as goofy as it is for smoking tobacco, then forget it.

My suggestion involved medications. And it has been proven to work in many alcoholic. Addiction medicine is tricky now that cuckery is at play.

Personally I think Allen Carr’s method is one of the best. Unless OP is willing to do a 12 step program, which is probably the most successful but most brutal.

What kind of medication? I’ve never heard of anything like that for alcohol.

 

[JayGoptri]

Personally I think Allen Carr’s method is one of the best. Unless OP is willing to do a 12 step program, which is probably the most successful but most brutal.

Nothing brutal about 12 step. I've done it, but only after weaning off with medical help, and it's not too successful because people don't believe in god anymore. That where the 12 step derives its method from. It's nice to have a support group but that too fails. Relapse is inevitable but if drug use can be managed to ha e no negative side effects, it's okay. Some people can do this and some people can not.

Allen Carr 's method is just a bunch of weird shit. This sort of thing typically only "works" for low IQ NPC normies.

What kind of medication? I’ve never heard of anything like that for alcohol.

Oh yes, absolutely there are plenty of low maintenance and off the radar options. Not approved by the big faggots that be in the medical community, but that's because most addiction specialists are test taking cucks who have zero experience with addiction or substance use/abuse themselves. Gabapentine at high dose, Methadone/Buprenorphine (at very low dose) and even Ketamine have been used to ease the initial stages of Alcohol withdrawal (which is far more dangerous than most other drug withdrawal) and then to keep the person from using alcohol for another 2-3 weeks until their body heals. After that I recommend the same thing I recommend for everything, religious masturbation and copes. Person can vape, smoke marijuana and take up their other copes. None of those are dangerous.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Nothing brutal about 12 step. I've done it, but only after weaning off with medical help, and it's not too successful because people don't believe in god anymore. That where the 12 step derives its method from. It's nice to have a support group but that too fails. Relapse is inevitable but if drug use can be managed to ha e no negative side effects, it's okay. Some people can do this and some people can not.

It’s brutal cause I had people tell me about having to talk with low iq retarded normies who are extremely more fucked up than just being alcoholic. As for God, I have read that mice are much less likely to develop cocaine addiction even when present in the environment if they have their natural environment around them with other mice and open space. But if they are in a cage, they will spam the cocaine buzz until they die.

Allen Carr 's method is just a bunch of weird shit. This sort of thing typically only "works" for low IQ NPC normies.

You haven’t even read the book, so it’s not something you can really comment on fairly.

Oh yes, absolutely there are plenty of low maintenance and off the radar options. Not approved by the big faggots that be in the medical community, but that's because most addiction specialists are test taking cucks who have zero experience with addiction or substance use/abuse themselves. Gabapentine at high dose, Methadone/Buprenorphine (at very low dose) and even Ketamine have been used to ease the initial stages of Alcohol withdrawal (which is far more dangerous than most other drug withdrawal) and then to keep the person from using alcohol for another 2-3 weeks until their body heals. After that I recommend the same thing I recommend for everything, religious masturbation and copes. Person can vape, smoke marijuana and take up their other copes. None of those are dangerous.

Interesting. I know people who have had ketamine and gabapentin addictions, both of which lead to hospitalizations. But compared to alcohol I can see why it would be preferable.

 

[JayGoptri]

It’s brutal cause I had people tell me about having to talk with low iq retarded normies who are extremely more fucked up than just being alcoholic. As for God, I have read that mice are much less likely to develop cocaine addiction even when present in the environment if they have their natural environment around them with other mice and open space. But if they are in a cage, they will spam the cocaine buzz until they die.

Alcohol withdrawal for serious users is by far worse than most addiction with the exception of Crack/Meth. Delirium tremens can kill you. Not to mention make you unable to function.

You haven’t even read the book, so it’s not something you can really comment on fairly.

I don't need to read his shitty book, there are enough reviews and excerpts and studies to show that it's a waste of time for anyone other than normie bots. Even for them, doubt it works well. Most GP's don't recommend it. Today everything is fucked so you can't even find an honest GP, but most of them for with the baseline treatments. Besides Alcoholism is mostly caused by having a shitty life, no way to fix that unless it's fixable.

Interesting. I know people who have had ketamine and gabapentin addictions, both of which lead to hospitalizations.

Only an hopeless idiot would abuse gabapentine. The Methadone/Buprenorphine type programs are done under supervision. You have to drive to the location to get your daily dose for a week then half, quarter, 1/8 then weaned off.

But compared to alcohol I can see why it would be preferable.

Yes.

 

[TBIcel]

Yeah his entire thing on quitting smoking is bullshit. I'm sorry man. With the introduction of the Vape industry (and take it from me I smoked for a time) Vaping has decimated the need to smoke in the most serious tobacco users and relegated them to just a nicotine addiction which isn't nearly as dangerous and gives them years back on their lives.

Nicotine being a stimulant that boosts T one could even argue vaping is healthy.

Alcohol withdrawal for serious users is by far worse than most addiction with the exception of Crack/Meth. Delirium tremens can kill you. Not to mention make you unable to function.

I don't need to read his shitty book, there are enough reviews and excerpts and studies to show that it's a waste of time for anyone other than normie bots. Even for them, doubt it works well. Most GP's don't recommend it. Today everything is fucked so you can't even find an honest GP, but most of them for with the baseline treatments. Besides Alcoholism is mostly caused by having a shitty life, no way to fix that unless it's fixable.

Only an hopeless idiot would abuse gabapentine. The Methadone/Buprenorphine type programs are done under supervision. You have to drive to the location to get your daily dose for a week then half, quarter, 1/8 then weaned off.

Yes.

DTs are thankfully somewhat rare and ive always taken a day off here and there long before the possibility of onset of that could appear. Only other issues is if you have a seizure disorder. If not than alcohol withdrawals are just extremely unpleasant but not particularly dangerous. Gps are trash nurses are almost all stupid whores or effeminate soyboys or likely homosexuals as for the life part that's kind of the issue too many things fucked most likely unable to be fixed.

 

[JayGoptri]

Nicotine being a stimulant that boosts T one could even argue vaping is healthy.

DTs are thankfully somewhat rare and ive always taken a day off here and there long before the possibility of onset of that could appear. Only other issues is if you have a seizure disorder. If not than alcohol withdrawals are just extremely unpleasant but not particularly dangerous. Gps are trash nurses are almost all stupid whores or effeminate soyboys or likely homosexuals as for the life part that's kind of the issue too many things fucked most likely unable to be fixed.

I will PM you my suggestions. Ping me in PM.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Alcohol withdrawal for serious users is by far worse than most addiction with the exception of Crack/Meth. Delirium tremens can kill you. Not to mention make you unable to function.

Honestly, alcohol addiction is probably worse than crack or meth addiction.

I don't need to read his shitty book, there are enough reviews and excerpts and studies to show that it's a waste of time for anyone other than normie bots. Even for them, doubt it works well. Most GP's don't recommend it. Today everything is fucked so you can't even find an honest GP, but most of them for with the baseline treatments. Besides Alcoholism is mostly caused by having a shitty life, no way to fix that unless it's fixable.

Only an hopeless idiot would abuse gabapentine. The Methadone/Buprenorphine type programs are done under supervision. You have to drive to the location to get your daily dose for a week then half, quarter, 1/8 then weaned off.

Well, he was a hopeless idiot so that does add up. I am somewhat familiar with people getting methadone for opioid wd, but never heard about it for alcohol.

Even gabapentin seems strange because despite it having gaba in its name, it’s actually a calcium channel blocker rather than a gaba receptor agonist.

But as you said, it does seem to be pretty effective. Not sure why it would work.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3920987/

However, I can’t find anything for methadone.

 

[JayGoptri]

Honestly, alcohol addiction is probably worse than crack or meth addiction.

Depends on the usage type and frequency. I worked as an assistant in a substance abuse clinic program also for a while. I know what I'm talking about.

Well, he was a hopeless idiot so that does add up. I am somewhat familiar with people getting methadone for opioid wd, but never heard about it for alcohol.

Yeah no shit. It's the same reason you (and people) have issues with accepting what K9 and I put together in the humanities. The solution for problems comes not from the standard morie bullshit approach but by tinkering with things until they work for you. Have you had an opiate addiction and then gotten off, do you know what the feeling of having it while you are working day in and day out is like? There are a few fringe papers written about Methadone and Suboxone for various issues outside of pain management and opiate detox.

Even gabapentin seems strange because despite it having gaba in its name, it’s actually a calcium channel blocker rather than a gaba receptor agonist.

Again, your not getting the point and not it's not strange. Gabapentine is used by experienced Psych specialists and GP alike for over 15 different conditions including general anxiety and sleep problems.

But as you said, it does seem to be pretty effective. Not sure why it would work.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3920987/

.

Cause you have no experience with addiction in real life?

 

[TBIcel]

Only an hopeless idiot would abuse gabapentine. The Methadone/Buprenorphine type programs are done under supervision. You have to drive to the location to get your daily dose for a week then half, quarter, 1/8 then weaned off.

Yes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9732650/#:~:text=In%20a%20randomized%20crossover%20study,et%20al.%2C%201999).

Seems like a good argument for not using it.

 

[JayGoptri]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9732650/#:~:text=In%20a%20randomized%20crossover%20study,et%20al.%2C%201999).

Seems like a good argument for not using it.

You mean "abusing it". Dude, don't be careless while typing to me be clear and read what you are saying.

I suggest you talk to your GP and come up with a plan that combines low dose treatments using the drugs I mentioned, rest of the drugs are crap. Continuing to drink like an alcoholic is out of the question!

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Depends on the usage type and frequency. I worked as an assistant in a substance abuse clinic program also for a while. I know what I'm talking about.

Yeah no shit. It's the same reason you (and people) have issues with accepting what K9 and I put together in the humanities. The solution for problems comes not from the standard morie bullshit approach but by tinkering with things until they work for you. Have you had an opiate addiction and then gotten off, do you know what the feeling of having it while you are working day in and day out is like? There are a few fringe papers written about Methadone and Suboxone for various issues outside of pain management and opiate detox.

Your solution for society using religion isn’t equivalent to this. Having knowledge in one area in life doesn’t mean it transfers to other areas of life.

Again, your not getting the point and not it's not strange. Gabapentine is used by experienced Psych specialists and GP alike for over 15 different conditions including general anxiety and sleep problems.

Cause you have no experience with addiction in real life?

I’m actually curious about the neuropharmacology, not just clinical evidence. Although if you do have papers, please share them here. I’m curious.