Venting Anti-natalists are mostly right and have a point

[Cybersex is our hope]

I am not a full blown anti natalist since i know a biological body is a trap for the soul so with the right circumstances we could make being born into a material world as something worthwile (like for example developing psichic abilities to make people remember why they were born and to let only people who actually want life be born) however with the current state of things antinatalists are 100% correct and have a pretty valid point.

You litterally never chose to be born (besides of people remembering pre-life or past lives but they are so few it’s actually a accident rather than the norm). You didn’t chose where to be born nor when. You didn’t chose a single shit about your whole biological hardware (height, looks, frame, NT or non NT, gender etc) and on top of all of that you are litterally thrown into a world whete every living being has to kill others in order to survive. Litterally either be somehow dark triad or starve to death.

On top of this big shit of a world you end up in a supposed intelligent species that actually just function as high tier animals. If you are not dark triad, good looking or rich you litterally have more probabilities of becoming a total outcast than a actual murderer or a fucking criminal. Your family expect you to perform even though they willingly put you in this kind of world/society without you having a fucking conscious say on that. They should be, if anything, the ones forced to help and pay for you till they are here. I would feel compelled to do so if i had a kid now even in case he actually didn’t want to participate in society and went full hikikkomori (As a asshole as Mcgregor is he openly said this. Big respect for him for this)

It’s even more frustrating when you have to deal with tradcucks who constantly annoy you about how da real worldsds is bad, evil, and shit YET they reproduce and put their kids inside said world lol.

I still have to hear 1 decent argument against anti-natalism especially if applied to today state of things. Lol

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

@WorthlessSlavicShit @GeckoBus

 

[I want to believe]

Efilism is based.

 

[Cnidoblastos]

>incel
>natalist

 

[lnceI]

I dont care

 

[four1298]

You litterally never chose to be born (besides of people remembering pre-life or past lives but they are so few it’s actually a accident rather than the norm).

I debunked this in this thread. Also reincarnation is retarded.

"The child didn't consent to being born"

Antinatalists say giving birth is wrong because the child didn't consent to being born/conceived; however, the truth is that most people are glad to be born. Also this logic can be turned against them - children don't consent to being aborted. Two wrongs don't make a right. Antinatalists are in...

incels.is

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Efilism is based.

I disagree since i am not a materialism. Materialism is objectively wrong. However with the current state of biology and human society anti natalism is just correct period.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

I debunked this in this thread. Also reincarnation is retarded.

"The child didn't consent to being born"

Antinatalists say giving birth is wrong because the child didn't consent to being born/conceived; however, the truth is that most people are glad to be born. Also this logic can be turned against them - children don't consent to being aborted. Two wrongs don't make a right. Antinatalists are in...

incels.is

There are people who actually like being born, others don’t. The numbers can change significantly it doesn’t take away the fact that it’s a violence to put a living being into THIS kind of world without consent. Period. I also can somehow try to find satisfaction in this reality it doesn’t take away the fact that it was forced upon me.

Ps: many people report past lives or pre birth. Call it hower tf you want. They still are a minority making the act of birth mostly violent

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Also reincarnation is retarded.

Your take on abortion is retarded since i also am against abortion 99% of the time

 

[four1298]

There are people who actually like being born, others don’t. The numbers can change significantly it doesn’t take away the fact that it’s a violence to put a living being into THIS kind of world without consent. Period. I also can somehow try to find satisfaction in this reality it doesn’t take away the fact that it was forced upon me.

Ps: many people report past lives or pre birth. Call it hower tf you want. They still are a minority making the act of birth mostly violent

This doesn't address my points in the thread. Do you concede abortion is wrong because it's forced onto a child without their consent?

I think people who report past lives are actually mentally ill. They have beliefs that aren't rooted in reality.

 

[SmhChan]

Anti-natalists are all femoid-worshipping fags. They all are and they always are. That's why they bother me.

I saw some anti-natalist fag a few months backed who mocked guys for being anti-natalists and proclaimed being anti-natalist as a man doesn't mean anything since foids can always find a guy to get knocked up. Like really nigga? If majority of men became anti-natalists they wouldn't want to cut off foids' access to reproduction by force?

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

>incel
>natalist

I agree

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Do you concede abortion is wrong because it's forced onto a child without their consent?

I litterally said i am against abortion? It doesn’t touch anything of what i philosophically said?

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

I think people who report past lives are actually mentally ill.

Kinda ill informed arrogant opinion. So it’s pointless. I read enough to realize the witnesses are many and going in the same direction. That’s it

 

[four1298]

Kinda ill informed arrogant opinion. So it’s pointless. I read enough to realize the witnesses are many and going in the same direction. That’s it

I'm a Christian not a Hindu.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Anti-natalists are all femoid-worshipping fags. They all are and they always are. That's why they bother me.

Same. However i openly said i am not a antinatalist 100% i just recognize their point in this world and society.

 

[four1298]

Your take on abortion is retarded since i also am against abortion 99% of the time

This isn't enough. You need to be 100% against it. It's murder.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

I'm a Christian not a Hindu.

I am someone who likes Christian gnosticism only based on the evidence i could collect on experimental metaphisics

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

This isn't enough. You need to be 100% against it. It's murder.

99% is basically completely against it. For the same reason i would never put a kid inside this cycle of suffering let alone forcing him to perform after i forced him to participate without him even being able to chose a yota about his life. I would take care of him my whole life without asking anything back OR i won’t have him.

Of course if society/humanity change and incarnation becomes worth it i am all in favour of natalism. To be honest i wish more men of high consciousness had kids now to fight against the evil however men of consciousness tend to have a very LOW success with women and socially. Perks of living in a evil soul trap…

 

[GeckoBus]

I am not a full blown anti natalist since i know a biological body is a trap for the soul so with the right circumstances we could make being born into a material world as something worthwile (like for example developing psichic abilities to make people remember why they were born and to let only people who actually want life be born) however with the current state of things antinatalists are 100% correct and have a pretty valid point.

You litterally never chose to be born (besides of people remembering pre-life or past lives but they are so few it’s actually a accident rather than the norm). You didn’t chose where to be born nor when. You didn’t chose a single shit about your whole biological hardware (height, looks, frame, NT or non NT, gender etc) and on top of all of that you are litterally thrown into a world whete every living being has to kill others in order to survive. Litterally either be somehow dark triad or starve to death.

On top of this big shit of a world you end up in a supposed intelligent species that actually just function as high tier animals. If you are not dark triad, good looking or rich you litterally have more probabilities of becoming a total outcast than a actual murderer or a fucking criminal. Your family expect you to perform even though they willingly put you in this kind of world/society without you having a fucking conscious say on that. They should be, if anything, the ones forced to help and pay for you till they are here. I would feel compelled to do so if i had a kid now even in case he actually didn’t want to participate in society and went full hikikkomori (As a asshole as Mcgregor is he openly said this. Big respect for him for this)

It’s even more frustrating when you have to deal with tradcucks who constantly annoy you about how da real worldsds is bad, evil, and shit YET they reproduce and put their kids inside said world lol.

I still have to hear 1 decent argument against anti-natalism especially if applied to today state of things. Lol

I will interpret this OP through the lens of my interest in christianity.
This is a classic tension human behavior that exists in all worldviews. There is not a single worldview that says this world is pure inherently. At best they start by saying this world is good but corrupted. This then conflicts with the concept of people having children. For example christianity has a massive internal tension between gods command to "be fruitful and multiply" (genesis) and the later asceticism that they adopted from platonism and other hellenic philosophic mystery schools. Celibacy vs Reproduction. They cant really settle. The reason is that christiantiy is a mix of ancient judaic nationalism creed, which needed people to fuck and have kids for the sake of israel nation growth, and the later platonic philosophy which denies the body and creation as being good and completely disregards reproduction as valuable.


Logically it is hard to make a case for either anti-natialism or natalism, I think you identified that correctly. Even from a pro-natalist perspective, there is no clear direction for raising kids. Why do it, how? In churches they tell laypeople that marriage is equal to monasticism but in practise monasticism is seen as superior. So reproduction becomes a necessary evil. Again, this is an unsolvable tension. Scholars have recognized this for a long time:

3. The sexual views of the fathers of the first few centuries are generally somewhat bizarre. Sex is viewed in some form as evil, and even up to Maximus’ time, it is somehow dirty and base. It is not hard to see why this is when you read the 5th Ennead of Plotinus. Augustine borrowed from this in large chunks. This is the source of the idea that the Spirit is the glue between the One and it’s generated image. The generated nous returns the love to the One and this is a pure, “spiritual” love. Plotinus and Augustine and many fathers in the East too, conceive of love in an Eros or sexual way apart from purely procreative ends as evil. If you’ve ever wondered where the Church/Augustine got this, read the 5th Ennead. And I needn’t explain how different this view is from the Law and Prophets views on sexuality. This is why the Church has to “spiritualize” all the texts in the Law and wisdom texts about the importance of having sons. What God really wants is “spiritual” sons in the Church, since sex is lesser and base. No one can tell me this isn’t the case with the fathers, East and West, as top Eastern theologian Phillip Sherrard admits:

"The Sexual Relationship in Christian Thought" - an essay by Phillip Sherrard

This is the complete text of "The Sexual Relationship in Christian Thought", an essay by Phillip Sherrard, which appeared in the the journal "Studies in Comparative Religion", 1971 Summer edition (Vol. 5, No. 3)

web.archive.org

source: https://web.archive.org/web/2014050...-objections-to-christianity-part-2/#more-1178

You can only arrive at an objective reason for anti-natialism with an objective standard for morality, which you can only get from some sorta divine revelation. Otherwise its just your opinion of what is good and bad being projected onto nature. But as I pointed out, God and the church are at conflict here. It is an ever present tension. Finally, I dont think most people have kids for any logical reason, I dont think choices can be arrived at logically at all tbh. No amount of evidence automatically produces a value judgement and an obvious conclusion or choice. People just operate on feelings, fuck and then deal with the consequences. Once financial situation improves in a country, women ditch and birth rates drop. Iran went through what took the west decades in like five years in terms of birth rate drop, cuz of economic changes. Iran is literally a fucking theocracy niggas. They will always blame feminism tho, not human nature.

I am drunk on vodga please forgive me. Also fuck tradcucks, holy fuck i am fed up with the contradictory bullshit they spout. Muh patriarchy - niggas literally buying into foid historic revisionism to debunk foid historic revisionism. Its like that ancient meme "hey i heard you like X so I put X in your car" - "hey I heard you like foid historic revisionism how they lived in this opppressive patriarchical system for millenia somehow - so I put more historic foid revisionism in your argument" Unbelievable, take me off this planet you fucklords on god, no shia guacamole wok wok pow

 

[GeckoBus]

I disagree since i am not a materialism. Materialism is objectively wrong. H

based as fuck boiiiiiiiiiii

I am someone who likes Christian gnosticism only based on the evidence i could collect on experimental metaphisics

im slowly turning into a fucking hardcore monist, jesus fucking H. christ, what the fuck, parmenides broke my back hard, that nigga fucked us all. I used to think it was silly af to say this is a meme reality and when you die you go back into "the one" but im litrally this close to just zapping out, turning off the fucking mental tv, menticide myself, apophaticaly speaking, to return to the mothership. I really dont like this place. its... noisy af omfg dont shit vodga down your thorat, this is so bad fuark

 

[Genetics_subhuman]

I am not a full blown anti natalist since i know a biological body is a trap for the soul so with the right circumstances we could make being born into a material world as something worthwile (like for example developing psichic abilities to make people remember why they were born and to let only people who actually want life be born) however with the current state of things antinatalists are 100% correct and have a pretty valid point.

You litterally never chose to be born (besides of people remembering pre-life or past lives but they are so few it’s actually a accident rather than the norm). You didn’t chose where to be born nor when. You didn’t chose a single shit about your whole biological hardware (height, looks, frame, NT or non NT, gender etc) and on top of all of that you are litterally thrown into a world whete every living being has to kill others in order to survive. Litterally either be somehow dark triad or starve to death.

On top of this big shit of a world you end up in a supposed intelligent species that actually just function as high tier animals. If you are not dark triad, good looking or rich you litterally have more probabilities of becoming a total outcast than a actual murderer or a fucking criminal. Your family expect you to perform even though they willingly put you in this kind of world/society without you having a fucking conscious say on that. They should be, if anything, the ones forced to help and pay for you till they are here. I would feel compelled to do so if i had a kid now even in case he actually didn’t want to participate in society and went full hikikkomori (As a asshole as Mcgregor is he openly said this. Big respect for him for this)

It’s even more frustrating when you have to deal with tradcucks who constantly annoy you about how da real worldsds is bad, evil, and shit YET they reproduce and put their kids inside said world lol.

I still have to hear 1 decent argument against anti-natalism especially if applied to today state of things. Lol

Yeah I Actually appreciate the normies that can have a kid but don’t