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Even the American ambassadors were amazed by the luxury of the highest Stalinist elites in the USSR. This excerpt describes the ambassador and his wife's memories of visiting the People's Commissar for Foreign Trade, Rosenholtz.
On the help of Americans in building the USSR.
There are memories of the US ambassador to the USSR Davis - he arrived in Moscow in January 1937, and then did not miss a single court session over the highest Bolsheviks - "enemies of the people." Davis supported Stalin and his policies with both hands. Davis was married to America's richest woman, Marjorie, who arrived with him in Moscow. In 1941, he released memoirs about his work in the USSR. And in 1946, the book of his personal driver was published in the USA, Ciliberti is already a look at the USSR not through the eyes of the boss, but hard workers.

I liked the description of Ambassador Davis, as he described the luxurious image of the highest Stalinist authorities.
"On February 5 (1937), Ciliberti took Mr. and Mrs. Davis to the country house of the People's Commissar of Foreign Trade A.P. Rosengolz. Charlie, who drove Marjorie Post Davis in his homeland, saw the luxurious mansions of American millionaires and could judge that Rosengoltz's "commissar dacha" was not inferior to the homes of millionaires on Long Island. " True, there were also its own features - a "tower with a sentry," "a high green fence with barbed wire on top surrounding the estate," guards, an evil dog on a chain near the garage (Charlie saw such an angry dog for the first time), which Rosengolz fed himself and did not allow anyone else to do this. Ciliberti was curious to know what cars were in the garage of the Soviet boss. He lists: "16-cylinder Cadillac Sedan, 8-cylinder Packard Sedan and Soviet M-1 Fordsedan." Equipped with a garage, in his professional opinion, was no worse than that of some American millionaire. While Siliberti was waiting for the ambassador, he saw countless footmen and waiters scurrying back and forth and thought: "Not bad for a servant of the people in socialist Russia, where everyone should be equal."

Ambassador Davis also noted that "these commissioners do not offend themselves." Davis was pleased with the "unusual and interesting lunch" at Rosengoltz's dacha. He liked the large, comfortable house, well and tastefully furnished with heavy German style furniture, and the owner of the house, a man, in his opinion, extremely business. "I think he might be of use to us," he wrote in a letter to Roosevelt's press secretary, Stephen Earley. The ambassador also liked the guests of Rosengolts - Voroshilov, who struck him with military straightening and intelligence, "calm, dispassionate, highly educated, capable, wise" Vyshinsky, "swift like rapier" Mikoyan.

An interesting record of a visit to Rosengolz, his guests and, in particular, about Mikoyan was left by Mrs. Davis.
This was the first exit of the ambassador's wife to the Moscow "light," and, naturally, she was interested in new people, their manners, behavior, appearance. She could not help but be surprised when Mikoyan invited her stepdaughter, twenty-year-old Emlen Knight Davis, to drain a glass of vodka: "Drink to the bottom!" After lunch, everyone moved to the living room, where they were waiting for "a huge puff cake and coffee." "Mikoyan," Marjorie writes, "set about charting his tour of the Frosted Foods factories with delight." A member of the board of directors of General Foods, which was also engaged in the production and distribution of frozen foods, she knew about the business trip of the People's Commissar of the food industry Mikoyan to America in 1936, when he visited, among other things, the freezing factories.

In America, she had several luxurious residences, including Villa Mar-a-Lago in Florida (currently owned by Donald Trump). Probably, hence her special, almost professional interest in the interiors of commissar cottages. While Charlie was looking at cars in the garage, Marjorie looked into the Rosengolz bedroom: "The bedroom has the most modern furniture, a giant bed, a lace bedspread; a huge bathroom with a large white couch, an old-fashioned toilet with a tank on top, a Russian washbasin, a deep bath, two-yard-long towels with brushes," she recorded her impressions."
It's worth talking about housing.
This is what the house looked like for senior officials, generals, movie actors:
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This is housing for the worker and the peasant. For the worker, this is a wooden two-story hut, and for the peasant, the land is a hut:
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Wood Barrack
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Zemlyanka hut.
In order to make it more difficult for workers to move from one enterprise to another, on December 20, the Council of People's Commissars issued a decree "On the Introduction of Labor Books," which required the administration of enterprises and institutions to hire workers and employees only upon presentation of a labor book, where information about the employee's transfer from one enterprise (institution) to another was recorded.
Meager wages and difficult working and living conditions continued to force workers to move from one factory to another in search of higher wages, better housing, and so on. Workers often sabotaged the introduction of workbooks, and in the face of widespread demand for labor, factory managers hired workers without requiring them to present their workbooks. According to a report in Pravda, "hundreds of workbooks were lying around in metallurgical factories, unused by workers who had left the factory. By using various workarounds, absentees managed to get jobs at other factories, where they received new workbooks." For example, in a year and a half, 2,253 people were dismissed from the Manometr factory for absenteeism and left of their own free will (out of a total staff of 2,500).
Stalin forbade people to quit their jobs and move to another factory.

In the same conversation, Stalin proposed introducing an 8-hour workday and explained his reasoning as follows: "Our trade unions have corrupted the workers. This is not a school of communism, but a school of greed. The trade unions are inciting the workers against their leaders and indulging in selfish and parasitic tendencies. Why should workers in capitalist countries be allowed to work for capitalists for 10-12 hours, while our workers should only work for their own country for 7 hours? We made a big mistake when we introduced a 7-hour workday... Now is the time to call on the workers to make sacrifices and introduce an 8-hour workday without increasing wages." Stalin's proposals were officially announced on June 26, 1940, in a statement by the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions to workers and employees. The following day, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a decree on June 26, "On the Transition to an 8-hour Workday, a 7-Day Workweek, and the Prohibition of Workers and Employees from Leaving Their Enterprises and Institutions Without Permission."
 
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the Chinese were also brutal
 
It was a dystopic cold shithole compared to capitalist rich west but maybe on many things they suffered less than we do now, anyway corruption will always exist, decentralizing power makes it harder for corruption and enslavement to be harsh, not the opposite (ignoring how much more capitalism produces wealth as a system)
 
It was a dystopic cold shithole compared to capitalist rich west but maybe on many things they suffered less than we do now, anyway corruption will always exist, decentralizing power makes it harder for corruption and enslavement to be harsh, not the opposite (ignoring how much more capitalism produces wealth as a system)
I just want to show that any communist wants to come to power in order to take over the palace and exploit others. The USSR is an example of this, where yesterday's communist underground fighters became the ruling class and began to live lavishly since the 1930s, effectively becoming new nobles. The same applies to the Red Army, where the majority of its members were former non-commissioned officers (sergeants) from the Tsarist army. Once they became generals, they treated their ordinary soldiers like garbage.
 
Macht Deutschland frei vom Marxismus.

Tod dem Marxismus. Her zu uns!
 
More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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Tha face of imperialist colonialist capitalism everyone. The fate reserved for all of who not heed Marx's warnings. Not that things were significantly better for huwite yuropeans in Marx's own time .

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More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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There isn't a so called success of capitalism in Africa, Latin America because niggers are mental midgets. Capitalism is a required step in Marxist theory. If you say capitalism doesn't work in some country, then it means that it could never achieve socialism. Also Marx hated niggers.
 
More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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Tha face of imperialist colonialist capitalism everyone. The fate reserved for all of who not heed Marx's warnings. Not that things were significantly better for huwite yuropeans in Marx's own time .

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Captialism is not inherently imperialist.
 
Also Marx hated niggers.
Separate the art from the artist. Marx said many contemptuous sthings regarding Slavs yet they were the ones who took his ideology to the next level and implemented it.
 
Separate the art from the artist. Marx said many contemptuous sthings regarding Slavs yet they were the ones who took his ideology to the next level and implemented it.
They completely changed it, i don't even know why they called it Marxism anymore. Lenin had a lot of influences from other russian philosophers and made a completely different ideology. Now people will forever associate Marxism with it.
 
Capitalism is a required step in Marxist theory. If you say capitalism doesn't work in some country, then it means that it could never achieve socialism.
Although this is true from the perspective of orthodox Marxism. The conditions in places like Africa are not a sign that Capitalism does not work there or that Capitalism has "failed". Infact Capitalism is working quite fine in those places and doing exactly what it is supposed to do.

Captialism is not inherently imperialist.
I kind of disagree. Capitalism as a system was born out of the economic relations historically formed as a part of modern imperialism. That imperialistic model has changed with time and so has capitalism. Many modern nations like Indonesia, China, India , Brazil, UK are a direct product of that imperial history and their position in the Capitalist system is consequently built upon what kind of economic relations did imperialism introduce in those regions.

Now I am a cynical pragmatist and believe that the only truth is power. So it's easier for me to see the sheer coercion, abuse and violence it takes to establish and maintain capitalism rather than believe in some utopian version like an ancap or libertarian pipe dream where Capitalism can exist among individuals without a structure to it.

There is a deeper historical point here that as far back as civilisations go, the existence of money itself can always be tied to state monopoly over the production and distribution of that money. Which is one of the sources of class power. This is exclusive to but not completely independent of other power structures like religion or position (divine right to rule)
 
Nigga look at Japan
Africa is a shithole because it’s always been a shithole - how come Sub-Saharan Africa never invented the wheel? Colonization was a net benefit for the continent
 
good im glad their is an anti marxism thread now im tired of seeing faggot jeet ceasercuck continuously rave about how much he hates whites and loves jews and immigrants.
 
More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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Africa will prosper when there are no niggers living there, look at Rhodesia, white South Africa, ancient Egypt and north Africa.

Africa prospered under the British, and now they breed out of control on foreign aid, just like before colonialism.
 
I just want to show that any communist wants to come to power in order to take over the palace and exploit others. The USSR is an example of this, where yesterday's communist underground fighters became the ruling class and began to live lavishly since the 1930s, effectively becoming new nobles. The same applies to the Red Army, where the majority of its members were former non-commissioned officers (sergeants) from the Tsarist army. Once they became generals, they treated their ordinary soldiers like garbage.
Exactly, human nature never changes that’s why decentralization is good against corruption not propaganda or marxist religion
 
More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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african colonialism was bad because it helped africa and brought blacks to america
 
african colonialism was bad because it helped africa and brought blacks to america
If it helped Africa then the continent would've been developed and prosperous. But yes, slavery was bad.
 
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If it helped Africa then the continent would've been developed and prosperous. But yes, slavery was bad.
It was worse before they killed each other with sticks now they do it with guns
 
It was worse before they killed each other with sticks now they do it with guns
Can't call it worse because standards were different. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Did the colonisers bring infrastructure, prosperity and wealth to Africa upto the standards of contemporary Europe. Answer is no. Could they have done it? I think yes.
 
More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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Sub-Saharan Africa has 3 diff economic philosophies

>Private property is respected and protected by the state + laws (ofc you must bribe law enforcement)
>Dictatorship that siezes private property to enrich a political elite
>African warlord anarchy where local tribes or gangs will just rob your sht


IMO the first type of system is better
 
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More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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Capitalist imperialism is a globalist/national issue IMO. Black capitalistic business elites like Dangote are a boon to development and national empowerment but it’s over if foreigners run the economy.

If non-nationals run the businesses and own the land, with all the revenues and profits getting re-invested abroad then the government should intervene to nationalise businesses and expel those faggots

So you do what Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe did, expel foreign talent and skills then impoverish your country and attract international condemnation.

Or you just firm it and let foreigners run land and enterprise while your countrymen stay an underclass.

It’s lose-lose situation for blacks.
 
More like anti-bolshevism than anti-marxism. If you wanna criticise Marxist ideas on the altar of SU then I must introduce you to Uganda.

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This is a typical communist trick. When you talk about the dangers of communism, any communist will talk about the starving black man in Africa. Why should you care about the problems of citizens in other countries? The USSR gave a lot of money to Africa, but it was wasted, and it could have been used to improve the lives of Soviet citizens. However, for the communist, the starving black man in Africa is more important than their own citizens. Secondly, in Latin America, there is Uruguay, which is quite prosperous, where social liberals and social democrats are largely dominant, rather than communists or libertarians. In Africa, there is Botswana. In Asia, there is Singapore.
 
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" In the period from 1965 to 1974, the amount of injections from Moscow amounted to 3.3 billion dollars. First of all, Soviet weapons were supplied to Africa, which were very much awaited, especially in Angola and Ethiopia. Soviet specialists, including military personnel, engineers, doctors, and scientists, also went on long business trips."
 
dangers of communism,
I don't see any danger in regular working people holding political power for their own interests, but moving on.

. Why should you care about the problems of citizens in other countries?
Why shouldn't they? Is a single country in the world self sufficient? Would good ties with some of the most resource rich countries not help in the long run? Why do nationalists and fascists pretend that nations are isolated islands within themselves which are operating in a self reproducing manner. Even Hitler knew he had to kill slavs to make space for a more self sufficient Germany.

Is that the future fascism has for us? Just ethnic nationalities endlessly fighting each other in an infinite game of dominance.

. Secondly, in Latin America, there is Uruguay, which is quite prosperous, where social liberals and social democrats are largely dominant, rather than communists or libertarians. In Africa, there is Botswana. In Asia, there is Singapore.
First of all a country's prosperity will not necessarily affect the condition of it's people. The living standards of people improve only insofar as socialist policies are adapted and the economy is managed using central banking and other tricks. Which vindicates Marx if nothing else.

Communism only tends to take this to it's logical conclusion and remove the owner/worker distinction altogether. Instead of constantly having to fight to stop capitalism from imploding on itself, just remove the possibility of surplus extraction.
 
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- how come Sub-Saharan Africa never invented the wheel? Colonization was a net benefit for the continent
What a strange question to ask. As if every other continent just simultaneously invented the wheel at all places because they were all so smert. Most likely it's use started in some communities in Eurasia in very primitive form and then spread throughout the continent , particularly because it also paralleled the development of agriculture which put wheel to use. None of this was true to life in Africa or America, which were also for the longest time isolated from these developments.

Eurasia is not a monolith. Different technological developments happened in isolation in different regions and then spread throughout. Same goes for industrialisation in Europe. None of this is special or new.
 
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>Dictatorship that siezes private property to enrich a political elite
If a political elite are enriched then private property still exists on principle. It has simply been concentrated into fewer hands. But it's still the same system as your first one.
 
If a political elite are enriched then private property still exists on principle. It has simply been concentrated into fewer hands. But it's still the same system as your first one.
It’s what commies do

Steal property from the free man then use it to enrich your cronies and family members
 
It’s what commies do

Steal property from the free man then use it to enrich your cronies and family members
What even is a "commie" . If your answer is working people fighting for political and economic control over productive human life then that's the correct answer. And who is a "free man". If your answer is a person living under capitalism who doesn't control the means of his own labour and hence is alienated from his own work, then that's the incorrect answer. Since a person who cannot do labour freely cannot ever be free
 
What even is a "commie" . If your answer is working people fighting for political and economic control over productive human life then that's the correct answer. And who is a "free man". If your answer is a person living under capitalism who doesn't control the means of his own labour and hence is alienated from his own work, then that's the incorrect answer. Since a person who cannot do labour freely cannot ever be free
You can own the means of your labour tho

Run ur own small business
 
Can't call it worse because standards were different. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Did the colonisers bring infrastructure, prosperity and wealth to Africa upto the standards of contemporary Europe. Answer is no. Could they have done it? I think yes.
Standards never change nature is always the same
 
Can't call it worse because standards were different. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Did the colonisers bring infrastructure, prosperity and wealth to Africa upto the standards of contemporary Europe. Answer is no. Could they have done it? I think yes.
Also they did bring these just look at rodhesia vs zimbambwe
 
id the colonisers bring infrastructure, prosperity and wealth to Africa upto the standards of contemporary Europe
They tried but were sabotaged by the locals who were content in eating their own shit. Good for them, I guess.
 

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