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Blackpill A significant portion of bluepill thinking comes assuming that the other gender thinks or behaves like yours

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You've lived all your life as a man, women have lived all their lives as women. It's really not that easy to understand how the opposite gender thinks, what their life experiences have been like. I think this is one of the driving forces behind bluepill logic.

Now of course bluepill logic is also caused by wishful thinking and naive hope. And there are other factors like the government and companies pushing bluepill to keep their taxpayers and workers, your parents trying to make sure you don't lose hope otherwise you won't reproduce etc. I'm not claiming that what I'm about to showcase is the main source of bluepill logic, I just think it has a significant role to play

Here are some examples (all the credit for the studies goes to the incel wiki https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill)

1) Thinking that being nice and conforming to whatever the foid thinks or does will make you attractive

Studies have shown that "niceness" is attractive to men. When men, especially virgins/incels, fantasize about women they don't picture a slut, a drug addict, a criminal, a girl that gets into worldstarhiphop fights etc.

So when non chads fail to get women they assume they have act nicer towards women, they wrongfully assume women think like them.

Turns out women have a disdain for niceness. In fact, for the same given looks, women will prefer men who exhibit the dark triad traits (psychopathy, narcissism, machiavelianism)

Studies validating this

Men scoring higher in psychopathic traits tended to receive higher ratings from women
Brazil, KJ. Forth AE. 2019. Psychopathy and the Induction of Desire: Formulating and Testing an Evolutionary Hypothesis. Evolutionary Psychological Science, pp 1-18. [Abstract]

Women are drawn more than men to nonfiction stories of rape, murder, and serial killers
Vicary AM, Fraley, RC. 2010. Captured by True Crime: Why Are Women Drawn to Tales of Rape, Murder, and Serial Killers? Social Psychological and Personality Science, 1(1): 81-86. [Abstract] [FullText]

Childhood bullies experience greater sexual success than non-bullies
It was found that a greater likelihood of being the perpetrator of bullying behavior was correlated with a greater sexual partner count. However, due to the nature of the study it was impossible to tell if the mediating factor in this relationship was the bullying itself, or the HEXACO personality traits that are associated with a greater likelihood of engaging in this behavior, specifically the trait 'Honesty-Humility', that was found to being generally lower among bullies. This personality trait has also generally been found to be related to the 'dark triad' traits.


  • Volk AA, Dane AV, Zopito AM, Vaillancourt T. 2015. Adolescent Bullying, Dating, and Mating: Testing an Evolutionary Hypothesis. Evolutionary Psychology. [FullText]
  • Provenzano DA, Dane AV, Farrell AH, Marini Z, Volk AA. 2017. Do Bullies Have More Sex? The Role of Personality. Evolutionary Psychological Science. [FullText]
Male gang members have dramatically more female sexual partners


  • Palmer CT, Tilley CF. 1995. Sexual Access to Females as a Motivation For Joining Gangs: An Evolutionary Approach. The Journal of Sex Research, 32(3):213-217. [Abstract] [FullText]
  • Mocan N, Tekin E. 2006. Ugly Criminals. National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) Working Paper No. 12019. [FullText]
Male serial killers, terrorists, and rapists receive thousands of love letters from women in prison


  • Fimrite P, Taylor M. 2005. No shortage of women who dream of snaring a husband on Death Row / Experts ponder why deadliest criminals get so many proposals. SF Gate. [News]
  • Gurian EA. 2013. Explanations of mixed-sex partnered homicide: A review of sociological and psychological theory. Aggression and Violent Behavior. 18(5): 520-526. [Abstract]
Criminal and anti-social men have more sexual partners and have sex earlier
Ellis L, Walsh A. 2000. Criminology: A Global Perspective, 1st Edition. pp 227: Table 8.11. [References]

Cluster-B personality disorders lead to 3.5x as many sexual partners and more offspring
Guitiérrez et al. (2013) conducted a study in order to determine if the various personality disorder clusters—Type A (Schizoid, Odd), Type B (Narcissistic, Anti-social) and Type C (Avoidant, OCD)—were solely detrimental in terms of life outcomes for the individuals with these personality disorders (PDs), or if they instead presented their sufferers with various potentially adaptive benefits, such as greater sexual and social opportunities.
Namely, those individuals high in type-B personality cluster traits (Narcissism, Anti-Social, Borderline, Histrionic) of both sexes has 3.5x as many mates as low B subjects, with five times as many short-term mates and twice as many long term mates. It was also found that those higher in cluster B had 39% more offspring then those lower in cluster B traits.

Gutiérrez F, Gárriz M, Peri JM, Ferraz L, Sol D, Navarro JB, Barbadilla A, Valdés M. 2013. Fitness costs and benefits of personality disorder traits. Evolution and Human Behavior. 34(1): 41-48.

39% of hospitalized male psychopaths had consensual sex with female mental health staff
Gacono C, Meloy JR, Sheppard K, Speth E, Roske A. 1995. A Clinical Investigation of Malingering and Psychopathy in Hospitalized Insanity Acquittees. Bull Am Acad Psychiatry Law. 23(3): 387-397. [FullText]

Men are attracted to "nice" women, but women are not attracted to "nice" men
Researchers sought to evaluate niceness by defining it as: "a characteristic that may signal to potential partners that one understands, values and supports important aspects of their self-concept and is willing to invest resources in the relationship." In other words, niceness is the degree to which a person understands, values, and supports his partner's identity and values and is willing to put commitment and effort into the relationship. This is also known in psychology as "responsiveness."
The researchers found that men who perceived possible female partners as responsive found them to be "more feminine and more attractive." They also found that when men found women to be responsive, it led to a heightened sexual arousal from the men and greater desire for a relationship.
On the other hand, when women perceived their male partner to be more responsive, they were less attracted to the man.


  • Birnbaum GE, Ein-Dor T, Reis HT, Segal N. 2014. Why Do Men Prefer Nice Women? Gender Typicality Mediates the Effect of Responsiveness on Perceived Attractiveness in Initial Acquaintanceships. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. 40(10): 1341-1353. [Abstract]
  • Mejia P. 2014. Study Finds That Men Like Nice Women, But Not the Other Way Around. Newsweek. [News]
  • Judge TA, Livingston BA, and Hurst C. 2012. Do nice guys—and gals—really finish last? The joint effects of sex and agreeableness on income. [Abstract]
Female narcissism reduces marital quality for men, but male narcissism does not for women
It was found that high degrees of female narcissism predicted a decline in marital quality and satisfaction over time. However, male narcissism did not negatively affect marital quality or satisfaction.
This would seem to imply men are greatly bothered by narcissistic wives, but women are not so typically bothered by narcissistic husbands. This conclusion is in keeping with evidence reviewed that women find narcissistic men more attractive and actively seek them as husbands.

Lavner JA, Lamkin J, Miller JD, Campbell WK, Karney BR. 2016. Narcissism and newlywed marriage: Partner characteristics and marital trajectories. Personal Disord. 7(2): 169-79. [Abstract]

Women desiring marriage and commitment are more attracted to narcissistic men
Haslam C, Montrose T. 2015. Should have known better: The impact of mating experience and the desire for marriage upon attraction to the narcissistic personality. Personality and Individual Differences. 82: 188-192. [Abstract]

2) Men assuming that the average guy is attractive to women

Most men find most women attractive, or at least attractive enough to want to fuck them. (maybe this isn't true if you live in a place ravaged by obesity but in general it's true)

Men are capable of rating women fairly, their distribution of the female looks is almost a perfect bell curve.

So plenty of men assume that if they're average, they're good enough physically, and if something is wrong it must be caused by something else (not behaving right, not having the right amount of money etc)

Yet studies have shown that most women think the average man is ugly. Again, men fail to comprehend the female point of view, leading to bluepill thinking.

Also, have you ever noticed how in any movie, tv show, commercial, if an AVERAGE woman is in her underwear, topless etc, it's always meant to be hot or erotic. If she acts confident then it's also supposed to be ... well confident!
If an AVERAGE man is in his underwear, shirtless it's eeeew, awkward, gross whatever. If he acts confident about it it's also seen as even more cringy or delusional.

Studies

Women feel sexual disgust when they imagine even talking to an unattractive man
Researchers attempted to study how women rate men and react to imagined sex with men while in an aroused and unaroused state. To do so, they showed 91 women either an erotic video or a hiking video before rating the attractiveness of photographs of men’s faces. The faces varied in attractiveness. The women then rated their disgust towards anticipated behaviors with men depicted on photographs.

They found that the most dramatic influence on women's disgust was how attractive the man they showed them was. All differences in disgust were significant when comparing the attractive man to the unattractive man, even when the anticipated behavior was just talking to the man. Sexually arousing women with pornography beforehand did not reduce their disgust at unattractive men.

Even the professional male model used to represent an 'attractive' man still aroused considerable disgust in women when they imagined sex with him. Researchers note that women experience a higher degree of sexual disgust towards men at baseline compared to how men feel about woman. Thus a man must truly be very attractive to a woman to override her innate sense of disgust. Since men have less sexual disgust at baseline, men may on the other hand be more flexible to consider women of more broadly varying attractiveness.

Perhaps most harshly, the image used to represent an 'unattractive' man appears to just be a fairly average white man. One can only imagine how much higher women's disgust would have been had they used a truly ugly man for the analysis.

Quotes:


  • Disgust is an avoidance reaction that serves the function of discouraging costly mating decisions.
  • In an online experiment, women rated their disgust towards anticipated behaviors with men depicted on photographs.
  • Participants did so in a sexually aroused state and in a control state.
  • The faces varied in attractiveness and the presence of disease cues (blemishes).
  • We found that disease cues and attractiveness, but not sexual arousal, influenced disgust.
  • The results suggest that women feel disgust at sexual contact with unattractive men.
  • Attractiveness seems to reduce disgust and therefore also avoidance tendencies—probably because it signals good health and small risk of pathogen transmission.
  • Women on average have a higher disgust sensitivity and propensity than men. This also implies that they require relatively more sexual arousal to outweigh disgust and elicit a sexually functioning feedback loop. In other words, sexual arousal is less likely to outweigh disgust in women.

References:


  • Zsok F, Fleischman DS, Borg C, Morrison E. 2017. Disgust Trumps Lust: Women’s Disgust and Attraction Towards Men Is Unaffected by Sexual Arousal. Evolutionary Psychological Science. 3(4): 353-363. [Abstract] [FullText]
70% of women would avoid someone solely based on their looks, compared to 31% of men
The skincare brand Remescar conducted a survey of 2,000 British men and women on their preferences for a romantic or sexual partner.

When women were asked what they desired in a romantic partner, their top rated value was “a nice smile”, and third from top was “body type”. 70% of female respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid an individual of the opposite sex solely because of the way they looked, versus 31% of men.

The magnitude of this sex difference is comparable with sex differences in attractiveness ratings (around d = 1.0).

Quotes:


  • Women are more shallow than men when it comes to judging people on looks.
  • According to the poll, just 31 per cent of male respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid someone of the opposite sex based upon their looks, compared to a massive 70 per cent of female respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid the opposite sex because of the way they looked.

References:


  • Lanigan R. 2016. Women are more shallow than men when it comes to judging people on looks, says research. The Tab. [News]

3) Women telling men to just "lower their standards", thinking that every man aims for supermodel tier women, because they themselves aim for chad

You've all seen the tinder experiments. A woman can be ugly or obese and still gets tons of attention. Hell you can even throw in deformities, severe handicaps and men will still line up.

Women wrongfully assume that regardless of what you look like, you'll have options. In some rare cases when a foid is aiming wayyyy too high, what she does is she'll lower the bar a little bit, and SUDDENLY she has tons of other options. Women think you can do the same. In their mind, if you're not getting laid, you're just aiming for supermodels.

Studies

Being unattractive reduces men's chances of finding partners, but not women's
Researchers analyzed the results of 11,056 interviews in Spain to assess which factors most predicted a person's ability to find a partner for marriage.

Their study found in numerous parameters and analyses that male attractiveness had a massive effect on a man's ability to find a partner, to find a partner with a university degree, or to find a partner with a higher educational level.

However, in all areas of study, no major effects were seen for women based on their attractiveness. Female physical attractiveness generally played little or no role, however being unattractive presented a slight penalty to the likelihood of forming a couple among women of working-class origin, with the researchers noting this effect was much weaker among women of this social class then the one found among corresponding males of this class.

Discussion:

When speaking of the challenges that being an unattractive man poses in dating, many women are unsympathetic and cannot understand how being unattractive as a man could be so detrimental to success. Research suggests this may be because women do not suffer the same disadvantages from being unattractive, and thus have no personal reference for understanding the struggles of unattractive men. This is a cognitive bias known as the hot-cold empathy gap.

Quotes:


  • For men, the results show that being unattractive decreases the likelihood of finding a partner, of finding a partner with a university degree, and of finding a partner with a higher educational level.
  • Being unattractive reduced the probability of mating for males by between 15 and 17 points, depending on the models used, when compared to the more attractive group, and 10 points compared to those with an average attractiveness level.
  • Being unattractive decreased the probability of social advancement through mating in males. The difference between them and those that were very attractive was 29 percentage points. The difference for those with average attractiveness levels was 20 percentage points.
  • For women, physical attractiveness does not affect the likelihood of any of those events occurring.
  • Among women, physical attractiveness did not matter when it came to mating. The results for women indicate that attractiveness did not matter.
  • The opposite happens with males: their physical attractiveness matters.
  • Being unattractive penalised the likelihood of forming a couple among women of working-class origin, which was not the case for daughter of high-ranking professionals. Even in this case, the less attractive women had a greater likelihood of forming a couple.

References:


  • Martínez-Pastor JI. 2017. How Important is Physical Attractiveness in the Marriage Market. Revista Española de Investigaciones Sociológicas. 159: 91-112. [FullText]
'Very unattractive' women are more likely to be married than other women
Kanazawa, Hu & Larere (2018) conducted an analysis of the The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health data consisting of a "sample of 20,745 adolescents" who were personally interviewed in their homes in four 'waves' ranging from 1994-2008. Only the data of those who participated in all waves and didn't drop out of the study was used for the authors analysis.

The authors analysed the data to find how attractive the participants (that were married or cohabitating) had been at the time of the beginning of their marriage or cohabitation, and used income as a proxy for their intelligence (IQ and income being robustly proven by previous research to be correlated).

The authors concluded that 'very unattractive' women were more likely to be married or cohabitating then merely unattractive or even average to good looking women, and their spouses tended to earn more then their better-looking female counterparts. They infer that intelligent men have a preference to marry or mate with very unattractive women.

Quotes:


  • The analyses of the (data) showed that very unattractive women were significantly more likely to be married ...than unattractive women at 29, sometimes more than average-looking women, and their spouses or cohabitation partners earned significantly more than those of unattractive or average-looking women.
  • Because both intelligence and physical attractiveness are highly heritable, we would expect their offspring to be simultaneously intelligent and very unattractive.
  • Intelligent men’s preference to marry or mate with very unattractive women, if robust, can potentially explain why the correlation between intelligence and physical attractiveness is not larger despite the assortative mating of intelligent men of higher status and physically attractive women over many generations.

References:


  • Kanazawa S, Hu S, Larere A. 2018. Why do very unattractive workers earn so much? Economics & Human Biology. 29: 189-197. [Abstract]
Men like 61.9% of female profiles, women like only 4.5% of male profiles
Researchers conducted a field experiment on Tinder using 24 fictitious Tinder profiles in multiple cities in Flanders, the Northern, Dutch speaking region of Belgium. These profiles only differed on education level. They then collected and analyzed data on 3,600 profile evaluations to evaluate the extent to which education played a role in matching or dating on the app.

To ensure the pictures they used for the profiles were similar in attractiveness, they scored 32 (16 male, 16 female) pictures on Amazon Mechanical Turk and selected 8 pictures (4 male, 4 female) that 493 workers on MTurk judged to be similar in level of attractiveness. Then to ensure an even more fair evaluation, they attached to each picture three different education levels in three different cities.

They swiped to like 150 times for each profile, then collected data. Overall, men liked or superliked 61.9% of their female profiles. On the other hand, women only liked 4.5% of the male profiles. Men started a conversation with the female profiles 42.3% of the time, while women only initiated conversations 6.2% with the male profiles.

The Tinder study also found some evidence for hypergamy, which, they report, matched findings from other online dating studies, namely women tended to visit more educated men than themselves about twice as often and less educated men only half as often compared to someone of equal educational status. They also found that, contrary to the popular notion that men are "intimidated" by highly educated women, a woman's education level did not significantly change a man's swiping behavior. It was ultimately found that Tinder users do not engage in educationally assortative mating patterns as similarly educated people were not more likely to match, rather there was only evidence for the existence of female hypergamy.

Discussion:

Similarly large sex differences as in "superliking" have previously been found in natural, non-online settings, e.g. for sex-receptivity at Florida State University where 0% (N = 48) of the women accepted real-world random sex invitations, whereas 75% (N = 48) of men did (Clark & Hatfield 1989). Similarly, students were asked whether they intend coitus with someone met on spring to which 76% (N = 66) of men and 19% (N = 85) of women answered positively (Maticka-Tyndale, 2010).

Quotes:


  • Women on Tinder are more selective than men on Tinder.
  • Male subjects (super)liked [liked or superliked] 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked [liked or superliked] only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles.
  • Male subjects started a conversation with the female evaluated profiles much more often (42.3%) than the other way around (6.2%).
  • Women on Tinder have a preference for highly educated men.
  • We find evidence for a preference for hypergamy ... This effect is driven by the female subjects, who like higher educated profiles 92.2% more often, whereas this effect is not significant for the male subjects.
  • Male evaluated profiles with a Ma+ degree [5 year degree] secure at least twice as many matches compared with their counterparts which were lower educated.
  • Women are more reluctant than men to contact lower-educated potential partners.
  • Men on Tinder are not intimidated by highly educated women.
  • On Tinder, preferences for educational assortative mating are absent.
  • Women have a greater parental investment and are therefore looking for the most high-quality partner possible, in order to obtain high-quality offspring, therefore being more selective. Conversely, men have a smaller parental investment and are looking to maximize the quantity of offspring, resulting in them being less selective.

References:


  • Neyt B, Vandenbulcke S, Baert S. 2019. Are men intimidated by highly educated women? Undercover on Tinder. Economics of Education Review. 73: 101914. [Abstract] [FullText]
  • Maticka-Tyndale. 2010. Casual sex on spring break: Intentions and behaviors of canadian students. [Abstract]
  • Clark RD, Hatfield E. 1989. Gender differences in receptivity to sexual offers. Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality. 2(1):39-55. [Abstract]

4) Women thinking that being "educated" or having a high paying job makes them more attractive to men

How many articles written by women have you read or seen where they mention but I've got this degree, I make this much, I should be a big prize :(

But most men don't give a shit.

Women care about status and money, so they wrongfully assume men think like that as well

Studies

Photoshopping a man into a luxury apartment made women rate him as 30% more attractive
Dunn & Hill (2014) conducted a study wherein undergraduate students rated the attractiveness of a control photo of a opposite sex target in a 'neutral' apartment vs luxury. The photos were rated by two groups of participants, one group rating the control photo (N = 59) and another rating the luxury apartment photo (N = 43). The participants rated the attractiveness of the opposite sex target photo on a decile (1-10) scale.

The subjects were also asked to rate 'distracter photos' which were employed and presented in such a manner as a way of minimizing the participants ability to guess the nature and purpose of the study.

They also conducted a smaller scale preliminary study involving 20 (N = 10 male/10 female) undergraduate students, once again from the same university, who estimated the age and attractiveness of four potential opposite-sex target models. This preliminary study was used to help select the photos which were used for the main study (above).

It was found that, in both studies, that apartment context of a women's photo had no significant effect of the male raters judgement on the rated attractiveness of the photo. However, there was a significant (33% more attractive) effect for women rating the photos of the men.

Quotes:


  • Manipulated prestige car ownership has been shown previously to enhance male attractiveness.
  • In the current study the illusion of status-linked property ownership was achieved by presenting a target male and female (matched for attractiveness) adopting a casual posture standing in either a 'high status' (luxury apartment) or a 'neutral status' (standard apartment) context.
  • The male model was rated significantly more attractive when presented to females in the high status.
  • It appears then that it may be adaptive for men to display luxury consumption for example through purchasing a sports car or expensive house/apartment as a way of enhancing their social status, leading to more mating opportunities and higher levels of fitness.
  • However, the results of this and other studies suggest that if women are attempting to increase the likelihood of attracting males through status enhancement, then this may indeed be a futile endeavour.

References:


  • Dunn MJ, Hill A. 2014. Manipulated luxury-apartment ownership enhances opposite-sex attraction in females but not males. Journal of Evolutionary Psychology. 12(1): 1-17. [Abstract] [FullText]
Women are 1,000x more sensitive than men to economic status cues when rating attractiveness
Abstract from the paper: Parental investment hypotheses regarding mate selection suggest that human males should seek partners featured by youth and high fertility. However, females should be more sensitive to resources that can be invested on themselves and their offspring. Previous studies indicate that economic status is indeed important in male attractiveness. However, no previous study has quantified and compared the impact of equivalent resources on male and female attractiveness. Annual salary is a direct way to evaluate economic status. Here, we combined images of male and female body shape with information on annual salary to elucidate the influence of economic status on the attractiveness ratings by opposite sex raters in American, Chinese and European populations. We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women. Neither raters' BMI nor age influenced this effect for females rating male attractiveness. This difference explains many features of human mating behavior and may pose a barrier for male engagement in low-consumption lifestyles.

Quotes:


  • We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females.
  • These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women.
  • This difference explains many features of human mating behavior and may pose a barrier for male engagement in low-consumption lifestyles.

References:


  • Wang G, et al. 2018. Different impacts of resources on opposite sex ratings of physical attractiveness by males and females. [FullText]
Women orgasm more when having sex with rich men
Pollet & Nettle (2009) conducted a study investigating women's self reported orgasm frequency and the characteristics of their partners (N = 1534 women). The two variables in particular that were examined were annual wealth and height.

The researchers used data drawn from the Chinese Health and Family Life Survey sampling 60 villages and urban neighborhoods chosen in such a way as to represent the full geographical and socioeconomic range of contemporary China (i.e the PRC, excluding Tibet).

The items in the survey pertaining to the research were answered in conditions of exceptional privacy (the participants were away from their homes, and the researchers administering the survey couldn't see the answers to the 'sensitive' questions involving sexuality).

The data was analyzed by the researchers using several models to examine the correlations between partner height, annual income (in yuan), and self-reported orgasm frequency, carefully controlling for several possibly confounding variables such as relationship satisfaction, education levels of the partner etc.

It was found that there was a significant correlation between the women's orgasm frequency and the partner's annual income, but no significant correlation existed between orgasm frequency and partner height.

Quotes:


  • More desirable mates cause women to experience more orgasms.
  • There may be assortative mating of desirable men with women susceptible to be highly orgasmic.
  • However, we note that the data show that the more frequent orgasm of women paired to high-income men are not explicable by those women being healthier or happier overall.

References:


  • Pollet TV, Nettle D. 2009. Partner wealth predicts self-reported orgasm frequency in a sample of Chinese women. Evolution and Human Behavior. 30(2): 146-151. [FullText] [Abstract]
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This was just a few examples, but I think there are more out there. Maybe one day i'll make a longer list.

If you can think of other things don't hesitate to share those
 
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Epic high iq.I will reference your thread instead of the scientific blackpill article because this one is easier to understand.
 
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Very intelligent and very true thread, mods should pin this
 
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jerrycan dan said:
Very intelligent and very true thread, mods should pin this
 
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Didn't read all but it seems high IQ, probably will read later
 
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Transcendental IQ post
Cliffs: bluepill is rooted in projections
 
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Convergence said:
bluepill is rooted in projections
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Didn't read all but it seems high IQ, probably will read later
Thats a long way of saying not a single word
 
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Convergence said:
Cliffs: bluepill is rooted in projections
More or less yes, good summary.

And it doesn't help that nowadays everyone is pushing the "women and men are exactly the same" narrative which just reinforces the projections of one gender to the other.
 
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This is a fantastic post, lots of good studies, if normies saw this they would use some olympic tier mental gymnastics to claim that its not true.

Women aren't even really people like men, they dont think, analyze, put in effort, and have experiences that span long periods of time. They only live right now, and do whatever feels best for them right now. A woman trying to understand how a man thinks is like a dog trying to understand how Albert Einstein calculated equations. They're just two different things, no way that they can ever be on the same level.
 
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Very intelligent and very true thread, mods should pin this
 
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High IQ, the first one is what most men fall for.
 
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This is a great post, supports the blackpill quite well
 
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Very high IQ. Mods should pin this
 
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A lot of naive people (usually men) in gerneral assume that others think and act similar to them even outside of dating contexts. Then they wonder why they are mistreated and stepped over like a doormat.
 
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Universal googleplex IQ post. As others have pointed out here, most of these studies pretty much btfo every bluepill bs the normies may throw at us.
 
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Only bones will make you attractive, I have accepted this.
 
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rightfulcel said:
Only bones will make you attractive, I have accepted this.
There is a limit you have cross, a minimum attraction level that entirely based on face/height/frame. Once you get there, other things starts to matter like status, money, personality (dark triad) etc

There's a youtuber who analyzed some studies. The studycels assumed they would find that personality, hobbies, status, money etc would all mog looks. No matter how much they tried looks were always the most important. But if a woman had a choice between 2 guys who were both 1) attractive enough and 2) had a similar looks level, then she'd use other factors to decide who to date. Then those other factors could make someone more desirable.

Those things do matter, but there are several big "if"s that bluepillers and redpillers never mention.

 
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Speedloader said:
IT won’t touch this
Have they ever actually replied seriously to any serious blackpill post backed by studies? All I've ever seen is screencaps of them acting smug about a 1-2 line rant or shitpost.
 
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Number 3 sums up holes in a nutshell.
 
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great post buddy :feelsokman: how about some more examples. pin maybe? for the longest time I thought nr.2 is at least somewhat true and that foids just hide it if they like a guy or they need to know him first to develop feelings LOL. some of the chadfishes brutally blackpilled me tbh ngl :feelswhere:
 
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LOLI BREEDING said:
great post buddy :feelsokman: how about some more examples. pin maybe? for the longest time I thought nr.2 is at least somewhat true and that foids just hide it if they like a guy or they need to know him first to develop feelings LOL. some of the chadfishes brutally blackpilled me tbh ngl :feelswhere:
I might do an updated version in the future with more examples. I've also started thinking about doing a redpill version because I've noticed a pattern of omission in redpill thinking.

And yeah number 2 is the most brutal and the hardest one to understand as a man. As a man most girls are fuckable. You might not want to date them or marry them but you'd shag them one night because they aren't repulsive. It really takes a deformed, filthy or obese girl to repulse most men. It's so hard to imagine that women have that feeling about 80% of men.
 
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Yup. I'm thinking this is based
 
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Men need to realize that at least 80% of young normal weight men (aged 17 - 35) are unattractive to women. I'd say it's probably closer to 90-99%, but let's just say that 80% of men are completely sexually unattractive, 10% are barely passable and the remaining 10% are decent enough or attractive. Men can't understand this because they find the vast majority of normal weight young women to be attractive.

I think this is by far the most important aspect of the blackpill.

The problem with men is that even if they accepted this fact, they'd think they're in the 20%. Men are delusional about their looks. They think that just because they're average height, have some money and aren't deformed that they're automatically attractive enough to many women.
 
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Gymcelled said:
I might do an updated version in the future with more examples. I've also started thinking about doing a redpill version because I've noticed a pattern of omission in redpill thinking.

And yeah number 2 is the most brutal and the hardest one to understand as a man. As a man most girls are fuckable. You might not want to date them or marry them but you'd shag them one night because they aren't repulsive. It really takes a deformed, filthy or obese girl to repulse most men. It's so hard to imagine that women have that feeling about 80% of men.
Bro you have fuckin number of neurons in the human body IQ, keep it up
 
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The dark triad and psychopath is true, but it's just because the better looking you are the more likely you are to have these traits.
https://incels.is/threads/if-i-was-dark-triad-i-would-have-gf-cope.174614/#post-3731037
This study examined the relations between facial attractiveness, aggression, and popularity in adolescence to determine whether facial attractiveness would buffer against the negative effects of aggression on popularity. We collected ratings of facial attractiveness from standardized photographs, and teachers provided information on adolescents' social aggression, physical aggression, and popularity for 143 seventh graders (70 girls). Regression analyses indicated that facial attractiveness moderated the relations between both types of aggression and popularity. Aggression was associated with a reduction in popularity for adolescents low on facial attractiveness. However, popularity did not decrease as a function of aggression for adolescents high on facial attractiveness. Aggressors with high facial attractiveness may experience fewer negative consequences to their social standing, thus contributing to higher overall rates of aggression in school settings."


Thinking that bullies get more gf because of behavior is completely wrong, bullies tend to have a better physique, height and even face, this attract girls, not their behavior, their behavior is caused by strong genes.

So ugly and manlet acting dark triad=over
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022440510000154
 
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anon said:
Men need to realize that at least 80% of young normal weight men (aged 17 - 35) are unattractive to women. I'd say it's probably closer to 90-99%, but let's just say that 80% of men are completely sexually unattractive, 10% are barely passable and the remaining 10% are decent enough or attractive. Men can't understand this because they find the vast majority of normal weight young women to be attractive.

I think this is by far the most important aspect of the blackpill.

The problem with men is that even if they accepted this fact, they'd think they're in the 20%. Men are delusional about their looks. They think that just because they're average height, have some money and aren't deformed that they're automatically attractive enough to many women.
Yeah it's so hard for men to understand this. In fact, even the people who think they are blackpilled often misunderstand the 80 - 20 okcupid data.

80% of men were rated as below average and unattractive. It doesn't mean the other 20% were attractive, that's the biggest mistake so many people here make. Among those 20% a good portion are just seen as ok, passable like you say.

I think the ones who are attractive are the top 20% of that 20%. So the top 4% of men in total. (we can round it up and say 5).

GeneticFilth said:
The dark triad and psychopath is true, but it's just because the better looking you are the more likely you are to have these traits.
https://incels.is/threads/if-i-was-dark-triad-i-would-have-gf-cope.174614/#post-3731037

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022440510000154
That's a great point. Obviously there could be a strong overlap. This kind of goes with my point number 1. Men who get rejected or who women don't like often think they have to be nicer to women. This is what creates orbiters, simps and high inhib guys, which will be unattractive in general.

Chad can do or say wtf he wants and still get away with it. Everything goes his way, and his terrible behavior is seen as good, or at least forgiven because of the halo effect. This makes chad think he's the main character of this world, that everyone is just a tool to be used by him. This is how you get a sociopath/narcissist.

I know some people are born with those traits, but I think your experiences could really push you one way or the other.
 
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I used to think foids liked nice guys, LOL
 
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Personalityinkwell said:
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I used to think foids liked nice guys, LOL
My mom told me they did. And she insisted that women hated bad boys.

Why parents fucking lie like this. It's like when they say the hard working nerd becomes wealthy and successful while the hs jock becomes a loser. Complete lie.
 
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Only problem here is that dark triad guys usually seem very "nice and charming" on the surface. Women are picking guys they think are nice initially.
 
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Best way to learn about a woman is to listen to her greivances because she will project herself.

A man will project only what he finds ideal.
 
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Its amazing how many people act like this
 
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Mods pin the thread now, this is SR-71 cruise altitude level IQ right here
 
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Have they ever actually replied seriously to any serious blackpill post backed by studies? All I've ever seen is screencaps of them acting smug about a 1-2 line rant or shitpost.
Science and objective reality
IT won't touch this :feelsclown:
 
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Brutal thread. The idea of equality between men and women is false and extremely dangerous in various ways.
 
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Gymcelled said:
You've lived all your life as a man, women have lived all their lives as women. It's really not that easy to understand how the opposite gender thinks, what their life experiences have been like. I think this is one of the driving forces behind bluepill logic.

Now of course bluepill logic is also caused by wishful thinking and naive hope. And there are other factors like the government and companies pushing bluepill to keep their taxpayers and workers, your parents trying to make sure you don't lose hope otherwise you won't reproduce etc. I'm not claiming that what I'm about to showcase is the main source of bluepill logic, I just think it has a significant role to play

Here are some examples (all the credit for the studies goes to the incel wiki https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill)

1) Thinking that being nice and conforming to whatever the foid thinks or does will make you attractive

Studies have shown that "niceness" is attractive to men. When men, especially virgins/incels, fantasize about women they don't picture a slut, a drug addict, a criminal, a girl that gets into worldstarhiphop fights etc.

So when non chads fail to get women they assume they have act nicer towards women, they wrongfully assume women think like them.

Turns out women have a disdain for niceness. In fact, for the same given looks, women will prefer men who exhibit the dark triad traits (psychopathy, narcissism, machiavelianism)

Studies validating this

Men scoring higher in psychopathic traits tended to receive higher ratings from women
Brazil, KJ. Forth AE. 2019. Psychopathy and the Induction of Desire: Formulating and Testing an Evolutionary Hypothesis. Evolutionary Psychological Science, pp 1-18. [Abstract]

Women are drawn more than men to nonfiction stories of rape, murder, and serial killers
Vicary AM, Fraley, RC. 2010. Captured by True Crime: Why Are Women Drawn to Tales of Rape, Murder, and Serial Killers? Social Psychological and Personality Science, 1(1): 81-86. [Abstract] [FullText]

Childhood bullies experience greater sexual success than non-bullies
It was found that a greater likelihood of being the perpetrator of bullying behavior was correlated with a greater sexual partner count. However, due to the nature of the study it was impossible to tell if the mediating factor in this relationship was the bullying itself, or the HEXACO personality traits that are associated with a greater likelihood of engaging in this behavior, specifically the trait 'Honesty-Humility', that was found to being generally lower among bullies. This personality trait has also generally been found to be related to the 'dark triad' traits.


  • Volk AA, Dane AV, Zopito AM, Vaillancourt T. 2015. Adolescent Bullying, Dating, and Mating: Testing an Evolutionary Hypothesis. Evolutionary Psychology. [FullText]
  • Provenzano DA, Dane AV, Farrell AH, Marini Z, Volk AA. 2017. Do Bullies Have More Sex? The Role of Personality. Evolutionary Psychological Science. [FullText]
Male gang members have dramatically more female sexual partners


  • Palmer CT, Tilley CF. 1995. Sexual Access to Females as a Motivation For Joining Gangs: An Evolutionary Approach. The Journal of Sex Research, 32(3):213-217. [Abstract] [FullText]
  • Mocan N, Tekin E. 2006. Ugly Criminals. National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) Working Paper No. 12019. [FullText]
Male serial killers, terrorists, and rapists receive thousands of love letters from women in prison


  • Fimrite P, Taylor M. 2005. No shortage of women who dream of snaring a husband on Death Row / Experts ponder why deadliest criminals get so many proposals. SF Gate. [News]
  • Gurian EA. 2013. Explanations of mixed-sex partnered homicide: A review of sociological and psychological theory. Aggression and Violent Behavior. 18(5): 520-526. [Abstract]
Criminal and anti-social men have more sexual partners and have sex earlier
Ellis L, Walsh A. 2000. Criminology: A Global Perspective, 1st Edition. pp 227: Table 8.11. [References]

Cluster-B personality disorders lead to 3.5x as many sexual partners and more offspring
Guitiérrez et al. (2013) conducted a study in order to determine if the various personality disorder clusters—Type A (Schizoid, Odd), Type B (Narcissistic, Anti-social) and Type C (Avoidant, OCD)—were solely detrimental in terms of life outcomes for the individuals with these personality disorders (PDs), or if they instead presented their sufferers with various potentially adaptive benefits, such as greater sexual and social opportunities.
Namely, those individuals high in type-B personality cluster traits (Narcissism, Anti-Social, Borderline, Histrionic) of both sexes has 3.5x as many mates as low B subjects, with five times as many short-term mates and twice as many long term mates. It was also found that those higher in cluster B had 39% more offspring then those lower in cluster B traits.

Gutiérrez F, Gárriz M, Peri JM, Ferraz L, Sol D, Navarro JB, Barbadilla A, Valdés M. 2013. Fitness costs and benefits of personality disorder traits. Evolution and Human Behavior. 34(1): 41-48.

39% of hospitalized male psychopaths had consensual sex with female mental health staff
Gacono C, Meloy JR, Sheppard K, Speth E, Roske A. 1995. A Clinical Investigation of Malingering and Psychopathy in Hospitalized Insanity Acquittees. Bull Am Acad Psychiatry Law. 23(3): 387-397. [FullText]

Men are attracted to "nice" women, but women are not attracted to "nice" men
Researchers sought to evaluate niceness by defining it as: "a characteristic that may signal to potential partners that one understands, values and supports important aspects of their self-concept and is willing to invest resources in the relationship." In other words, niceness is the degree to which a person understands, values, and supports his partner's identity and values and is willing to put commitment and effort into the relationship. This is also known in psychology as "responsiveness."
The researchers found that men who perceived possible female partners as responsive found them to be "more feminine and more attractive." They also found that when men found women to be responsive, it led to a heightened sexual arousal from the men and greater desire for a relationship.
On the other hand, when women perceived their male partner to be more responsive, they were less attracted to the man.


  • Birnbaum GE, Ein-Dor T, Reis HT, Segal N. 2014. Why Do Men Prefer Nice Women? Gender Typicality Mediates the Effect of Responsiveness on Perceived Attractiveness in Initial Acquaintanceships. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. 40(10): 1341-1353. [Abstract]
  • Mejia P. 2014. Study Finds That Men Like Nice Women, But Not the Other Way Around. Newsweek. [News]
  • Judge TA, Livingston BA, and Hurst C. 2012. Do nice guys—and gals—really finish last? The joint effects of sex and agreeableness on income. [Abstract]
Female narcissism reduces marital quality for men, but male narcissism does not for women
It was found that high degrees of female narcissism predicted a decline in marital quality and satisfaction over time. However, male narcissism did not negatively affect marital quality or satisfaction.
This would seem to imply men are greatly bothered by narcissistic wives, but women are not so typically bothered by narcissistic husbands. This conclusion is in keeping with evidence reviewed that women find narcissistic men more attractive and actively seek them as husbands.

Lavner JA, Lamkin J, Miller JD, Campbell WK, Karney BR. 2016. Narcissism and newlywed marriage: Partner characteristics and marital trajectories. Personal Disord. 7(2): 169-79. [Abstract]

Women desiring marriage and commitment are more attracted to narcissistic men
Haslam C, Montrose T. 2015. Should have known better: The impact of mating experience and the desire for marriage upon attraction to the narcissistic personality. Personality and Individual Differences. 82: 188-192. [Abstract]

2) Men assuming that the average guy is attractive to women

Most men find most women attractive, or at least attractive enough to want to fuck them. (maybe this isn't true if you live in a place ravaged by obesity but in general it's true)

Men are capable of rating women fairly, their distribution of the female looks is almost a perfect bell curve.

So plenty of men assume that if they're average, they're good enough physically, and if something is wrong it must be caused by something else (not behaving right, not having the right amount of money etc)

Yet studies have shown that most women think the average man is ugly. Again, men fail to comprehend the female point of view, leading to bluepill thinking.

Also, have you ever noticed how in any movie, tv show, commercial, if an AVERAGE woman is in her underwear, topless etc, it's always meant to be hot or erotic. If she acts confident then it's also supposed to be ... well confident!
If an AVERAGE man is in his underwear, shirtless it's eeeew, awkward, gross whatever. If he acts confident about it it's also seen as even more cringy or delusional.

Studies

Women feel sexual disgust when they imagine even talking to an unattractive man
Researchers attempted to study how women rate men and react to imagined sex with men while in an aroused and unaroused state. To do so, they showed 91 women either an erotic video or a hiking video before rating the attractiveness of photographs of men’s faces. The faces varied in attractiveness. The women then rated their disgust towards anticipated behaviors with men depicted on photographs.

They found that the most dramatic influence on women's disgust was how attractive the man they showed them was. All differences in disgust were significant when comparing the attractive man to the unattractive man, even when the anticipated behavior was just talking to the man. Sexually arousing women with pornography beforehand did not reduce their disgust at unattractive men.

Even the professional male model used to represent an 'attractive' man still aroused considerable disgust in women when they imagined sex with him. Researchers note that women experience a higher degree of sexual disgust towards men at baseline compared to how men feel about woman. Thus a man must truly be very attractive to a woman to override her innate sense of disgust. Since men have less sexual disgust at baseline, men may on the other hand be more flexible to consider women of more broadly varying attractiveness.

Perhaps most harshly, the image used to represent an 'unattractive' man appears to just be a fairly average white man. One can only imagine how much higher women's disgust would have been had they used a truly ugly man for the analysis.

Quotes:


  • Disgust is an avoidance reaction that serves the function of discouraging costly mating decisions.
  • In an online experiment, women rated their disgust towards anticipated behaviors with men depicted on photographs.
  • Participants did so in a sexually aroused state and in a control state.
  • The faces varied in attractiveness and the presence of disease cues (blemishes).
  • We found that disease cues and attractiveness, but not sexual arousal, influenced disgust.
  • The results suggest that women feel disgust at sexual contact with unattractive men.
  • Attractiveness seems to reduce disgust and therefore also avoidance tendencies—probably because it signals good health and small risk of pathogen transmission.
  • Women on average have a higher disgust sensitivity and propensity than men. This also implies that they require relatively more sexual arousal to outweigh disgust and elicit a sexually functioning feedback loop. In other words, sexual arousal is less likely to outweigh disgust in women.

References:


  • Zsok F, Fleischman DS, Borg C, Morrison E. 2017. Disgust Trumps Lust: Women’s Disgust and Attraction Towards Men Is Unaffected by Sexual Arousal. Evolutionary Psychological Science. 3(4): 353-363. [Abstract] [FullText]
70% of women would avoid someone solely based on their looks, compared to 31% of men
The skincare brand Remescar conducted a survey of 2,000 British men and women on their preferences for a romantic or sexual partner.

When women were asked what they desired in a romantic partner, their top rated value was “a nice smile”, and third from top was “body type”. 70% of female respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid an individual of the opposite sex solely because of the way they looked, versus 31% of men.

The magnitude of this sex difference is comparable with sex differences in attractiveness ratings (around d = 1.0).

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  • Women are more shallow than men when it comes to judging people on looks.
  • According to the poll, just 31 per cent of male respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid someone of the opposite sex based upon their looks, compared to a massive 70 per cent of female respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid the opposite sex because of the way they looked.

References:


  • Lanigan R. 2016. Women are more shallow than men when it comes to judging people on looks, says research. The Tab. [News]

3) Women telling men to just "lower their standards", thinking that every man aims for supermodel tier women, because they themselves aim for chad

You've all seen the tinder experiments. A woman can be ugly or obese and still gets tons of attention. Hell you can even throw in deformities, severe handicaps and men will still line up.

Women wrongfully assume that regardless of what you look like, you'll have options. In some rare cases when a foid is aiming wayyyy too high, what she does is she'll lower the bar a little bit, and SUDDENLY she has tons of other options. Women think you can do the same. In their mind, if you're not getting laid, you're just aiming for supermodels.

Studies

Being unattractive reduces men's chances of finding partners, but not women's
Researchers analyzed the results of 11,056 interviews in Spain to assess which factors most predicted a person's ability to find a partner for marriage.

Their study found in numerous parameters and analyses that male attractiveness had a massive effect on a man's ability to find a partner, to find a partner with a university degree, or to find a partner with a higher educational level.

However, in all areas of study, no major effects were seen for women based on their attractiveness. Female physical attractiveness generally played little or no role, however being unattractive presented a slight penalty to the likelihood of forming a couple among women of working-class origin, with the researchers noting this effect was much weaker among women of this social class then the one found among corresponding males of this class.

Discussion:

When speaking of the challenges that being an unattractive man poses in dating, many women are unsympathetic and cannot understand how being unattractive as a man could be so detrimental to success. Research suggests this may be because women do not suffer the same disadvantages from being unattractive, and thus have no personal reference for understanding the struggles of unattractive men. This is a cognitive bias known as the hot-cold empathy gap.

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  • For men, the results show that being unattractive decreases the likelihood of finding a partner, of finding a partner with a university degree, and of finding a partner with a higher educational level.
  • Being unattractive reduced the probability of mating for males by between 15 and 17 points, depending on the models used, when compared to the more attractive group, and 10 points compared to those with an average attractiveness level.
  • Being unattractive decreased the probability of social advancement through mating in males. The difference between them and those that were very attractive was 29 percentage points. The difference for those with average attractiveness levels was 20 percentage points.
  • For women, physical attractiveness does not affect the likelihood of any of those events occurring.
  • Among women, physical attractiveness did not matter when it came to mating. The results for women indicate that attractiveness did not matter.
  • The opposite happens with males: their physical attractiveness matters.
  • Being unattractive penalised the likelihood of forming a couple among women of working-class origin, which was not the case for daughter of high-ranking professionals. Even in this case, the less attractive women had a greater likelihood of forming a couple.

References:


  • Martínez-Pastor JI. 2017. How Important is Physical Attractiveness in the Marriage Market. Revista Española de Investigaciones Sociológicas. 159: 91-112. [FullText]
'Very unattractive' women are more likely to be married than other women
Kanazawa, Hu & Larere (2018) conducted an analysis of the The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health data consisting of a "sample of 20,745 adolescents" who were personally interviewed in their homes in four 'waves' ranging from 1994-2008. Only the data of those who participated in all waves and didn't drop out of the study was used for the authors analysis.

The authors analysed the data to find how attractive the participants (that were married or cohabitating) had been at the time of the beginning of their marriage or cohabitation, and used income as a proxy for their intelligence (IQ and income being robustly proven by previous research to be correlated).

The authors concluded that 'very unattractive' women were more likely to be married or cohabitating then merely unattractive or even average to good looking women, and their spouses tended to earn more then their better-looking female counterparts. They infer that intelligent men have a preference to marry or mate with very unattractive women.

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  • The analyses of the (data) showed that very unattractive women were significantly more likely to be married ...than unattractive women at 29, sometimes more than average-looking women, and their spouses or cohabitation partners earned significantly more than those of unattractive or average-looking women.
  • Because both intelligence and physical attractiveness are highly heritable, we would expect their offspring to be simultaneously intelligent and very unattractive.
  • Intelligent men’s preference to marry or mate with very unattractive women, if robust, can potentially explain why the correlation between intelligence and physical attractiveness is not larger despite the assortative mating of intelligent men of higher status and physically attractive women over many generations.

References:


  • Kanazawa S, Hu S, Larere A. 2018. Why do very unattractive workers earn so much? Economics & Human Biology. 29: 189-197. [Abstract]
Men like 61.9% of female profiles, women like only 4.5% of male profiles
Researchers conducted a field experiment on Tinder using 24 fictitious Tinder profiles in multiple cities in Flanders, the Northern, Dutch speaking region of Belgium. These profiles only differed on education level. They then collected and analyzed data on 3,600 profile evaluations to evaluate the extent to which education played a role in matching or dating on the app.

To ensure the pictures they used for the profiles were similar in attractiveness, they scored 32 (16 male, 16 female) pictures on Amazon Mechanical Turk and selected 8 pictures (4 male, 4 female) that 493 workers on MTurk judged to be similar in level of attractiveness. Then to ensure an even more fair evaluation, they attached to each picture three different education levels in three different cities.

They swiped to like 150 times for each profile, then collected data. Overall, men liked or superliked 61.9% of their female profiles. On the other hand, women only liked 4.5% of the male profiles. Men started a conversation with the female profiles 42.3% of the time, while women only initiated conversations 6.2% with the male profiles.

The Tinder study also found some evidence for hypergamy, which, they report, matched findings from other online dating studies, namely women tended to visit more educated men than themselves about twice as often and less educated men only half as often compared to someone of equal educational status. They also found that, contrary to the popular notion that men are "intimidated" by highly educated women, a woman's education level did not significantly change a man's swiping behavior. It was ultimately found that Tinder users do not engage in educationally assortative mating patterns as similarly educated people were not more likely to match, rather there was only evidence for the existence of female hypergamy.

Discussion:

Similarly large sex differences as in "superliking" have previously been found in natural, non-online settings, e.g. for sex-receptivity at Florida State University where 0% (N = 48) of the women accepted real-world random sex invitations, whereas 75% (N = 48) of men did (Clark & Hatfield 1989). Similarly, students were asked whether they intend coitus with someone met on spring to which 76% (N = 66) of men and 19% (N = 85) of women answered positively (Maticka-Tyndale, 2010).

Quotes:


  • Women on Tinder are more selective than men on Tinder.
  • Male subjects (super)liked [liked or superliked] 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked [liked or superliked] only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles.
  • Male subjects started a conversation with the female evaluated profiles much more often (42.3%) than the other way around (6.2%).
  • Women on Tinder have a preference for highly educated men.
  • We find evidence for a preference for hypergamy ... This effect is driven by the female subjects, who like higher educated profiles 92.2% more often, whereas this effect is not significant for the male subjects.
  • Male evaluated profiles with a Ma+ degree [5 year degree] secure at least twice as many matches compared with their counterparts which were lower educated.
  • Women are more reluctant than men to contact lower-educated potential partners.
  • Men on Tinder are not intimidated by highly educated women.
  • On Tinder, preferences for educational assortative mating are absent.
  • Women have a greater parental investment and are therefore looking for the most high-quality partner possible, in order to obtain high-quality offspring, therefore being more selective. Conversely, men have a smaller parental investment and are looking to maximize the quantity of offspring, resulting in them being less selective.

References:


  • Neyt B, Vandenbulcke S, Baert S. 2019. Are men intimidated by highly educated women? Undercover on Tinder. Economics of Education Review. 73: 101914. [Abstract] [FullText]
  • Maticka-Tyndale. 2010. Casual sex on spring break: Intentions and behaviors of canadian students. [Abstract]
  • Clark RD, Hatfield E. 1989. Gender differences in receptivity to sexual offers. Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality. 2(1):39-55. [Abstract]

4) Women thinking that being "educated" or having a high paying job makes them more attractive to men

How many articles written by women have you read or seen where they mention but I've got this degree, I make this much, I should be a big prize :(

But most men don't give a shit.

Women care about status and money, so they wrongfully assume men think like that as well

Studies

Photoshopping a man into a luxury apartment made women rate him as 30% more attractive
Dunn & Hill (2014) conducted a study wherein undergraduate students rated the attractiveness of a control photo of a opposite sex target in a 'neutral' apartment vs luxury. The photos were rated by two groups of participants, one group rating the control photo (N = 59) and another rating the luxury apartment photo (N = 43). The participants rated the attractiveness of the opposite sex target photo on a decile (1-10) scale.

The subjects were also asked to rate 'distracter photos' which were employed and presented in such a manner as a way of minimizing the participants ability to guess the nature and purpose of the study.

They also conducted a smaller scale preliminary study involving 20 (N = 10 male/10 female) undergraduate students, once again from the same university, who estimated the age and attractiveness of four potential opposite-sex target models. This preliminary study was used to help select the photos which were used for the main study (above).

It was found that, in both studies, that apartment context of a women's photo had no significant effect of the male raters judgement on the rated attractiveness of the photo. However, there was a significant (33% more attractive) effect for women rating the photos of the men.

Quotes:


  • Manipulated prestige car ownership has been shown previously to enhance male attractiveness.
  • In the current study the illusion of status-linked property ownership was achieved by presenting a target male and female (matched for attractiveness) adopting a casual posture standing in either a 'high status' (luxury apartment) or a 'neutral status' (standard apartment) context.
  • The male model was rated significantly more attractive when presented to females in the high status.
  • It appears then that it may be adaptive for men to display luxury consumption for example through purchasing a sports car or expensive house/apartment as a way of enhancing their social status, leading to more mating opportunities and higher levels of fitness.
  • However, the results of this and other studies suggest that if women are attempting to increase the likelihood of attracting males through status enhancement, then this may indeed be a futile endeavour.

References:


  • Dunn MJ, Hill A. 2014. Manipulated luxury-apartment ownership enhances opposite-sex attraction in females but not males. Journal of Evolutionary Psychology. 12(1): 1-17. [Abstract] [FullText]
Women are 1,000x more sensitive than men to economic status cues when rating attractiveness
Abstract from the paper: Parental investment hypotheses regarding mate selection suggest that human males should seek partners featured by youth and high fertility. However, females should be more sensitive to resources that can be invested on themselves and their offspring. Previous studies indicate that economic status is indeed important in male attractiveness. However, no previous study has quantified and compared the impact of equivalent resources on male and female attractiveness. Annual salary is a direct way to evaluate economic status. Here, we combined images of male and female body shape with information on annual salary to elucidate the influence of economic status on the attractiveness ratings by opposite sex raters in American, Chinese and European populations. We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women. Neither raters' BMI nor age influenced this effect for females rating male attractiveness. This difference explains many features of human mating behavior and may pose a barrier for male engagement in low-consumption lifestyles.

Quotes:


  • We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females.
  • These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women.
  • This difference explains many features of human mating behavior and may pose a barrier for male engagement in low-consumption lifestyles.

References:


  • Wang G, et al. 2018. Different impacts of resources on opposite sex ratings of physical attractiveness by males and females. [FullText]
Women orgasm more when having sex with rich men
Pollet & Nettle (2009) conducted a study investigating women's self reported orgasm frequency and the characteristics of their partners (N = 1534 women). The two variables in particular that were examined were annual wealth and height.

The researchers used data drawn from the Chinese Health and Family Life Survey sampling 60 villages and urban neighborhoods chosen in such a way as to represent the full geographical and socioeconomic range of contemporary China (i.e the PRC, excluding Tibet).

The items in the survey pertaining to the research were answered in conditions of exceptional privacy (the participants were away from their homes, and the researchers administering the survey couldn't see the answers to the 'sensitive' questions involving sexuality).

The data was analyzed by the researchers using several models to examine the correlations between partner height, annual income (in yuan), and self-reported orgasm frequency, carefully controlling for several possibly confounding variables such as relationship satisfaction, education levels of the partner etc.

It was found that there was a significant correlation between the women's orgasm frequency and the partner's annual income, but no significant correlation existed between orgasm frequency and partner height.

Quotes:


  • More desirable mates cause women to experience more orgasms.
  • There may be assortative mating of desirable men with women susceptible to be highly orgasmic.
  • However, we note that the data show that the more frequent orgasm of women paired to high-income men are not explicable by those women being healthier or happier overall.

References:


  • Pollet TV, Nettle D. 2009. Partner wealth predicts self-reported orgasm frequency in a sample of Chinese women. Evolution and Human Behavior. 30(2): 146-151. [FullText] [Abstract]
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This was just a few examples, but I think there are more out there. Maybe one day i'll make a longer list.

If you can think of other things don't hesitate to share those
Really great post mate — well said/well articulated. Saving this

Appreciate you always including citations, that’s awesome
jerrycan dan said:
Very intelligent and very true thread, mods should pin this
Agreed — especially since it’s a glossary of sorts for other posts with studies confirming each point. Very high effort/insightful post imo
 
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