When discussing looksmaxxing with blackpillers, you basically get two answers:
a) It's useless. It's over. Just LDAR or rope;
b) Only surgeries work, the rest is cope.
What I'm arguing here is that, while these two answers can be true, they are contingent on a person's age and other factors. Let's go through some items here:
1. Height. lookswise the heightpill is the most brutal. Because at a certain age there is realistically nothing one can do. Theoretically limb lengthening surgeries exist but they are too dangerous. You can go from an unloved short guy to a slightly taller unloved guy who can't walk properly. And the surgery does what it says, meaning it lengthens limbs (legs), not torso. So your body proportions can look weird. And you can still be small framewise.
But it's a little bit different, if you're a teenager. You can experience a natural growth spurt. And growing can be stimulated with food and sleep. Without fully Goatismaxxing with all the raw meat stuff, yes, a 14 year old boy can grow taller by drinking raw milk, even if slightly. Because it contains growth hormones naturally intended for calves. The hormones are destroyed with heat, so this doesn't apply to pasteurized milk. And you grow while you sleep. So don't be sleep depraved.
2. Weight. Majority of glow ups are just the looksmaxxer taking a better photo. But some of the real ones have to do with weight loss. And this is done by simply eating less. Exercising helps with muscle gain, not weight loss. But if you're already lean and still get the incel treatment, this means the problem is bones in your face. But you'll never know until you're lean.
3. Muscle. Not important lookswise. But could be useful in warding off bullies. They won't harass you, if you look like you can beat them up. The real risk here is roids. Get needlessly obsessed with muscles, do roids, die from a heart attack, simple as.
4. Face. Aside from weight loss, facial aesthetics are improved by surgery. But the problem here is the same as with body: doing surgery can ruin proportions. And here's a general concern with all surgeries: they are too expensive, thus, not accessible to majority. What's the point of browsing looksmaxxing forums, if the surgery you need costs 100 000$ but you don't have that money. So saying "you need a surgery" to an incel could be the same as noting that "it's over". But eating less or raw milk for youngcels is cheap.
5. Skin. Bad acne can be treated with Accutane. Untreated acne not just looks bad at the moment, it actually scars you for life.
Regarding ratings. Don't trust facial ratings coming from looksmaxxers. They underrate men and overrate women. A run of of the mill 5/10 normie will be rated as a 2/10 truecel. Unassuming 5/10 becky will be rated as a 9/10 gigastacy. But asking a normie is useless too. They overrate generally because they are just so bluepilled. Asking a normie is the same as asking your grandma. "Well, my grandma says I'm a handsome boy so..." But I would add that I also don't trust the ratings of users here. Yes, woman worship is fucking annoying but, no, Sydney Sweeney without makeup in not a 3. To sum up: we actually don't have a solid rating system. But we can safely assume that we fall somewhere at the bottom as shown by how society treats us.
Do you even want to looksmaxx? Depends heavily on your starting point. Looksmaxxing is more feasible to youngcels. And it's a question of justice, also. If we have to go through all of this in order simply to have a chance, it's not right. So it's natural for some incels to refuse any attempts to looksmaxx because of this,
a) It's useless. It's over. Just LDAR or rope;
b) Only surgeries work, the rest is cope.
What I'm arguing here is that, while these two answers can be true, they are contingent on a person's age and other factors. Let's go through some items here:
1. Height. lookswise the heightpill is the most brutal. Because at a certain age there is realistically nothing one can do. Theoretically limb lengthening surgeries exist but they are too dangerous. You can go from an unloved short guy to a slightly taller unloved guy who can't walk properly. And the surgery does what it says, meaning it lengthens limbs (legs), not torso. So your body proportions can look weird. And you can still be small framewise.
But it's a little bit different, if you're a teenager. You can experience a natural growth spurt. And growing can be stimulated with food and sleep. Without fully Goatismaxxing with all the raw meat stuff, yes, a 14 year old boy can grow taller by drinking raw milk, even if slightly. Because it contains growth hormones naturally intended for calves. The hormones are destroyed with heat, so this doesn't apply to pasteurized milk. And you grow while you sleep. So don't be sleep depraved.
2. Weight. Majority of glow ups are just the looksmaxxer taking a better photo. But some of the real ones have to do with weight loss. And this is done by simply eating less. Exercising helps with muscle gain, not weight loss. But if you're already lean and still get the incel treatment, this means the problem is bones in your face. But you'll never know until you're lean.
3. Muscle. Not important lookswise. But could be useful in warding off bullies. They won't harass you, if you look like you can beat them up. The real risk here is roids. Get needlessly obsessed with muscles, do roids, die from a heart attack, simple as.
4. Face. Aside from weight loss, facial aesthetics are improved by surgery. But the problem here is the same as with body: doing surgery can ruin proportions. And here's a general concern with all surgeries: they are too expensive, thus, not accessible to majority. What's the point of browsing looksmaxxing forums, if the surgery you need costs 100 000$ but you don't have that money. So saying "you need a surgery" to an incel could be the same as noting that "it's over". But eating less or raw milk for youngcels is cheap.
5. Skin. Bad acne can be treated with Accutane. Untreated acne not just looks bad at the moment, it actually scars you for life.
Regarding ratings. Don't trust facial ratings coming from looksmaxxers. They underrate men and overrate women. A run of of the mill 5/10 normie will be rated as a 2/10 truecel. Unassuming 5/10 becky will be rated as a 9/10 gigastacy. But asking a normie is useless too. They overrate generally because they are just so bluepilled. Asking a normie is the same as asking your grandma. "Well, my grandma says I'm a handsome boy so..." But I would add that I also don't trust the ratings of users here. Yes, woman worship is fucking annoying but, no, Sydney Sweeney without makeup in not a 3. To sum up: we actually don't have a solid rating system. But we can safely assume that we fall somewhere at the bottom as shown by how society treats us.
Do you even want to looksmaxx? Depends heavily on your starting point. Looksmaxxing is more feasible to youngcels. And it's a question of justice, also. If we have to go through all of this in order simply to have a chance, it's not right. So it's natural for some incels to refuse any attempts to looksmaxx because of this,
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