Job well done defending le based russian regime. Sign up to gosuslugi to receive your state-mandated alt-girl.Yes Russia is BASED. Can I get a Russian foid?
Serious Reminder, that if you don't support Russia: You don't support Incels
Some commenters say russian economy grows because of increased military production. That doesn't translate to high quality civic goods. When this war ends chances are we will see some sort of correction (regression).
Once again you can't eat this shit. It doesn't translate to high quality civic production. And russia has done a good job fucking up it's international relations to really capitalize on the nuclear power thing.
I'm not talking joining EU or NATO (although that would also be beneficial) . I'm more concerned with institutions and political/economic freedoms that allow for economic growth.
Can you point me to the russophoby you're talking about? Because to me the real internalized russophoby is the course russia is taking right now. I'm a patriot in the truest sense of this word, i have the spirit to admit that my country and its people are doing something wrong. And i critisize it for this. As they say "your homeland is not the president's ass." . And your last pic is literally some grey beard yelling at cloud.
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Of course patriot have a right to criticise a government, a policy of the said government, even negative characteristics of the some nation.
However, you are overly critical not only towards the Russian government but towards the Russian national character which enabled Russian nation and Russian state to survive in history.
Russian people ( at least those from Moskovskaya Rus ) in general are государственники, and there isn't something bad about it. It's just the way it is.
Like some person wears dress because this dress suits him better than other.
You practically never criticise idiotic decisions made in Western countries even if they are unnecessary and aimed at your country. Like enlargement of NATO.
Even Solzhenitsyn ( who was hardly sympathetic towards USSR ) was strongly against NATO enlargement.
You look like you naively believe that West or anything western is automatically good.
Russia has no titular nation right now, only its people. And this is the case precisely because russians had been overly state-centric throughout generations on end. Nation defies the state in a great part. I'm in full right to critisize the state, the government AND the people of russia that reproduce the state-centric mentality and perpetuate their selfless servitude to the state.
This is the russophoby i'm talking about lol. A notion that russians unlike other peoples can't build an independent, horizontally organized and interconnected society of free individuals and have to turn to the overreaching embrace of the state at all times. And that without the state they are but blind puppies who stumble randomly to their demise. And if that's the case, i'm all the more happy not to refer to myself as russian anymore, that would be a relief in a way.
i don't follow western politics that closely, simple as this.
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Reminder, that if you don't support Russian incel meat grinder: You don't support Incels
Tbh, but Ukraine makes the same. Being born as a Slav is a curse. Trucel wouldn't care about this war if it doesn't touch him directly.
Tbh, but Ukraine makes the same. Being born as a Slav is a curse. Trucel wouldn't care about this war if it doesn't touch him directly.
you will. russian foids are trad and arent misandric roasties like western foids areI only support russia if i get Russian Gigastacy
true, and every oldcel is eligible for receiving a state-mandated alt-girl through gosuslugi.
You need a powerful state to project power to the outside world and to defend interest of your nation.
I can't imagine any countries which were based on anarchy principles. It's the same with faith/atheism. An individual people can survive without religious faith, a nation - hardly. An individual can live according to anarchist principles, a country can not exist.
As I said earlier, you seem to believe in abstract things like 'freedom', 'democracy' because these things supposedly work in the West but there are limitations in real life.
I even have read Western authors who argue that there is no democracy in the West.
Every country is repressive to some extent.
Westoids talk about 'democracy', 'freedom', 'stability', 'Euro-Atlantic values' but amongst NATO founders were literal dictatorship - a Salazar's Portugal. I don't even mention paragon of democracy and freedom - Turkey...
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KEK.
Plot twist:All incels move to Russia to accelerate the gender war
I only support russia if i get Russian Gigastacy
Strong interconnected horizontal society doesn't do away with the state altogether, only if you believe in this dichotomy (i don't). Historically russian state was one of the strongest and most repressive compared to most european countries and this goes back many centuries. Somehow other european countries managed to get it right or almost right, but some people seem to deny russia this possibility. What is this if not russophoby.
Russian propaganda loves this rhetoric. "Look, there's some limitations to democracy in the west, which means there's no democracy in the west, which means there's no democracy, which means russia and the west stand on equal moral ground and the west can't lecture russia on democracy and freedoms!" . Russian propaganda works really hard to develop the high degree of cynicism and moral relativism among russians, as it's very convenient to rule over faithless and insulated people. But no, thankfully there IS starking difference between how these supposedly similar institutes and notions work in the west and russia.
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>thinking any government on earth is on our side
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I don´t care anymore about this nonsensical war, between two 3rd world Slavic Shitholes....
I´m just waiting for Weeb Union and History legends to upload a video, to see the next Tree, house or Toilet they managed to capture.
The beginning in 2022 was exciting cause of VDV storming hostomel , and the battle of Kiev.
After that, it became a boring stalemate
Also, it's funny that you mention Turkey, because despite the fact that its current government can't be called fully democratic, even here there's a world of difference between the democracy in turkey, which without doubt is hurdled by the current regime but not eliminated, and this abominating "democratic" ritualism that we see in russia. Like seriously, this is what we're dealing with. When comparing to some eastern personalist regime doesn't even do full justice to the sovereign russian modus operandi.
Why do you think that democracy is superior to other forms of rule? Why do you think that Russians need to be lectured by hypocritical westoids instead of managing their internal problems themselves?
Does this looks like someone spreading 'freedoms and democracy' would do?
Why do EU has very good relationships with autocratic Azerbaijan instead of lecturing it on 'democraty and freedoms'?
How NATO ignored the fact that some of its members weren't democratic and someone still isn't ( Turkey )?
Superior in what sense? I guess one might call the french government that allows country-wide multi-million strikes inefficient, while commending stalin's methods of persuasion. Yes, democracy is not as effective, because the society of free individuals has a say. It comes at a price, and defending one's rights is a skill that should be practised. State centrism can also lead to moral relativism which doesn't allow for nation building. You can't form a nation out of people that suck up to the current regime at all times. The loyalty to the current state corporation is all that matters in this system, and any kind of deviation is not allowed. Let me remind you that both Alexei Navalny and Evgenii Prigozhin now bite the dust. But what gave??? This isn't merely a question of democracy, but agency of russian people. Russia has no titular nation right now.
What the amount of democracy does do motherfucker. Accountability of the government and its ability to recognise and publicly admit its mistakes.
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Jfl. Saying 'sorry' after many decades. No one was punished; no one received compensation.
yeah tell me more, russian government doesn't even do this lol
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If there was a country for incels, it would be ostracized and hated by all the other states and have no allies whatsoever. Not because they're an actual threat or anything. But because they're populated by ugly undesirable non NT men and people wouldn't care if they got genocided. Not a single flying fuck would be given by anyone anywhere.
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State centrism isn't only a Russian thing. Germans also were state-centric until forced 'democratisation' after 1945.
Ok, you don't listen. Nowhere in europe state was historically as powerful and people as powerless and subservient as in russia. Yes, even germany was more democratic. Russian nation didn't even develop because of it. Yes, apparently we can equate the state centrism in germany to that in russia.
Just one example. In 1992 Yeltsin condemned Soviet invasion in Hungary in 1956. In 2006 Putin said that Soviet intervention was a mistake and laid flowers on the monument to victims of 1956 events while visiting Hungary.
In 2023 Putin again said that intervention in Hungary was a mistake.
Again, why do you think that affairs in Russia should be identical to that of the West? It's impossible because Russian past was different plus Russia is a huge country so strong central government is a guarantee that Russia didn't collapses.
'Democracy' isn't identical everywhere. I have read that Japanese media operates on different principles compared to the West, for example.
I'm sure that democracy in South Korea is completely different compared to the democracy in Sweden.
You, for some reason look only at West.
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BRO why the fuck cant you just drag and drop images on this piece of shit site, instead you need to cOpY tHe mEdIa lInK which doesnt fucking work most of the time
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It shouldn't be identical. To be frank, russian political history and tradition is rather unique in its authocratic tendencies. And this was a thing even before russia become a huge empire. But i want russia to make very cognizant efforts towards a truly national state and the prevalence of law. Otherwise i might as well not call myself russian, clearly my values are different from those of most russians, if you insist.
Democracy and civic representation is not some relative notion, contrary to what russian state propaganda wants you to think. Every government should be truly representative, a truly national state should have a strong interconnected net of many independent social forces. And you talk as though there's some democracy in russia, its just different or has some kind of national flavour (again a common trope among russian propagandists). This is not true.
I don't have to look at india or japan or iran or some shit. Russia is a european country first and foremost. And even then, as I said russian political tradition is unique and has not had that many examples throughout history. And i don't mean it as a good thing.
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Have any Russians heard of this saying? Because I've seen it elsewhere but I'm not sure if it originated from Russians. It's to this effect:
The Russian revolution succeeded because of Jewish cunning and finance, Latvian bayonets and Russian stupidity.
The Russian revolution succeeded because of Jewish cunning and finance, Latvian bayonets and Russian stupidity.
Russia is not an European country in that sense that it started as an European country but later gained huge territories in Asia and non-European nation's living on them.
Russia borders with the most influential Asian countries such as China and Japan and with less influential but nevertheless big countries such as Kazakhstan and Mongolia.
So Russia just can't ignore Asian factor in its politics.
Regarding Russian political tradition
You forgot German support for Bolsheviks because Germany wanted to weaken one of the main enemies in the WW1.
The person who masterminded the plan, Alexander Parvus, was Jewish. Although as a whole it's still Germany's own doing. Left wingers typically hated the Imperial Russian government back in the 1800s and early 1900s because they saw it as a force for reactionary and counterrevolution in world politics, so they usually tended to always side against Russia. Marx himself rooted for Britain against Russia and called the US one of the most progressive countries on the planet.
"Советская власть держится на еврейский мозгах, латышских штыках и русских дураках". "Soviet rule bases on jewish brains [= brainpower], latvian bayonets and russian fools". This is what i've heard a couple of times, but i can't attest it, maybe it's some relatively recent coining.
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You completely ignore the fact that the civilizational impulse that spreaded had one single direction: FROM russia, TO siberia and russian far east. After mongol rule ceased there was close to none communication between russian and those eastern cultures, no back and forth. This is a pure and very dishonest anachronism that is also utilized by russian propaganda sometimes. Russia has gained its impulse from europe and christianity, and this is what russia brought to these lands.
Some old man yells at cloud, nobody cares.
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meh if russian chads die idc
inceldom has no country*
*other than maybe india
inceldom has no country*
*other than maybe india
Russian's tend to seed their torrents so I have respect for them
Idk because they're still multiplying like crazy over there
Rooting for Russia since the start of war. Knowing that they close LGBTQ bars there and protect their youth from rainbow marxists is enough for me.
But, on the other hand, I know that women there fuck dogs en masse, abortions are very hight, divorces etc, which sucks.
But, on the other hand, I know that women there fuck dogs en masse, abortions are very hight, divorces etc, which sucks.
Russia accepted Eastern Christianity which was hated and persecuted by the Westerners. There were already differences between Eastern and Western Christianity before the split.
But later Russia absorbed some Muslim and Buddhist nations which became a part of Russian state and history.
So Russia clearly differs from ethnically homogeneous states with the common religion like Sweden ( at least Sweden before 1970s ).
Also, why do you associate Western with democratic? Absolute monarchy was also western thing. Socialist ideology was also western thing. Fascist collectivism was also western thing.
You sound like typical западник who worships everything western and looks down on Russian tradition. Like one Polish author wrote about Russian intelligentsia: "they considered themselves anti-government then in fact they were anti-state'.
There is also nothing wrong with having a mixed European and Asian mentality. It's a consequence of geography and history and you can't escape from that. Like Marquis de Custine wrote that Russia is a 'horrendous mix between European mind and science and Asian spirit'.
Another French in XVIII observed Poles and wrote that 'their manners and customs are Asiatic'.
Byzantine was still part of the west, as i said many a time.
Buddhist "nations" that russia absorbed is a joke. What is really were was just an amalgam of asian peoples that didn't have any developed state or government, litrary and intellectual tradition, etc. You can't in good faith argue that some backwards native population could shape russian way of thinking. And other siberians were even illiterate pagans jfl. Same goes to muslims under russian rule: most of them were just nomadic tribes. These primitive peoples couldn't influence russia in the way you think. And they shouldn't. On the other hand, if they in fact did, i have a bad news for you: this is morally wrong and shouldn't have happened. "Russians is a european nation that deserves a european way of living" - this is what i profess.
First, if it's ethnic population that is holding russia back, it is wrong and should not be the case. And in general, russian multiethnism or multinationalism is overblown by russian propaganda of the last decades. Alternatively you can consider israel: only about 80% of population is jews, still has no problems maintaining highly developed social order.
This is a byproduct of having an intellectual tradition: various ideologies can exist and develop. Russia opted to take some of the worst parts, which is sad, but it doesn't have to be that way. Also, absolute monarchy still doesnt imply doing away with the legality. Russian authocratic power was above any legality (consider Ivan III, Ivan Grozny or Peter the great and compare them to other european monarchs)
russian political tradition was trash, i don't think anyone could convince me otherwise. There's nothing to be proud about it, nothing to preserve and pass over to the posterity.
this retard clearly was talking about russian socialists. One could do as little as read some dekabrists and see for themselves just how "anti-state" russian traditional liberals could be. Then again, knowing russian state as it was, you can hardly blame socialists.
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Also as an aside, I probably should remind you that russia was historically empire, and at one point was comprised of several relatively insulated parts:
russian (velikorussian, belorussian and malorussian) center which russian empire utilized for military campaigns, prestige, and expansion while holding them as slaves;
finland, poland each having their own parliament, army, law making, etc;
ostsee governorates which also had a lot of privileges compared to russians;
various siberian peoples and central eastern territories that were largely autonomous and exempt from serfdom and military service.
What amount of interaction and mutual influence even was there to be had?
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I wouldn't call Khazan state primitive but if you think...
Byzantium clearly was different from the Western European states.
'Byzantinism' as a way of doing things implies autocracy and primacy of state ruler over the Church ( as we see in Russia today ) plus complexity of manners and behaviour ( which can be associated with deception and sophistication ).
But discussions about these things can be endless.
You wrote 'Russians are a European nation that deserves a European way of living' but this is a very broad concept.
Again, you associate 'european way of living' with West European way judging by your posts. Reminds me of some author who wrote that before the Age of Discovery Europe was dominated by Catholic church, forgetting about such countries as Byzantium, Serbia, Bulgaria, Moldova etc.
Implying that such countries aren't 'European'.
Europe was very different so Polish-Lithuanian magnates who were 'law upon themselves' and acted as if their interests are above interests of the state and people were also 'European way of living'.
Tyrants such as Vlad the Impaler also is 'European way of living' since Valachia was an European nation.
There is no some unified standard then it comes to 'European way of living'.
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Is the Russian empire bad for you? I think that ideally Russia shouldn't include such nations as Poles or Finns and even many central Asians.
russians are known to be faggots and degenerates
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