slavcel11
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Job well done defending le based russian regime. Sign up to gosuslugi to receive your state-mandated alt-girl.Yes Russia is BASED. Can I get a Russian foid?
Job well done defending le based russian regime. Sign up to gosuslugi to receive your state-mandated alt-girl.Yes Russia is BASED. Can I get a Russian foid?
Some commenters say russian economy grows because of increased military production. That doesn't translate to high quality civic goods. When this war ends chances are we will see some sort of correction (regression).Your claims are emotional and aren't grounded in reality.
Even under heavy, unprecedented sanctions in history, Russian economy still grows.
Once again you can't eat this shit. It doesn't translate to high quality civic production. And russia has done a good job fucking up it's international relations to really capitalize on the nuclear power thing.Russia is a leading country in the world when it comes to electronic warfare.
Or nuclear power plant construction ( 'Rosatom' ).
Russia is the only country in the world to possess nuclear icebreaker fleet.
Hardly counts as a 'third word shithole' or as irrelevant country.
I'm not talking joining EU or NATO (although that would also be beneficial) . I'm more concerned with institutions and political/economic freedoms that allow for economic growth.Being in EU and NATO doesn't make you automatically wealthy what's why Bulgaria is poorer than Russia, for example.
Can you point me to the russophoby you're talking about? Because to me the real internalized russophoby is the course russia is taking right now. I'm a patriot in the truest sense of this word, i have the spirit to admit that my country and its people are doing something wrong. And i critisize it for this. As they say "your homeland is not the president's ass." . And your last pic is literally some grey beard yelling at cloud.In general, you sound like a russophobe, slavishly admiring the west, no matter how hypocritical or damaging western policy is.
I personally don't know about Chinese or Russian involvement in North Ireland conflict while westoids intervene in everything.
You probably aren't Russian but Pole, living in Russia.
Of course patriot have a right to criticise a government, a policy of the said government, even negative characteristics of the some nation.Can you point me to the russophoby you're talking about? Because to me the real internalized russophoby is the course russia is taking right now. I'm a patriot in the truest sense of this word, i have the spirit to admit that my country and its people are doing something wrong. And i critisize it for this. As they say "your homeland is not the president's ass." . And your last pic is literally some grey beard yelling at cloud.
Russia has no titular nation right now, only its people. And this is the case precisely because russians had been overly state-centric throughout generations on end. Nation defies the state in a great part. I'm in full right to critisize the state, the government AND the people of russia that reproduce the state-centric mentality and perpetuate their selfless servitude to the state.Of course patriot have a right to criticise a government, a policy of the said government, even negative characteristics of the some nation.
However, you are overly critical not only towards the Russian government but towards the Russian national character which enabled Russian nation and Russian state to survive in history.
This is the russophoby i'm talking about lol. A notion that russians unlike other peoples can't build an independent, horizontally organized and interconnected society of free individuals and have to turn to the overreaching embrace of the state at all times. And that without the state they are but blind puppies who stumble randomly to their demise. And if that's the case, i'm all the more happy not to refer to myself as russian anymore, that would be a relief in a way.Russian people ( at least those from Moskovskaya Rus ) in general are государственники, and there isn't something bad about it. It's just the way it is.
Like some person wears dress because this dress suits him better than other.
i don't follow western politics that closely, simple as this.You practically never criticise idiotic decisions made in Western countries even if they are unnecessary and aimed at your country. Like enlargement of NATO.
you will. russian foids are trad and arent misandric roasties like western foids areI only support russia if i get Russian Gigastacy
true, and every oldcel is eligible for receiving a state-mandated alt-girl through gosuslugi.you will. russian foids are trad and arent misandric roasties like western foids are
You need a powerful state to project power to the outside world and to defend interest of your nation.This is the russophoby i'm talking about lol. A notion that russians unlike other peoples can't build an independent, horizontally organized and interconnected society of free individuals and have to turn to the overreaching embrace of the state at all times. And that without the state they are but blind puppies who stumble randomly to their demise. And if that's the case, i'm all the more happy not to refer to myself as russian anymore, that would be a relief in a way.
He's right though. Ruzzians' attitude is profoundly resentful and vindictive. They think just because they defeated nazi germany or someshit everyone should be out there sucking their dicks. But they can't even build a functional society and their attempts at state-building and nation-building fail one after another. But how is that possible!!! We defeated Hitla!!! We're the greatest people in the world!!! Everyone be grateful!!! Why can't everyone see this?! Why do we live in such a shithole? Their homerically high opinion of themselves doesn't add up to the reality they live in. Of course they get bitter and lash out at other (more successful) countries.
I only support russia if i get Russian Gigastacy
Strong interconnected horizontal society doesn't do away with the state altogether, only if you believe in this dichotomy (i don't). Historically russian state was one of the strongest and most repressive compared to most european countries and this goes back many centuries. Somehow other european countries managed to get it right or almost right, but some people seem to deny russia this possibility. What is this if not russophoby.You need a powerful state to project power to the outside world and to defend interest of your nation.
I can't imagine any countries which were based on anarchy principles. It's the same with faith/atheism. An individual people can survive without religious faith, a nation - hardly. An individual can live according to anarchist principles, a country can not exist.
Russian propaganda loves this rhetoric. "Look, there's some limitations to democracy in the west, which means there's no democracy in the west, which means there's no democracy, which means russia and the west stand on equal moral ground and the west can't lecture russia on democracy and freedoms!" . Russian propaganda works really hard to develop the high degree of cynicism and moral relativism among russians, as it's very convenient to rule over faithless and insulated people. But no, thankfully there IS starking difference between how these supposedly similar institutes and notions work in the west and russia.As I said earlier, you seem to believe in abstract things like 'freedom', 'democracy' because these things supposedly work in the West but there are limitations in real life.
I even have read Western authors who argue that there is no democracy in the West.
Every country is repressive to some extent.
I don´t care anymore about this nonsensical war, between two 3rd world Slavic Shitholes....Russia is even more degenerated than "degenrated west".
If someone says that russia is defending traditional values he has no idea what Russia is.
Also, it's funny that you mention Turkey, because despite the fact that its current government can't be called fully democratic, even here there's a world of difference between the democracy in turkey, which without doubt is hurdled by the current regime but not eliminated, and this abominating "democratic" ritualism that we see in russia. Like seriously, this is what we're dealing with. When comparing to some eastern personalist regime doesn't even do full justice to the sovereign russian modus operandi.Westoids talk about 'democracy', 'freedom', 'stability', 'Euro-Atlantic values' but amongst NATO founders were literal dictatorship - a Salazar's Portugal. I don't even mention paragon of democracy and freedom - Turkey...
Why do you think that democracy is superior to other forms of rule? Why do you think that Russians need to be lectured by hypocritical westoids instead of managing their internal problems themselves?Strong interconnected horizontal society doesn't do away with the state altogether, only if you believe in this dichotomy (i don't). Historically russian state was one of the strongest and most repressive compared to most european countries and this goes back many centuries. Somehow other european countries managed to get it right or almost right, but some people seem to deny russia this possibility. What is this if not russophoby.
Russian propaganda loves this rhetoric. "Look, there's some limitations to democracy in the west, which means there's no democracy in the west, which means there's no democracy, which means russia and the west stand on equal moral ground and the west can't lecture russia on democracy and freedoms!" . Russian propaganda works really hard to develop the high degree of cynicism and moral relativism among russians, as it's very convenient to rule over faithless and insulated people. But no, thankfully there IS starking difference between how these supposedly similar institutes and notions work in the west and russia.
Superior in what sense? I guess one might call the french government that allows country-wide multi-million strikes inefficient, while commending stalin's methods of persuasion. Yes, democracy is not as effective, because the society of free individuals has a say. It comes at a price, and defending one's rights is a skill that should be practised. State centrism can also lead to moral relativism which doesn't allow for nation building. You can't form a nation out of people that suck up to the current regime at all times. The loyalty to the current state corporation is all that matters in this system, and any kind of deviation is not allowed. Let me remind you that both Alexei Navalny and Evgenii Prigozhin now bite the dust. But what gave??? This isn't merely a question of democracy, but agency of russian people. Russia has no titular nation right now.Why do you think that democracy is superior to other forms of rule? Why do you think that Russians need to be lectured by hypocritical westoids instead of managing their internal problems themselves?
What the amount of democracy does do motherfucker. Accountability of the government and its ability to recognise and publicly admit its mistakes.Does this looks like someone spreading 'freedoms and democracy' would do?
Jfl. Saying 'sorry' after many decades. No one was punished; no one received compensation.What the amount of democracy does do motherfucker. Accountability of the government and its ability to recognise and publicly admit its mistakes.
yeah tell me more, russian government doesn't even do this lolJfl. Saying 'sorry' after many decades. No one was punished; no one received compensation.
State centrism isn't only a Russian thing. Germans also were state-centric until forced 'democratisation' after 1945.State centrism can also lead to moral relativism which doesn't allow for nation building.
Ok, you don't listen. Nowhere in europe state was historically as powerful and people as powerless and subservient as in russia. Yes, even germany was more democratic. Russian nation didn't even develop because of it. Yes, apparently we can equate the state centrism in germany to that in russia.State centrism isn't only a Russian thing. Germans also were state-centric until forced 'democratisation' after 1945.
Just one example. In 1992 Yeltsin condemned Soviet invasion in Hungary in 1956. In 2006 Putin said that Soviet intervention was a mistake and laid flowers on the monument to victims of 1956 events while visiting Hungary.yeah tell me more, russian government doesn't even do this lol
Again, why do you think that affairs in Russia should be identical to that of the West? It's impossible because Russian past was different plus Russia is a huge country so strong central government is a guarantee that Russia didn't collapses.Ok, you don't listen. Nowhere in europe state was historically as powerful and people as powerless and subservient as in russia. Yes, even germany was more democratic. Russian nation didn't even develop because of it. Yes, apparently we can equate the state centrism in germany to that in russia.