This is the true blackpill. That no matter what you do, what you say, think or how you act has ever made any difference at all. It was all pre-determined when you were born
Blackpill Your life is determined by a string of random events
No it’s not . You are what you make it. Incel or not.
Causality. Cause and effect. Fate. Destiny. Determinism. If you deny these things you are a brainlet or a coper. The Rich, the attractive, the fortunate, they all like to believe that they got these things because they deserved them, it's what makes them happy. We really need to blackpill those fucks.
And why do you want to make things a certain way? Where do your thoughts come from?
Conscientiousness is extremely underrated. Unless you were born distinctly good-looking or rich, that can make all the difference.
Being low on conscientiousness and ugly/poor is basically KNOWING that you'll never be a big deal in anything.
Being low on conscientiousness and ugly/poor is basically KNOWING that you'll never be a big deal in anything.
Predetermined and random do not mix well. When I was a teen I realized that Biology and Physics made random chance almost impossible. "Accidents" and "random chance" are just human blind spots in perception.
Only the things that are out of your control matter in life:
Face
Height
Where in the world you were born
Who your parents are
Even IQ is 100% genetic
That is not bluepill ,this is the bitter truth and essentially a blackpill in itself. You choose to LDAR , because you can.The results of physical features that hinder you , that you had no control over . You either choose to rot or do something to benefit yourself ,or give in to the cruelty of your existence . I’m not even talking about femoids but life in general. Status, money , fame ,achievements, skill mastery etc . Regardless of looks you could get all that, but femoids loving you like a Chad will likely not happen. I choose to make my own destiny even if I’m ugly as sin, I don’t have to rot.
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I agree. But I'm only saying being extremely high on conscientiousness CAN make a person fucked from birth (ugly/poor/fucked up country) get somewhere. But it's naturally also predetermined.
No, fate and destiny is a thing.
Most people here are atheists, why would they believe in things that were “Pre-Determined” to happen A.k.a “Fate” or “Destiny” .Fate is the life you lead if you never put yourself in the path of greatness. That’s the direction your life moves in without any effort on your part. That’s your fate.Destiny is your potential waiting to happen. It’s the top tier in the grand scheme of possibilities and where your dreams come true. You have to be willing to take that first step to reach your potential, even if it’s a risk.
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I got rich through crypto and I'm not deluded enough to think that it was more than luck (it was 95% luck, 5% IQ. Lucky timing matters a lot more than investment strategies).
While free will exists, it's not as strong as influence from genes, neurotransmitters and the environment. Proof: my personality has completely changed since electroshocks fixed my depression.
Answer this simple question: Where do your thoughts come from? Where do your opinions come from?
Why do you believe free will exists? Have you had spiritual experiences? In order for free will to exist then our minds would have to exist separately from causality, if they existed separately from the material world of cause and effect, then how did the electroshock change your personality?
I got rich through crypto and I'm not deluded enough to think that it was more than luck (it was 95% luck, 5% IQ. Lucky timing matters a lot more than investment strategies).
While free will exists, it's not as strong as influence from genes, neurotransmitters and the environment. Proof: my personality has completely changed since electroshocks fixed my depression.
You “Choose” to make money on crypto , correct? That is a “choice” YOU made. Would the money appear there randomly in your Bitcoin Wallet/or Bank Account had you not did it yourself?
I got rich through crypto and I'm not deluded enough to think that it was more than luck (it was 95% luck, 5% IQ. Lucky timing matters a lot more than investment strategies).
While free will exists, it's not as strong as influence from genes, neurotransmitters and the environment. Proof: my personality has completely changed since electroshocks fixed my depression.
From my mind and mine alone, where do your thoughts and opinions come from? Chemicals in the brain that pre determine your current actions?
I did choose to buy crypto. I did not choose to become rich through crypto. Others "decided" this.
And how was your mind formed? You were brought into existence by your parents, who were brought into existence by their parents. Your mind is the product of your body and your body is the product of the material world (that is unless divinity of some sort exists outside the material, outside causality) the whole world is like a line of dominoes, one falling on the other and pushing it forward onto the next. Your choices are nothing more than the product of your conscious and subconscious mind. When you read this post you are not actively choosing how your mind reacts to it, you simply are reacting.
When you wrote this post you weren’t writing it. It was the chemicals in your brain reacting to what your optical nerves are viewing.You subconscious knows this to be so. What is “existence”, anyway. We didn’t exist 100 years ago but what was it like not “existing” yet. What is after death? Is their a higher divine power?Your not reading this posts it’s just the illusion of free will.
If free will exists why are you shitposting on incels.is instead of looksmaxxing, statusmaxxing, or moneymaxxing?
If free will does exist why are you replying to my posts? You do or don’t have free will? Which is it?
I don't know for certain whether free will does or does not exist because my knowledge is limited to that of my flawed human mind. Sometimes I find myself doing things I can't explain doing, though, and in the world we live in cause and effect is observable, and when taking that into account I see no way for free will to exist without some sort of divinity. The material world does not inspire belief in the divine, at least not to me.
I'm with zaethues on this.
thats some low IQ religion cope.
No man it is predetermined by the creator
Life is determined only by a binary: white or not white
y tho? Have you had spiritual experiences?
I don't know if you need spiritual experiences.
But you can, indeed, make decisions to change the way you live.
How can choice exist in a material world?
Can't you choose to type on a keyboard or drink water?
Unless you are a robot....
Free-will doesn't exist.
Things are either caused by factors/determined = no freewill.
Or no factors, in that case random = no-free will
If things weren't based on factors, like personality, memory, genes etc, identity wold make no sense and our actions and society would be impossible to decipher, truly absurd, like one day you wake up as a soyboy, start an action then change recourse and become blackpilled for a moment, only to want to play basketball and then conceive a plan to change your country to then take a gun and shoot someone, fhat's what no caused aka randomness would imply, and that's not freewill.
Things are either caused by factors/determined = no freewill.
Or no factors, in that case random = no-free will
If things weren't based on factors, like personality, memory, genes etc, identity wold make no sense and our actions and society would be impossible to decipher, truly absurd, like one day you wake up as a soyboy, start an action then change recourse and become blackpilled for a moment, only to want to play basketball and then conceive a plan to change your country to then take a gun and shoot someone, fhat's what no caused aka randomness would imply, and that's not freewill.
Excatly, but I digress anyone can believe in what they want.
If free will doesn’t exist what “ force” made you write that post? Who?
You drink because you are thirsty, you experience a sensation that compels you to drink. I hardly think that qualifies as a choice. Just because it seems like we're choosing to do things, doesn't mean we actually are.
The only way free will could exist would be through magic, free will itself is literally magical.
Explain then. Say for instance if everything is random, if you were to be robbed on your way to the store (Randomly or you were specifically targeted ) wouldn’t you have free choice of actions? Run, fight back, surrender and valuables etc.
The guiding force of the material universe, the same force that makes the moon rotate around the Earth and makes the trees stretch towards the sun.
I can choose not to drink, it's called dry fasting.
I can even choose to commit suicide by not drinking.
The reason why one would "decide" to run instead of fight or vice versa is based in their previous experiences, their thoughts and memories, thus causality. A true choice wouldn't be dependent on past circumstances.
Totally missing the point. What would compel you to choose not to drink? A thought. Where did that thought come from?
It’s a choice you choose to make .If your thirsty, than why not chose to not drink?Or you choose to drink?Humans have basic primal instincts that have been ingrained in them for centuries. Your hungry you eat, or choose not to and starve either way you make a conscious choice. This is a grey area of which people have various definitions on what “free-will” even is.
My personality/thoughts of the present/ mainly genetics and environment.
Can you chose your next thought ? How ? Based on what ? How can that be even doable since that thought would depend on other factors you didn't chose, to chose a thought you'd have to think first, and this first thought can't be chose by definition since it would be the initial one that gave you the impression of chosing.
OP's post is some religion shit I've seen in Islam. I was agreeing with you though
Free will is a cope.
“My personality/thoughts of the present/ mainly genetics and environment.”
I’m going to dissect what you’ve said here.
-Your “personality” ,results of parental and environmental influences.You may agree or disagree that you can “chose” or not that you feel a certain way.In which you develop certain character traits .Your specific traits which you’ve either developed/ and learned over time or have been inherited.Emotions and how you perceive them is a ”choice”. You can look at it from a scientific stand point or a more basic moral one.Chemicals in the brain or some inter dimensional force that can control your thoughts and actions to a “T”.Or just your very on “Free will” . Thoughts that you are thinking right now. Are they thoughts that you are freely thinking? The PC/Phone or device your viewing this thread on, is it not free will that you are on it? Or there someone pointing a pistol to your head making u post?
Who wrote that comment if it’s cope? Did you not write it of your own free will. Or are you being held hostage?
We don't have the same definition of free-will.
You seem to imply that i'm saying i'm being forced by something exterior and that's why we don't have free-will.
I'm not, i'm saying "i" make decisions, but this "i" is nothing but an aggregation of thoughts/perceptions/memory etc that is caused at instant T by a combination of genetics/past environment and current environmen. So i don't see what the gun being pointed has to do with the question. What does freely thinking mean ? I've show how one can't chose the next thought, obviously you aren't forced by something exterior, that's not what i'm saying at all.
We can agree to disagree,I’d make a rebuttal but I’m not exerting any more energy into this topic. I’m done with this thread.
Low IQ.
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