Blackpill You might be far, far, far, more unlucky than you really think.

[Welcumtotherealworld]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#Emerging_scientific_basis

There's a chance that the universe will start contracting and eventually explode again. Your atoms would be in the exact same spot that they're in now after the big bang re-explodes. That means that you've already lived your life an infinite amount of times and you will continue to live this exact same life and infinite amount of times in the future. Even if you kill yourself it will have felt like nothing until you get reincarnated again.This is because your dead your atoms aren't in a state where they can conceive of the passage of time. All those quadrillions of years will have felt like absolutely nothing.


It's a cope to think that death will be our savior. It's blue pilled of us to believe that after all of our suffering. What made you think all of this suffering would end when you die. Has this universe thought you nothing?


This might be the biggest atomic black pill of all time. Death isn't your savior. You will be stuck in this shitty Incel body forever.

 

[starystulejarz]

 

[Ataris]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#Emerging_scientific_basis

There's a chance that the universe will start contracting and eventually explode again. Your atoms would be in the exact same spot that they're in now after the big bang re-explodes. That means that you've already lived your life an infinite amount of times and you will continue to live this exact same life and infinite amount of times in the future. Even if you kill yourself it will have felt like nothing until you get reincarnated again.This is because your dead your atoms aren't in a state where they can conceive of the passage of time. All those quadrillions of years will have felt like absolutely nothing.


It's a cope to think that death will be our savior. It's blue pilled of us to believe that after all of our suffering. What made you think all of this suffering would end when you die. Has this universe thought you nothing?


This might be the biggest atomic black pill of all time. Death isn't your savior. You will be stuck in this shitty Incel body forever.

But the more popular theory is that the universe will keep expanding faster and faster forever through nothingness, making space even more empty than it already is.

 

[Cuyen]

Great cope bro

 

[Luxity]

Existential crises are a cope

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

Well. There are worst life than mine ngl. I could relive mine easily tbh.

 

[jastro8]

this is interesting

 

[Deleted member 12256]

If that happens and i am aware of it, i would find a way to be an astronaut and launch myself into a blackhole. (the end) nothing not even time or gravity, escapes.

 

[Konon]

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Roman Reigns sucks

 

[tiredofthisshit]

better than eternal nothingness tbh. My childhood was good at least I'd like to live through it again

 

[Konon]

Anyways, would we be the exact same consciousness? Like, even if all the atoms are the same.. How could we, living today actually feel it? I don't remember shit from last time the big bang created me. This looks like a shroomed pseudoscience theory.

 

[UBERCEL]

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[TheIncelStaresBack]

The degree to which we aren't in control of our life now, or after, terrifies me.

 

[Mr. Ponzi]

Maximum IQ
I was and still am to a certain extent tortured by this theory. I think Nietzsche wrote about it first, 'the eternal return'.
The 'good' part (if there is such a thing) is that, in a way, in doesn't matter. So what if I suffered before? I exist, after all, only in the present moment.

 

[tomale]

pseudoscience ocus pocus.

 

[1980Revolver]

Well, if this is truly the case then one may scratch the "it's karma, bruh" rationale that has been my go-to response to life's charming reminder that because I drew the wrong card in the genetic lottery I have somehow earned the vitriol of the anthropomorphic vagina carrying-cases that actually rule this planet.

 

[SubhumanMonster]

Low iq. The theory doesn't state that the initial configuration before re-contraction will be the exact same, resulting in the exact same progression. You also implicitely assume determinism for which there are many arguments against.

 

[Hunter]

technically hell then

 

[FrustratedWhiteMale]

I knew about this for 40 years. Its called the oscillating Universe theory.

 

[Modus Coperandi]

big bang theory is just math porn for scientists. there is little evidence for it.
making a statement about something that is not verifiable/testable is usually not scientific anyway,
I will never understand why big bang theory is as accepted as it is.
same for all other theories about beginning and end of the universe. they are fantasies.

 

[jerrycan dan]

You were picking me up when you said the universe was going to explode in on itself, then you dropped me when you said I'll have to do this shit all over again after it happens. Well played.

 

[Inbuddhist]

And according to the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics, you are living an infinite number of different lifes, and you are a chad in a lot of them. So we can also say 'you may be far far fat far more luckier than you believe"

Also according to open individualism theory of personal identity, there is only person person living across different persona, so you are living and will experience the life of a chad.

 

[Anger]

real nigga shit

 

[Robtical]

Also according to open individualism theory of personal identity, there is only person person living across different persona, so you are living and will experience the life of a chad.

Does that mean if you relate to some people and animals you were them in past life times?

 

[gylo]

Lots of freshman level pseudophilosophy in this thread

 

[Inbuddhist]

Does that mean if you relate to some people and animals you were them in past life times?

Nop, open individualism doesnt imply anything surnatural or mystical or ability to contact other consciousness, it just says there is nothing special about your actual "me", you will live again and identify yourself as another "me" not as in reincarnation or survival of the past individual. You should google the topic because there waaay better explanations than i could give you here. All i can say is that open individualusm is compatible with naturalism, materialism and atheism. Its not some surnatural vaudouu shit that imply souls or allows you to contact other realms

 

[Hector Barbossa]

I think Nietzsche wrote about it first, 'the eternal return'.

As much as I think Nietzsche was based, I really hope he was wrong. I REALLY hope he was wrong on this. I'd rather not live this suffering for eternity, over and over again, that I can't change at all.

 

[Robtical]

Nop, open individualism doesnt imply anything surnatural or mystical or ability to contact other consciousness, it just says there is nothing special about your actual "me", you will live again and identify yourself as another "me" not as in reincarnation or survival of the past individual. You should google the topic because there waaay better explanations than i could give you here. All i can say is that open individualusm is compatible with naturalism, materialism and atheism. Its not some surnatural vaudouu shit that imply souls or allows you to contact other realms

I'll have to look more into this if it's based in science like you're saying.

 

[Inbuddhist]

I'll have to look more into this if it's based in science like you're saying.

Check this : https://www.naturalism.org/philosophy/death/death-nothingness-and-subjectivity

 

[Robtical]

Check this : https://www.naturalism.org/philosophy/death/death-nothingness-and-subjectivity

Thanks for the link

 

[Weston404]

Does that explain why several of my apartments while I was living in Toronto were haunted and had paranormal shit? The human body exists after death?!

 

[Vodaccenu]

What

 

[morgenthau]

It only keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[Villain]

Wowowowow

 

[Dregster]

Well. There are worst life than mine ngl. I could relive mine easily tbh.

Same, just let me comeback with some more memory so i can make more power play choices.

 

[Deleted member 13256]

I want off this ride.

 

[Mr. Ponzi]

according to the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics, you are living an infinite number of different lifes, and you are a chad in a lot of them

What would "you" mean in this case? A black consciousness? The "you" arises as an individuation, a subject reflecting an object though a continuous sequence it time, tied together by memories and all that. You could say that at a small scale it doesn't even exist, it's meant to reflect a continuity in space and time. So in this case "you" will not be a different person, by definition.
If you define it as a black consciousness however, then all that "we are all one" Buddhist rhetoric makes sense, but I think that is twisting semantics too much.

 

[Frottbott]

Anyways, would we be the exact same consciousness? Like, even if all the atoms are the same.. How could we, living today actually feel it? I don't remember shit from last time the big bang created me. This looks like a shroomed pseudoscience theory.

Maximum IQ
I was and still am to a certain extent tortured by this theory. I think Nietzsche wrote about it first, 'the eternal return'.
The 'good' part (if there is such a thing) is that, in a way, in doesn't matter. So what if I suffered before? I exist, after all, only in the present moment.

It's the Eternal Recurrance (ER, lol). The Big Bang as it's 'proven' today does not include inflating and contracting universes forever. Just one go so far, probably total entropy so no go ever again.

EVEN IF this had any truth to it, your cells would scatter to the winds after death and become food for other organisms, so it's not like they would all come back in the same place. One could argue that the universe repeats the same sequence over and over, but that's absurd as well.

 

[Deleted member 1039]

Death was never any of your saviors because your body is nothing but a vessel. Your soul is your true self and it never dies. It exist on another physical plane

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

better than eternal nothingness tbh. My childhood was good at least I'd like to live through it again

Why? You do realize that you won't experience this nothingness because you have no counciousness. Are you afraid of going to sleep aswell?

 

[Inbuddhist]

What would "you" mean in this case? A black consciousness? The "you" arises as an individuation, a subject reflecting an object though a continuous sequence it time, tied together by memories and all that. You could say that at a small scale it doesn't even exist, it's meant to reflect a continuity in space and time. So in this case "you" will not be a different person, by definition.
If you define it as a black consciousness however, then all that "we are all one" Buddhist rhetoric makes sense, but I think that is twisting semantics too much.

Memories don't matter that much, if all your memories are deleted and you wake up afresh, there will still be the feeling of "you" being "you", just lost and confused. But it won't be a moment when you will say "Fuck, i'm not me anymore"

Also, i recommand you read about Open Individualism. You'll see that the question of identity is not as simple and clear-cut as you think

Why? You do realize that you won't experience this nothingness because you have no counciousness. Are you afraid of going to sleep aswell?

Most people (even famous authors) are very low IQ about death, they think they are floating in some kind of oblivion or nothingness lol.

 

[Mr. Ponzi]

Memories don't matter that much, if all your memories are deleted and you wake up afresh, there will still be the feeling of "you" being "you", just lost and confused. But it won't be a moment when you will say "Fuck, i'm not me anymore"

Also, i recommand you read about Open Individualism. You'll see that the question of identity is not as simple and clear-cut as you think

I don't know why you assumed I am not familiar with this topic. I think this is the kind of topic one should think a lot for himself, because many of the people who have written about this topic have a personal agenda, usually of moral relativism, wishful thinking and mystical weirdness.
You say that if you erase my memory then I'm still me. But am I? Wouldn't this make the case that 2 identical twins are actually one and the same person? What differentiates them? A continuity in time and space and their memories. If you could somehow switch their memories, won't you say that now they switched identities as well?
We either look at this on a micro level, where there is no "you", all is one, etc, but then we fall into a semantics hell and also it has no practical significance.
Or we look at it on a macro level, for which these words were actually invented "you", "me" etc, to differentiate a self-aware body continous in time and space, with memories and all that. Pushing this to corner case scenarios like "but what if I remove some part of your brain" or "are you still the <<you>> you were 10 years ago etc" is pointless and it doesn't prove anything on a practical level, except that it sheds some light on the nature of the chemical process. As I mentioned before, I've see this topic exploited by moral relativists to justify weird stuff or by mystical weirdos and I think it's important that one thinks rigurously this for himself about this topic.
You say that one can be a Chad in a different life. How so? If memories and body don't matter, why am I not Chad right now as well? Why I am not 2 different people at the same time? You might answer with the Buddist answer that we actually are, that we are all one etc, that the "I" is an illusion etc. But that doesn't mean anything in practical terms. We invented "I" to reflect the common intuition everybody has about a person. If I come to you and present myself as Napoleon, you would call me insane.
I agree with you that if I lose all memories I would still be to a certain degree "me", but only to a certain degree. And the fact that I opened the door to a "degree" of identity doesn't mean that I can open the door to the "I can be Chad in a 100 years", because there the degree has fallen to 0. Not the same body, no common memories, nothing.

I agree this is a complex topic and quite a fascinating one. But the way I see it, the fact that we use the same semantics for low-level chemical reactions is what causes dizziness at a practical level. And these words were invented for practical reasons. Living in the moment, being one, detached, whatever, might be a Buddhist dream, but I am stuck here in reality with a body full of needs, memories of the past, worries about the future, knowledge I gathered, habits, fears, etc. They are all part of me. Hell, they *are* me.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

Time is a flat circle

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

Death was never any of your saviors because your body is nothing but a vessel. Your soul is your true self and it never dies. It exist on another physical plane

Cope.

Maximum IQ
I was and still am to a certain extent tortured by this theory. I think Nietzsche wrote about it first, 'the eternal return'.
The 'good' part (if there is such a thing) is that, in a way, in doesn't matter. So what if I suffered before? I exist, after all, only in the present moment.

As much as I think Nietzsche was based, I really hope he was wrong. I REALLY hope he was wrong on this. I'd rather not live this suffering for eternity, over and over again, that I can't change at all.

The theory of the Eternal Return of Nietzsche was more prosaic than that. I think that what he meant is that to live a good life, you must be able to project yourself living forever the life you're living currently. Some people also use the concept to describe the evolution of worldly "eternal entities" such as nations. Nietzsche wasn't a mystical, and he merely borrowed the aesthetic of sacred texts as a mockery towards religions.

Actually I kinda disagree with the idea that a good life is a life you could live forever if given the chance, because even if I could actually project myself living my current life "forever", I don't think I'm particularly happy or living a "good" life. My life is grey and boring. Boredom is a luxury in a sense, not everyone had the "chance" to feel it during the previous centuries. But a life of boredom is not an "overman" life in the strictest sense of the word.

 

[Inbuddhist]

I don't know why you assumed I am not familiar with this topic. I think this is the kind of topic one should think a lot for himself, because many of the people who have written about this topic have a personal agenda, usually of moral relativism, wishful thinking and mystical weirdness.
You say that if you erase my memory then I'm still me. But am I? Wouldn't this make the case that 2 identical twins are actually one and the same person? What differentiates them? A continuity in time and space and their memories. If you could somehow switch their memories, won't you say that now they switched identities as well?
We either look at this on a micro level, where there is no "you", all is one, etc, but then we fall into a semantics hell and also it has no practical significance.
Or we look at it on a macro level, for which these words were actually invented "you", "me" etc, to differentiate a self-aware body continous in time and space, with memories and all that. Pushing this to corner case scenarios like "but what if I remove some part of your brain" or "are you still the <<you>> you were 10 years ago etc" is pointless and it doesn't prove anything on a practical level, except that it sheds some light on the nature of the chemical process. As I mentioned before, I've see this topic exploited by moral relativists to justify weird stuff or by mystical weirdos and I think it's important that one thinks rigurously this for himself about this topic.
You say that one can be a Chad in a different life. How so? If memories and body don't matter, why am I not Chad right now as well? Why I am not 2 different people at the same time? You might answer with the Buddist answer that we actually are, that we are all one etc, that the "I" is an illusion etc. But that doesn't mean anything in practical terms. We invented "I" to reflect the common intuition everybody has about a person. If I come to you and present myself as Napoleon, you would call me insane.
I agree with you that if I lose all memories I would still be to a certain degree "me", but only to a certain degree. And the fact that I opened the door to a "degree" of identity doesn't mean that I can open the door to the "I can be Chad in a 100 years", because there the degree has fallen to 0. Not the same body, no common memories, nothing.

I agree this is a complex topic and quite a fascinating one. But the way I see it, the fact that we use the same semantics for low-level chemical reactions is what causes dizziness at a practical level. And these words were invented for practical reasons. Living in the moment, being one, detached, whatever, might be a Buddhist dream, but I am stuck here in reality with a body full of needs, memories of the past, worries about the future, knowledge I gathered, habits, fears, etc. They are all part of me. Hell, they *are* me.

You absolutely made 0 research about the topic if you think it has any relatioship or could be relevant in any shape or form to any political side or idea, especially the one you cited.

Also, your other question "but am i ? " proves you are not familiar with OI. OI isn't about the individual, the question "am i (individual) still me (the same individual)" doesn't matter to OI, what matters is that there would still be a feeling of immediacy, of isness, of being there, the "you"who wake up won't ever say "wait, that's not me anymore" again i'm sick of explaining the basis of the subject again and again, i'm prepared to debate with people who grasped at least the basics, you clearly shown hear you didn't by conflating the individual with the "isness", immediacy, subjective feeling that is the concern of OI. It's not concerned with the question "am i the i individual that i was 5 years ago" that's not even relevant to OI. What matters is that across all this time there was always an uninterrupted flux of feeling of "i" that doesn't change as memory/experience/temperament changes and evolves, it was there when you were 7 years old, it would still be there when you are 50.

 

[The Abyss]

But the more popular theory is that the universe will keep expanding faster and faster forever through nothingness, making space even more empty than it already is.

Over time the space between the average person's ears is certainly becoming emptier.

 

[Mr. Ponzi]

Actually I kinda disagree with the idea that a good life is a life you could live forever if given the chance

I agree. Any life is a mistake, because the "best" scenario is, ironically, boredom.

 

[armis]

This is just a cope for Chads with great lives: they don't want to lose it all.

 

[Figthcel]

Almost pissed myself laughing at our eternal misery

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

What a fucking cope lol when you die you enter eternal oblivion and im glad, fuck this existence