Blackpill "You haven't tried enough" is not an argument against incels

[Fontaine]

For some strange reason, psychologists and sociologists don't insist on hearing about every single racist incident in the world before concluding that racism is real and people can suffer from it, but they do insist on hearing that their ugly male patient has approached every single woman in the world on all continents, and has done hundreds of thousands of man-hours of "therapy" and "social skills learning", until admitting that their ugly male patient is indeed victim of looks-based discrimination in dating or is too ugly to date.

This, my friends, is called parti-pris, preconceived view, asking for impossible proofs.

The reality is that absolutely no rational agent in the world tries out every single possibility when choosing a course of action. Humans usually use a mix of heuristics and bayesian inference to determine the best course of action and the best reward/effort ratio.

If someone doesn't approach girls, doesn't ask out girls: there are two possibilities. He could exaggerate his ugliness (mentalcel). But he may also be completely right that the reward/effort ratio for these endeavors, based on his previous experiences and a set of other learned data, is likely to be 0 or something approaching. In that case, he's right to refuse to humiliate and traumatize himself unnecessarily.

 

[Mainländer]

High IQ post.

I'd say if you never approached or tried AT ALL, you'd better be really ugly to consider yourself incel.

If you're like 4/10 or better and never approached you can't really know. Well, you can know that you're below the "being approached" threshold, but ~90% of men are, even some gl ones.

But of course, you don't have to do like the Chinese guy and approach 80k foids to know you're incel, just a couple of hundreds of tries is more than enough (if you also calibrate the environment, picking women off the streets is super hard for example, in some kind of event with flirting being socially acceptable or even expected it's easier).

 

[Deleted member 10124]

For some strange reason, psychologists and sociologists don't insist on hearing about every single racist incident in the world before concluding that racism is real and people can suffer from it, but they do insist on hearing that their ugly male patient has approached every single woman in the world on all continents, and has done hundreds of thousands of man-hours of "therapy" and "social skills learning", until admitting that their ugly male patient is indeed victim of looks-based discrimination in dating or is too ugly to date.

This, my friends, is called parti-pris, preconceived view, asking for impossible proofs.

The reality is that absolutely no rational agent in the world tries out every single possibility when choosing a course of action. Humans usually use a mix of heuristics and bayesian inference to determine the best course of action and the best reward/effort ratio.

If someone doesn't approach girls, doesn't ask out girls: there are two possibilities. He could exaggerate his ugliness (mentalcel). But he may also be completely right that the reward/effort ratio for these endeavors, based on his previous experiences and a set of other learned data, is likely to be 0 or something approaching. In that case, he's right to refuse to humiliate and traumatize himself unnecessarily.

Thanks for the lingo mate. Much appreciated.

High IQ post.

I'd say if you never approached or tried AT ALL, you'd better be really ugly to consider yourself incel.

If you're like 4/10 or better and never approached you can't really know. Well, you can know that you're below the "being approached" threshold, but ~90% of men are, even some gl ones.

But of course, you don't have to do like the Chinese guy and approach 80k foids to know you're incel, just a couple of hundreds of tries is more than enough (if you also calibrate the environment, picking women off the streets is super hard for example, in some kind of event with flirting being socially acceptable or even expected it's easier).

 

[Chadani]

my normie friend was like "to be fair you havent really put yourself out there" im like nigga just look at my face lol

 

[KFT]

"just get a shower and be yourself"

 

[Deleted member 1252]

High IQ

The reality is that if not foid has ever approached you, or at least clearly indicated interest in you, by the age of 20, then you’re definitely ugly (sub-5). Once you’ve reached that point, putting further effort in is unlikely to result in success, and it is natural for a human to throw in the towel when the odds are so low. It would be like buying hundreds of scratch cards in a row, convinced that eventually you’ll win 100k. Pattern recognition (intuition) is the basis of human intelligence. You’d have to be fucking stupid to continue playing a game which is so heavily rigged against you and for which the reward is so low.

Learning animal behaviour helps one understand this too. When predators try to chase an animal faster than them, they give up after a few attempts and learn that chasing what you can’t catch is not just a pointless endeavour, but actually lands you in negative equity because you’ve wasted time and energy that you could have spent on something else.

 

[Fontaine]

High IQ

The reality is that if not foid has ever approached you, or at least clearly indicated interest in you, by the age of 20, then you’re definitely ugly (sub-5). Once you’ve reached that point, putting further effort in is unlikely to result in success, and it is natural for a human to throw in the towel when the odds are so low. It would be like buying hundreds of scratch cards in a row, convinced that eventually you’ll win 100k. Pattern recognition (intuition) is the basis of human intelligence. You’d have to be fucking stupid to continue playing a game which is so heavily rigged against you and for which the reward is so low.

Learning animal behaviour helps one understand this too. When predators try to chase an animal faster than them, they give up after a few attempts and learn that chasing what you can’t catch is not just a pointless endeavour, but actually lands you in negative equity because you’ve wasted time and energy that you could have spent on something else.

Nicely summed up.

And that's why most forms of therapy in the West nowadays are ineffective, useless, demeaning and dangerous. Denying reality is always the shortest way to a Darwin award.