Blackpill You Aren't Entitled To Sex, Dates and Romance Is Correct

[universallyabhorred]

Within the scope of sex and romance the currency required to genuinely attain it is looks which is face+height. If your SMV is greater than the object of your desire you have the right to sex and dates with her or a foid shows romantic/sexual interest in you, you are entitled to sex, dates and romance with her. Since she has already desired you or you are genetically superior to her, you are allowed to do whatever you desire sexually and romantically with her.

The problem lies when the genetically inferior believe that they have a right to sex and romance with females . Whether this facial inferiority was attained due to genetics, environment or both is irrelevent. Essentially it doesn't matter whether you were good looking or normie tier as a kid or adolescent and if foids showed interest in you, the moment your face turned hideously ugly it became over for you. Some people will claim that even if you are sub4 you have the right to take other sub4 females uglier than you by force, this is essentially incorrect because male and foid SMV are not equal. Women receive a 2-4 point SMV boost and this is the nature of the sexual marketplace, the rules must be accepted based upon the context.

People who try to cheat the system by going for forced arranged marriages or paying for sex should indeed be punished and discouraged. Not only is it an absolute injustice to those who have accepted their sexual repulsiveness and given up as they should, but it will never lead to true happiness or fufillment for the party nor is it just for the foid who's essentially coerced into taking it.

The main issue of course is the discrimination and persecution that unattractive people face outside of the area of sex and romance. There should be absolutely no element of lookism in jobs, socialization outside of dating, basic human interaction nor should the unattractive be villainized solely for their lack of looks. This is the element of society that can and should be changed. My belief is that it's impossible for purely platonic relationships to occur between men and women, for this reason men and women are allowed to avoid intimate singular social interaction with unattractive people of the opposite sex if they desire, as this could lead to forced physical and romantic contact. However, they should still be required to treat each other with civility, be friendly in a professional atmosphere, avoid pushing unattractive people out of same-sex social groups and villianizing them.

People need to be forcibly made aware of their lookism and this prejudice and discrimination to be socially unacceptable. This will greatly reduce the amount of stress of existing with an unattractive face.

@TheGrayWolf @PLA1092 @Simulacrasimulation @wereq @The Enforcer thoughts?

 

[Sans]

Foids aren’t entitled to my respect.

 

[moroccancel3]

Water is wet.

 

[moroccancel3]

Foids aren’t entitled to my respect.

 

[universallyabhorred]

Water is wet.

gtfo worthless thread polluter

 

[moroccancel3]

gtfo worthless thread polluter

You are just saying the obvious. Normies can get landwhales and ugly toilets; HTN can opt for an average foid; chads can get everything, everywhere. We incels should not ascend anyway or not ascending having kids.

 

[universallyabhorred]

You are just saying the obvious. Normies can get landwhales and ugly toilets; HTN can opt for an average foid; chads can get everything, everywhere.

That's not what I am saying at all. It's obvious you didn't read my thread or you have very poor reading comprehension.

 

[moroccancel3]

That's not what I am saying at all. It's obvious you didn't read my thread or you have very poor reading comprehension.

Basicly that's what you saying + giving some ideology on the background.

 

[gangrenemax]

Within the scope of sex and romance the currency required to genuinely attain it is looks which is face+height. If your SMV is greater than the object of your desire you have the right to sex and dates with her or a foid shows romantic/sexual interest in you, you are entitled to sex, dates and romance with her. Since she has already desired you or you are genetically superior to her, you are allowed to do whatever you desire sexually and romantically with her.

The problem lies when the genetically inferior believe that they have a right to sex and romance with females . Whether this facial inferiority was attained due to genetics, environment or both is irrelevent. Essentially it doesn't matter whether you were good looking or normie tier as a kid or adolescent and if foids showed interest in you, the moment your face turned hideously ugly it became over for you. Some people will claim that even if you are sub4 you have the right to take other sub4 females uglier than you by force, this is essentially incorrect because male and foid SMV are not equal. Women receive a 2-4 point SMV boost and this is the nature of the sexual marketplace, the rules must be accepted based upon the context.

People who try to cheat the system by going for forced arranged marriages or paying for sex should indeed be punished and discouraged. Not only is it an absolute injustice to those who have accepted their sexual repulsiveness and given up as they should, but it will never lead to true happiness or fufillment for the party nor is it just for the foid who's essentially coerced into taking it.

The main issue of course is the discrimination and persecution that unattractive people face outside of the area of sex and romance which is necessary to avoid bad genes from being passed on. There should be absolutely no element of lookism in jobs, socialization outside of dating, basic human interaction nor should the unattractive be villainized solely for their lack of looks. This is the element of society that can and should be changed. My belief is that it's impossible for purely platonic relationships to occur between men and women, for this reason men and women are allowed to avoid intimate singular social interaction with unattractive people of the opposite sex if they desire. However, they should still be required to treat each other with civility, be friendly in a professional atmosphere, avoid pushing unattractive people out of same-sex social groups and villianizing them or treating people poorly due to their looks.

People need to be forcibly made aware of their lookism and this prejudice and discrimination to be socially unacceptable. This will greatly reduce the amount of stress of existing with an unattractive face.

@TheGrayWolf @PLA1092 @Simulacrasimulation @wereq @The Enforcer thoughts?

lookism is worse than racism although the two are quite congruent irl

 

[universallyabhorred]

Basicly that's what you saying + giving some ideology on the background.

Not giving ideology basically creating a modified framework on how society should function. I am not complaining about unattractive people being unable to date and have sex, I fully support unattractive people being forced to be celibate for their entire lives.

 

[Postmaxxercel50k]

Foids aren’t entitled to my respect.

 

[nohope.]

no one is entitled to anything

 

[PLA1092]

Who cares if the foid is coerced into taking it, if the subhuman in question has the power and is fine with it?

And their standards aren't natural at all; the average sub 5 today could probably get a foid attracted to him in the 1800s, it's not beneficial at all for such increasing standards where a large percentage of the population quickly basically become untouchable.

They're not genetically inferior simply off of their face alone, it's foids that are the problem; we shouldn't really be saying it's perfectly fine for us to basically be bred out and entirely rejected, sub 5s will continue to exist by genetic recombination.

 

[TheGrayWolf]

First read through, I agree. Will reply soon on my computer

 

[DenHaag]

This:

“The main issue of course is the discrimination and persecution that unattractive people face outside of the area of sex and romance.”

Everybody is entitled to be evaluated in their work for their competence in that work.

 

[universallyabhorred]

Who cares if the foid is coerced into taking it, if the subhuman in question has the power and is fine with it?

This is immoral and unempathetic and is the main reason why lookism cannot be successfully fought with the incel movement since we are regarded as evil and misogynistic due to not caring about female desires and regarding them as subhuman. Women will claim that we are a threat and our desire is to rape and subjugate them and we are merely using lookism as a ruse. The fact is foid standards cannot and will not be changed, our best bet is to avoid poor treatment and discrimination, so we can lead a decent quality of life as a sub5 incel.

And their standards aren't natural at all; the average sub 5 today could probably get a foid attracted to him in the 1800s, it's not beneficial at all for such increasing standards where a large percentage of the population quickly basically become untouchable.

I don't believe a foid can be attracted to a sub5 male, except in rare cases of nichemaxxing or a tall LTN. The way it operated in those days were forced marriages which is immoral and at the same time there were a large portion of dead bedrooms or marital rape.

They're not genetically inferior simply off of their face alone, it's foids that are the problem; we shouldn't really be saying it's perfectly fine for us to basically be bred out and entirely rejected, sub 5s will continue to exist by genetic recombination.

We are sexually and romantically inferior because of our face/ height, we can have other positive qualities but they mean nothing in relation to SMV. This is why we should be granted a regular quality of life free from discrimination and prejudice. Women treat us poorly because of our low SMV, we need to convince women and society that we don't deserve sex or romance and can live completely fine without it, but we are negatively impacted socially and professionally due to their prejudice and discrimination which is unacceptable.

 

[PLA1092]

This is immoral and unempathetic and is the main reason why lookism cannot be successfully fought with the incel movement since we are regarded as evil and misogynistic due to not caring about female desires and regarding them as subhuman. Women will claim that we are a threat and our desire is to rape and subjugate them and we are merely using lookism as a ruse. The fact is foid standards cannot and will not be changed, our best bet is to avoid poor treatment and discrimination, so we can lead a decent quality of life as a sub5 incel.

I don't believe a foid can be attracted to a sub5 male, except in rare cases of nichemaxxing or a tall LTN. The way it operated in those days were forced marriages which is immoral and at the same time there were a large portion of dead bedrooms or marital rape.


We are sexually and romantically inferior because of our face, we can have other positive qualities but they mean nothing in relation to SMV. This is why we should be granted a regular quality of life free from discrimination and prejudice. Women treat us poorly because of our low SMV, we need to convince women and society that we don't deserve sex or romance and can live completely fine without it, but we are negatively impacted socially and professionally due to their prejudice and discrimination which is unacceptable.

The average sub 5 isn't horribly deformed, so there's no way they can't be attracted at all; you're basically assuming that their current extremely high standards and ability to partake in degenerate hypergamy doesn't influence who they're attracted to that much, and simply allowing subhumans to waste away with no relationships due to that isn't a good thing at all...

Part of the reason lookism exists is due to foids and their liberation now leading to high standards and entire identity focused on getting the best male they can; subhumans, leading to the inherent disgust they have for sub 5s now; it'll only skyrocket to even normies being affected if it isn't controlled by men.

 

[PLA1092]

@jerkjocky

 

[jerkjocky]

@jerkjocky

Another self-hating faggot cuckold. I cant imagine being so fucking mentally brittle that you actually internalize and live with an inferiority complex. Its fucking pathetic and cucked and OP and all the other self-hating faggots should be shot

 

[universallyabhorred]

The average sub 5 isn't horribly deformed, so there's no way they can't be attracted at all; you're basically assuming that their current extremely high standards and ability to partake in degenerate hypergamy doesn't influence who they're attracted to that much, and simply allowing subhumans to waste away with no relationships due to that isn't a good thing at all...

Part of the reason lookism exists is due to foids and their liberation now leading to high standards and entire identity focused on getting the best male they can; subhumans, leading to the inherent disgust they have for sub 5s now; it'll only skyrocket to even normies being affected if it isn't controlled by men.

The average sub5 is below average, they cannot be attracted to a face which is below average, except for rare circumstances, because women look for good genetic quality through facial aesthetics. It has a small influence no doubt but anyone below LTN would have never been sexually attractive to a woman. For LTN's the percentage of them attractive to a woman would have increased significantly but not to the vast majority.

Lookism is innate and biological even uninfluenced babies prefer to stare at more attractive faces. While hypergamy will eventually affect 5+ males and the quality of females they can get, they will never be reduced to becoming truly incel. Reducing hypergamy will never male women attracted to sub4 men and the vast majority of LTNS will not be attractive.

 

[PLA1092]

The average sub5 is below average, they cannot be attracted to a face which is below average, except for rare circumstances, because women look for good genetic quality through facial aesthetics. It has a small influence no doubt but anyone below LTN would have never been sexually attractive to a woman. For LTN's the percentage of them attractive to a woman would have increased significantly but not to the vast majority.

Lookism is innate and biological even uninfluenced babies prefer to stare at more attractive faces. While hypergamy will eventually affect 5+ males and the quality of females they can get, they will never be reduced to becoming truly incel. Reducing hypergamy will never male women attracted to sub4 men and the vast majority of LTNS will not be attractive.

Preferring attractive faces doesn't equal not wanting unattractive faces at all, though; most will be fine with LTNs in an ideal society, and good genetic quality isn't only found through the face; it's below average, but foids would be content with it as long as their living situation was fine if hypergamy and foid standards weren't so high that even sub 5 landwhales get normies.

 

[Diddy]

Just because we're subhuman doesn't mean we not allowed to be entitled to sex. It's a basic human need, so we need to somehow get it, even it means paying a whore. As for dating, why would you want to do that in this day of age?

 

[universallyabhorred]

Preferring attractive faces doesn't equal not wanting unattractive faces at all, though; most will be fine with LTNs in an ideal society, and good genetic quality isn't only found through the face; it's below average, but foids would be content with it as long as their living situation was fine if hypergamy and foid standards weren't so high that even sub 5 landwhales get normies.

LTN'S already get women, I already conceded the proportion of LTN'S getting women would increase, but women wouldn't want most LTN'S they would only accept them if they have no other choice. So you are admitting sub4s are still undesirable to women? It seems foid standards won't change significantly due to reducing hypergamy, though there will obviously be a reduction in incels if foids are coerced into marrying them young.

 

[PLA1092]

LTN'S already get women, I already conceded the proportion of LTN'S getting women would increase, but women wouldn't want most LTN'S they would only accept them if they have no other choice. So you are admitting sub4s are still undesirable to women? It seems foid standards won't change significantly due to reducing hypergamy, though there will obviously be a reduction in incels if foids are coerced into marrying them young.

LTNs only get to betabuxx landwhales, right now; and even sub 4s could ascend due to what I said above, their looksmatches are currently still vying for Chad.

 

[Gatz Delirium]

Very well thought ought post. I've always felt the same way. The truth is we really aren't entitled to sex or romance. If women don't find us attractive that's their right. But the one thing we do have the right to demand is fair treatment regardless of how we were born. People don't have the right to harass, bully, ostracize us, or make false claims against us simply because an unattractive guy had the nerve to approach a female. This is really one of those things that you have to step out of your blackpill rage phase to accept. I still hate toilets though.

 

[kek1]

The point is that logic is not a correct solution since moral values are meant to be subjective

 

[kek1]

People with good looks deliberately discriminate against people with bad looks, knowingly and with the full understanding that it is morally wrong, they make this choice willingly.

 

[vidyacel]

Another self-hating faggot cuckold. I cant imagine being so fucking mentally brittle that you actually internalize and live with an inferiority complex. Its fucking pathetic and cucked and OP and all the other self-hating faggots should be shot

It´s an indian thing jfl
They lower the room IQ temperature every time.

 

[universallyabhorred]

People with good looks deliberately discriminate against people with bad looks, knowingly and with the full understanding that it is morally wrong, they make this choice willingly.

That's something which needs to change. But it's wrong to force or coerce anyone to date someone who they aren't attracted to.

 

[buried_alive]

This thread is self-loathing and victim-blaming. You base it thread in the SMV difference between man and woman, but this is a false assumption. Today women's perception of their own SMV is extremely and artificially inflated. Or even better: they don't care about their own SMV and only want chad, because society encourages them too. So we are not really genetically inferior, or at least not enough that we shouldn't be able to get with women.

They're not genetically inferior simply off of their face alone, it's foids that are the problem; we shouldn't really be saying it's perfectly fine for us to basically be bred out and entirely rejected, sub 5s will continue to exist by genetic recombination.

Based. Also it's foids who pass weaker genes. They face no reproductive pressure.

 

[Asgard]

But it's wrong to force or coerce anyone to date someone who they aren't attracted to.

Arranged marriages, for example.

 

[kek1]

That's something which needs to change. But it's wrong to force or coerce anyone to date someone who they aren't attracted to.

Yeah the whole thing about sexual market value is that market forces ultimately determine fundamental truth. Even though a patriarchy where virgin girls are assigned monogamously to low SMV men benefits low SMV men, in a free sexual market low SMV men remain incels when foids get to choose the value. But what happens in the real world is a brutal perversion of this dynamic instead, and the normies use extreme discrimination to create a twisted sexual market where incels aren't just incels but hunted down and ostracized brutally. This also extends to racism, where the discriminated races are treated like trash by society so that foids won't fuck them since this means having sex with the shit race will lead to their child suffering from this made-up intense discrimination. This means that even a volcel who doesn't care about sex would still be forced to have extreme anti-normie strategies just to survive the extreme anti-incel environment, just to get by in daily life. And it is similar to how discriminated races have to put in 10x the effort to get the same success in life.

When incels performed acts of violence they were hoping that this dynamic would be fixed, that normies would learn that there was a price to pay for excessively bullying incels and therefore accept the free market equilibrium instead of pursuing extreme discrimination. The intention of the incels was for the non-incels to repent for their excessive transgression and bullying. But the normies and foids basically chose to reject the peace by demonizing incels further. By this action, they had innately declared war against incels. But this doesn't really mean anything bad, it just morally justifies incels to take power over society and the sexual market by forcing foids to date them. It may seem paradoxical but basically by the non-incels making the choice to unnecessarily discriminate against incels (in every way possible) it justified incels to unnecessarily discriminate against non-incels (in every way possible).

Technically it is possible for incels to take total power over society and establish the free sexual market by letting foids fuck chads and leave incels sexless, while punishing the foids chads and normies brutally if they bully an incel outside of the sexual marketplace such as in the workplace. But of course this is not natural. Having incels in power over society at the very least means incels get sex. In the past sexual markets were more incel-friendly since the incel brought a lot of value just by working. The more natural solution would be for incels to control the sexual market. in history sexual markets were controlled by forcing foids to not date people other than their husband instead of directly forcing them to date incels. It turned out really well historically because it allowed elements of the free sexual market to kick in, such as having the most attractive males partner the most attractive females (instead of forcing specific females to date specific incels) while having low numbers of sexless males.

If a world where normies and foids have power over incels means incels are not only sexless but brutally discriminated against, then it actually makes sense to make the normies go sexless while incels get all the sex, flipping their SMVs. The paradox is if normies aggressively perform acts of war (discriminating incels to death unnecessarily) when incels push for peace then that by itself means incels have to take reign of the normies. The appropriate punishment for forcing incels to take power over society would of course be for normies to be sexless. When they were given the privilege of sex they abused it by unnecessarily discriminating against incels, and they had the choice to just not screw incels over brutally yet still chose to do so; by making the bad choice they forfeited their privilege of sexual reproduction.

As much as the idea of 'being the bigger man' and allowing normies to get sex even when the incel is in power seems 'morally appealing' I do not think it is logical because the whole point of truce and alliance in war is to gain a mutual benefit, if the normies forced incels to take total power in the first place by denying the possibility of truce and alliance then they forfeited their moral ground completely to the incels and incels actually become morally justified to become tyrants.

 

[MentallyCelibate]

cuck faggot. i dont care what females want i want my dick wet. women are not people.

 

[Mrugly420]

cuck faggot. i dont care what females want i want my dick wet. women are not people.