Would you date a single mother given the chance?

[Alone75]

I'm not sure, on one hand I don't want to be used as a cuck and beta-provider and have the added baggage and drama of her kid, ex-chad and family being around. But I would no longer be incel as such, I'd be in a relationship, hopefully be having sex and spending time together doing things instead of at home alone as usual.

I did have some interest online dating one time, as I liked everyone back and one was an obese 49 year old mother of 3. I felt little motivation to progress things though [in b4 gtfo volcel] but I added her to my messenger and it was obvious she was looking for some desperate lonely beta-provider. She cooled immediately when I mentioned I had a minimum wage job lol. It's so depressing, that is as good as it is ever likely to be if I improve my prospects somehow.

 

[22yearoldcel]

i don't care if she's younger

 

[NikRebi]

I dont eat leftovers

 

[belowhumanity]

how are incels actually saying no to this? if its all i can get im gonna take it

 

[NikRebi]

how are incels actually saying no to this? if its all i can get im gonna take it

Let me tell ya how it would go. This single mother foid fucked some attractive Chad or Tyrone (if he wasnt attractive she wouldnt have fucked him nor would he leave) and now you as her new nigga you gotta compete with this Chad who will def comeback to cuck you.
You cant win.

 

[GhostedPhantom]

how are incels actually saying no to this? if its all i can get im gonna take it

If you're starving, would you eat food that is clearly rotten? Maybe you would out of instinct, but still, you'll piss your guts out through your ass so you'll end up both starving and on top of that dying of food poisoning.

 

[nice_try]

how are incels actually saying no to this? if its all i can get im gonna take it

I want to have a gf, not raise someone elses child, is it so difficult to understand?

 

[Deleted member 14218]

id fuck one but not date

 

[KetamineAddictYoda]

If you're starving, would you eat food that is clearly rotten? Maybe you would out of instinct, but still, you'll piss your guts out through your ass so you'll end up both starving and on top of that dying of food poisoning.

 

[Rambocel]

Single moms are a plague that should be rounded up and put in camps and then fed to lions when they inevitably do no work

 

[Deleted member 35245]

cucks.is

 

[kaczynskicel]

If she doesnt have a fertile and unmolested jewish womb then its gonna be a no from me

 

[NikRebi]

Except leftover pizza ngl, pizza from the evening before always tastes great

You dont live in sandland. Sandland pizza is literally toxic after 3 hours of being cooked

 

[Deleted member 38579]

just invest time and money for roastie flaps of a toilet that made shit decisions in her life theory.

 

[JustinSane]

Its volcel if you wouldn't BUT at the same time, single mothers are the bad boy chasing type of girls who dont know what they want in a man. Their personality detectors were knowingly flawed and embraced everything based on poor instinct. Irreversible damaged goods. You setting yourself up to get cucked once she gets bored of your nice guy personalty. Then she sends you off to do errands such as taking her child to the movies or fast food place while she stays at home and skype with Chad. Then she asks for some money so that she can go hand out with her friends to go to some bachelor party or some sports bar. Soon, she will get tired of sex and talk to you like you are a child.

Avoid single mothers.

 

[starcrapoo]

Its volcel if you wouldn't BUT at the same time, single mothers are the bad boy chasing type of girls who dont know what they want in a man. Their personality detectors were knowingly flawed and embraced everything based on poor instinct. Irreversible damaged goods. You setting yourself up to get cucked once she gets bored of your nice guy personalty. Then she sends you off to do errands such as taking her child to the movies or fast food place while she stays at home and skype with Chad. Then she asks for some money so that she can go hand out with her friends to go to some bachelor party or some sports bar. Soon, she will get tired of sex and talk to you like you are a child.

Avoid single mothers.

This. They know exactly what they are doing. As a matter of fact, you should take it as an insult if a single mother hits on you and or takes interest in you as a future prospect. Thats her way of saying to you, "I think you're a nice guy, a beta male loser essentially. I'm willing to offer my pussy for you if you give me money, provide for my kids, and help me assist in raising them, also, I will occasionally cheat on you on my free time getting quick sex from the male companions that I know, that or leave you once the kids are old enough".

Good post.

 

[Deleted member 39098]

I would only date a single mother if she had a very young daughter

 

[Emba]

I dont eat leftovers

Ban this volcel!

I eat garbage

 

[lemon21]

And this is why this place is filled to the brim with fakecels, first of all they asume they will "raise a child" when you said "date" so they dont consider the posibility of just having a good time and sex. they just say no, i've got so many options that im gonna pass cuz i dont want used goods.

Like really, you dont get to choose. and if you decide to "choose" then you're a volcel fakecel.

 

[Alone75]

And this is why this place is filled to the brim with fakecels, first of all they asume they will "raise a child" when you said "date" so they dont consider the posibility of just having a good time and sex. they just say no, i've got so many options that im gonna pass cuz i dont want used goods.

Like really, you dont get to choose. and if you decide to "choose" then you're a volcel fakecel.

Yes, rejecting even before being given the opportunity may come back to bite them.

 

[NikRebi]

Ban this volcel!

I eat garbage

Let me tell ya how it would go. This single mother foid fucked some attractive Chad or Tyrone (if he wasnt attractive she wouldnt have fucked him nor would he leave) and now you as her new nigga you gotta compete with this Chad who will def comeback to cuck you.
You cant win.

 

[Antisocialloner]

No. Imagine being the ugly incel step-dad to some other fags child.

 

[IncelWithHate]

And this is why this place is filled to the brim with fakecels, first of all they asume they will "raise a child" when you said "date" so they dont consider the posibility of just having a good time and sex. they just say no, i've got so many options that im gonna pass cuz i dont want used goods.

Like really, you dont get to choose. and if you decide to "choose" then you're a volcel fakecel.

This is nonsense.

In what scenario does a single mother offer to have no strings attached sex with cels? There isn't one. Only attractive men can pump and dump single mothers (that's how she became one in the first place).

Single mothers (and any women for that matter) only offer sex as an exchange for our labor, resources and wealth. It is not out of visceral desire like with the men they clearly lust after.

So sure, we would be volcels for turning down an offer but it is a completely justified position to take. It is not simply about sex, but about being legitimately desired and not manipulated.

There is no single mother that would indulge in this scenario without inevitably coming to the expectation men like us provide for and take care of their children. They even straight up tell you that.

 

[Deleted member 36342]

I want a hot mommy gf, no kids tho ofc.

 

[Emba]

I want a hot mommy gf, no kids tho ofc.

Ur in the right place bro!

 

[Deleted member 36342]

Ur in the right place bro!

 

[Zer0/∞]

I would only date a single mother if she had a very young daughter

Gentlemen, we got him. @AlphaCentauri

View: https://youtu.be/ckcDG1j5jWo

 

[Deleted member 36342]

Gentlemen, we got him. @AlphaCentauri

View: https://youtu.be/ckcDG1j5jWo

 

[Hoppipolla]

It depends how many kids really. One is fine.

I said option 2 but really it would depend more on whether I liked her personality than whether she's younger or attractive, within reason.

 

[lemon21]

This is nonsense.

In what scenario does a single mother offer to have no strings attached sex with cels? There isn't one. Only attractive men can pump and dump single mothers (that's how she became one in the first place).

Single mothers (and any women for that matter) only offer sex as an exchange for our labor, resources and wealth. It is not out of visceral desire like with the men they clearly lust after.

So sure, we would be volcels for turning down an offer but it is a completely justified position to take. It is not simply about sex, but about being legitimately desired and not manipulated.

There is no single mother that would indulge in this scenario without inevitably coming to the expectation men like us provide for and take care of their children. They even straight up tell you that.

While there are single mother's that expect you to be a walking ATM, there's also those who are attracted. incel dosn't mean truecel, there was this dude who posted about a single mom going out of her way to ask his number, then talked for about 30minutes and the guy insulted her and posted here how he wouldn't raise her spawn.

Like dude, you guys are picturing a movie of the future not even considering the present. if you dont want to have sex then that makes you a volcel, dont justify yourself with this BS. getting her to have sex with you wont take more than 3 dates, and if she ends up wanting you to betabuxx you can just dump her. you can clearly see if she wans to use you or really likes you in the spawn of a month, maybe less. there's no need for you to "raise her child" if she likes you.

The reality is that incel's like you think you're hot shit and expect a pure maiden to drop onto your lap, face facts lads. either you get laid with what you can, or you dont. at that point you're just beggars demanding restaurant food everyday, that's not how it works. with this i'm not saying that you should betabuxx a single mother, i'm saying if you have the chance you should take it and see where it leads.

 

[Deleted member 36342]

While there are single mother's that expect you to be a walking ATM, there's also those who are attracted. incel dosn't mean truecel, there was this dude who posted about a single mom going out of her way to ask his number, then talked for about 30minutes and the guy insulted her and posted here how he wouldn't raise her spawn.

Like dude, you guys are picturing a movie of the future not even considering the present. if you dont want to have sex then that makes you a volcel, dont justify yourself with this BS. getting her to have sex with you wont take more than 3 dates, and if she ends up wanting you to betabuxx you can just dump her. you can clearly see if she wans to use you or really likes you in the spawn of a month, maybe less. there's no need for you to "raise her child" if she likes you.

The reality is that incel's like you think you're hot shit and expect a pure maiden to drop onto your lap, face facts lads. either you get laid with what you can, or you dont. at that point you're just beggars demanding restaurant food everyday, that's not how it works. with this i'm not saying that you should betabuxx a single mother, i'm saying if you have the chance you should take it and see where it leads.

Very well said

 

[Tenshi]

I have been rejected by single moms

there was a time when dating single moms was a viable strategy for sub5 men but now that's gone

 

[IncelWithHate]

While there are single mother's that expect you to be a walking ATM, there's also those who are attracted.

The majority of single mothers expect the men they date to provide.

If we are talking about actual sub-5 men, then the only thing they're attracted to is stability and wealth. Not the man himself. At best, I can buy a woman settling for a sub-5 outside of money due to being desperate for partner (due to things like co-dependence, loneliness and social status, ie. no longer wanting to be regarded as a single mother). However this still isn't a good outcome for the man.

incel dosn't mean truecel, there was this dude who posted about a single mom going out of her way to ask his number, then talked for about 30minutes and the guy insulted her and posted here how he wouldn't raise her spawn.

We are not talking about fakecels though. You made that false equivalence by yourself. Also, just because a single mother 'went out of her way' to ask for his number, it doesn't mean her attraction to him was genuine and it doesn't mean his rejection was invalid. Also, the entire story could be a LARP anyway. Why even assume its true?

Like dude, you guys are picturing a movie of the future not even considering the present. if you dont want to have sex then that makes you a volcel, dont justify yourself with this BS. getting her to have sex with you wont take more than 3 dates, and if she ends up wanting you to betabuxx you can just dump her. you can clearly see if she wans to use you or really likes you in the spawn of a month, maybe less. there's no need for you to "raise her child" if she likes you.

Dude, I am attracted to a single mother at my wagecuck job right now. She's stunning and extremely fuckable. She doesn't want anything to do with me like most women but I don't deny fantasizing about her. However, even if she did we both know precisely why she would consider me. It is perfectly defensible to be a standardcel in instances where the woman seeks you solely for finances. It is really no different than calling a cel 'fake' because he can potentially buy the services of a prostitute. Sure, it makes him voluntarily celibate but he still isn't desired.

In fact, its even a worse exchange than overt prostitution because the woman can (and does) deny sex, expects a surrogate father, there is likely to be confrontations/drama with the Chad sperm donor and in the event of a breakup the courts can come after you for money. For a child that isn't even yours.

Also, how would you know the timeframe for judging this anyway? You have experience then?

I say this coming from the perspective of one that grew up in a single mother household(s) and observed this shit.

The reality is that incel's like you think you're hot shit and expect a pure maiden to drop onto your lap, face facts lads. either you get laid with what you can, or you dont. at that point you're just beggars demanding restaurant food everyday, that's not how it works. with this i'm not saying that you should betabuxx a single mother, i'm saying if you have the chance you should take it and see where it leads.

You don't know shit about me. As an old/wizardcel I guarantee I'm been through much more than you. I've cold approached, asked dates, tried the orbiter route, you name it. I'm not a standardcel because I asked out multiple fat black women and still got turned down. You sound no different than the gaslighting normies that spout drivel like "You only must have asked out victoria secrets models" or "stay in your lane". My standards for women are not particularly high at all, even after gymmaxxing. I'm ethnic, manlet and have no little redeeming qualities in my face. I've never asked women outside of my race, but its safe to give me the benefit of the doubt there since if I couldn't ascend with my 'own women' it would simply result embarrassment for other races. Since I don't have the JBW factor available.

Again, we are not talking about youngcels like yourself that merely read blackpill and haven't actually lived it as an actual sub-5. We're talking about men that wouldn't be considered for anything but provision. Don't attempt to strawman this discussion by inserting fakecels and outliers.

 

[lemon21]

The majority of single mothers expect the men they date to provide.

If we are talking about actual sub-5 men, then the only thing they're attracted to is stability and wealth. Not the man himself. At best, I can buy a woman settling for a sub-5 outside of money due to being desperate for partner (due to things like co-dependence, loneliness and social status, ie. no longer wanting to be regarded as a single mother). However this still isn't a good outcome for the man.

I disagree, i've seen both. there was a guy who didnt even have a job and attracted a single mother, he was not the most handsome guy either(he was ethnic, only reedeming quality would be his height) and he now works as a janitor. the single mother in question had a girl and now they have 3 kids together.

We are not talking about fakecels though. You made that false equivalence by yourself. Also, just because a single mother 'went out of her way' to ask for his number, it doesn't mean her attraction to him was genuine and it doesn't mean his rejection was invalid. Also, the entire story could be a LARP anyway. Why even assume its true?

If we take that measurement then we can apply that to everything on here, what i meant by that is that i've seen/read enough examples to know that this is not that rare of an ocurrence.

Dude, I am attracted to a single mother at my wagecuck job right now. She's stunning and extremely fuckable. She doesn't want anything to do with me like most women but I don't deny fantasizing about her. However, even if she did we both know precisely why she would consider me. It is perfectly defensible to be a standardcel in instances where the woman seeks you solely for finances. It is really no different than calling a cel 'fake' because he can potentially buy the services of a prostitute. Sure, it makes him voluntarily celibate but he still isn't desired.

In fact, its even a worse exchange than overt prostitution because the woman can (and does) deny sex, expects a surrogate father, there is likely to be confrontations/drama with the Chad sperm donor and in the event of a breakup the courts can come after you for money. For a child that isn't even yours.

I'm talking about a looksmatched single mother or even below, that's the point. no shit a stacy wont give you the time of the day even if she has a kid lmao. we're not chad

Also, how would you know the timeframe for judging this anyway? You have experience then?

I say this coming from the perspective of one that grew up in a single mother household(s) and observed this shit.

Observation mostly, im an npc, i don't get to have experiences so i just use what my social interactions taught me.

You don't know shit about me. As an old/wizardcel I guarantee I'm been through much more than you. I've cold approached, asked dates, tried the orbiter route, you name it. I'm not a standardcel because I asked out multiple fat black women and still got turned down. You sound no different than the gaslighting normies that spout drivel like "You only must have asked out victoria secrets models" or "stay in your lane". My standards for women are not particularly high at all, even after gymmaxxing. I'm ethnic, manlet and have no little redeeming qualities in my face. I've never asked women outside of my race, but its safe to give me the benefit of the doubt there since if I couldn't ascend with my 'own women' it would simply result embarrassment for other races. Since I don't have the JBW factor available.

Again, we are not talking about youngcels like yourself that merely read blackpill and haven't actually lived it as an actual sub-5. We're talking about men that wouldn't be considered for anything but provision. Don't attempt to strawman this discussion by inserting fakecels and outliers.

I'm sorry if i came out that way, i didnt mean you only. there's lot of guys here with a lot of demands in regards to having a partner and those guys tend to be fakecels at the end of the day. i have a friend who's almost a truecel, bald, short, ethnic. and he acts cocky when told a single mother is interested in him cuz he dosnt want to raise her child. i believe a lot of guys here are of the same mindset.

I wont deny your experiences, as at the end of the day that's what count most. I'm sure you tried a lot more than me, but i also had my fair share of rejections and shamefull experiences. from a young age i was very adept at picking up social cues, so i wouldnt even bother asking a girl out as that would be suicide if she didnt show even an IOI. i'm also a manlet and balding so we're not that different, you just are a few years older than me.

As a conclusion what i meant was, you dont need to go full on about a single mother. you can just meet and see how the relationship develops, you can dump her or whatever if she only wants your money. this may not apply to you as you may only have experienced gold diggers, but maybe a lot of guys out there had a chance and they missed it just for being cocky.

 

[IncelWithHate]

I disagree, i've seen both. there was a guy who didnt even have a job and attracted a single mother, he was not the most handsome guy either(he was ethnic, only reedeming quality would be his height) and he now works as a janitor. the single mother in question had a girl and now they have 3 kids together.

Outliers prove nothing.

That's like me bringing up the Melvin at my workplace that has a loyal stacylite girlfriend. Not really explained by blackpill (maybe that shit oofy doofy theory) but it doesn't have to. Statistical anomalies are just that.

If we take that measurement then we can apply that to everything on here, what i meant by that is that i've seen/read enough examples to know that this is not that rare of an occurrence.

In other words cherry picking, and confirmation bias. This ties into what I said above.

I'm talking about a looksmatched single mother or even below, that's the point. no shit a stacy wont give you the time of the day even if she has a kid lmao. we're not chad

Again, strawman. No-one mentioned a fucking stacy or even a becky. What is the point of a discussion where you go out of your way to be this fucking disingenuous?

And do you actually deny women can and do attract men who are above them in looks? Its not uncommon, and easily explained by the desperation and thirst of most men due to the current marketplace.

I'm sorry if i came out that way, i didnt mean you only. there's lot of guys here with a lot of demands in regards to having a partner and those guys tend to be fakecels at the end of the day. i have a friend who's almost a truecel, bald, short, ethnic. and he acts cocky when told a single mother is interested in him cuz he dosnt want to raise her child. i believe a lot of guys here are of the same mindset.

We agree here.

I don't care at all for the youngcels that come on here, attracted by memes and the nihilism of the blackpill. Basically giving them an excuse to LADR. If it were up to me, one wouldn't be able to call themselves cel unless they were undoubtedly sub-5, had actually attempted to attract a woman and were at least late 20's (personally I think 30 is the cutoff). Though many find these requirements extreme. To which I would retort, being an incel is an extreme state to be in.

Also, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to raise someone else's child. The overwhelming majority of women come to expect their partner to take on that responsibility, even if they themselves don't initially think that.

As a conclusion what i meant was, you dont need to go full on about a single mother. you can just meet and see how the relationship develops, you can dump her or whatever if she only wants your money. this may not apply to you as you may only have experienced gold diggers, but maybe a lot of guys out there had a chance and they missed it just for being cocky.

Unless one is a standardcel/fakecel, I don't see this as a concern. Most men, especially cels are extremely desperate and thirsty which is why it is not at all difficult for single mothers to find partners in the first place. This epidemic of men supposedly rejecting single mothers in masse is a myth. And yes, I am referring to homely and even ugly women.

 

[lemon21]

Outliers prove nothing.

That's like me bringing up the Melvin at my workplace that has a loyal stacylite girlfriend. Not really explained by blackpill (maybe that shit oofy doofy theory) but it doesn't have to. Statistical anomalies are just that.

I dont know how you expect me to get anything other than experiences on the table, there should be no statistics for this and if there's one it will be on tinder where everyone goes to fuck, so it would make sense that money dosn't play a part in there.

In other words cherry picking, and confirmation bias. This ties into what I said above.

Your entire point of view is made of confirmation bias, what do you mean?

Again, strawman. No-one mentioned a fucking stacy or even a becky. What is the point of a discussion where you go out of your way to be this fucking disingenuous?

Dude, I am attracted to a single mother at my wagecuck job right now. She's stunning and extremely fuckable. She doesn't want anything to do with me like most women but I don't deny fantasizing about her. However

And do you actually deny women can and do attract men who are above them in looks? Its not uncommon, and easily explained by the desperation and thirst of most men due to the current marketplace.

Yes, that's the point im trying to make. a lot of "incels" here can get a single mother.

I don't care at all for the youngcels that come on here, attracted by memes and the nihilism of the blackpill. Basically giving them an excuse to LADR. If it were up to me, one wouldn't be able to call themselves cel unless they were undoubtedly sub-5, had actually attempted to attract a woman and were at least late 20's (personally I think 30 is the cutoff). Though many find these requirements extreme. To which I would retort, being an incel is an extreme state to be in.

I agree, 21+ should be the correct age.

Also, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to raise someone else's child. The overwhelming majority of women come to expect their partner to take on that responsibility, even if they themselves don't initially think that.

And how did you get this info?

Unless one is a standardcel/fakecel, I don't see this as a concern. Most men, especially cels are extremely desperate and thirsty which is why it is not at all difficult for single mothers to find partners in the first place. This epidemic of men supposedly rejecting single mothers in masse is a myth. And yes, I am referring to homely and even ugly women.

Most "normies" you mean, do you even see the polls for this shit? almost every week there's a vatiation to it and it tends to be 90% voting no to dating a single mom, you seem weirdly confident on this asumption of yours while the stats prove otherwise.

 

[IncelWithHate]

I dont know how you expect me to get anything other than experiences on the table, there should be no statistics for this and if there's one it will be on tinder where everyone goes to fuck, so it would make sense that money dosn't play a part in there.

Do I have to explain why anecdotes are useless for examining a population of people?

Let me make this simple. Everyone has anecdotes, many of which contradict statistical averages and even each other. Therefore, if everyone's anecdotes were regarded as valid in a discussion than we get nowhere (as they all carry the same weight). So we disregard them and pay attention to empirical evidence and studies.

In other words, you bringing up that example is invalid when we're talking about a broad population of people.

Your entire point of view is made of confirmation bias, what do you mean?

Except it isn't. I said she was stunning and attractive to me. I never said she was a stacy or even a becky. Just that I was extremely attracted to her. I even went on to say that my standards are not high.

So you blatantly quote mined me in an attempt to say something I clearly did not. This is another example of you being disingenuous.

Yes, that's the point im trying to make. a lot of "incels" here can get a single mother.

I already debunked this.

- They are fakecels/standardcels
- The single mothers are interested in them for less than savory reasons
- Outliers

And how did you get this info?

Let me repeat again.

They will literally tell you that.

But you don't need to listen to women. Again, observe their actions. The majority of men in relationships with single mothers provide support to them. Very few women will tolerate a relationship where the man does not contribute financially to the child.

If he doesn't he's either a fakecel or outlier.

Most "normies" you mean, do you even see the polls for this shit? almost every week there's a vatiation to it and it tends to be 90% voting no to dating a single mom, you seem weirdly confident on this asumption of yours while the stats prove otherwise.

People can say what they like on here, but that crushing loneliness and desire for validation that causes men to chuck the blackpill out the window if they so much as get a smile from a random woman is another matter. Everyone is an internet tough guy. I seriously doubt most can back up their talk in a real life scenario.

Also, take into account the fake/youngcels (one in the same imo) present on this forum.

 

[proudweeb]

i hate whining crying little kids more than i even hate foids (and that's A LOT)

 

[lemon21]

Do I have to explain why anecdotes are useless for examining a population of people?

Let me make this simple. Everyone has anecdotes, many of which contradict statistical averages and even each other. Therefore, if everyone's anecdotes were regarded as valid in a discussion than we get nowhere (as they all carry the same weight). So we disregard them and pay attention to empirical evidence and studies.

In other words, you bringing up that example is invalid when we're talking about a broad population of people.

You didnt back up any of your claims by statistics either, so it's not like you can debunk what i said either. at most we will be disagreeing over experiences. that's what i meant, you talk about your experiences i talk about mine. either that or we bring statistics to the table.

Except it isn't. I said she was stunning and attractive to me. I never said she was a stacy or even a becky. Just that I was extremely attracted to her. I even went on to say that my standards are not high.

So you blatantly quote mined me in an attempt to say something I clearly did not. This is another example of you being disingenuous.

Pro-tip: she dosn't need to be a stacy, if she's atractive to you she's atractive to almost all the male population. you seem to love not getting what i mean and instead focusing on the irrelevant.

It's not like you're a gem finder and you saw all the "good in her" like really...

I already debunked this.

- They are fakecels/standardcels
- The single mothers are interested in them for less than savory reasons
- Outliers

Yes and those consist on a part of the incel population which for some reason you dont want to recognize, you dont need to be a truecel to be incel. just being unnatractive in some for or another and not getting laid. that's what makes you incel, if you have your own definition then that's on you.

Let me repeat again.

They will literally tell you that.

But you don't need to listen to women. Again, observe their actions. The majority of men in relationships with single mothers provide support to them. Very few women will tolerate a relationship where the man does not contribute financially to the child.

If he doesn't he's either a fakecel or outlier.

You said it well, "in relationships" my entire post was "you don't need to be in a relationship with a single mother" you do understand that there's a lot of people who are not into relationships and are getting sex, right? and you aren't so naive as to think all of them are chads?

People can say what they like on here, but that crushing loneliness and desire for validation that causes men to chuck the blackpill out the window if they so much as get a smile from a random woman is another matter. Everyone is an internet tough guy. I seriously doubt most can back up their talk in a real life scenario.

Also, take into account the fake/youngcels (one in the same imo) present on this forum.

So you want to use data but the data presented to you is false huh? interesting how you twist words to fit your argument. You want to say observe, but you can't observe incels irl, so the most you can do is gather data about their opinions those which as we don't have to deal with social stigmas, are mostly real.

The problem here is that you define incels as truecels, while the reality is that there's a lot of incels who have some reedeming quality and that's what i'm basing this off. the majority of incels are like that after all, some got height, some are not that ugly at 5/10, some are white, etc. they wont be seen as chad, but they can get some action with a single mother.

As there dosnt seem to be a middle ground here i'll be taking my leave as this became far too boring

 

[ilieknothing]

I would be way too angry all the time for this to work.

 

[Caesercel]

Only if I don't spend a single penny

 

[Sheogorath]

This single mother foid fucked some attractive Chad or Tyrone (if he wasnt attractive she wouldnt have fucked him nor would he leave) and now you as her new nigga you gotta compete with this Chad who will def comeback to cuck you.

I think technically widows can be single moms too, so possibly the dad might be dead from doing some dangerous job like cutting lumbar, doing construction or mining.

If that were the case (I'd want to see death certificate) the factor wouldn't bother me as much.

Though I still feel like his old homies would still come to try and cuck you.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

I'm not sure, on one hand I don't want to be used as a cuck and beta-provider and have the added baggage and drama of her kid, ex-chad and family being around. But I would no longer be incel as such, I'd be in a relationship, hopefully be having sex and spending time together doing things instead of at home alone as usual.

I did have some interest online dating one time, as I liked everyone back and one was an obese 49 year old mother of 3. I felt little motivation to progress things though [in b4 gtfo volcel] but I added her to my messenger and it was obvious she was looking for some desperate lonely beta-provider. She cooled immediately when I mentioned I had a minimum wage job lol. It's so depressing, that is as good as it is ever likely to be if I improve my prospects somehow.

as long as I never have to fucking see that Chadspawn or Chad I would dump and dump and lie to myself she never got pregnant

 

[Shuttlescoff]

Hmm how about FUCK NO!!!, where is the fairness in them having all their FUCKING FUN RUINING THEMSELVES while I'm sitting there pure(virgin/no none sexual contact) and all of a sudden have my only choice be that? society wants me to Settle for BULLSHIT? I think not. That notion CAN GO FUCK ITSELF OFF!!!

 

[NikRebi]

I think technically widows can be single moms too, so possibly the dad might be dead from doing some dangerous job like cutting lumbar, doing construction or mining.

If that were the case (I'd want to see death certificate) the factor wouldn't bother me as much.

Though I still feel like his old homies would still come to try and cuck you.

She is gonna call his name in bed

 

[_realist_]

No fucking way. Kids are a dealbreaker.

 

[Sheogorath]

She is gonna call his name in bed

Knowing he was dead as she did this would only make my penis harder

 

[NikRebi]

Knowing he was dead as she did this would only make my penis harder

 

[IncelWithHate]

You didnt back up any of your claims by statistics either, so it's not like you can debunk what i said either. at most we will be disagreeing over experiences. that's what i meant, you talk about your experiences i talk about mine. either that or we bring statistics to the table.

I need stats to support the assertion single mothers are supported by another man's income? No, I don't. Its a matter of course.

Pro-tip: she dosn't need to be a stacy, if she's atractive to you she's atractive to almost all the male population. you seem to love not getting what i mean and instead focusing on the irrelevant.

'What you mean' is nonsensical and inconsistent. First you attempt to quote mine people into a gotcha moment "She was a Stacy", now you contradict yourself and claim, "Oh I didn't really mean that. She doesn't have to be a Stacy".

Your 'argument' is self-defeating. Seeing as even fat women can have multiple sexual partners, obviously males have a larger demographic of women they are attracted too. That doesn't mean a sub-5 woman is considered universally attractive, it just means men will still sleep with them due to lack of options. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.

It's not like you're a gem finder and you saw all the "good in her" like really...

No idea what this babble is about.

Yes and those consist on a part of the incel population which for some reason you dont want to recognize,

Right. I don't recognize fakecels and to a lesser extent standardcels.

you dont need to be a truecel to be incel.

Strawman.

just being unnatractive in some for or another and not getting laid. that's what makes you incel, if you have your own definition then that's on you.

By this logic, a Chad could be 'unattractive' (for example financially) and he isn't getting laid for whatever reason. By your definition he is incel.

No, I don't agree with that definition.

You said it well, "in relationships" my entire post was "you don't need to be in a relationship with a single mother" you do understand that there's a lot of people who are not into relationships and are getting sex, right? and you aren't so naive as to think all of them are chads?

I think most of them are chads, normies and outliers.

So you want to use data but the data presented to you is false huh? interesting how you twist words to fit your argument. You want to say observe, but you can't observe incels irl, so the most you can do is gather data about their opinions those which as we don't have to deal with social stigmas, are mostly real.

Which data is false?

The problem here is that you define incels as truecels,

No I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said incel = truecel.

I said truecels who might get involved with single mothers are justified for being wary of them.

while the reality is that there's a lot of incels who have some reedeming quality and that's what i'm basing this off. the majority of incels are like that after all, some got height, some are not that ugly at 5/10, some are white, etc. they wont be seen as chad, but they can get some action with a single mother.

Arguing a point I never made. No-one claimed various cels couldn't get a single mother. The argument was that sub-5 men aren't fakecels for turning down a single mother since her interest in him is purely financial.

Such men can get sex from a prostitute too. Doesn't mean they are fakecels for not wanting to use those women.

As there dosnt seem to be a middle ground here i'll be taking my leave as this became far too boring

Yes, strawmen, lack of reading comprehension, quote mining instead of substantial arguments. That is quite boring. You argue like a foid. "Well, I feel this or that".

 

[HenkkaH]

id fuck one but not date

Good luck finding one, just for sexual encounters.

If the opportunity comes, just pump and dump just like chad does.