Many of you guys have seen my face on video or in pics, in most cases I have been rated around 3.5/10 facially, +/- 1/2 point. People here have given me somewhat encouraging comments and advice on looksmaxxing. With a leaner pic from before surgery I have been rated around 4/10 on average +/-1/2 point, some people have even said I looked decent in the leaner pic. Women on the other hand rate me as extremely ugly currently, the one woman who saw my video who I spent 2.5 hours voice chatting with, spent over an hour making fun of me for being extremely ugly on group voice chat after gaslighting me. She said that she would rather kill herself than hold my hand, from the intensity of her responses I would estimate she rates me a 2/10. Pretty much every woman that has seen my pics have either avoided interacting with me afterwards or admitted I am ugly and then ghosted me. One woman even said I was a bit below normie tier in my older skinny pic, where I was rated LTN by incels. None of them even want to talk to me after seeing my face, let alone be friends or date, perhaps women treat all sub4s this way, but I would assume that they see me as uglier than most guys do. Perhaps this is a combination of me being curry and lacking facial harmony.
Despite all the people on here who admire masculinity, women absolutely do not. I have a larger skull than most guys but it doesn't fit my face, I have robust bone structure underneath especially after undergoing surgery, but it looks uncanny. I have a large jaw and even a sharp jawline after losing weight, I have a strong brow-ridge but none of that matters to women. What women care about more than anything is harmony and symmetry. My large frame or being taller than many of the guys at my workplace did nothing to reduce the contempt women had for me. Women would prefer a shorter guy with a smaller frame, wrist, hands and no muscle building capacity over an ogre like me. I got practically no attention after gymcelling and I was lean, had a decent frame and looked strong.
Perhaps it's possible for me to gain respect around guys by losing weight, maintaining some muscle mass, shaving my neckbeard and getting rid of acne but women would still be just as repulsed by me and wouldn't want me around them. Maybe this could help me in my career and lead to less mockery by women, but with the high prevalance of HR foids and foid managers in low-to medium skill roles, it might make limited difference. @PLA1092 thoughts?
Despite all the people on here who admire masculinity, women absolutely do not. I have a larger skull than most guys but it doesn't fit my face, I have robust bone structure underneath especially after undergoing surgery, but it looks uncanny. I have a large jaw and even a sharp jawline after losing weight, I have a strong brow-ridge but none of that matters to women. What women care about more than anything is harmony and symmetry. My large frame or being taller than many of the guys at my workplace did nothing to reduce the contempt women had for me. Women would prefer a shorter guy with a smaller frame, wrist, hands and no muscle building capacity over an ogre like me. I got practically no attention after gymcelling and I was lean, had a decent frame and looked strong.
Perhaps it's possible for me to gain respect around guys by losing weight, maintaining some muscle mass, shaving my neckbeard and getting rid of acne but women would still be just as repulsed by me and wouldn't want me around them. Maybe this could help me in my career and lead to less mockery by women, but with the high prevalance of HR foids and foid managers in low-to medium skill roles, it might make limited difference. @PLA1092 thoughts?
