RageFuel Why "therapy" makes incels angry

[Fontaine]

Men have an intellectual self-esteem. They tend to see themselves as having the mental capacities to see reality, understand it and draw conclusions from it.

The basic premise of therapy is that mental patients do not have an accurate grasp on reality, which is a very humiliating and condescending premise to start with.

Humiliating things can be tolerated if they are useful. For example, I would accept to be utterly humiliated by a kung-fu master to learn good kung-fu.

However, there is no good evidence therapy is useful for ugly males. Which adds injury to insult. If you repeat the cycle, it begins to qualify as psychological torture.

Finally, therapy is not a falsifiable system. You can't prove a therapist wrong - and the most dishonest therapists will use that to their advantage, always redirecting failure on their patient.

I have several suggestions for psychotherapists who read this forum.

- Get familiar with evolutionary psychology and the objectivity of physical attractiveness.
- Get familiar with the modern dating market.
- Don't assume from the start that a pessimistic idea is necessarily wrong.

 

[Moustachcel]

einstein iq tbh love your posts sometimes

 

[Deleted member 12256]

Therapists are only there to take your money, i get it if a person wants to talk to someone, but better talk to your paretns or a friend than spending money to a fraud. He will spew the worst bluepilled advice in your face and make you feel guilty, and that it's your fault you are like this.

 

[crew2]

Men have an intellectual self-esteem. They tend to see themselves as having the mental capacities to see reality, understand it and draw conclusions from it.

The basic premise of therapy is that mental patients do not have an accurate grasp on reality, which is a very humiliating and condescending premise to start with.

Humiliating things can be tolerated if they are useful. For example, I would accept to be utterly humiliated by a kung-fu master to learn good kung-fu.

However, there is no good evidence therapy is useful for ugly males. Which adds injury to insult. If you repeat the cycle, it begins to qualify as psychological torture.

Finally, therapy is not a falsifiable system. You can't prove a therapist wrong - and the most dishonest therapists will use that to their advantage, always redirecting failure on their patient.

Agree completely and this is something I have always said whenever my family suggested it. I am not stupid and know the truth.

 

[Deleted member 6657]

And don't take the jew pills either

 

[Villain]

well its because you need to have a little blue pill in your life to live... Im sure everyone of us here hope that someday our life would be better consciously or subconsciously thats why we still have not commit suicide

 

[Gremlincel]

Exactly right.

 

[oldcellcopecell]

Therapy can be useful mostly for normies, who are unaware of themselves.

Incels have had plenty of time to analyze themselves in excruciating detail.

It can be useful for mentalcels though, like maybe you think you're schizoid but you're really more avoidant or something like that.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

Evolutionary psychology is an eye-opener. It was this that really opened my eyes, back when I was in my early 20s. When you realise that 80% of males are basically just the chaff and the other 20% are the wheat...

 

[Mr. Ponzi]

Exactly right.

 

[Fontaine]

And don't take the jew pills either

No idea why incels take such a dismissive view of anti-depressants. Modifying brain chemistry to change outlook is a lot more useful and based on science than the reverse.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Men have an intellectual self-esteem. They tend to see themselves as having the mental capacities to see reality, understand it and draw conclusions from it.

The basic premise of therapy is that mental patients do not have an accurate grasp on reality, which is a very humiliating and condescending premise to start with.

Humiliating things can be tolerated if they are useful. For example, I would accept to be utterly humiliated by a kung-fu master to learn good kung-fu.

However, there is no good evidence therapy is useful for ugly males. Which adds injury to insult. If you repeat the cycle, it begins to qualify as psychological torture.

Finally, therapy is not a falsifiable system. You can't prove a therapist wrong - and the most dishonest therapists will use that to their advantage, always redirecting failure on their patient.

I have several suggestions for psychotherapists who read this forum.

- Get familiar with evolutionary psychology and the objectivity of physical attractiveness.
- Get familiar with the modern dating market.
- Don't assume from the start that a pessimistic idea is necessarily wrong.

Thanks. Good advice.

einstein iq tbh love your posts sometimes

No idea why incels take such a dismissive view of anti-depressants. Modifying brain chemistry to change outlook is a lot more useful and based on science than the reverse.

I've asked about this. Hope to buy some good ones over the net.

 

[Fontaine]

einstein iq tbh love your posts sometimes

I'm not sure I have a high IQ. It's rather that I have the self-confidence necessary to yell the truth and yell my discontent.

It may have something to do with my "fuck you money". When I was poor and unemployed, I felt a lot weaker, and criticizing more powerful authority figures like therapists felt like arrogance of a failure who criticizes things he doesn't understand. Hatred of therapists was something shameful I mostly kept for myself.

Now they don't intimidate me anymore, and I am actually on course to become a therapist myself.

 

[Moustachcel]

I'm not sure I have a high IQ. It's rather that I have the self-confidence necessary to yell the truth and yell my discontent.

It may have something to do with my "fuck you money". When I was poor and unemployed, I felt a lot weaker, and criticizing more powerful authority figures like therapists felt like arrogance of a failure who criticizes things he doesn't understand. Hatred of therapists was something shameful I mostly kept for myself.

Now they don't intimidate me anymore, and I am actually on course to become a therapist myself.

I mean sometimes your posts are great and sometimes just weird and confusing tbh.
But how did you gain self confidence? My confidence was already destroyed from my parents, teachers, other children when I was small and now am getting mogged for being ugly and I cant really recover from it. Sometimes I feel a little better but than i feel worse again about myself. How did you accomplish it have you any tips???

 

[Fontaine]

I mean sometimes your posts are great and sometimes just weird and confusing tbh.
But how did you gain self confidence? My confidence was already destroyed from my parents, teachers, other children when I was small and now am getting mogged for being ugly and I cant really recover from it. Sometimes I feel a little better but than i feel worse again about myself. How did you accomplish it have you any tips???

Therapy.

Just kidding. It's mostly by having kept faith in my intellectual abilities, always looking at actual scientific evidence rather than subjective opinion masquerading as fact, but also taking a very relaxed and detached attitude towards the whole shebang. Being right is useless if it kills you by anger and despair lol.

Also, having "fuck you money". If you're wealthy, normies lose a lot of their power over you. I know that if I'm ever completely ostracized by society, I can hop on a plane and go to wherever to start a new life in comfort.

 

[Mainländer]

Therapy is, in my experience, not only utterly useless but in fact harmful for an ugly male.

Modifying brain chemistry/sinapses, though I never tried, sounds WAY better.

 

[Fontaine]

Therapy is, in my experience, not only utterly useless but in fact harmful for an ugly male.

Modifying brain chemistry/sinapses, though I never tried, sounds WAY better.

Of course, since it's a loss of time, money, energy and ego for no result (therapy can't fix your face). I don't think most therapists are willingly incompetent or evil though, a lot seem to be nice and well-intentioned. The problem is that they have a natural economic interest in telling you bullshit so you come back.

Modifying synapses is a lot more effective and long-lasting in my experience. Instead of having to constantly fight bad thoughts through "CBT", your brain simply ceases to produce these bad thoughts, or does so a lot less on a given day.

Notice how therapists have remarked how much synapse modification was a threat to their business model, hence bullshit books against psychotropic drugs.

 

[Moustachcel]

Therapy.

Just kidding. It's mostly by having kept faith in my intellectual abilities, always looking at actual scientific evidence rather than subjective opinion masquerading as fact, but also taking a very relaxed and detached attitude towards the whole shebang. Being right is useless if it kills you by anger and despair lol.

Also, having "fuck you money". If you're wealthy, normies lose a lot of their power over you. I know that if I'm ever completely ostracized by society, I can hop on a plane and go to wherever to start a new life in comfort.

I'm still in school so I dont have much money tbh

 

[Angus13]

telling us to seek a therapist is assuming that our problems are not real issues, funny though if you ask noncels to go a decade in our shoes, they immediately backtrack or blame the victim, anything to deflect having to walk in our shoes themselves. But they tell us it's "no big deal." When they piss and moan after a 2 week dry spell. "It's not a big deal" translation "YOU'RE not a big deal."

I wonder if they'd tell a foid she needs to see a therapist for objecting to being raped and trafficked for so many years?

 

[Zesto]

My waifu giving me aroma therapy with her body is the only therapy that would help me.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Very high IQ, women love it because they already have rational/objective reasons to have a high self esteem, they are just so dumb and entitled they fail to see it, and therapy can help with that. Plus women tend to solve their problems verbally (not surprising when you have no problems to begin with )

Ugly males have 0 reasons to have a high self esteem or feel contented and satisfied.

 

[Youklyn]

He will spew the worst bluepilled advice in your face and make you feel guilty, and that it's your fault you are like this.

My first therapist actually said that it was others fault for not letting me become more social and have a social life.

 

[Deleted member 12256]

My first therapist actually said that it was others fault for not letting me become more social and have a social life.

And did he actually helped you ? By saying what you knew by yourself already.

 

[Deleted member 250]

mogs Hawking’s IQ

 

[Doug]

Therapy wont Change hypergamy

 

[Erenor]

einstein iq tbh love your posts sometimes

 

[guyfromwizchan]

Therapy doesn't work when Jews are the problem and you're not the Jew.

 

[ImpureIncel]

Every therapist I've seen is extremely blue pilled and their main objective is to sell pharmaceutical drugs. Most mental health workers can only hook you up with drugs, or get you locked up.

 

[MaxZM98]

Therapists are only there to take your money, i get it if a person wants to talk to someone, but better talk to your paretns or a friend than spending money to a fraud. He will spew the worst bluepilled advice in your face and make you feel guilty, and that it's your fault you are like this.

Therapy wont Change hypergamy

 

[NEETAndTidy]

Everest level IQ as always

 

[Dude420]

Now they don't intimidate me anymore, and I am actually on course to become a therapist myself.

Where are you in your studies?

 

[moggables]

Modern psychology is cucked beyond measure. Most don't understand the different ways that men and women think, and therapy provides a one-size-fits-all solution that, of course, works for women but does fuck-all for men.

 

[Aleus]

Not all ugly men have a correct grasp of reality and even if they did it might be a good idea to offer them a fake reality which will keep them from committing suicide and which will make them feel better. I would say that a majority of atheists have a better grasp of reality than religious people do. Atheism, however, comes with a lack of clearly defined principles and axioms. It's vacuous and depressing. Religious people, however, can cope with the harsh realities of life in a much better way, even though their premises are wrong.
Bluepilling ugly men might raise their overall happiness by living in a fabricated, but beautiful reality.

Is it really necessary to tell a little child that their dead mother will not go to heaven, where they will eventually meet each other, but that her beloved mom will slowly disintegrate, until only the bones are left and that she'll never see her again? Is it really a good idea to tell an ugly guy that he's cursed by his inferior genes and that there's no hope for him? Let them live in a beautiful lie instead of an abysmal truth.

 

[Blacktarpill]

They try to make peole robots. You feel like a straight line. No peak or low points.

 

[FaceandHFD]

Only legit therapy is looksmaxxing and surgerymaxxing because getting more positive feedback due to better looks improves your outlook on life .
Jew pills are just drugs that trick your brain to being happy when there is no reason to.

 

[Erenor]

They try to make peole robots. You feel like a straight line. No peak or low points.

This only applies to some specific strong drugs that are avoided if possible by competent psychologists

 

[Fontaine]

Jew pills are just drugs that trick your brain to being happy when there is no reason to.

It's actually a very positive thing to have this technology available; happiness is nearly always better than misery.

 

[Deleted member 6657]

It's actually a very positive thing to have this technology available; happiness is nearly always better than misery.

It might be true, but the doctors are pushing the drugs way too hard. They might be effective but I wouldn't want to take them long term or short term for their side effects.

 

[StaroRavager]

Men have an intellectual self-esteem. They tend to see themselves as having the mental capacities to see reality, understand it and draw conclusions from it.

The basic premise of therapy is that mental patients do not have an accurate grasp on reality, which is a very humiliating and condescending premise to start with.

Humiliating things can be tolerated if they are useful. For example, I would accept to be utterly humiliated by a kung-fu master to learn good kung-fu.

However, there is no good evidence therapy is useful for ugly males. Which adds injury to insult. If you repeat the cycle, it begins to qualify as psychological torture.

High IQ post as usual

 

[Getlooksordie]

telling an incel to get therapy is literally like telling a starving African to get therapy because the feelings of hunger are not real and just in his head.

 

[ChadTears555]

"Just go to thearapy bro!" "Just call the suicide hotline bro!"

 

[feelsbadman32]

attractiveness is deeply rooted in the instinctual side of our brain

 

[Fontaine]

It might be true, but the doctors are pushing the drugs way too hard. They might be effective but I wouldn't want to take them long term or short term for their side effects.

You're lucky, in my country doctors are very reluctant to prescribe pills, you almost have to beg them.

 

[Redpill Robert]

ALL of the craziest, most batshit people I've known hate psychologists/psychiatrists. They also have their own equally crazy theories about why it's all bullshit. And I'm not saying mindlessly trust the shrink but goddamn.

 

[Fontaine]

ALL of the craziest, most batshit people I've known hate psychologists/psychiatrists. They also have their own equally crazy theories about why it's all bullshit. And I'm not saying mindlessly trust the shrink but goddamn.

You're not wrong, most of the people I knew who blindly hated all of the mental health sector were basket cases - largely men with mood disorders and in denial about them. Funnily, most ended up anti-semitic white nationalists -- if you're miserable, I guess it's easier on the ego to blame the Jews for it than your genetic predisposition for mood disorders.

However, there is legitimate criticism to be made about therapists: few have an adequate understanding of the social and psychological consequences of physical ugliness. It's easy to see ugliness as something neutral when you're not ugly yourself.

 

[averageblokecel]

Woa fontaine's posts are increasing in quality

Also, having "fuck you money". If you're wealthy, normies lose a lot of their power over you. I know that if I'm ever completely ostracized by society, I can hop on a plane and go to wherever to start a new life in comfort.

So you were dirt poor and now you are rich?

 

[Fontaine]

So you were dirt poor and now you are rich?

I had a lucky payout on the crypto market in late 2017. Being wealthy does change your outlook a lot. You're way more confident and tolerate less shit.

 

[averageblokecel]

I had a lucky payout on the crypto market in late 2017. Being wealthy does change your outlook a lot. You're way more confident and tolerate less shit.

I wish I would have that luck in the future

 

[averageblokecel]

Already edited but the fuck I was thinking, school must be making me weak right now

 

[Deleted member 6657]

You're lucky, in my country doctors are very reluctant to prescribe pills, you almost have to beg them.

God Bless the USA