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Why Nazi Germany was awesome

Well I'm very well read on my Holocaust historiography and unless you're a fan of David Irving, I don't think you can plausibly leave out the genocidal element. However I would ask, why would you want to leave that out? Should it not be a point of pride that the Fuhrer tried mightily to fight against the people who are the very source of the same corruption which has degraded and degenerated western culture? Just look at the smut infested, licentious and hedonistic ways of the JSA and you will retrospectively feel pride and admiration for the glorious efforts of the Reich.
You don't seem like a National Socialist to me if you still believe the Holocaust lie. I'm in a few Alt Right and NatSoc groups, this is very basic entry level stuff. Jews were not actively genocided by the Nazis, nor did Hitler order such a thing. 6 million Jews were not even in Axis controlled land. The Jews were treated pretty well in most camps and the plan from the start was to deport them all to Madagascar, most Jews died near the end of the war of disease and starvation because of allied bombings of supply lines in Germany which made lack of proper medical care and food cause a lot of Jews to die of typhus and starvation.

You don't know what you're talking about here and are just making the movement look bad. Embracing the holocaust JFL, what a joke. Have you even read Mein Kampf? This is entry level.
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You don't seem like a National Socialist to me if you still believe the Holocaust lie. I'm in a few Alt Right and NatSoc groups, this is very basic entry level stuff. Jews were not actively genocided by the Nazis, nor did Hitler order such a thing. 6 million Jews were not even in Axis controlled land. The Jews were treated pretty well in most camps and the plan from the start was to deport them all to Madagascar, most Jews died near the end of the war of disease and starvation because of allied bombings of supply lines in Germany which made lack of proper medical care and food cause a lot of Jews to die of typhus and starvation.

You don't know what you're talking about here and are just making the movement look bad. Embracing the holocaust JFL, what a joke. Have you even read Mein Kampf? This is entry level.
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I used to teach this stuff at the undergraduate level and I did my Master's thesis on the collaboration between the Einsatzgruppe operating in the East and various ethnic, nationalist militias whose mutual efforts facilitated the annihilation of approximately one million enemies of the Reich (and humanity). As stated previously, the only serious scholarly work that ever came into publication which attempted to refute the veracity of holocaust historiography was Irving's book Hitler's War. I make the point that was made by many SS officers after the war and members of the much vaunted Odessa organization, that it would be cowardly and hypocritical to deny that which you advocated for and fully executed with such alacrity and fervor, especially considering the denial was only an effort to exculpate yourself from jewish tribunals.

I picked up a copy of Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when I was just a lad in sixth grade and I've been fascinated and inspired by Nazi Germany ever since. I'm also a fan of the Alt-right and believe very strongly in the creation of a white nationalist identity which can be a counter point to BLM, feminism, moral degeneracy and libtards in general. You and I are very much alike comrade, though I will always maintain that we should take collective pride in all the achievements of the Third Reich and not just view history selectively.
 
Incels.me WARRIOR DESTROYS libtard with FACTS and LOGIC by whipping out his BIG ARYAN COCK, slapping the SJW in the face so HARD that they IMPLODE. The EXPLOSION opens a rift in the WORLD and unleashes NYARTHOLOTYPE ancient god of FACTS who then DESTROYS WORLD with DEVASTATING HOLOCAUST EXPOSURE.
 
Incels.me WARRIOR DESTROYS libtard with FACTS and LOGIC by whipping out his BIG ARYAN COCK, slapping the SJW in the face so HARD that they IMPLODE. The EXPLOSION opens a rift in the WORLD and unleashes NYARTHOLOTYPE ancient god of FACTS who then DESTROYS WORLD with DEVASTATING HOLOCAUST EXPOSURE.

Dankeschon, I think.

And as an aside, are you eating magic shrooms at present, because that post doesn't sound like it could possibly be the product of a sober mind? Though it is highly impressive.
 
Goering was an air force officer and stunt pilot who only got fat late in life, when he was already Reichsmarschall and Reich Minister of Aviation. High tier normie. And, by today's standards, not that fat.

Goebbels, yes, was pretty incel. Failed writer and ugly manlet who could only find love after he rose up to the highest echelons of the NSDAP.

Himmler was a socially awkward low tier normie.

The NSDAP had plenty of Chads as well. Case in point, the guy in my profile pic.
 
Goering was an air force officer and stunt pilot who only got fat late in life, when he was already Reichsmarschall and Reich Minister of Aviation. High tier normie. And, by today's standards, not that fat.

Goebbels, yes, was pretty incel. Failed writer and ugly manlet who could only find love after he rose up to the highest echelons of the NSDAP.

Himmler was a socially awkward low tier normie.

The NSDAP had plenty of Chads as well. Case in point, the guy in my profile pic.

Yes I've already granted the Heydrich concession. I am likewise aware of Goering's days of daring do, though after the Munich Putsch and his injuries, he never really regained his former stature or vigor.

The majority of the Chads were lower echelon functionaries. I could go on with the list of NSDAP and Reich leadership which qualified as either beta's or incel material. Robert Ley (alcoholic, obese and socially awkward), Kaltenbrunner (as you know, Heydrich's successor as chief of RSHA - an ugly manbeast), Keitel and Jodl (both old balls) and Bormann (an obese fugly, uncharismatic nonentity who only rose to power by sucking a fat metaphorical Fuhrer cock).
 
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I created this account on July 4 (not without irony - declaring my independence from the hedonistic Jewnited States of America) and I'm north of 100 posts; in case that trite little jab was made in my direction, which I presume it was. Cheers bru.
 
I created this account on July 4 (not without irony - declaring my independence from the hedonistic Jewnited States of America) and I'm north of 100 posts; in case that trite little jab was made in my direction, which I presume it was. Cheers bru.
No, I mean this thread has a surprisingly large amount of replies.
 
I used to teach this stuff at the undergraduate level and I did my Master's thesis on the collaboration between the Einsatzgruppe operating in the East and various ethnic, nationalist militias whose mutual efforts facilitated the annihilation of approximately one million enemies of the Reich (and humanity). As stated previously, the only serious scholarly work that ever came into publication which attempted to refute the veracity of holocaust historiography was Irving's book Hitler's War. I make the point that was made by many SS officers after the war and members of the much vaunted Odessa organization, that it would be cowardly and hypocritical to deny that which you advocated for and fully executed with such alacrity and fervor, especially considering the denial was only an effort to exculpate yourself from jewish tribunals.

I picked up a copy of Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when I was just a lad in sixth grade and I've been fascinated and inspired by Nazi Germany ever since. I'm also a fan of the Alt-right and believe very strongly in the creation of a white nationalist identity which can be a counter point to BLM, feminism, moral degeneracy and libtards in general. You and I are very much alike comrade, though I will always maintain that we should take collective pride in all the achievements of the Third Reich and not just view history selectively.
That's an appeal to authority. I don't care if any "serious scholarly work" backs up holocaust denial or not, I care about the facts, the evidence, the math, Hitlers actual writings, the amount of the Jews in Axis controlled Europe which doesn't add up to the death figures, etc.
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I suggest for anyone interested in this stuff, look into the documentary 6 million lies, do your own research on this, look at the math, etc. Why are they faking pictures, creating fake chimneys, etc if this supposed genocide of Jews actually happened?
 
Yes it would be all good as long as you are a white, if you were ethnic (80% of this forum) you would be fucked.

i disagree, hitler had immense respect for asians especially the japanese
 
That's an appeal to authority. I don't care if any "serious scholarly work" backs up holocaust denial or not, I care about the facts, the evidence, the math, Hitlers actual writings, the amount of the Jews in Axis controlled Europe which doesn't add up to the death figures, etc. View attachment 26061View attachment 26062

I suggest for anyone interested in this stuff, look into the documentary 6 million lies, do your own research on this, look at the math, etc. Why are they faking pictures, creating fake chimneys, etc if this supposed genocide of Jews actually happened?

It may be an appeal to authority but I could say the same thing if you're going to assert that the sun and the planets orbit the earth, when I would refer you to rudimentary astronomy and the preponderance of empirical data which supports the contrary conclusions. It happens to be a matter that is adjudicated on the basis of the preponderance of the evidence and, in this particular case, your rather ridiculous claim concerning the holocaust not having occurred lacks the kind of scholarly veracity and academic credibility which it requires. The more contrived your case, the greater the weight of evidence you must martial to substantiate it - that is just an axiomatic principle of empiricism.

I've spent my entire adult life studying the history of Nazi Germany. I was going to enroll in a PhD program but couldn't get funding from the department so I dropped out, though had been accepted. I'm not telling you to take my word for it, you needn't stretch your credulity that far. Just go out and read any seminal work on the history of Nazi Germany or anything that pertains to genocide studies or Holocaust studies.

As an aside, I still don't comprehend your reluctance to own up to what the Reich achieved. I for one am proud to stand by all of its great accomplishments and not attempt to rely upon a contrived approach to historical interpretation to appease the sensibilities of a world run by jews.
i disagree, hitler had immense respect for asians especially the japanese

Yes indeed, he also had respect for Baltic peoples, Hungarians, Romanians, Yugoslavians and yes, even Muslims - see the "Handschar Division of the Waffen-SS on this last point. Quite the cosmopolitan of his day.
 
  • It’s highest leadership were all essentially incel type men, though for different reasons – Goering was a morbidly obese morphine addict, Goebbels was a club footed manlet, Himmler looked like the epitome of a lanky jew and even the Fuhrer himself was very probably a life-long virgin and syphilitic through his mother.Despite these impediments, they acquired immense power and prestige through their intellect and rhetorical brilliance.
  • Women were subordinated in every facet of society – they had to attend to the menial tasks which their biology and physiology has suited them for, "kinder, kuchen und kirchen" (kids, cooking and going to Church). No woman ever outranked any man in Nazi Germany, either socially (de facto) or in any of the paramilitary organizations (de jure). Thus, even the lowest ranking man was superior to all women, as it rightly should be.
  • Aryan men who could not find or attract women for whatever reason were permitted to rape subhuman untermenschen type females with impunity both in order to satisfy the basic human need as well as to propagate more Aryan blood lines.
  • Rank and status were not predicated on money nor were they reinforced by ostentatious displays of material wealth, as in the Jewnited States but rather were acquired by honorable and manly service to the state which all self respecting men should strive for.
  • Degeneracy in all of its putrid and corrupting forms was cast out and destroyed by the Nazi party which understood that the people needed to be protected from the perverse influence of modern art, jew propaganda, homosexuality and any other cultural contaminants.
If that’s not enough, also bear in mind that his noble honor, Sir. Elliot Rodger admired the efficiency, glory and power of the mighty Third Reich. Sieg Heil.

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It may be an appeal to authority but I could say the same thing if you're going to assert that the sun and the planets orbit the earth
That's bit of an odd thing to bring up, and bit of an off topic red herring.

I've spent my entire adult life studying the history of Nazi Germany.
So have I. I just don't buy the mainstream narrative on the holocaust, no true national socialist does.

Just go out and read any seminal work on the history of Nazi Germany or anything that pertains to genocide studies or Holocaust studies.
I have, I have studied Germany and The Holocaust years at this point, there is not enough concrete evidence or data to back up the so called "Fact" that there was a targeted genocide on Jews, let alone one that killed 6 million people. It didn't happen.

As an aside, I still don't comprehend your reluctance to own up to what the Reich achieved. I for one am proud to stand by all of its great accomplishments and not attempt to rely upon a contrived approach to historical interpretation to appease the sensibilities of a world run by jews.
This is a slanderous strawman, The Third Reich did many, many, MANY great things, and proved a system like this could work, what I don't understand is why you are buying the mainstream narrative, the big lie, that is not a part of ANY respected National Socialist Movement, or belief system in the Alt Right of this Jewish extermination myth. Its pervasive, harmful to the movement, against history and math itself, against census data, and my paranoid side is wondering if you're by spreading this myth you have some other nefarious agenda to make the movement and political philosophy look bad.

Getting hello my fellow Goyim vibes from this, in order to trick people into openly accepting the lie and praising the false deaths of 6 million Jews to collect upvotes on cucktears or some leftist subreddit.
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That's bit of an odd thing to bring up, and bit of an off topic red herring.


So have I. I just don't buy the mainstream narrative on the holocaust, no true national socialist does.


I have, I have studied Germany and The Holocaust years at this point, there is not enough concrete evidence or data to back up the so called "Fact" that there was a targeted genocide on Jews, let alone one that killed 6 million people. It didn't happen.


This is a slanderous strawman, The Third Reich did many, many, MANY great things, and proved a system like this could work, what I don't understand is why you are buying the mainstream narrative, the big lie, that is not a part of ANY respected National Socialist Movement, or belief system in the Alt Right of this Jewish extermination myth. Its pervasive, harmful to the movement, against history and math itself, against census data, and my paranoid side is wondering if you're by spreading this myth you have some other nefarious agenda to make the movement and political philosophy look bad.

Getting hello my fellow Goyim vibes from this, in order to trick people into openly accepting the lie and praising the false deaths of 6 million Jews to collect upvotes on cucktears or some leftist subreddit.
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It wasn't a red herring, I was attempting to convey the point that if you are going to make unsubstantiated or poorly corroborated assertions (such as a geocentric model of the solar system) then it is incumbent upon you do adduce facts which would lend veracity to such otherwise spurious claims. I regard Holocaust denial to be on the same intellectual level as belief in the supernatural and would therefore demand a very strong showing of empirically testable evidence, absent which, your claims will be dismissed as unfounded and spurious.

It is literally incomprehensible to my mind that you can say something as facile as there being no concrete evidence for the holocaust. I suggest you consult with the court proceedings which were transcribed during the International Military Tribunal at Nuremburg. There is a long series of eye witness accounts, not just from alleged victims, but from perpetrators as well all of which corroborate visual evidence that was admitted into the record in the form of footage taken by the British at Bergen Belsen, the Americans at Dachau and the Soviets at Auschwitz/Birkenau. Additionally, innumerable participants of the genocidal process have freely admitted the extent of their complicity as well as provided insight into the mechanics or operationalization of the Final Solution. I think one of the most edifying and indeed entertaining contributions to this area of primary source work is that of SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer Rudolf Hoess who wrote an autobiographical work titled Commandant of Auschwitz. Hans Frank, Governor-General of Poland and legal consigliere to the Fuhrer also admitted of his own volition knowledge of the camp system which was constructed in eastern Silesia.

I'm not spreading lies, I'm trying to discern how it is you think you're being intellectually honest when discarding a preponderance of historical evidence, scholarship, legal proofs and personal testimonies so as to arrive at a highly contrived conclusion that this event never transpired. I see how you could potentially assert that the majority of Germans, including those serving in the Whermacht and SS were completely unaware of the extent of what was transpiring in the KZ system. You could easily reconcile this with the extent historical record, which I myself have done on innumerable occassions. If you have primary source material and eye witness accounts which confirm your position here then please cite references. As I've said before, you are the one who is arguing for an unconventional and highly eccentric interpretation of history and are therefore obliged to adduce a concommitent level of proofs that lend veracity to your claims.

Finally and if you must know, I am of pure, nordic Aryan decent. My forbearers came from Bavaria, Scandinavia and western Romania. My great uncle served as a Hauptsturmfuhrer in the foreign volunteer section of the Waffen-SS. He subsequently spent time in a Soviet POW camp and later a Gulag for having fought for his Fatherland. I have nothing but extraordinary pride for the achievements of the Third Reich and nowhere will you find a more qualified person to carry on the legacy of National Socialism and the vision of the Fuhrer.

Your insinuations of jewish trickery are beneath my contempt and quite frankly, beneath your intellectual level and will not be dignified with a response.
 
It wasn't a red herring, I was attempting to convey the point that if you are going to make unsubstantiated or poorly corroborated assertions (such as a geocentric model of the solar system) then it is incumbent upon you do adduce facts which would lend veracity to such otherwise spurious claims. I regard Holocaust denial to be on the same intellectual level as belief in the supernatural and would therefore demand a very strong showing of empirically testable evidence, absent which, your claims will be dismissed as unfounded and spurious.
You can regard it however you want, appealing to an authority still isn't a substitute for actual evidence and research. Scientists, and Historians are humans aswell, I know because I was surrounded by em. They are influenced by the mainstream, they regurgitate, and they very rarely do research of their own.

It is literally incomprehensible to my mind that you can say something as facile as there being no concrete evidence for the holocaust. I suggest you consult with the court proceedings which were transcribed during the International Military Tribunal at Nuremburg. There is a long series of eye witness accounts, not just from alleged victims, but from perpetrators as well.
I have, extensively. It was Kangaroo court. Many Nazis in the trial were tortured, promised a place of power, less time, etc. What was said simply does not match the records of what was done. Torture was not even always needed. When you read Nazi 'confessions', you can see that most of those 'confessions' weren't real confessions as they were more 'testimonies' involving others in exchange of a soft penal sentence for the 'confessors' than real confessions involving the confessors themselves. And threats of giving the accused' relatives to the Soviets often did wonders to get providential 'confessions' from captured Nazis.

All of which corroborate visual evidence that was admitted into the record in the form of footage taken by the British at Bergen Belsen, the Americans at Dachau and the Soviets at Auschwitz/Birkenau
Pretty much all the footage, shows people in camps that were starving and dying of disease, not they were actively genocided. I suggest you read these aswell,
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9189
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t990214/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8165

Additionally, innumerable participants of the genocidal process have freely admitted the extent of their complicity as well as provided insight into the mechanics or operationalization of the Final Solution.
Oh boy, well firstly they didn't freely admit anything but secondly, the worlds "Final Solution" implied nothing genocidal or suspect. Some Zionists had been using hte same vocabulary for decades when the victors of WW2 decided for political purposes that the words "Final Solution" could only mean mass murder.

The "Final Solution" was mass deportation. It was always Mass Deportation, and they were rounded up and put in camps awaiting the war to be over so they would get deported, but as the war progressed, and resources became more scarce, their living standards decreased, and disease and starvation spread. Which is where most of the video/imagey of lots of dead bodies and suffering people come from.

I think one of the most edifying and indeed entertaining contributions to this area of primary source work is that of SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer Rudolf Hoess who wrote an autobiographical work titled Commandant of Auschwitz. Hans Frank, Governor-General of Poland and legal consigliere to the Fuhrer also admitted of his own volition knowledge of the camp system which was constructed in eastern Silesia.
Again, camps do not = extermination. We had camps to hold Japs in America, they weren't actively being exterminated were they? As for his "confession" see my above posts and the possibility of this book published in 1956 containing contrary testimony, again I wouldn't trust anything in a negative light of the Nazis written after WW2. The glory of Mein Kampf is that it was published in 1925, and its very easy to find an unedited version of it.

I'm not spreading lies
Not only are you spreading lies, you're spreading mainstream Talmudic Zionist lies, that perpetuate and harm the white race. You're definitely not on my side, you're not on any true National Socialists side, that's for sure.

I'm trying to discern how it is you think you're being intellectually honest when discarding a preponderance of historical evidence, scholarship, legal proofs and personal testimonies so as to arrive at a highly contrived conclusion that this event never transpired.
Again more appeals to authority, we went over this already so i'll make a point. How can a self proclaimed "Nazi" take the side of the allies when they were constantly talked about to be under Jewish control. The soviets who's entire ideology stem from communism which was a Jewish creation, President Franklin Roosevelt who FORCED us into the war via Pearl Harbor when there was extensive support for Germany in America, etc. There's only one side you could be on, and its the enemies.

Finally and if you must know, I am of pure, nordic Aryan decent. My forbearers came from Bavaria, Scandinavia and western Romania. My great uncle served as a Hauptsturmfuhrer in the foreign volunteer section of the Waffen-SS. He subsequently spent time in a Soviet POW camp and later a Gulag for having fought for his Fatherland. I have nothing but extraordinary pride for the achievements of the Third Reich and nowhere will you find a more qualified person to carry on the legacy of National Socialism and the vision of the Fuhrer.
They would be extremely Ashamed and Sickened, to know you have not fallen for one of the biggest mainstream Jewish tricks and Narratives, but are trying to spread this lies as some accomplishment of your people. If you genuinely believe this stuff and aren't just some cucktears bait, lurk /pol/, lurk stormfront, lurk any actual Alt Right or National Socialist forum. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the Holocaust.
 
You can regard it however you want, appealing to an authority still isn't a substitute for actual evidence and research. Scientists, and Historians are humans aswell, I know because I was surrounded by em. They are influenced by the mainstream, they regurgitate, and they very rarely do research of their own.

Well you are simply misinformed on the nature of academia. As someone who has occuppied an academic post in the past and who aspires to do so again in the future I can tell you that producing original work and contributing to one's field of expertise through the median of scholarly journal articles is an essential prerequisite to attaining tenure or even sustaining a tenured track position. As to the argument you keep bantering around about appealing to authority, if there is a preponderance of evidence which clearly demonstrates in an empirically testable manner (that is to say that it is falsifiable) some fact or theoretical proposition then it is the responsibility of those who are attempting to overthrow that proposition to adduce evidence to the contrary. You assert that post-war holocaust scholarship is essentially tainted or contaminated by jewish external influence. If you know anything about holocaust historiography, you'll know that the jewish contributions to extant scholarship didn't begin in earnest until the writings of Hannah Ardent and her profile of Eichmann in The Banality of Evil (and yes, I've read that too).


I have, extensively. It was Kangaroo court. Many Nazis in the trial were tortured, promised a place of power, less time, etc. What was said simply does not match the records of what was done. Torture was not even always needed. When you read Nazi 'confessions', you can see that most of those 'confessions' weren't real confessions as they were more 'testimonies' involving others in exchange of a soft penal sentence for the 'confessors' than real confessions involving the confessors themselves. And threats of giving the accused' relatives to the Soviets often did wonders to get providential 'confessions' from captured Nazis.


If you had argued that the outcome of the proceedings at the IMT was undermined by virtue of a fundamentally prejudiced and inequitable juridical process then I would have vigorously concurred with your analysis. Unfortunately, your argument relies upon factual distortions which strike me as so implausible they don't even warrant serious consideration. Notwithstanding that, I will not have you say that I'm evasive so let me just be concise here. The Allies knew that German nationalists, fascists and those who admired the achievements of the Reich would retrospectively attempt to revise the historical record, that is precisely why they didn't permit Comrade General Nikitchenko and his bolshevik ilk to dominate the proceedings or establish the legal framework. The principles which motivated the adjudicative process at Nuremberg were derived from western jurisprudence while also co-opting elements of the German legal system. The accused were afforded lawyers, whom they were permitted to select themselves even if the attorney chosen had prior affiliation with the NSDAP, SS,SA or any other "criminal" organization. Evidence was submitted by both sides and evaluated for its veracity, credibility and probative value. Cross examination was likewise permitted and witnesses could be subject to the interrogatories of both sides. These are the incontrovertible facts as they have been established by the trial record itself. If you want to challenge the integrity of that document, then by all means do so, but at a certain point in time, everything becomes subject to your cynical and conspiratorial manner of construing it and you have no basis for objectively arbitrating validity.

I watched the video which you referenced but it has no material application or relevance to our discussion. The men who were arraigned by the IMT were not mentally or cognitively defective, on the contrary they were almost exclusively representative of the highest IQ band. Many of them were extremely well acquainted with the nuance of the legal system as they had either drafted legislation or were lawyers themselves. The implication that these highly sophisticated, intellectually gifted men of Machiavellian quality were somehow deceived into making self incriminating statements is beyond ridiculous and quite honestly is an insult to the dignity of these great and noble heroes of the Reich.


Pretty much all the footage, shows people in camps that were starving and dying of disease, not they were actively genocided. I suggest you read these aswell,
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9189
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t990214/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8165

The crematorium and shower facilities along with corresponding canisters of Zyklon B were conspicuous in the footage that was archived by the Soviets at Auschwitz. Hoess's testimony corroborates the dispositive elements which were featured in this footage, as does much of the testimony that was admitted into evidence during the subsequent "Doctor's trial" as well as the "Ministries Trial". Documentation of the efforts made to completely annihilate all traces of the machinery of extermination was likewise admitted and validated by the testimony of both Hoess and Standartenfuhrer Paul Blobel, with whom the former consulted for purposes of acquiring expert opinion on matters of evidence obliteration. Blobel had been charged by Himmler through the RSHA to dig up the mass graves in the operational area of EG C in and around the area of the Babi Yar ravine so that the oncoming Soviet front would not acquire any damning materials that could later be used to justify the type of criminal barbarism which the Soviets ended up engaging in anyways after crossing the Vistula in early 45.

Oh boy, well firstly they didn't freely admit anything but secondly, the worlds "Final Solution" implied nothing genocidal or suspect. Some Zionists had been using hte same vocabulary for decades when the victors of WW2 decided for political purposes that the words "Final Solution" could only mean mass murder.

Please see the minutes of the Wansee conference for unambiguous confirmation of the semantic misunderstanding which you seem to be suffering from. While much of the language used during that proceeding was deliberately euphamistic, you can clearly discern that the intent was the physical annihilation of the jews. It's been a while since I've read that particular document, but I believe it comes out in an exchange between Heydrich (who was chairing the conference) and Staatsekretar Martin Luther (Ribbentrop's deputy).

The "Final Solution" was mass deportation. It was always Mass Deportation, and they were rounded up and put in camps awaiting the war to be over so they would get deported, but as the war progressed, and resources became more scarce, their living standards decreased, and disease and starvation spread. Which is where most of the video/imagey of lots of dead bodies and suffering people come from.

That's one interpretation, which is unsupported by the evidentiary record. You could say that the final solution was administered in an incremental manner and therefore, the first elements of your statement wouldn't be inconsistent, but they would merely be precursors to the last stage which was intended to transpire in the secrecy of the "Operation Reinhard" camps of Poland - Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, etc.


Again, camps do not = extermination. We had camps to hold Japs in America, they weren't actively being exterminated were they? As for his "confession" see my above posts and the possibility of this book published in 1956 containing contrary testimony, again I wouldn't trust anything in a negative light of the Nazis written after WW2. The glory of Mein Kampf is that it was published in 1925, and its very easy to find an unedited version of it.

The fact that the US maintained internment camps for the Japanese (as well as Germans, you should know) is irrelevant to the veracity of the claim that German camps were only meant to quarentine and hold jews indefinitely. Hoess's memoirs were published posthumously but that doesn't somehow negate or invalidate the legitimacy and authenticity of what he wrote ten years prior.


Not only are you spreading lies, you're spreading mainstream Talmudic Zionist lies, that perpetuate and harm the white race. You're definitely not on my side, you're not on any true National Socialists side, that's for sure.

I am a National Socialist but I'm also an academic, an intellectual and someone who has nothing but the greatest contempt for those who are unwilling or unable to accept the most glorious page in the history of the German people. Nazism is a zero sum game my friend, either you take it as is, in its entirety or not at all. You can't just interpret it's ideology or its accomplishments selectively as doing so is being disengenuous to the record as well as to posterity. And to get some insight into the fondness of affection I have for the kikes and their various machinations, I suggest you merely peruse some of my latest contributions to these boards.


Again more appeals to authority, we went over this already so i'll make a point. How can a self proclaimed "Nazi" take the side of the allies when they were constantly talked about to be under Jewish control. The soviets who's entire ideology stem from communism which was a Jewish creation, President Franklin Roosevelt who FORCED us into the war via Pearl Harbor when there was extensive support for Germany in America, etc. There's only one side you could be on, and its the enemies.

This bit is almost incomprehensible. In case you haven't noticed, I' not trying to use evidence as an indictment of the NSDAP, but rather as a point of pride. For fucks sake man, at least have the courage of your convictions and assert with confidence that the war against the jews was nearly won by our noble for-bearers.


They would be extremely Ashamed and Sickened, to know you have not fallen for one of the biggest mainstream Jewish tricks and Narratives, but are trying to spread this lies as some accomplishment of your people. If you genuinely believe this stuff and aren't just some cucktears bait, lurk /pol/, lurk stormfront, lurk any actual Alt Right or National Socialist forum. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the Holocaust.

My ancestors would probably make sure that you were selected for special treatment for your contemptuous attitude of incredulity towards our people's greatest accomplishments. They would be profoundly proud of my status as a self-respecting, well educated and successful Aryan man who is doing his utmost to disseminate a message that is both compelling and convincing without being disingenuous to the facts. As for the sites which you reference, I think its deliciously ironic that you should refer me to source material that an earlier post of yours was contemptuous of for its ignorance and general depravity of mind (see the traditional vs neo-Nazi image you posted).
 
Well you are simply misinformed on the nature of academia.
I really am not, I was studying to become an Evolutionary Biologist and Psychologist, I actually got kicked out and never got certification because I argued and disagreed with things that had no factual bearing. I was able to study and be around a lot of people who were more "qualified" than I am in these fields. Obviously my main drive or focus wasn't being a Historian, but Academia, and Modern Science are far too overly praised and not looked at with objective empirical eyes. They make plenty of mistakes, fall down selfish rabbit holes, make assumptions, etc. Taking a look at studies is a big indicator of this, considering 50% of just about every single study cannot be replicated, meaning that 50% of studies are mostly bullshit.

As someone who has occuppied an academic post in the past and who aspires to do so again in the future I can tell you that producing original work and contributing to one's field of expertise through the median of scholarly journal articles is an essential prerequisite to attaining tenure or even sustaining a tenured track position.
And I can tell you from my own experience that some of these "original works" and "Contributions" are nothing more than regurgitations and circle jerking, to get approval from the older and more "experienced" and "tenured" members of the field. A lot of work which seems to suggest contrary evidence, theories, etc are often throwed out, and people are shunned from these academic fields. This is not just with Historians, this happens in Biology, Archaeology, etc. A lot of modern institutions are corrupt and are full of people in castles made of straw.

As to the argument you keep bantering around about appealing to authority, if there is a preponderance of evidence which clearly demonstrates in an empirically testable manner (that is to say that it is falsifiable) some fact or theoretical proposition then it is the responsibility of those who are attempting to overthrow that proposition to adduce evidence to the contrary. You assert that post-war holocaust scholarship is essentially tainted or contaminated by jewish external influence. If you know anything about holocaust historiography, you'll know that the jewish contributions to extant scholarship didn't begin in earnest until the writings of Hannah Ardent and her profile of Eichmann in The Banality of Evil (and yes, I've read that too).
Jewish Influence in the west (specifically America, and Russia) was happening for years before the end of WW2, the same people perpetuating and throwing around the false numbers of the holocaust for example were throwing out the 6 million number long before WW2 even started. It's a Talmudic number.
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Funnily enough this isn't the first time in history they've lied about Jewish genocide, there was also Rome
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Where they made the claim that the Romans slaughtered 40 million Jews, despite the fact there weren't even that many Jews in the entire world, very similar to the fact that there were only 4.5 Million Jews under Axis control, meaning not only would they had to round up literally every single Jew, they would have had to import 1.5 million Jews just to be exterminated and THEN some to Survive to tell the tale. I mean this is just nonsense.


If you had argued that the outcome of the proceedings at the IMT was undermined by virtue of a fundamentally prejudiced and inequitable juridical process then I would have vigorously concurred with your analysis. Unfortunately, your argument relies upon factual distortions which strike me as so implausible they don't even warrant serious consideration. Notwithstanding that, I will not have you say that I'm evasive so let me just be concise here. The Allies knew that German nationalists, fascists and those who admired the achievements of the Reich would retrospectively attempt to revise the historical record, that is precisely why they didn't permit Comrade General Nikitchenko and his bolshevik ilk to dominate the proceedings or establish the legal framework. The principles which motivated the adjudicative process at Nuremberg were derived from western jurisprudence while also co-opting elements of the German legal system. The accused were afforded lawyers, whom they were permitted to select themselves even if the attorney chosen had prior affiliation with the NSDAP, SS,SA or any other "criminal" organization. Evidence was submitted by both sides and evaluated for its veracity, credibility and probative value. Cross examination was likewise permitted and witnesses could be subject to the interrogatories of both sides. These are the incontrovertible facts as they have been established by the trial record itself. If you want to challenge the integrity of that document, then by all means do so, but at a certain point in time, everything becomes subject to your cynical and conspiratorial manner of construing it and you have no basis for objectively arbitrating validity.
None of this matters, why are you trusting the validity of a court or trial from an opposing side with prisoners of war. Did you even read anything I posted in my last post? This was a Kangaroo Court, this wasn't a fair trial in an objective system. This was the enemy, slandering the German people, and coercing them to lie, even tho there wasn't really any testimonies about anything wrong other than a few people who could have easily been coerced by the enemy. It makes the allies look good to portray the enemy as Genociding Monsters, when they were nothing of the sort. They did NOT exterminate the Jews, The Trials don't prove this. Germany even had the least amount of civilian rapes, aswell as a myriad of other different factors.

Show me ACTUAL Evidence of Mass Extermination of The Jews, show me the gas chambers, show me how its possible to burn as many Jews as they were purported to do, show me these supposed mass graves despite the fact no ash or bone fragments have been found. I mean I just realized this is a pretty moot argument if you're going to just keep pointing to Historian and bullshit Allied propaganda courts.

I watched the video which you referenced but it has no material application or relevance to our discussion.
This is just willful ignorance.

The men who were arraigned by the IMT were not mentally or cognitively defective, on the contrary they were almost exclusively representative of the highest IQ band.
You clearly didn't watch the video then, or rather you didn't pay attention to it. They don't NEED to be mentally or cognitively defective to give false confessions.

The implication that these highly sophisticated, intellectually gifted men of Machiavellian quality were somehow deceived into making self incriminating statements is beyond ridiculous and quite honestly is an insult to the dignity of these great and noble heroes of the Reich.
Don't bullshit, they were still human, humans at their core are flawed. There are coercive methods, and torturous methods to make people confess, especially in this Allied controlled scenario where these men were. If they caught Hitler, they probably could have gotten him through extensive torture or other methods to admit to anything. I'm sorry, but these Testimonies don't mean squat, hard evidence is what matters, and none of this is empirical, and has flaws.

The crematorium and shower facilities along with corresponding canisters of Zyklon B were conspicuous in the footage that was archived by the Soviets at Auschwitz.
Ah yes the Soviets, the masters of propaganda and lies, the number 1 enemy to the Nazi's. Let's believe everything they say at face value, oh wait no, lets not.

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As for Zyklon B, we went over this to a degree. Typhus. It was a bug spray created for lice which spread Typhus, which was happening, en masse because of allied bombings of supply lines.
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That's one interpretation, which is unsupported by the evidentiary record. You could say that the final solution was administered in an incremental manner and therefore, the first elements of your statement wouldn't be inconsistent, but they would merely be precursors to the last stage which was intended to transpire in the secrecy of the "Operation Reinhard" camps of Poland - Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, etc.
What evidence is that? Because you don't seem to be posting any. This so called "interpretation" is only unsupported by the mainstream Jewish narrative which is to slander the German people and the National Socialist Party as a Genocidal Maniacs, something that has no evidence to back it up, other than questionable confessions, soviet propaganda, and mainstream historians which regurgitate the following? Nice, real nice. Also none of the camps you mentioned were genocide camps either.
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Hoess's memoirs were published posthumously but that doesn't somehow negate or invalidate the legitimacy and authenticity of what he wrote ten years prior.
It does, when all evidence points to the contrary.

I am a National Socialist but I'm also an academic
Considering the absolute state of Modern (((Academia))), you sure are a Good Goy.

An intellectual and someone who has nothing but the greatest contempt for those who are unwilling or unable to accept the most glorious page in the history of the German people.
I hold nothing but contempt for those who larp under the National Socialist banner yet spew the greatest Jewish lie of the past century, and I find your motives extremely questionable to be spewing this Jewish Revisionist history that is contrary to all empirical evidence.

Nazism is a zero sum game my friend, either you take it as is, in its entirety or not at all.
Nice projecting dude, you first buddy, i'm not going to accept your Twisted Talmudic Jewish version of National Socialism that nobody in my movement accepts. Show me any accepted National Socialist that believes or at least doesn't extensively question the voracity of the holocaust. At best you might find some brainlet white nigger skinhead who says we should kill all niggers and Jews and is glad we enslaved niggers and killed Jews. This is the level you want us to stoop to apparently, and this is exactly what the left and the Jews want us to do.

You can't just interpret it's ideology or its accomplishments selectively as doing so is being disengenuous to the record as well as to posterity. And to get some insight into the fondness of affection I have for the kikes and their various machinations, I suggest you merely peruse some of my latest contributions to these boards.
And I suggest you pursue and look into actual National Socialism instead of this twisted Larp that is doing nothing but harm.

This bit is almost incomprehensible. In case you haven't noticed, I' not trying to use evidence as an indictment of the NSDAP, but rather as a point of pride. For fucks sake man, at least have the courage of your convictions and assert with confidence that the war against the jews was nearly won by our noble for-bearers.
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My ancestors would probably make sure that you were selected for special treatment for your contemptuous attitude of incredulity towards our people's greatest accomplishments. They would be profoundly proud of my status as a self-respecting, well educated and successful Aryan man who is doing his utmost to disseminate a message that is both compelling and convincing without being disingenuous to the facts.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to make yourself feel better for being a Shabbos Goy dude.

As for the sites which you reference, I think its deliciously ironic that you should refer me to source material that an earlier post of yours was contemptuous of for its ignorance and general depravity of mind (see the traditional vs neo-Nazi image you posted).
The sites that I reference, have nothing to do with the groups on the right of this image, even if they adopt some similar symbols. It's referring to the Skinheads, and 30 year old boomers who adopt it just to adopt it, instead of reading any actual philosophy. They do it for gang symbols, to be edgy, and status.
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If anything, your tactics and logic seem to align much more so with them and the type of negative results they'd garner towards the true NatSoc, and White Nationalist movements.
 
Great thread, brother. Jews are deceitful, satan-worshipping scum, who stop at nothing until they achieve complete global domination. As you probably can guess, this site isn't immune from kike control/influence. No one will provide substance to their "high iq" arguments. Just letting you know I support ya, man.
 
Great thread, brother. Jews are deceitful, satan-worshipping scum, who stop at nothing until they achieve complete global domination. As you probably can guess, this site isn't immune from kike control/influence. No one will provide substance to their "high iq" arguments. Just letting you know I support ya, man.

Thank you my brother in arms. I'm actually trying to bring together and unify the ideological precepts of National Socialism and the objectives and aspirations of the incel community. Much like Wahabism, Sharia law, Islamic Jihad and the many permutations of it (Hezbollah, PLO, Hamas, ISIS, etc), Nazism in its most essential and unadulterated form relegated women to a completely subservient role to all men, regardless of the socio-economic condition or aesthetic appeal of a particular man. The forces of Islam and particularly those of Jihad take even more extreme and in my opinion, necessary measures by reducing women to chattel which is held as personal property analogous to pets or vehicles. I think if this community ever wants to expand into an actual political movement, we must find common cause and unify our agenda with our comrades on the far right as well as reactionary Islamic militants. The trick will be to remain reputationally immune from the insinuation that we are terrorists, but then again its all about optics and talking points. Sieg Heil comrade.
 
Freedomcucks and democracycucks are pathetic
 
I really am not, I was studying to become an Evolutionary Biologist and Psychologist, I actually got kicked out and never got certification because I argued and disagreed with things that had no factual bearing. I was able to study and be around a lot of people who were more "qualified" than I am in these fields. Obviously my main drive or focus wasn't being a Historian, but Academia, and Modern Science are far too overly praised and not looked at with objective empirical eyes. They make plenty of mistakes, fall down selfish rabbit holes, make assumptions, etc. Taking a look at studies is a big indicator of this, considering 50% of just about every single study cannot be replicated, meaning that 50% of studies are mostly bullshit.

The point of publishing and producing original work isn't to validate and substantiate the extant scholarship in the field it is to add new findings which either confirm or repudiate the original material. While history is dissimilar from your own academic training and background in the sense that it doesn't rely upon an interpretive rubric which derives from the pure application of scientific method, it does rely upon empiricism and the assumption that any historical theory can be falsified if the necessary proofs are adduced. Whether your a research scientist in biology or an historian who is seeking to publish, the most laudable professional objective you can achieve is to overthrow existing theory and practice, as this would establish an entirely new interpretive paradigm. Look at Einstein's theory of general relativity and the absolutely cathartic effect it had on its theoretical precursor - Newtonian physics. Your assertion that a large percentage of academic work merely serves to uphold and sustain some dogmatic adherence to established paradigms is both counter intuitive and antithetical to the precepts of intellectual honesty and academic integrity.


And I can tell you from my own experience that some of these "original works" and "Contributions" are nothing more than regurgitations and circle jerking, to get approval from the older and more "experienced" and "tenured" members of the field. A lot of work which seems to suggest contrary evidence, theories, etc are often throwed out, and people are shunned from these academic fields. This is not just with Historians, this happens in Biology, Archaeology, etc. A lot of modern institutions are corrupt and are full of people in castles made of straw.

Your conflating the type of work that is produced under direct supervision such as a masters thesis with truly original contributions to a particular field of study. A doctoral dissertation has the quality of originality and possesses sufficient independent intellectual momentum and insight that it is considered to be an original piece of intellectual work product and non-derivative, hence the need for a doctoral committee in addition to the faculty members who will directly supervise the aspiring PhD's work for candidacy. I won't disagree that there is some level of reinforcement and recapitulation which does occur in the academic domain, but this type of material is not valued as original in its thesis or propositions and thus does not command the same probative value when placed in the context of its relevant field.


Jewish Influence in the west (specifically America, and Russia) was happening for years before the end of WW2, the same people perpetuating and throwing around the false numbers of the holocaust for example were throwing out the 6 million number long before WW2 even started. It's a Talmudic number.
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This is numerology which has the same degree of scientific validity and internal veracity as astrology or "intelligent design", which is to say that it is a psudo-science and falls beyond the pale of what we can accept as empirical proof. Are you likewise an advocate of and proponent for crypto zoology? The mind searches for meaning and a bad explanation is better then none at all. Don't let your subconscious deceive you into embracing something that you ought not give serious consideration to. As someone who is scientifically trained, this particular point of yours is disappointing to me and again, is far beneath both my as well as your, intellectual level.

Funnily enough this isn't the first time in history they've lied about Jewish genocide, there was also Rome
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Where they made the claim that the Romans slaughtered 40 million Jews, despite the fact there weren't even that many Jews in the entire world, very similar to the fact that there were only 4.5 Million Jews under Axis control, meaning not only would they had to round up literally every single Jew, they would have had to import 1.5 million Jews just to be exterminated and THEN some to Survive to tell the tale. I mean this is just nonsense.

I'm well aware of the repercussions of the first jewish war against the Romans and the concomitant siege of Masada and subsequent mass suicide of the Zealots themselves. If you want me to take your assertions seriously then I kindly ask that you start citing material that has some intellectual credibility to it. I will say that if this information is contained somewhere in the annals of the Pentateuch, then it wouldn't at all surprise me considering the amazing array of miraculous and preposterous occurrences which transpire throughout the entirety of that pseudo-historical narrative. Remember, this is the same document which claims that Mosses possessed supernatural and even divinely anointed powers, that numerous persons were living to an age comparable to that of Yoda and his species and that the otherwise insignificant and militarily powerless tribe of Israel were able to vanquish and annihilate all their foes with equal alacrity thanks to the blessings of their fiendish god. I think you can say that such source material is internally inconsistent and self-discrediting.



None of this matters, why are you trusting the validity of a court or trial from an opposing side with prisoners of war. Did you even read anything I posted in my last post? This was a Kangaroo Court, this wasn't a fair trial in an objective system. This was the enemy, slandering the German people, and coercing them to lie, even tho there wasn't really any testimonies about anything wrong other than a few people who could have easily been coerced by the enemy. It makes the allies look good to portray the enemy as Genociding Monsters, when they were nothing of the sort. They did NOT exterminate the Jews, The Trials don't prove this. Germany even had the least amount of civilian rapes, aswell as a myriad of other different factors.

If this was/is a con job then it would be the greatest and most incredible con in the history of civilization. I am legally trained in addition to my background in history and as a lawyer (though admittedly not barred), I can tell you that the proceedings at Nuremberg conformed very precisely to the spirit and letter of international law as it existed at that time. The juridical procedures that were established as precedent in 1945-46 still serve as the principle template for subsequent iterations of that court that have tried alleged criminals as geographically and ideologically disparate as Serbian generals, Bosniak politicians, Hutu militia commanders, former Revolutionary United Front leaders and those active in the LRA in Uganda. Again, the most I will grant you is that the victors write history and in the words of Herman Goering himself, the victors are always the judges, the vanquished the accused.

Show me ACTUAL Evidence of Mass Extermination of The Jews, show me the gas chambers, show me how its possible to burn as many Jews as they were purported to do, show me these supposed mass graves despite the fact no ash or bone fragments have been found. I mean I just realized this is a pretty moot argument if you're going to just keep pointing to Historian and bullshit Allied propaganda courts.

If you want proof, I recommend that you spend more time perusing the archival records of the IMT which include a comprehensive selection of records that were produced by the German government itself inclusive of policy conferences, military planning briefings and orders disseminated from the highest levels of the party, SS and government, all of which independently corroborate the testimony proffered by the prosecution at Nuremberg. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp


This is just willful ignorance.

That is you misinformed opinion and an effort to discredit my objectivity in these matters.


You clearly didn't watch the video then, or rather you didn't pay attention to it. They don't NEED to be mentally or cognitively defective to give false confessions.

Yes I saw that part but that in no way undermines the substance of my earlier assertions regarding the fact that these men were not your typical criminal suspects and to extrapolate the conclusions of that social scientist featured in the video who was talking about your average american who had been charged with some type of criminal activity to men who by virtue of intellect, experience and position are fundamentally impervious to these tactics is just farcical. It's a false equivalence for you to even insinuate that the rulers of the Reich were so mentally and cognitively decrepit that they were susceptible to the types of cheap tricks that happen to have some measurable effect on below average Americans who are stupid enough to have been caught committing some civil infraction in the first place. You are insulting the memory of my glorious ancestors and personal heroes and I find it to be incredibly distasteful.


Don't bullshit, they were still human, humans at their core are flawed. There are coercive methods, and torturous methods to make people confess, especially in this Allied controlled scenario where these men were. If they caught Hitler, they probably could have gotten him through extensive torture or other methods to admit to anything. I'm sorry, but these Testimonies don't mean squat, hard evidence is what matters, and none of this is empirical, and has flaws.

You assume what you have to prove as you have a tendency to do here by saying that the integrity of their confessions was compromised by some application of extrajudicial methods. If the Soviets had control over the custodial process at Nuremberg then you may have some right to impute this type of nefarious and underhanded tactic but, it was the American military police in collaboration with British intelligence who maintained a presence in the actual cell blocks. Neither of these units has any record of having engaged in or abetted any type of activity which could either quality as criminal or constitute some sort of scandalous effrontery to conventional ethical sensibilities.


Ah yes the Soviets, the masters of propaganda and lies, the number 1 enemy to the Nazi's. Let's believe everything they say at face value, oh wait no, lets not.

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The Germans built the extermination camps in the east so that they could actively conceal their operation and existence from the average citizen of the Reich. This plays in to the plausible deniability argument which I've been attempting to integrate into my historical and philosophical dialogue with you. As you know, the Soviets advanced in to Poland and in the process of doing so uncovered the remains of the Auschwitz complex which the SS had failed to completely destroy. Again, I'm not going to dismiss your proofs completely but if you want to effectively repudiate the existing factual record then the magnitude of the proofs and their veracity must be unimpeachable.

As for Zyklon B, we went over this to a degree. Typhus. It was a bug spray created for lice which spread Typhus, which was happening, en masse because of allied bombings of supply lines.
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That doesn't account for the design features which were built in to the original schematics that were drawn up by SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Karl Bischoff which included air tight doors for the shower facilities, exterior access points on the roof suitable for the deployment of chemicals, large drains in the floor to accommodate the inevitable soiling and bodily discharge which asphyxiation tends to induce and the elevators which were placed so as to optimize the efficiency of processing bodies by expediting the time it took to convey them to the crematorium located in the same facility.


What evidence is that? Because you don't seem to be posting any. This so called "interpretation" is only unsupported by the mainstream Jewish narrative which is to slander the German people and the National Socialist Party as a Genocidal Maniacs, something that has no evidence to back it up, other than questionable confessions, soviet propaganda, and mainstream historians which regurgitate the following? Nice, real nice. Also none of the camps you mentioned were genocide camps either.
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Read The Good Old Days which is a collection of diaries that represent first hand accounts of the participants of the final solution. You will find entries which reflect both on the machinery of genocide and its functional utility within the context of the KZ setting as well as reflections from SS personnel who were attached to the various Einsatzgruppen operating behind German lines during Barbarossa. I don't have the same disdain for genocide as you evidently do, in point of fact I think it adds to the mystique and allure of historical actors, states and organizations, some of which I've cited above in the section concerning the IMT. The Serbs in Yugoslavia were men of conviction and determination, precisely because they had the requisite fortitude to do what was necessary to cleanse areas that had been occupied by non-Serbian demographics and which were essentially proxies of western democratic powers who sought to contaminate and infest the pure Serbian culture with judeo-capitalist filth just as they've done elsewhere. I could make the same point about the LRA or the Hutu's, both of which employed genocide as a sound strategic weapon against their more feeble and less determined adversaries.




Considering the absolute state of Modern (((Academia))), you sure are a Good Goy.

Ad hominem innuendo, unworthy of being dignified by an intelligent response.


I hold nothing but contempt for those who larp under the National Socialist banner yet spew the greatest Jewish lie of the past century, and I find your motives extremely questionable to be spewing this Jewish Revisionist history that is contrary to all empirical evidence.

This isn't about some ideological difference between you and I. This is about both of us being to obstinate to concede the veracity and validity of the others proofs because it is a matter of personal pride when you subjectively assign intellectual merit and probative value to a particular theory. I have admittedly been trained by and am therefore a product of mainstream academic institutions. For better or for worse, those places of higher learning are the closest thing we have to a dispassionate and objective process of evaluating testable material and acquiring greater knowledge that enhances our understanding of the world. For me to embrace your assertions would be tantamount to repudiating the inherent value of a conventional education and calling in to question the integrity of every theory, thesis and postulation ever addused under the rubric of the academic process. If you want me to abandon myself the fringe theories and dissociate completely from the academy, of which I have been a part for many years, then you had better have proofs that are literally irrefragible in their certitude and irrefutable in their evidentiary quality.


Nice projecting dude, you first buddy, i'm not going to accept your Twisted Talmudic Jewish version of National Socialism that nobody in my movement accepts. Show me any accepted National Socialist that believes or at least doesn't extensively question the voracity of the holocaust. At best you might find some brainlet white nigger skinhead who says we should kill all niggers and Jews and is glad we enslaved niggers and killed Jews. This is the level you want us to stoop to apparently, and this is exactly what the left and the Jews want us to do.

I'm not going to assimilate myself to a revisionist historical narrative just because some ignoramus with a swasi tattooed across his face and a leather jacket with sig runes on the back tells me that this is the only pathway to intellectual liberation from the artificial construct imposed by the NWO. Ask yourself the honest question; who are the people that propagate this martial and how compelling would their motivation be to distort and contrive the original source material so as to enhance their own ideological appeal. Taking the information that comes from neo-Nazi type sites at face value would be analogous to accepting the legal assertions of the founding members of Zionism and validating their claim to land in the Levant simply because a subjective interpretation of their own theological dogma lends itself to that conclusion.


And I suggest you pursue and look into actual National Socialism instead of this twisted Larp that is doing nothing but harm.

I'm not the one who is acting as a minister of mis-information, deception and historically contrived interpretations of incontrovertible fact. I am more of a national socialist then you could ever hope to be. I possess both the biological pedigree as well as the requisite ideological knowledge and rhetorical skill to influence those who might be turned to our cause.



The sites that I reference, have nothing to do with the groups on the right of this image, even if they adopt some similar symbols. It's referring to the Skinheads, and 30 year old boomers who adopt it just to adopt it, instead of reading any actual philosophy. They do it for gang symbols, to be edgy, and status.
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If anything, your tactics and logic seem to align much more so with them and the type of negative results they'd garner towards the true NatSoc, and White Nationalist movements.

My methods are not tactical in any way, as this would imply that I'm trying to achieve some tangible goal either ideological or otherwise. I am merely stating the evidence as I understand it to be true and providing well reasoned arguments which substantiate my interpretations of the primary source material which is what I dare say you are trying to do. Let's just put our differences aside and agree that we both share very similar philosophical outlooks and aspire to bring into fruition the same objectives. The ends always justify the means and if we have to move in a direction which necessitates a reconciling of our interpretive differences, then so be it.
 
At least half of us would be sent to the gas chambers for being the Untermensh
 
So I guess my Nazi great uncle being an SS instructor was paid by the jews for falls claims.
 
I'd be dead, so I'm all for it tbh.
 
The point of publishing and producing original work isn't to validate and substantiate the extant scholarship in the field it is to add new findings which either confirm or repudiate the original material.
It sure shouldn't be, but to a degree these "new findings" can do just that. Depending on the subject matter and academic field, i've seen a few examples of "New Findings" being minimal and drawn out, and are just that, to validate and substantiate the existing narratives.

In Biology for example, there is serious shunning, at any evidence or data which would seem to indicate racial differences, racial superiority, gender superiority, etc, which is absolutely insane by the way. I've heard similar situations with Archaeologists who seem to find or want to research the possibility of ancient advanced civilizations, evolutionary biologists who want to research other theories or possibilities of how evolution started, people who question the validity of mainstream science, history, or archaeology, even if they're qualified to be in that field, see shunning, blacklisting, less access to funds, research equipment, etc. This leads a lot of people to stick in a cookie cutter format to make more money, to get funding, etc, even if they know or suspect they could be doing research into things that might lead to something better or the truth.

I'm sorry, but you're being extremely naive if you believe that mainstream Academic fields that involve research, especially in this modern day and age aren't corrupted and twisted. It's all about who is in power aswell, at its core this is a Jewish thing, this is a post war, post modern, Marxist, KGB infiltrated world. National Socialism, especially in its modern form stems from the fact, that there is a conspiracy of wealthy Ashkenazi Supremacist Jewish Fundamentalists, who influence The Media, Academia, The Government, The Banks, Secret Societies, via Marxism, and monetary influence. I wont quote the rest your bits focusing on this because I believe this covers it pretty well.

This is numerology which has the same degree of scientific validity and internal veracity as astrology or "intelligent design", which is to say that it is a psudo-science and falls beyond the pale of what we can accept as empirical proof. Are you likewise an advocate of and proponent for crypto zoology? The mind searches for meaning and a bad explanation is better then none at all. Don't let your subconscious deceive you into embracing something that you ought not give serious consideration to. As someone who is scientifically trained, this particular point of yours is disappointing to me and again, is far beneath both my as well as your, intellectual level.
Is English not your first language or something? That would explain a lot, this isn't about seeing some hidden meaning from the number 6 million, this is about the fact that in the Talmud, and in Jewish run newspapers and media, they were talking about 6 million Jews, and a genocide before even any knowledge of concentration camps.

All evidence would seem to suggest only about 200,000-300,000 Jews died because of Typhus, Dysentery, and Starvation died in these camps. Not 1 million, not 2 million, and most definitely not 6 million.



"The actual number of Jews under the German regime never exceeded 4.5 million

The number of Jews under German administration can be deduced from pre-war Jewish population statistics, the Wannsee Protokoll, the Korherr Report from the Wartime German Office of Statistics and research, and by serious demographers as Prof. W.N. Sanning (Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Institute for Historical Review. 1989. ISBN 0-939484-11-0. German translation: Die Auflösung des osteuropäische Judentum. 1983. © Grabert-Verlag, Tübingen. ISBN 3-87847-06-02.), dr. C. Nordling (The Jewish Establishment under Nazi-Threat and Domination, 1938-1945. 1990. The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 10, no. 2, p. 195, ISSN 0195-6752), Prof. F. Hankins, (How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? 1983. The Journal of Historical Review, 1990. Vol. 4, no. 1, p. 61. ISSN 0195-6752), as well as surveys, studies and statements by other independent experts.
Jewish population statistics indicate at the beginning of the War (1939) around 9 million European Jews: 8,861,800, 8,939,608 (American Jewish Congress (figure) and 9.3 million. This also included Jews in the European part of Russia (3,020,143) and Ukraine. Historian Yehuda Bauer of the Yad Vashem memorial in Israel too spoke of nine million Jews in Europe (A History of the Holocaust, New York: Franklin Watts, 1982, ISBN 0-531-098621). This makes 9 million Jews in Europe in 1939 a fair assumption."


This is accepted, meaning that they would have to import 1.5 million Jews just to be exterminated, and and then some to survive to tell the tale. This is all Occams Razor really.



If you want me to take your assertions seriously then I kindly ask that you start citing material that has some intellectual credibility to it.
I'm not really exactly sure what you mean by this, I can cite a lot of things, i'm not sure if they'll have "Intellectual Credibility" by your Jewish Academic Standards, whatever twisted Talmudic appeal to authority that is, but they're factual, and they do have credibility.

Remember, this is the same document which claims that Mosses possessed supernatural and even divinely anointed powers, that numerous persons were living to an age comparable to that of Yoda and his species and that the otherwise insignificant and militarily powerless tribe of Israel were able to vanquish and annihilate all their foes with equal alacrity thanks to the blessings of their fiendish god. I think you can say that such source material is internally inconsistent and self-discrediting.
Firstly, no, you're thinking The Walking Torah/Old Testament, not the Talmud. I am probably the most well versed on Abrahamic theology on this website. I've been studying this more so than anything, even before biology, when I was a teenager. The Jews of bible are not the same Jews of the Talmud, and of Today, for example even Jesus would not be in the same ilk as the modern Ashkenazi Jews. He was a Galilean, and a Judahite (A Descendent of the Tribe of Judah), The Judeans of prominence in the New Testament, are not the Jews of the old testament, but Edomites, they were mongrel stock of Canaanites and Edomites, by 120 BC they were living near the outskirts of Israel.

In the bible itself it says, "Ye are of your father the devil", it calls them fake Jews, they are synonymous with the word "pharisees", it says they are the "Synagogue of Satan". These modern day "Jews" stole the identity of the old Testament Israelites. They are not the same.

In that context you may be wondering why this matters, well because, their main book and difference, the thing that seperates them, and makes them so dangerous, is the Talmud.

The Talmud is this Nu Jewish text, that encourages lying, deception, infiltration, says its okay to rape a goyim little girl, its okay to do pretty much anything to the Goyim, etc. This evil book is the core of Ashkenazi Supremacist, Jewish Fundamentalism, and is their core ideology and what makes them so dangerous.
Jews


If this was/is a con job then it would be the greatest and most incredible con in the history of civilization.
Second or third biggest at least in modern history really, but we'll get to those redpills some other day perhaps, as they're off topic.

I am legally trained in addition to my background in history and as a lawyer (though admittedly not barred), I can tell you that the proceedings at Nuremberg conformed very precisely to the spirit and letter of international law as it existed at that time. The juridical procedures that were established as precedent in 1945-46 still serve as the principle template for subsequent iterations of that court that have tried alleged criminals as geographically and ideologically disparate as Serbian generals, Bosniak politicians, Hutu militia commanders, former Revolutionary United Front leaders and those active in the LRA in Uganda. Again, the most I will grant you is that the victors write history and in the words of Herman Goering himself, the victors are always the judges, the vanquished the accused.
This, still isn't relevant, and does not somehow give credence to the credibility of Allied courts or powers, in post war scenario where they needed an enemy.

If you want proof, I recommend that you spend more time perusing the archival records of the IMT which include a comprehensive selection of records that were produced by the German government itself inclusive of policy conferences, military planning briefings and orders disseminated from the highest levels of the party, SS and government, all of which independently corroborate the testimony proffered by the prosecution at Nuremberg. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp
I've read this all before, care to be more specific? I mean I could just link this aswell: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t790421/

That is you misinformed opinion and an effort to discredit my objectivity in these matters.
You seem to be doing that on your own, just fine buddy.

Yes I saw that part but that in no way undermines the substance of my earlier assertions regarding the fact that these men were not your typical criminal suspects and to extrapolate the conclusions of that social scientist featured in the video who was talking about your average american who had been charged with some type of criminal activity to men who by virtue of intellect, experience and position are fundamentally impervious to these tactics is just farcical. It's a false equivalence for you to even insinuate that the rulers of the Reich were so mentally and cognitively decrepit that they were susceptible to the types of cheap tricks that happen to have some measurable effect on below average Americans who are stupid enough to have been caught committing some civil infraction in the first place. You are insulting the memory of my glorious ancestors and personal heroes and I find it to be incredibly distasteful.
Pretending this men are Gods, who are impervious to torture, coercion, etc is what is really harmful to not only their memory, but National Socialism itself. Imagine if Hitler saw The German People in Berlin during The Weimar republic, and how men and women, his people, had been corrupted, and thought "Wow, because these people are genetically superior, they must be imperivous to brainwashing, coercion, and degeneracy" Hey guess what? That's not how the real world works, not even for the Übermensch. I've studied evolutionary psychology enough to know, every human at their core is flawed and manipulatable, no matter who they are.

You assume what you have to prove as you have a tendency to do here by saying that the integrity of their confessions was compromised by some application of extrajudicial methods. If the Soviets had control over the custodial process at Nuremberg then you may have some right to impute this type of nefarious and underhanded tactic but, it was the American military police in collaboration with British intelligence who maintained a presence in the actual cell blocks. Neither of these units has any record of having engaged in or abetted any type of activity which could either quality as criminal or constitute some sort of scandalous effrontery to conventional ethical sensibilities.
How America got into WW2, by allowing Pearl Harbor to happen despite the fact it could have been easily prevented, and despite the fact before pearl harbor there was massive support for Hitler and Germany, unless of course because there was no "official record" that must mean America is flawless, even with the frankfurt school infecting it with its first wave of marxism, and feminism, slowly eating away at the core fabric of morality. Let's all be good goys and believe the official record, because that's what Academia would do amirite?

The Germans built the extermination camps in the east so that they could actively conceal their operation and existence from the average citizen of the Reich. This plays in to the plausible deniability argument which I've been attempting to integrate into my historical and philosophical dialogue with you. As you know, the Soviets advanced in to Poland and in the process of doing so uncovered the remains of the Auschwitz complex which the SS had failed to completely destroy. Again, I'm not going to dismiss your proofs completely but if you want to effectively repudiate the existing factual record then the magnitude of the proofs and their veracity must be unimpeachable.
Depends what you mean by "The Record". Did they build camps? Yes. Were they extermination camps? Not according any evidence i've seen. Still waiting on it tho.

That doesn't account for the design features which were built in to the original schematics that were drawn up by SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Karl Bischoff which included air tight doors for the shower facilities, exterior access points on the roof suitable for the deployment of chemicals, large drains in the floor to accommodate the inevitable soiling and bodily discharge which asphyxiation tends to induce and the elevators which were placed so as to optimize the efficiency of processing bodies by expediting the time it took to convey them to the crematorium located in the same facility.
Where's the evidence of this? I'm still not seeing it, and i've posted plenty of counter evidence to this by this point, but uh oh it doesn't have that Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™.

Read The Good Old Days which is a collection of diaries that represent first hand accounts of the participants of the final solution.
Right, more post war propaganda, over all the contrary evidence. Hmm.

Ad hominem innuendo, unworthy of being dignified by an intelligent response.
Mhm, yep, sure do love that Marxist infiltrated Academia, aint nothing like it, no sir.

This isn't about some ideological difference between you and I.
No this about you appealing to (((Them))) instead of Us.

I have admittedly been trained by and am therefore a product of mainstream academic institutions.
:lul::lul::lul:

For better or for worse, those places of higher learning are the closest thing we have to a dispassionate and objective process of evaluating testable material and acquiring greater knowledge that enhances our understanding of the world.
Oh yeah, mhm (((Mainstream Academia))) the place that is still to this day actively churning out Marxist after Marxist, scamming people out of thousands of dollars, and holding back research and progress in the name of conformity. Truly the most objective system we have currently. How can anything EVEN compete.

For me to embrace your assertions would be tantamount to repudiating the inherent value of a conventional education and calling in to question the integrity of every theory, thesis and postulation ever addused under the rubric of the academic process. If you want me to abandon myself the fringe theories and dissociate completely from the academy, of which I have been a part for many years, then you had better have proofs that are literally irrefragible in their certitude and irrefutable in their evidentiary quality.
Yeah no problem man as long as you don't mind you have to judge the evidence for their content and merit instead of the Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ that they possibly don't have.

I'm not going to assimilate myself to a revisionist historical narrative just because some ignoramus with a swasi tattooed across his face and a leather jacket with sig runes on the back tells me that this is the only pathway to intellectual liberation from the artificial construct imposed by the NWO.
This level of projection is just insane. JFL :lul::lul::lul:

Ask yourself the honest question; who are the people that propagate this martial and how compelling would their motivation be to distort and contrive the original source material so as to enhance their own ideological appeal.
I think you might have messed up on the wording of that, but uhh sounds like you're describing Jews and Modern Academia.

Taking the information that comes from neo-Nazi type sites at face value would be analogous to accepting the legal assertions of the founding members of Zionism and validating their claim to land in the Levant simply because a subjective interpretation of their own theological dogma lends itself to that conclusion.
Good thing they're neither "Neo Nazi Websites" and i'm not taking the evidence at face value. I have been studying the holocaust, National Socialism, and Germany for years now. You on the other hand, big OOF honestly. I mean you seem to have been studying the mainstream narrative for sure. I mean I guess it has the Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ so it has to be correct :lul: I mean how can academia ever be wrong, guys I mean feminism seems to be working out just fine right?

I'm not the one who is acting as a minister of mis-information, deception and historically contrived interpretations of incontrovertible fact.
You seem to be acting more as The Rabbi of misinformation tbh :lul:

I am more of a national socialist then you could ever hope to be.
JFL

I possess both the biological pedigree as well as the requisite ideological knowledge and rhetorical skill to influence those who might be turned to our cause.
Good look with somehow influencing people more with this Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ revisionist version of National Socialism, than yunno the actual groups.

My methods are not tactical in any way, as this would imply that I'm trying to achieve some tangible goal either ideological or otherwise. I am merely stating the evidence as I understand it to be true and providing well reasoned arguments which substantiate my interpretations of the primary source material which is what I dare say you are trying to do. Let's just put our differences aside and agree that we both share very similar philosophical outlooks and aspire to bring into fruition the same objectives. The ends always justify the means and if we have to move in a direction which necessitates a reconciling of our interpretive differences, then so be it.
I'm pretty confident in the fact this is either babbies first time learning about National Socialism, or cucktears bait, because you are the Neo Con to the Conservative, The Catholic to the Christian Fundamentalist, The Moderate Muslim to the Jihadist, whatever you are spewing is not part of any respected National Socialist movement, in fact it seems to be more in line with Judaism itself. You aren't in any social circles I know about, I don't see you talking at American Renaissance, or any alt right mediums, conferences, discords, or events.

Whatever you think you're a part of you're not, you're not one of us. You never will be until you break this Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ fetish you seem to have. That's just not how research or arguments work. It's not about who has the most authority or mainstream credibility, its about what's factually correct regardless of where or who it came from.
 
It sure shouldn't be, but to a degree these "new findings" can do just that. Depending on the subject matter and academic field, i've seen a few examples of "New Findings" being minimal and drawn out, and are just that, to validate and substantiate the existing narratives.

In Biology for example, there is serious shunning, at any evidence or data which would seem to indicate racial differences, racial superiority, gender superiority, etc, which is absolutely insane by the way. I've heard similar situations with Archaeologists who seem to find or want to research the possibility of ancient advanced civilizations, evolutionary biologists who want to research other theories or possibilities of how evolution started, people who question the validity of mainstream science, history, or archaeology, even if they're qualified to be in that field, see shunning, blacklisting, less access to funds, research equipment, etc. This leads a lot of people to stick in a cookie cutter format to make more money, to get funding, etc, even if they know or suspect they could be doing research into things that might lead to something better or the truth.

I'm sorry, but you're being extremely naive if you believe that mainstream Academic fields that involve research, especially in this modern day and age aren't corrupted and twisted. It's all about who is in power aswell, at its core this is a Jewish thing, this is a post war, post modern, Marxist, KGB infiltrated world. National Socialism, especially in its modern form stems from the fact, that there is a conspiracy of wealthy Ashkenazi Supremacist Jewish Fundamentalists, who influence The Media, Academia, The Government, The Banks, Secret Societies, via Marxism, and monetary influence. I wont quote the rest your bits focusing on this because I believe this covers it pretty well.

Spoken like one who has become jaded and cynical towards the academic establishment by virtue of his own unwillingness to play by the rules of the game. I'm not in the least bit suggesting that the current process of evaluating scholarly contributions is bereft of any form of nepotism or other selection biases, but it happens to be the closest methodological approach to actually interpreting data and discerning whether conclusions that derive from that data ought to be incorporated in to conventional academic wisdom. This is the way the process has worked since at least the mid-19th century and it contains some vestigial relics of the predecessor in time in that research is still done under the direction of a supervising faculty member and will always be collectively vetted by some type of review committee. The supervision you will argue ensures the maintenance of the status quo but in reality it serves the important function of providing structural and substantive oversight and direction to a new postulation, absent which, dissertations would be incomprehensibly irrelevant and likely unintelligible to even an expert in the field. Additionally, the use of a committee which consists of an eclectic array of faculty members (not always those who come exclusively from the candidates department) introduces a democratic element in to the process and is meant to curtail the types of abuses which you seem to imply will be inevitable.


Is English not your first language or something? That would explain a lot, this isn't about seeing some hidden meaning from the number 6 million, this is about the fact that in the Talmud, and in Jewish run newspapers and media, they were talking about 6 million Jews, and a genocide before even any knowledge of concentration camps.

All evidence would seem to suggest only about 200,000-300,000 Jews died because of Typhus, Dysentery, and Starvation died in these camps. Not 1 million, not 2 million, and most definitely not 6 million.



"The actual number of Jews under the German regime never exceeded 4.5 million

The number of Jews under German administration can be deduced from pre-war Jewish population statistics, the Wannsee Protokoll, the Korherr Report from the Wartime German Office of Statistics and research, and by serious demographers as Prof. W.N. Sanning (Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Institute for Historical Review. 1989. ISBN 0-939484-11-0. German translation: Die Auflösung des osteuropäische Judentum. 1983. © Grabert-Verlag, Tübingen. ISBN 3-87847-06-02.), dr. C. Nordling (The Jewish Establishment under Nazi-Threat and Domination, 1938-1945. 1990. The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 10, no. 2, p. 195, ISSN 0195-6752), Prof. F. Hankins, (How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? 1983. The Journal of Historical Review, 1990. Vol. 4, no. 1, p. 61. ISSN 0195-6752), as well as surveys, studies and statements by other independent experts.
Jewish population statistics indicate at the beginning of the War (1939) around 9 million European Jews: 8,861,800, 8,939,608 (American Jewish Congress (figure) and 9.3 million. This also included Jews in the European part of Russia (3,020,143) and Ukraine. Historian Yehuda Bauer of the Yad Vashem memorial in Israel too spoke of nine million Jews in Europe (A History of the Holocaust, New York: Franklin Watts, 1982, ISBN 0-531-098621). This makes 9 million Jews in Europe in 1939 a fair assumption."


This is accepted, meaning that they would have to import 1.5 million Jews just to be exterminated, and and then some to survive to tell the tale. This is all Occams Razor really.

Since you've finally adduced what I would regard to be some form of intellectually respectable source material, I will have to take some time to actually acquaint myself with the conclusions contained therein and respond in due course. As for finding some meaning in numbers that have significance for the jews because they happen to appear in theological scripture, I think that this is at best highly circumstantial and at worst is an effort to introduce some type of conspiratorial agenda which, as you ironically assert in your own rebuttal, can easily be dispensed with through an application of Occam's indispensable razor.

I will say this however regarding the underlying thesis of the theoretical supposition you endorse; it's really a numbers game and that means that the issue will have to be arbitrated on the extent that demographical and population data were even available in pre-war Poland, "the Pale of civilization" (western USSR) and much of Russia. I think you will find that it is nearly impossible to marshal sufficient records that will enable you to extrapolate the kind of conclusions that you are already willing to accept. There are two assumptions built into this theoretical paradigm which you advocate. Firstly, that the record keeping and clerical skills of the civil administration in those places enumerated above were both meticulous and exacting. Secondly, it must be assumed that most of the birth records, death records and other personal data had not been destroyed or lost in the course of 4 or 5 years of war and occupation.


I'm not really exactly sure what you mean by this, I can cite a lot of things, i'm not sure if they'll have "Intellectual Credibility" by your Jewish Academic Standards, whatever twisted Talmudic appeal to authority that is, but they're factual, and they do have credibility.

By academic credibility and intellectual veracity I simply mean to say that the conclusions you arrive at are derived from one of several types of sources whose validity cannot easily be impeached. Examples of such sources would include journal articles (peer review material), scholarly works published by a university or an academic publisher, government records (e.g. my appeal to the IMT transcripts) or primary course material itself (journals, conference minutes, archival footage, etc). What you may not permissibly do is simply link me to some alt-right website which obviously has an ideological agenda to propagate and is therefore going to have a very strong and compelling interest to treat any materials they perceive as deleterious to their own objectives with extreme contempt while simultaneously elevating and promoting material whose veracity may be suspect but which conforms to their own ideological narrative. This is a form of selection bias which we try to avoid at all costs but which will be inexorably associated with content that has been politicized for various reasons.

For some perspective on this phenomenon closely examine the coherence of the data that has been submitted by both the renewable energy partisans and the competing data adduced by the petrol and coal industries as it relates to climate change. It is impossible to find scientifically valid research in this domain that hasn't been materially compromised or otherwise contaminated by the influence of those who are financing its production. The same rule applies to content derived from sources which have a political agenda to promote.


Firstly, no, you're thinking The Walking Torah/Old Testament, not the Talmud. I am probably the most well versed on Abrahamic theology on this website. I've been studying this more so than anything, even before biology, when I was a teenager. The Jews of bible are not the same Jews of the Talmud, and of Today, for example even Jesus would not be in the same ilk as the modern Ashkenazi Jews. He was a Galilean, and a Judahite (A Descendent of the Tribe of Judah), The Judeans of prominence in the New Testament, are not the Jews of the old testament, but Edomites, they were mongrel stock of Canaanites and Edomites, by 120 BC they were living near the outskirts of Israel.

In the bible itself it says, "Ye are of your father the devil", it calls them fake Jews, they are synonymous with the word "pharisees", it says they are the "Synagogue of Satan". These modern day "Jews" stole the identity of the old Testament Israelites. They are not the same.

In that context you may be wondering why this matters, well because, their main book and difference, the thing that seperates them, and makes them so dangerous, is the Talmud.

The Talmud is this Nu Jewish text, that encourages lying, deception, infiltration, says its okay to rape a goyim little girl, its okay to do pretty much anything to the Goyim, etc. This evil book is the core of Ashkenazi Supremacist, Jewish Fundamentalism, and is their core ideology and what makes them so dangerous.

That is a fair and well substantiated argument which I can defer to as I will be the first to concede that while I know something about the history of the early kingdom of Judah, I am no theologian. As for the actual content of the Talmud, I will make a concerted effort to acquaint myself with its admonishments and injunctions, though through a source not affiliated with either judaism or those entities which seek to propagate misinformation about it. I have always predicated my conclusions about the jews on an objective and dispassionate interpretation of unbiased fact, as this method ensures that my understanding of them is both lucid as well as firmly corroborated.


Second or third biggest at least in modern history really, but we'll get to those redpills some other day perhaps, as they're off topic.

Well that would depend on you definition of what constitutes a con as well as the means by which we measure its effectiveness and complexity. I think you could argue that belief in Christ as a demigod or the son of god is obviously more impactful on the civilizational trajectory of mankind, though this contrivance of historical fact would have been extremely simple to achieve in an era which predated the scientific method and where reliance upon supernatural explanations was the conventional means of interpreting the inexplicable.


This, still isn't relevant, and does not somehow give credence to the credibility of Allied courts or powers, in post war scenario where they needed an enemy.

If a juridical process can be consistently replicated in a fair, unbiased and impartial manner and used to dispassionately and effectively adjudicate principles on international law regardless of the geographic, ethnic and ideological disparities between those it arraigns, then I would assert that it is ipso facto just and in accordance with fundamental principles of equity. If you want to impeach the credibility of the IMT and its successive iterations, then the best way to do so would be to demonstrate how it applies judicial principles in a disparate and prejudicial manner, otherwise, the record of the court speaks for itself and is still used to this day when deciding the culpability of those who have been charged with crimes of the greatest import and magnitude.

I've read this all before, care to be more specific? I mean I could just link this aswell: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t790421/

I don't need to hold your hand and walk you through the enormous agglomeration of documents which comprise the official record of the IMT. That is why Yale has conveniently adumbrated the relevant sections of the trial record at the top of the website which I linked, inclusive of documents for the prosecution, which is where I recommend you start. You've done academic research before so don't suddenly play the uninformed ignoramus who can't comprehend the most rudimentary principles of fact finding. Additionally, you cannot in good faith equivocate Stormfront with a serious, well established and ideologically dispassionate source of information that itself is affiliated with an institution of higher learning who by both endowment and repute is beyond reproach in its intellectual character.

Pretending this men are Gods, who are impervious to torture, coercion, etc is what is really harmful to not only their memory, but National Socialism itself. Imagine if Hitler saw The German People in Berlin during The Weimar republic, and how men and women, his people, had been corrupted, and thought "Wow, because these people are genetically superior, they must be imperivous to brainwashing, coercion, and degeneracy" Hey guess what? That's not how the real world works, not even for the Übermensch. I've studied evolutionary psychology enough to know, every human at their core is flawed and manipulatable, no matter who they are.

You've provided a false equivalence in your analogy above. The average German in the days of Wiemar would not have been much more sophisticated then the average American in the 21st century. To compare the men who had ascended to the highest echelons of the party and state by virtue of their rhetorical brilliance, intellectual superiority, charisma and wit to the average citizen in any global population at any time in history is being disingenuous to the quality of those exceptional men.

I'm not trying to construe them as gods or as being impervious to the influence of coercion, I am asserting that by virtue of the same qualities which predisposed them for success in a political paradigm that promoted human excellence (the culture of the Third Reich), they would in no way be comparable to the mental decrepitude and weakness exhibited by and endemic to the archetypical american criminal offender which your initial argument implied they were.


How America got into WW2, by allowing Pearl Harbor to happen despite the fact it could have been easily prevented, and despite the fact before pearl harbor there was massive support for Hitler and Germany, unless of course because there was no "official record" that must mean America is flawless, even with the frankfurt school infecting it with its first wave of marxism, and feminism, slowly eating away at the core fabric of morality. Let's all be good goys and believe the official record, because that's what Academia would do amirite?

The implication that Roosevelt deliberately permitted the attack on the Pacific fleet is nothing more then a recapitulation of historical innuendo that has never been confirmed or validated factually. If you are furthermore implying that because the highest levels of the administration may have conspired to accelerate america's entrance in to the war that this somehow contaminates the ability of military police to effectively and honorably discharge their custodial responsibilities, I don't see the force of the appeal. I don't have to accept the US as a the paragon of justice and equality in order for me to assert that most of its military personnel in 1945 were not inclined to infringe upon the code of military justice or conduct themselves in a manner thoroughly unbecoming of an honorable soldier.


Depends what you mean by "The Record". Did they build camps? Yes. Were they extermination camps? Not according any evidence i've seen. Still waiting on it tho.

Again, there is literally reams of testimony from contemporary witnesses which authenticate other evidentiary findings which were adduced to confirm that the camps had both the purpose of quarantine as well as extermination. Official German government documents evince a clear strategy to incrementally implement a final solution, which, while ambiguous in its expression can be inferred in its intention through contextual references such as those contained in the minutes of the Wansee conference, which I previously referenced.


Where's the evidence of this? I'm still not seeing it, and i've posted plenty of counter evidence to this by this point, but uh oh it doesn't have that Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™.


https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/06/28/karl-bischoff-architect-of-death/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rant-families-or-face-penalties-idUSKBN1K022G

I can provide further links and references if you require, though these two will clearly substantiate what I said in my previous post.

Right, more post war propaganda, over all the contrary evidence. Hmm.

That is your opinion, though it happens to border on the conspiratorial and is heavily reliant on conjecture and speculation. The narratives contained in this book can be placed in both the temporal and geographical context of what was known to have factually occurred.

Mhm, yep, sure do love that Marxist infiltrated Academia, aint nothing like it, no sir.

Most of academia is either lukewarm in their perceptions of Marxism or regard it as one of many historical and philosophical models of interpretation. It is true that academia is populated by individuals who are strong proponents of the most contemptuous form of progressive ideology, but that type of thinking is far removed from the teachings and recommendations of Marx.


No this about you appealing to (((Them))) instead of Us.

I'm appealing to a source of information which I happen to find to be the most compelling and convincing as it tends to rely upon tried and tested methods that control for spurious conclusions and misconstrual of fact. Besides, I'm not aligning myself with the jews in any recognizable way which leads me to believe that your accusations of collaboration and complicity in jewish propaganda is a mere manifestation of false indignation. I've already told you, I believe that it is imperative to accept all of the achievements of the Reich and I don't see how anyone who is proposing that jews are in fact subhuman and as malicious and nefarious as any work of Goebbels would make them out to be could dissociate himself from the most viable and expedient means of controlling this infectious population.


Oh yeah, mhm (((Mainstream Academia))) the place that is still to this day actively churning out Marxist after Marxist, scamming people out of thousands of dollars, and holding back research and progress in the name of conformity. Truly the most objective system we have currently. How can anything EVEN compete.

Goethe said that theory is gray while the tree of life is green. We may aspire for a more perfectly utilitarian approach to understanding and interpreting the world around us, but the reality is that there will always be the influence of subjectivity and the fallibility of human reason which renders imperfect any endeavor it sets itself to achieve. As with the system of jurisprudence in this country, it's not that it is the best option but rather, it is the least bad option. Don't make the best the enemy of the good; accept reality for what it is and dispense with your idealized notion of what academia ought to aspire to, because it is not constructive or healthy to engage in self deception.


Yeah no problem man as long as you don't mind you have to judge the evidence for their content and merit instead of the Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ that they possibly don't have.

You can't de-authenticate or impeach the validity of the conventional academic system merely by insinuating that it is all a component of the jewish cultural construct and is therefore fundamentally invalidated. There are imperfections and of course there is jewish influence, though there are also objective and truly rational people who are most industrious in their pursuit of the truth and are impervious to the cynical and devious influence of the jews, blacks, feminists, Marxists, socialists or any other constituent ideological group you want to identify as having assimilated itself into the culture of academia.


I think you might have messed up on the wording of that, but uhh sounds like you're describing Jews and Modern Academia.

No, I'm suggesting that your methodology of implying that jewish influence has somehow contrived to distort the objectivity of the academic process while accepting as genuine and objectively true the claims of a highly politicized movement is ironic, paradoxical and duplicit. You can't have it both ways; either you impeach the academy as an instrument of jewish control and you abandon whatever pretense of authenticity you ascribed to the material coming from the alt-right or you acknowledge that any establishment that has some partisan forces acting upon it is sometimes incapable of producing completely objective conclusions. You are applying your rules selectively and in a most unbecoming manner.

Good thing they're neither "Neo Nazi Websites" and i'm not taking the evidence at face value. I have been studying the holocaust, National Socialism, and Germany for years now. You on the other hand, big OOF honestly. I mean you seem to have been studying the mainstream narrative for sure. I mean I guess it has the Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ so it has to be correct :lul:I mean how can academia ever be wrong, guys I mean feminism seems to be working out just fine right?


Yes, feminism, african americn studies (whatever that is), jewish studies and now, trans gendered studies are all the product of American academic revolutions but so too are the the constellation of other disciplines which do have utilitarian value and offer students constructive skills with which they can contribute to the betterment of humanity. By implying that because there are some incomprehensibly spurious subjects for study that have been elevated to the level of independent disciplines, this therefore undermines the integrity of the whole, is just not convincing. I could assert with equal alacrity that there are some neo-Nazi's in the movement which you yourself previously referenced who do more to defame and retard it objectives then advance them, yet their association with the cause doesn't inherently render it obsolete.

You seem to be acting more as The Rabbi of misinformation tbh :lul:

I don't know about that, you're the self-professed jewish expert and old testament theologian, whose comprehensive knowledge of the enemy seems just too convenient for it to be a product of your own intellectual curiosities. Go back to the rabbinical academy from whence you cam and hope that me and my SS abteilung don't decide to put it to the torch.


Good look with somehow influencing people more with this Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ revisionist version of National Socialism, than yunno the actual groups.


I don't need luck, I have skill and that is more invaluable then all the luck that could come out of a box of luck charms.

I'm pretty confident in the fact this is either babbies first time learning about National Socialism, or cucktears bait, because you are the Neo Con to the Conservative, The Catholic to the Christian Fundamentalist, The Moderate Muslim to the Jihadist, whatever you are spewing is not part of any respected National Socialist movement, in fact it seems to be more in line with Judaism itself. You aren't in any social circles I know about, I don't see you talking at American Renaissance, or any alt right mediums, conferences, discords, or events.

It's not my problem that the current state of the NatSoc movement is so disorientated that it cannot accept the objective reality and truth of what we understand about the accomplishments of the Reich. This is a simple philosophical point which I suspect you grasp, but are once again playing ignorant for the sake of convenience and in order to advance your assertions here. If the modern permutation of the NSDAP truly embraces the teachings of the Fuhrer and the historical precepts of the party, then why does it feel it must so emphatically repudiate the annihilation of the jews? Instead, why not embrace genocide as a measure of the dedication, conviction and certitude of those who had committed themselves to achieving a final victory over a people who constitute the most deplorable enemy of humanity? It seems to me that you have embraced a strangely ironical position which is properly excoriating the jews for their many crimes against civilization yet simultaneously attempting to dissociate yourself from the strongest evidence of the most glorious achievements which the Third Reich brought into fruition. I cannot reconcile the internal inconsistency of this position and don't see how you could either.

Whatever you think you're a part of you're not, you're not one of us. You never will be until you break this Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ fetish you seem to have. That's just not how research or arguments work. It's not about who has the most authority or mainstream credibility, its about what's factually correct regardless of where or who it came from.

Yes, I agree that it is a measure of both the qualitative and quantitative properties of the proofs that can be adduced but you want to selectively evaluate those proofs in a manner which discredits those that don't confirm to your own subjective narrative and embrace all of those that do advance your position. I have an open mind, as I always have had and am willing to be persuaded by a preponderance of evidence either way. Additionally and unlike you and your confederates in the alt right movement, I see no dilemma in embracing genocide as an effective means to achieve military victory. As von Clauswitz said (and I'm paraphrasing here in a far less eloquent way), the combatant who is first to completely extricate himself from the constraints of civility and convention and in turn embrace war in its totality, will be he who achieves victory.
 
Spoken like one who has become jaded and cynical towards the academic establishment by virtue of his own unwillingness to play by the rules of the game.


I'm not in the least bit suggesting that the current process of evaluating scholarly contributions is bereft of any form of nepotism or other selection biases, but it happens to be the closest methodological approach to actually interpreting data and discerning whether conclusions that derive from that data ought to be incorporated in to conventional academic wisdom.
I don't think so, it may have been before the 20th century, but even then there were some things i'd need to look into a tad bit more and pick apart, but Academia before the 20th century was still for the most part in a much healthier and objective state than it is now.

There are better methods and philosophy to discerning facts and objective reality, than current mainstream academic methods. Also don't get me wrong, while I believe the more fields that are much more moldable such as, Biology, History, Archaeology, even Astronomy sadly, are much more prone to corruption, confirmation bias, faulty data, political motives, and sometimes worse, there are some fields such as engineering, and programming while they may have some corruption in terms of who is being allowed in which may slow the progress of somethings developing, such as AI and Robotics, and there are examples of government interference slowing down the progress if not completely shutting down some advanced to our lives for their own benefit, such as a nuclear generator people could use at their home that is completely safe and would last for decades and would save everyone thousands of dollars, or an engine or method of making it so cars can go several hundred miles before needing to refuel gas, (probably to keep making bank on the tax of energy companies and oil companies) these fields can still harbor great results and at best corruption can just slow them down.

However when it comes to the other fields, Biology, History, Archaeology, etc i'd say mostly latter but biology has its fair share of academic roadblocks, these things can be studied, debated, etc in a much better environment than they are currently in. Almost the entire whole of Academia is corrupted and enslaved, to political agendas, the zombified process of Marxism, etc

This is the way the process has worked since at least the mid-19th century and it contains some vestigial relics of the predecessor in time in that research is still done under the direction of a supervising faculty member and will always be collectively vetted by some type of review committee.
Yeah, it's really not the same anymore. The Academic systems of the 19th century were far less infiltrated and corrupt than the ones of the 20th century and beyond, at least in the west, there were still some questionable things I eluded to earlier but as I said i'd have to look into it a tad bit more and is overly irrelevant to my point, as overall it's still objectively much less corrupt.

The supervision you will argue ensures the maintenance of the status quo but in reality it serves the important function of providing structural and substantive oversight and direction to a new postulation, absent which, dissertations would be incomprehensibly irrelevant and likely unintelligible to even an expert in the field. Additionally, the use of a committee which consists of an eclectic array of faculty members (not always those who come exclusively from the candidates department) introduces a democratic element in to the process and is meant to curtail the types of abuses which you seem to imply will be inevitable.
It's a faux Democracy, one comprised of groups of people that rarely get evaluated properly themselves, other than by eachother.

Since you've finally adduced what I would regard to be some form of intellectually respectable source material, I will have to take some time to actually acquaint myself with the conclusions contained therein and respond in due course.
I sure hope they fit within the Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™

As for finding some meaning in numbers that have significance for the jews because they happen to appear in theological scripture, I think that this is at best highly circumstantial and at worst is an effort to introduce some type of conspiratorial agenda which, as you ironically assert in your own rebuttal, can easily be dispensed with through an application of Occam's indispensable razor.
I find it funny that you try and throw out the conspiracy buzzword, when National Socialism itself is and always has been an ideology based around a WORLDWIDE JEWISH CONSPIRACY. I think Occam's Razor would find itself on the side that, an Academic System, and Government, which has massive funding and oversight by Ashkenazi Jews, who seem to be following the Talmud would simply be following the religion and agenda they've been following for thousands of years.

I want to get into this conspiracy thing a bit more aswell, because this just further proves you're not really a National Socialist. National Socialism is LITERALLY based on the concept that there is a Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy that has been going on for I think 229 years at this point of bankers, and international influencers, who distort, and control the Media, Academia, Governments, Wars, Corporations, Etc for their own benefit of fulfilling their Talmudic Nature and Agenda, if you don't believe this, you're not a National Socialist, you sure as hell haven't read Mein Kampf, and the more you appeal to the mainstream authority instead of things based simply on the merit of their content you're only doing yourself a disservice.

I will say this however regarding the underlying thesis of the theoretical supposition you endorse; it's really a numbers game and that means that the issue will have to be arbitrated on the extent that demographical and population data were even available in pre-war Poland, "the Pale of civilization" (western USSR) and much of Russia. I think you will find that it is nearly impossible to marshal sufficient records that will enable you to extrapolate the kind of conclusions that you are already willing to accept. There are two assumptions built into this theoretical paradigm which you advocate. Firstly, that the record keeping and clerical skills of the civil administration in those places enumerated above were both meticulous and exacting. Secondly, it must be assumed that most of the birth records, death records and other personal data had not been destroyed or lost in the course of 4 or 5 years of war and occupation.
The census data was completed in 1939, is it hypothetically possible more Jews were born during the period after this during the war? Of course, was it enough to raise population of Jews to match the extermination numbers? Not very likely. I have yet to see counter census data to this from any other research institution in the 1930s that would seem to suggest otherwise. Of course birth records, death records, etc would have been lost post war, however this census data was extremely early war/pre war depending on your view of the situation and those records aren't exactly relevant to the census.

By academic credibility and intellectual veracity I simply mean to say that the conclusions you arrive at are derived from one of several types of sources whose validity cannot easily be impeached. Examples of such sources would include journal articles (peer review material), scholarly works published by a university or an academic publisher, government records (e.g. my appeal to the IMT transcripts) or primary course material itself (journals, conference minutes, archival footage, etc).
I'm sorry, I don't view an Academic Seal of Approval as the be all end all. It's simply a logical fallacy, and a narrow form of arguing which constrains you to a specific viewpoint. The viewpoint of the Authority. However, i'm not simply dismissing something because they ARE authority, if you can give me articles or evidence that contain objective data and evidence it doesn't matter where it comes from, it's just a fact, and i'll accept that, but you haven't.

What you may not permissibly do is simply link me to some alt-right website which obviously has an ideological agenda to propagate and is therefore going to have a very strong and compelling interest to treat any materials they perceive as deleterious to their own objectives with extreme contempt while simultaneously elevating and promoting material whose veracity may be suspect but which conforms to their own ideological narrative. This is a form of selection bias which we try to avoid at all costs but which will be inexorably associated with content that has been politicized for various reasons.
See, this is arguing in bad faith, this a Talmudic Tactic that Jews engage in and encourage. You cannot simply dismiss something because you don't like where it comes from. That's a logical fallacy, and when you just dismiss my arguments doesn't really look good for your side. I mean why should I read your sources, if you're just gonna call mine "alt right" and move on. It's like hmm. I wonder who typical is known for doing this.
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For some perspective on this phenomenon closely examine the coherence of the data that has been submitted by both the renewable energy partisans and the competing data adduced by the petrol and coal industries as it relates to climate change. It is impossible to find scientifically valid research in this domain that hasn't been materially compromised or otherwise contaminated by the influence of those who are financing its production. The same rule applies to content derived from sources which have a political agenda to promote.
The Thing about arguing, is that it still doesn't matter where it comes from, or what the political agenda, someones political agenda may be factually correct, it's always a possibility, and this leftist Jewish tactic of dismissing something without merit, without substance to back up this dismissal other than some faux high horse of authority doesn't hold up.

Well that would depend on you definition of what constitutes a con as well as the means by which we measure its effectiveness and complexity. I think you could argue that belief in Christ as a demigod or the son of god is obviously more impactful on the civilizational trajectory of mankind, though this contrivance of historical fact would have been extremely simple to achieve in an era which predated the scientific method and where reliance upon supernatural explanations was the conventional means of interpreting the inexplicable.
You know Hitler was a Christian right?
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If a juridical process can be consistently replicated in a fair, unbiased and impartial manner and used to dispassionately and effectively adjudicate principles on international law regardless of the geographic, ethnic and ideological disparities between those it arraigns, then I would assert that it is ipso facto just and in accordance with fundamental principles of equity. If you want to impeach the credibility of the IMT and its successive iterations, then the best way to do so would be to demonstrate how it applies judicial principles in a disparate and prejudicial manner, otherwise, the record of the court speaks for itself and is still used to this day when deciding the culpability of those who have been charged with crimes of the greatest import and magnitude.
Right, I don't believe it was, especially when the results seem to lead to conclusions that are contrary to all war and pre war evidence, and again I don't see why I should view the enemy as objective and fair, one that was said to have already been corrupted by the Jew even by Hitler.

I don't need to hold your hand and walk you through the enormous agglomeration of documents which comprise the official record of the IMT. That is why Yale has conveniently adumbrated the relevant sections of the trial record at the top of the website which I linked, inclusive of documents for the prosecution, which is where I recommend you start. You've done academic research before so don't suddenly play the uninformed ignoramus who can't comprehend the most rudimentary principles of fact finding.
Right, but i'm saying, I have this, and I have seen evidence which vastly outweighs anything i've read. Perhaps I missed something, and if I have, would you like to point out something specific. I have pointed out plenty of specific things and reasons as to why the holocaust as reported to be a targeted extermination of 6 million Jews is not true, and all evidence seems to only indicate the death of 200,000-300,000 Jews who died of Sickness and Starvation because of allied attacks.

Additionally, you cannot in good faith equivocate Stormfront with a serious, well established and ideologically dispassionate source of information that itself is affiliated with an institution of higher learning who by both endowment and repute is beyond reproach in its intellectual character.
I absolutely can, as I said before, it does not matter where something comes from, you cannot simply dismiss it because you don't like where it comes from. You have to address the validity and factual merit of the claims themselves. For example I don't trust CNN, I don't Washington Post, I don't trust a lot of youtubers, if any 3 of these things brings up an argument or story, or what have you, with actual or facts, it doesn't matter if they have ideological agenda, if in this specific case they are correct, and it happens sometimes.

You've provided a false equivalence in your analogy above. The average German in the days of Wiemar would not have been much more sophisticated then the average American in the 21st century. To compare the men who had ascended to the highest echelons of the party and state by virtue of their rhetorical brilliance, intellectual superiority, charisma and wit to the average citizen in any global population at any time in history is being disingenuous to the quality of those exceptional men.

I'm not trying to construe them as gods or as being impervious to the influence of coercion, I am asserting that by virtue of the same qualities which predisposed them for success in a political paradigm that promoted human excellence (the culture of the Third Reich), they would in no way be comparable to the mental decrepitude and weakness exhibited by and endemic to the archetypical american criminal offender which your initial argument implied they were.

Fallacy Fallacy, there wasn't much genetic different between the late 1920s and early 1930s to 1934-1945. There are examples of people who were corrupted by communism and degeneracy and the Weimar Republic, who rescinded their ways and were glad to be about The Reich. Many of the people alive and happy in National Socialist Germany were around in the Weimar Republic. Brainwashing is real, coercion is real, giving in real, it does not matter how virtuous, or charismatic, or exceptional you may be if you are still and you lost to the enemy, and this enemy has control of you and the story. It's Over at this point.

The implication that Roosevelt deliberately permitted the attack on the Pacific fleet is nothing more then a recapitulation of historical innuendo that has never been confirmed or validated factually. If you are furthermore implying that because the highest levels of the administration may have conspired to accelerate america's entrance in to the war that this somehow contaminates the ability of military police to effectively and honorably discharge their custodial responsibilities, I don't see the force of the appeal.
I suggest you read these. Not sure if they have le epic Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™ but they get into the topic very well

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/McCollum/index.html
https://toqonline.com/archives/v1n2/TOQv1n2Sniegoski.pdf
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Kevin-Strom-personal/East_Wind.html
https://www.stormfront.org/rpo/PEARLH.htm

Honestly This illustrates perfectly the kind of treasonous garbage we Americans have "freely" elected (i.e., just as the radio, newspapers and TVs told us to) to be our "leaders" over the last century which has resulted in an incredible amount of damage throughout the world, and ultimately ending in our own country's and Europe's downfall.

I don't have to accept the US as a the paragon of justice and equality in order for me to assert that most of its military personnel in 1945 were not inclined to infringe upon the code of military justice or conduct themselves in a manner thoroughly unbecoming of an honorable soldier.
You kind of do, is the thing, because it goes a lot deeper than just "military justice" with these courts and trials,

Again, there is literally reams of testimony from contemporary witnesses which authenticate other evidentiary findings which were adduced to confirm that the camps had both the purpose of quarantine as well as extermination. Official German government documents evince a clear strategy to incrementally implement a final solution, which, while ambiguous in its expression can be inferred in its intention through contextual references such as those contained in the minutes of the Wansee conference, which I previously referenced.
And again, hard evidence will always trump post war testimonies and "findings".

https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/06/28/karl-bischoff-architect-of-death/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rant-families-or-face-penalties-idUSKBN1K022G

I can provide further links and references if you require, though these two will clearly substantiate what I said in my previous post.
Few problems with the first link, there's not many if any sources to these documents, or where they came from, when they were found, etc. That's something i'd like to know aswell. That's something i'd point out a problem first of all, secondly it just goes contrary to a lot of other evidence found in relation to Auschwitz, however before I get into that specifically at least in relation to this link if you'd clarify or prove a more direct source I could look through that aswell.

As for the second link, wrong article? This has to do with Mexican kids or something of that nature.

That is your opinion, though it happens to border on the conspiratorial
Thus is the nature of National Socialism.

The narratives contained in this book can be placed in both the temporal and geographical context of what was known to have factually occurred.
Okay, how?

Most of academia is either lukewarm in their perceptions of Marxism or regard it as one of many historical and philosophical models of interpretation. It is true that academia is populated by individuals who are strong proponents of the most contemptuous form of progressive ideology, but that type of thinking is far removed from the teachings and recommendations of Marx.
Mmm, I would disagree. I would say at the core of of almost all Academic institutions is the underlying weed of Marxism, most likely in its Cultural Form brought on by the Frankfurt school.

I'm appealing to a source of information which I happen to find to be the most compelling and convincing as it tends to rely upon tried and tested methods that control for spurious conclusions and misconstrual of fact. Besides, I'm not aligning myself with the jews in any recognizable way which leads me to believe that your accusations of collaboration and complicity in jewish propaganda is a mere manifestation of false indignation.
Except by aligning yourself with the word and institutions run by them, but alright.

I've already told you, I believe that it is imperative to accept all of the achievements of the Reich and I don't see how anyone who is proposing that jews are in fact subhuman and as malicious and nefarious as any work of Goebbels would make them out to be could dissociate himself from the most viable and expedient means of controlling this infectious population.
I do accept all the achievements of the Reich, I just don't accept the made up ones, made by Jews to discredit it and scare people away from National Socialism. The main driver to Modern Day National Socialism, has always been holocaust denial. The Holocaust has always the main roadblock. The work of National Socialism was to drive them out, forever, and contain them, forever, specifically in Madagascar, i'd personally pick somewhere else, at least at this point history.

Goethe said that theory is gray while the tree of life is green. We may aspire for a more perfectly utilitarian approach to understanding and interpreting the world around us, but the reality is that there will always be the influence of subjectivity and the fallibility of human reason which renders imperfect any endeavor it sets itself to achieve. As with the system of jurisprudence in this country, it's not that it is the best option but rather, it is the least bad option. Don't make the best the enemy of the good; accept reality for what it is and dispense with your idealized notion of what academia ought to aspire to, because it is not constructive or healthy to engage in self deception.
I don't believe it is the least bad option, it's not the worst option either, but it's definitely up there in it's current state, and i'm sure will only devolve and turn into the worst option eventually if nothing changed.

You can't de-authenticate or impeach the validity of the conventional academic system merely by insinuating that it is all a component of the jewish cultural construct and is therefore fundamentally invalidated.
Seemed to work just fine in Germany

There are imperfections and of course there is jewish influence, though there are also objective and truly rational people who are most industrious in their pursuit of the truth and are impervious to the cynical and devious influence of the jews, blacks, feminists, Marxists, socialists or any other constituent ideological group you want to identify as having assimilated itself into the culture of academia.
The truly rational people seem to be in the minority, and are often shunned and excluded.

No, I'm suggesting that your methodology of implying that jewish influence has somehow contrived to distort the objectivity of the academic process while accepting as genuine and objectively true the claims of a highly politicized movement is ironic, paradoxical and duplicit.
Cept that's a mischaracterization, I don't care where the facts come from as long as they are undoubtedly facts.

You can't have it both ways; either you impeach the academy as an instrument of jewish control and you abandon whatever pretense of authenticity you ascribed to the material coming from the alt-right or you acknowledge that any establishment that has some partisan forces acting upon it is sometimes incapable of producing completely objective conclusions. You are applying your rules selectively and in a most unbecoming manner.
I really am not applying them selectively, you seem to by dismissing "le alt right website" when i'm actually open to any argument or facts regardless of where they came from. They just have to be true.

Yes, feminism, african americn studies (whatever that is), jewish studies and now, trans gendered studies are all the product of American academic revolutions but so too are the the constellation of other disciplines which do have utilitarian value and offer students constructive skills with which they can contribute to the betterment of humanity. By implying that because there are some incomprehensibly spurious subjects for study that have been elevated to the level of independent disciplines, this therefore undermines the integrity of the whole, is just not convincing.
I'm not implying that because there are some subjects that the integrity as a whole is wrong, i'm saying as a whole its corrupted, but there are some subjects and and fields which do and can produce good results and factual evidence. This is actually the exact opposite.

I could assert with equal alacrity that there are some neo-Nazi's in the movement which you yourself previously referenced who do more to defame and retard it objectives then advance them, yet their association with the cause doesn't inherently render it obsolete.
Right, but that's not my argument.

I don't know about that, you're the self-professed jewish expert and old testament theologian, whose comprehensive knowledge of the enemy seems just too convenient for it to be a product of your own intellectual curiosities. Go back to the rabbinical academy from whence you cam and hope that me and my SS abteilung don't decide to put it to the torch.
Yunno actually I was raised around Christians, and went to Christian schools, yunno Christians right? The thing Hitler was? And how they were trying to unify the country under the Protestant Reich Church? You see fundamentalist Christian law is very interesting, it seems to align very well with National Socialism, and a lot of so called "Racist White Nationalist" ideology. As if you read the direct translations, and know what the terminology means, instead of what the modern day Christcucks have twisted it into, that even if hypothetically God isn't real, the philosophy of Christianity, if was written today, would probably be considered, Nazi Alt Right Propaganda.

You see when you're raised a Christian and interested in Christianity it's good to learn other religions and point of views to understand what other people believe, to see if what you believe is intellectually solid, to see what other religions have merit wise, etc. Now the core of what I studied was Abrahamic Religions, because in a sense they all have the same core, thus is in their name, Abrahamic Religions. I have studied Christianity, Islam, and Judaism extensively, and in my experience what I have found is you can actually dumb down the explanation of the 3 of these religions to a little footnote.

Islam: A Religion designed around war and conquest
Judaism: A Religion designed around deception, and subverting the enemy
Christianity: A Religion designed around being virtuous, and never lying

They all have a different purpose. Islam is a Hostile religion, Judaism is a Parasitic religion, Christianity is a Defensive Religion, but it should be abundantly clear which one holds the moral high ground, and the one that our Führer believed in so, and not its cucked modern version of it either.


It's not my problem that the current state of the NatSoc movement is so disorientated that it cannot accept the objective reality and truth of what we understand about the accomplishments of the Reich.
Yeah i'm totally sure that if they just give in to being Good Goys and admit that the precious poor Jews were slaughtered in the millions of numbers then surely the movement would grow and prosper. Oh wait, that would suicide for the movement.

This is a simple philosophical point which I suspect you grasp, but are once again playing ignorant for the sake of convenience and in order to advance your assertions here. If the modern permutation of the NSDAP truly embraces the teachings of the Fuhrer and the historical precepts of the party, then why does it feel it must so emphatically repudiate the annihilation of the jews?
What you're basically asking is "If the modern National Socialists and Alt Right believe in the teachings of the Führer and most of its underlying values, why don't they accept this mainstream lie created to defame them?" Hmm, I wonder why.

Instead, why not embrace genocide as a measure of the dedication, conviction and certitude of those who had committed themselves to achieving a final victory over a people who constitute the most deplorable enemy of humanity?
Because its not the truth, it's a Jewish lie.

It seems to me that you have embraced a strangely ironical position which is properly excoriating the jews for their many crimes against civilization yet simultaneously attempting to dissociate yourself from the strongest evidence of the most glorious achievements which the Third Reich brought into fruition. I cannot reconcile the internal inconsistency of this position and don't see how you could either.
You mean the exact thing designed to tear it apart in the mainstream eyes by the allied powers and the Jews. Sorry, but no, not happening the plan wasn't to genocide them, it was to isolate them, and that's what the plan is now aswell.

Yes, I agree that it is a measure of both the qualitative and quantitative properties of the proofs that can be adduced but you want to selectively evaluate those proofs in a manner which discredits those that don't confirm to your own subjective narrative and embrace all of those that do advance your position.
And yet i'm not the one dismissing stormfront because it doesn't have a Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™.

I have an open mind, as I always have had and am willing to be persuaded by a preponderance of evidence either way.
Your cognitive dissonance would seem to suggest otherwise.

Additionally and unlike you and your confederates in the alt right movement, I see no dilemma in embracing genocide as an effective means to achieve military victory.
Firstly nice leftist character assassination, just further proves you're not on our side and are set to defame us, secondly, is Genocide an effective means to victory? It can be, depends on the situation, but believe it or not there are much easier, and more convincing ways of getting things done, especially in 1939-1945 specifically.
 
I don't think so, it may have been before the 20th century, but even then there were some things i'd need to look into a tad bit more and pick apart, but Academia before the 20th century was still for the most part in a much healthier and objective state than it is now.
There are better methods and philosophy to discerning facts and objective reality, than current mainstream academic methods. Also don't get me wrong, while I believe the more fields that are much more moldable such as, Biology, History, Archaeology, even Astronomy sadly, are much more prone to corruption, confirmation bias, faulty data, political motives, and sometimes worse, there are some fields such as engineering, and programming while they may have some corruption in terms of who is being allowed in which may slow the progress of somethings developing, such as AI and Robotics, and there are examples of government interference slowing down the progress if not completely shutting down some advanced to our lives for their own benefit, such as a nuclear generator people could use at their home that is completely safe and would last for decades and would save everyone thousands of dollars, or an engine or method of making it so cars can go several hundred miles before needing to refuel gas, (probably to keep making bank on the tax of energy companies and oil companies) these fields can still harbor great results and at best corruption can just slow them down.
However when it comes to the other fields, Biology, History, Archaeology, etc i'd say mostly latter but biology has its fair share of academic roadblocks, these things can be studied, debated, etc in a much better environment than they are currently in. Almost the entire whole of Academia is corrupted and enslaved, to political agendas, the zombified process of Marxism, etc
I wouldn't assert nor have I, that academia is impervious to the ideological and economics influences to which it is subjected, as they say (jew) money makes the world go around and one needs to acquire funds in order to facilitate the completion of research which confirms a hypothesis. The essential nature of academia is constructed so that the process of obtaining funds is not going to be entirely predicated on the political substance or implications of what you are attempting to adduce, but rather the insights gleaned from the pursuit of the intellectual endeavor and the extent to which it contributes measurably to the scholarly field in question.
I am extremely perceptive to the pernicious influence of both money and politics especially as it relates to determining and influencing the outcome of research. I initially applied to doctoral programs in history under the auspices of conducting a comprehensive methodological approach of genocide and establishing the fundamental cultural, socio-economic and political perquisites to its coming into fruition. I had to abandon and entirely discard that initial prospectus because it didn't advance the narrative of holocaust studies in a central way which is what almost every graduate history program was looking to do at the time. So for you to think that I am incapable of apprehending the potential for contamination that exists is erroneous. I would add that if I had received a funding grant for my second prospectus which was more compatible with judeo-capaitalist historiography, it wouldn't have changed my fundamental approach to interpreting the past or my belief that national socialism is an anecdote to jewish global corruption.
Yeah, it's really not the same anymore. The Academic systems of the 19th century were far less infiltrated and corrupt than the ones of the 20th century and beyond, at least in the west, there were still some questionable things I eluded to earlier but as I said i'd have to look into it a tad bit more and is overly irrelevant to my point, as overall it's still objectively much less corrupt.
Well my essential point concerns more the form and function of contemporary academia and the degree to which it owes its lineage to the western school which had its formative and incipient foundation at Cambridge, Oxford, the state universities of Germany and, to a lesser extent the Sorbonne. The emphasis on collaboration and peer review derives from this historical evolution which initially was structured very similarly to the process of becoming a practicing attorney in that you would complete an apprenticeship and internship under the direction of a practicing member of the local bar and when that individual felt that your command of the law was sufficiently comprehensive to warrant independent practice, they would merely endorse your candidacy. This system can work assuming it hasn't been completely compromised by those who have a covert and nefarious agenda to promulgate, though I have not seen much evidence of that in my own personal experiences.
It's a faux Democracy, one comprised of groups of people that rarely get evaluated properly themselves, other than by eachother.
Some academic areas are essentially a feedback loop which serves to continuously validate extant intellectual precepts, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of a gifted and audacious student challenging the status quo and effectively repudiating what had been regarded as dogma for decades or even generations. Again, I adduce the example of Einstein in physics who was able to thoroughly undermine the theoretical integrity of Newtonian physics by virtue of a single, yet elegant calculation and its corresponding predictions regarding the relationships between the planets along their elliptical orbits.
I find it funny that you try and throw out the conspiracy buzzword, when National Socialism itself is and always has been an ideology based around a WORLDWIDE JEWISH CONSPIRACY. I think Occam's Razor would find itself on the side that, an Academic System, and Government, which has massive funding and oversight by Ashkenazi Jews, who seem to be following the Talmud would simply be following the religion and agenda they've been following for thousands of years.
I want to get into this conspiracy thing a bit more as well, because this just further proves you're not really a National Socialist. National Socialism is LITERALLY based on the concept that there is a Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy that has been going on for I think 229 years at this point of bankers, and international influences, who distort, and control the Media, Academia, Governments, Wars, Corporations, Etc for their own benefit of fulfilling their Talmudic Nature and Agenda, if you don't believe this, you're not a National Socialist, you sure as hell haven't read Mein Kampf, and the more you appeal to the mainstream authority instead of things based simply on the merit of their content you're only doing yourself a disservice.
It has been a long time since I picked up a copy of the Fuhrer, though I have reacquaint myself with its precis more recently. I will concede that national socialism in its incipient form and within the historical context of Wiemar Germany relied heavily upon finding confirmation for its many conspiratorial assumptions. Yet this was a mere several years after the German general staff had been betrayed by jewish financiers and German national honor completely debased by the degrading terms of Versailles. The evidence for a world wide jewish conspiracy was much more conspicuous and incontrovertible in the early 1920's and it was for that precise reason why the ideological precepts of NS gained such traction so early in its evolutionary trajectory as a political movement. I can accept that there was a jewish conspiracy to degrade, humiliate and emasculate Germany in 1918 without accepting that there is some corollary conspiracy to render academia subservient to the commands of the jewish cabal in NYC or Jerusalem or Bilderberg or wherever it happens to convene.
The census data was completed in 1939, is it hypothetically possible more Jews were born during the period after this during the war? Of course, was it enough to raise population of Jews to match the extermination numbers? Not very likely. I have yet to see counter census data to this from any other research institution in the 1930s that would seem to suggest otherwise. Of course birth records, death records, etc would have been lost post war, however this census data was extremely early war/pre war depending on your view of the situation and those records aren't exactly relevant to the census.
The fatal flaw in this theory of yours is that it assumes that those who were responsible for adminstering the census in the geographical areas where it would be necessary to obtain such data were profecient and expert in the discharging of their duties. I think that even the most cursory understanding of the cultural condition of the jew in Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc. in the pre-war years will invariably yield the conclusion that these "people" were even then regarded as nearly sub-human and not worthy of comprehending in official tabulations of the population. Again, look at the fact that the jews had been relegated in to Ghettos in Poland since at least the 15th century and were kept segregated and quarentined within their own "quarter" of that ancient city. The degree of demographic dissociation in the USSR was even more conspicuous, as the jews had literally been driven out in to the wilderness that constituted the so called "pale of civilization". Dostoievski talks extensively about this region in some of his novels and it is likewise the basis for the musical "Fiddler on the Roof". And before you preempt me no, I'm not using those works of fiction (important cultural contributions though they are) as primary sources to substantiate the existence of a territory that was jewish in culture, language and practice but just not in name.
I'm sorry, I don't view an Academic Seal of Approval as the be all end all. It's simply a logical fallacy, and a narrow form of arguing which constrains you to a specific viewpoint. The viewpoint of the Authority. However, i'm not simply dismissing something because they ARE authority, if you can give me articles or evidence that contain objective data and evidence it doesn't matter where it comes from, it's just a fact, and i'll accept that, but you haven't.
OK, I own and have read innumerable books which validate my interpretation of the facts and evidence as they exist. I know this sounds like a concession or even a capitulation (perhaps it is the former in fact) but, I just don't have the time right now to dig through my materials and find every relevant page and/or citation that will have probative bearing on bringing some resolution to this ongoing debate. I may have time next week to imbricate myself in the relevant works and come back with something tangible. Right now my primary focus is maintaining some semblance of an argument that is predicated more on principle then one which hinges on the minutia of historical or anthropological data. Furthermore, yes, I do appeal to authority not out of any fidelity to some global jewish conspiracy or complicity with the kikes who I admit are nefarious and as invidious in their tactics as even the most ardent skinhead romper-stomper would have you believe, but because its ubiquity, intellectual pedigree and integrity strikes me as vitiating in favor of meriting its authenticity.
See, this is arguing in bad faith, this a Talmudic Tactic that Jews engage in and encourage. You cannot simply dismiss something because you don't like where it comes from. That's a logical fallacy, and when you just dismiss my arguments doesn't really look good for your side. I mean why should I read your sources, if you're just gonna call mine "alt right" and move on. It's like hmm. I wonder who typical is known for doing this.
If I were to dismiss some primary source material that happened to originate with the Jewish virtual library, which itself is in the business of propagating what you regard to be the biggest lie of civilization, you would applaud and honor me for my judicious degree of discernment. However, you want me to accept information which by dint of it's affiliation and political connotation has the same inherent veracity and independent validity simply because it conforms to your own theoretical interpretations. Stormfront, just like the aforementioned jew library may be capable of mustering and adducing clear and intellectually transparent proofs, but it would stretch the credulity of anyone possessing even an average degree of intelligence to argue that such proofs are objective in their content and uncontaminated by confirmation or selection biases.
The Thing about arguing, is that it still doesn't matter where it comes from, or what the political agenda, someones political agenda may be factually correct, it's always a possibility, and this leftist Jewish tactic of dismissing something without merit, without substance to back up this dismissal other than some faux high horse of authority doesn't hold up.
See above. I do judge the evidence on the merits, as I have been trained to do so in the course of a very thoroughgoing legal education which emphasized rules of evidence and the falsifiable quality of a proof or theoretical assertion that is being made or introduced. Perhaps your real inexorable problem with me isn't an ideological one but rather a methodological one? I come from a legal background and therefore tend to interpret evidence in a more nuanced manner then someone who has formal training in the sciences, such as yourself. I do think the point of divergence between us can be reduced down to methodology and doesn't itself hinge upon substantive engagement with the underlying facts.
You know Hitler was a Christian right?
The Fuhrer and the NSDAP believed in a rather eccentric concoction of Germanic blood myths, pagan ceremonial practices and race theory all colored by a slightly disingenuous association with the Christian church. Hitler ratified the concordat with the Vatican before he instrumentalized even his treaties with the states which would later become military allies of Germany. The affiliation with the Church was one born out of purely pragmatic considerations and had absolutely nothing to do with the personal theological convictions of either Hitler or anyone in the inner circle. The party leadership understood that in order to acquire the Chancellorship, it had to align itself and make nice with the Catholic Center Party. Additionally, Hitler needed the moral endorsement of the church so as to lend greater credibility to his strategic and ideological propositions and he did this by conceding the right to control education to the Catholic institutions in exchange for their explicit support for his agenda. If you think that this very nuanced relationship evinces a genuine affection for Christianity then you're just not reading between the lines and interacting with history in a dialectical manner.
Right, I don't believe it was, especially when the results seem to lead to conclusions that are contrary to all war and pre war evidence, and again I don't see why I should view the enemy as objective and fair, one that was said to have already been corrupted by the Jew even by Hitler.
Again, and as before, if you want to refute 60 years of scholarship which accepts that the legal methods employed by the court at the IMT were essentially a facsimile of those which motivate the judicial process in civil, western society, then it is incumbent upon you to demonstrate why you have such incredulity and contempt for this long standing accepted interpretation. Furthermore, I have attempted to elucidate the finer, juridical and procedural elements which in my view as someone who knows and understand the law, constitute prima facie evidence of a very good faith effort to closely conform the structure and program of the court to what was at the time regarded to be the gold standard for dispassionately adjudicating justice. I have shown myself willing and able to at least fairly consider the proofs which you have brought to bear as they pertain to other areas of this discussion and so, if you think you can impeach the objectivity and neutrality (two different yet necessary things) of the IMT, then by all means lets here and or see what you have to adduce.
Right, but i'm saying, I have this, and I have seen evidence which vastly outweighs anything i've read. Perhaps I missed something, and if I have, would you like to point out something specific. I have pointed out plenty of specific things and reasons as to why the holocaust as reported to be a targeted extermination of 6 million Jews is not true, and all evidence seems to only indicate the death of 200,000-300,000 Jews who died of Sickness and Starvation because of allied attacks.
I make the point I did earlier and I am being absolutely honest about this despite how I anticipate you'll perceive it, I don't have the time this week to go back and immerse myself in the literature. I will be off this website and offline generally starting tomorrow and probably returning late Friday night. I am at present attempting to appeal a decision by my employer to terminate me on account of having sent an innocuous email to a female employee (which, incidentally is what brought me here to begin with). I take professional and personal pride in everything that I say here because I believe that this dialogue rises to a level of intellectual sophistication that demands authenticity and factual corroboration. If you give me a week or so, I can martial my resources on these several points.
I absolutely can, as I said before, it does not matter where something comes from, you cannot simply dismiss it because you don't like where it comes from. You have to address the validity and factual merit of the claims themselves. For example I don't trust CNN, I don't Washington Post, I don't trust a lot of youtubers, if any 3 of these things brings up an argument or story, or what have you, with actual or facts, it doesn't matter if they have ideological agenda, if in this specific case they are correct, and it happens sometimes.
Yes but you must apprehend the paradox that lurks within the statement you just made. Your perceptions of certain sources of information have been colored by reputational considerations that may or may not directly impeach the veracity of the substantive evidence which these sources possess or promulgate. Yet, despite your eagerness to arbitrate credibility on the basis of the degree that you subjectively perceive a source to be valid or accurate, you dismiss mainstream academia as being corrupted and invalidated by jewish or Marxist influence. On what basis may I ask it is that you arbitrate the credibility of a source? Is it not the extent to which that source has at its disposal the resources necessary to confirm and authenticate factual content? Might this calculus at least contemplate the degree to which a source has some underlying ideological, cultural, political or economic agenda? I think all of these elements must be contemplated and, when they have been so contemplated, the conclusion is that mainstream academia is the least likely to fall victim to some holistic form of contamination.
Fallacy Fallacy, there wasn't much genetic different between the late 1920s and early 1930s to 1934-1945. There are examples of people who were corrupted by communism and degeneracy and the Weimar Republic, who rescinded their ways and were glad to be about The Reich. Many of the people alive and happy in National Socialist Germany were around in the Weimar Republic. Brainwashing is real, coercion is real, giving in real, it does not matter how virtuous, or charismatic, or exceptional you may be if you are still and you lost to the enemy, and this enemy has control of you and the story. It's Over at this point.
I’m not asserting that the men who occupied the docket at Nuremberg were superhuman and impervious to the techniques that may have been available to thei interrogators at the time, I am stating that there is no evidence which clearly establishes that extra-judicial methods were applied during the proceedings. I fully acknowledge the effectiveness and utility of torture – if the CIA was able to break the resolve of Khalid Sheik Mohammed with the application of a mere five minutes of water boarding, I dare say that any one could be rendered susceptible to such methods. The facts however are these; the presuppositions of that video which you initially posted on the subject correctly maintained that the average American criminal offender could be influenced by suggestion and mere innuendo, let alone the use of torture. The conclusions of the interviewee were thus predicated on the assumption that the subject was a person of vastly below average intelligence, poor resolve and little self control. Contrast these qualities with the disciplined, stoical, intellectually superior and unwavering men of the Reich’s highest leadership echelon and it brings my point into very sharp contrast.

I will have to take the time necessary to actually evaluate the credibility and credence of these sources but when I have the opportunity I will do so and reply on this point of substance.

Honestly This illustrates perfectly the kind of treasonous garbage we Americans have "freely" elected (i.e., just as the radio, newspapers and TVs told us to) to be our "leaders" over the last century which has resulted in an incredible amount of damage throughout the world, and ultimately ending in our own country's and Europe's downfall.
Eisenhower was a man of principle and had a proven record as an accomplished strategist and war leader, Truman, while a bit of an ignoramus, was an extremely humble and gracious man who thoroughly repudiated the majesty and grandeur of the office of President, Reagan was a visionary and an adroit politician who was able to anticipate and counteract the machinations of the various General Secretaries who controlled the USSR in the twilight years of communism and George H W Bush was a statesman and war hero whose long record of government service and honorable personal comportment made him worthy of the dignity of president. As for the rest, I would eagerly concede, they were either ignominious and corrupt materialists or ignorant charlatans who arose by virtue of circumstance and not merit.

You kind of do, is the thing, because it goes a lot deeper than just "military justice" with these courts and trials,
Yes, I would agree that the validity of the trial and its rulings does not hinge exclusively on the issue of whether American military personnel strictly circumscribed themselves to principles of military discipline though, on the available evidence it appears that the record is not conspicuously tainted by any wrongdoing.

And again, hard evidence will always trump post war testimonies and "findings".
I’m not alluding to findings in the sense that they are theoretical or not somehow tangible, I am asserting that evidence in the form of proofs was entered into the trial record and accorded varying levels of veracity by those who examined its content. The same rules of evidence which govern American jurisprudence today were effectively those which regulated and modulated the admission of material into the court for adjudicative purposes.

Few problems with the first link, there's not many if any sources to these documents, or where they came from, when they were found, etc. That's something i'd like to know aswell. That's something i'd point out a problem first of all, secondly it just goes contrary to a lot of other evidence found in relation to Auschwitz, however before I get into that specifically at least in relation to this link if you'd clarify or prove a more direct source I could look through that aswell.
As for the second link, wrong article? This has to do with Mexican kids or something of that nature.
It will take time for me to produce what I believe will constitute irrefutable proofs that will illuminate our discourse on this particular element of interpretation. I agree with your observations concerning the first link and would say that its credibility is therefore not beyond reproach. As for the second link, I somehow copied the wrong url, so the correct address is as follows:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...z-camp-found-in-germany-idUSTRE4A71SC20081109

Thus is the nature of National Socialism.
Not really and it depends on what you mean by your understanding of the term conspiratorial. I use that word to imply that evidence of some type of conclusion is suspect because it lacks external validation or lends itself too heavily to confirmation bias. If you look at the (admittedly circumstantial) evidence for a jewish global conspiracy and its relationship to the betrayal of Germany in the closing months of WW1, you will see that there is a fairly clear link between international jewish capital, high level government ministers who were strategically positioned to unilaterally negotiate terms with the Allies and a strong underlying incentive to emasculate Germany militarily so as to remove the potential for future transgressions against the maintenance of the status quo which itself enriched and empowered the jews. So Hitler’s assertions regarding jewish influence were made on the basis of a rather elegant factual triangulation which I dare say surpasses the type of conjectures that you have such an affinity for.

Okay, how?
Take the name and unit of the individual who was serving in a particular theatre at the time of the journal writing or diary entry and cross reference this information with what we know about the placement, movement and operational histories of various units within the Heer or SS and you are able to corroborate the authenticity of these accounts. Again, we employ the previously referenced method of triangulation which works much better than merely taking assertions of fact on face value.

Mmm, I would disagree. I would say at the core of of almost all Academic institutions is the underlying weed of Marxism, most likely in its Cultural Form brought on by the Frankfurt school.
OK then I would say that we must agree to disagree on this point as it really is an entirely subjective one. I would add however though that certain academic disciplines may lend themselves more heavily to a Marxist interpretation of data or the influence of the adherents of Marx whereas others would by virtue of their very nature, be impervious to this sort of thing (e.g. astronomy and pure mathematics).

Except by aligning yourself with the word and institutions run by them, but alright.
I align myself with the institutions which are most well placed to uncover the objective truths concerning the reality of the world in which we live. This isn’t about submitting to the omnipotent power of global Judaism, it is about pursuing the path which is most likely to result in the illumination of ignorance and the understanding of principles which were previously inaccessible to us. Again, it may not be ideal but it is the best we have, so be a realist here instead of a self-deluded idealist.

I do accept all the achievements of the Reich, I just don't accept the made up ones, made by Jews to discredit it and scare people away from National Socialism. The main driver to Modern Day National Socialism, has always been holocaust denial. The Holocaust has always the main roadblock. The work of National Socialism was to drive them out, forever, and contain them, forever, specifically in Madagascar, i'd personally pick somewhere else, at least at this point history.
Yes Madagascar was at one point considered as an option though, for obvious logistical and practical reasons it was discarded as not being sufficiently viable. In late 1941, the various representatives from the Army, party, state and foreign office convened at Wansee to coordinate the necessary resources to facilitate a complete annihilation of the jews. This was precipitated by the entry of the JSA into the war and the Fuhrer’s correct calculation that with the industrial resources of a country which was able to put about 50,000 men into the field every month in 1917, it would only be a matter of time before the protectors of the jews interceded militarily and rescued them from their just fate.

I don't believe it is the least bad option, it's not the worst option either, but it's definitely up there in it's current state, and i'm sure will only devolve and turn into the worst option eventually if nothing changed.
I consider the viability and feasibility of a particular program or policy in reference to its cultural and social contexts. So, for a country that is so thoroughly inundated with the influence of the jew and has been experiencing a concerted moral decay and degeneration in values since at least the 1960’s, one could convincingly argue that the academic and judicial systems that are modulated by these invidious influences are remarkably untainted and therefore acceptable in their present, albeit imperfect, forms. Again, and in re Goethe, be the realist and desist from your deluded idealism, at least until we can bring about the coming of a Fourth Reich.
The truly rational people seem to be in the minority, and are often shunned and excluded.
In my experience they are able to coexist with those who are more inclined to recapitulate dogmatic arguments for the sake of ingratiating themselves to the system, though again, this is all predicated on subjective considerations.

I really am not applying them selectively, you seem to by dismissing "le alt right website" when i'm actually open to any argument or facts regardless of where they came from. They just have to be true.
I’m not dismissing in totality the possibility for some genuinely accurate and well accredited facts to have derived from these types of sources I’m merely asserting that it is in the highest degree implausible that those who have a conspicuous ideological agenda to advance would promulgate information which was in no way modulated by their political objectives.

I'm not implying that because there are some subjects that the integrity as a whole is wrong, i'm saying as a whole its corrupted, but there are some subjects and and fields which do and can produce good results and factual evidence. This is actually the exact opposite.
OK, then how would you go about differentiating between those fields which in your estimation are credible and those which have been ipso facto discredited by virtue of jewish contamination? If you have some rational calculus for performing this discernment I would like to know what it is and how you arrived at its formulation.

Yunno actually I was raised around Christians, and went to Christian schools, yunno Christians right? The thing Hitler was? And how they were trying to unify the country under the Protestant Reich Church? You see fundamentalist Christian law is very interesting, it seems to align very well with National Socialism, and a lot of so called "Racist White Nationalist" ideology. As if you read the direct translations, and know what the terminology means, instead of what the modern day Christcucks have twisted it into, that even if hypothetically God isn't real, the philosophy of Christianity, if was written today, would probably be considered, Nazi Alt Right Propaganda.
You see when you're raised a Christian and interested in Christianity it's good to learn other religions and point of views to understand what other people believe, to see if what you believe is intellectually solid, to see what other religions have merit wise, etc. Now the core of what I studied was Abrahamic Religions, because in a sense they all have the same core, thus is in their name, Abrahamic Religions. I have studied Christianity, Islam, and Judaism extensively, and in my experience what I have found is you can actually dumb down the explanation of the 3 of these religions to a little footnote.
Islam: A Religion designed around war and conquest
Judaism: A Religion designed around deception, and subverting the enemy
Christianity: A Religion designed around being virtuous, and never lying
They all have a different purpose. Islam is a Hostile religion, Judaism is a Parasitic religion, Christianity is a Defensive Religion, but it should be abundantly clear which one holds the moral high ground, and the one that our Führer believed in so, and not its cucked modern version of it either.
I believe I have addressed the issue of Hitler’s religiosity and where the Reich had situated itself as it related to matters of official endorsement of Christianity and the expediency of an alliance with the Vatican.

Having said that, two brief observations. I too was raised Christian (Catholic) but I discovered relatively late in my years as a believer that the dogmatic preachments of the church were all inspired by a document whose internal veracity was highly questionable and which contained and synthesized into its cannon the lunatic idiocy of the old testament and all the rape, torture, genocide and judeo-power ideology which came as part of that package deal. Secondly, I agree with your conclusions regarding the irreducible elements of the three primary monotheisms, though I would add that each is a more vulgar and facile plagiarism of its predecessor and they are all therefore derivative from and fundamentally perverted by the original monotheism of Judaism. Ergo, my own status as a secular atheist who regards religion in a manner not too dissimilar from Freud’s perceptions of it outlined rather effectively in A Future of an Illusion.

Yeah i'm totally sure that if they just give in to being Good Goys and admit that the precious poor Jews were slaughtered in the millions of numbers then surely the movement would grow and prosper. Oh wait, that would suicide for the movement.
If you want to attract quality men of absolute conviction and unwavering devotion to the cause, then its best that you be fully transparent and inform them that we as national socialists concern ourselves only with the achievement of our penultimate ambitions. The ends always justify the means and any true nihilist who is sufficiently versed in history and geo-political affairs will understand that the most insidious of enemies requires the most effective weapon of annihilation.

What you're basically asking is "If the modern National Socialists and Alt Right believe in the teachings of the Führer and most of its underlying values, why don't they accept this mainstream lie created to defame them?" Hmm, I wonder why.
I don’t believe it is a lie and cannot see how the modern permutation of the party wants to dissociate itself from a methodology which is perfectly sensible if you grant that the jews are the greatest threat to the continued existence of civilization.
You mean the exact thing designed to tear it apart in the mainstream eyes by the allied powers and the Jews. Sorry, but no, not happening the plan wasn't to genocide them, it was to isolate them, and that's what the plan is now aswell.
Only those of our enemies who are too weak to acknowledge the efficacy of genocide will use this as a means by which to disparage our movement. I say let them, we are more committed to our objectives and the destruction of our enemies then they are to suppressing and defeating us.

And yet i'm not the one dismissing stormfront because it doesn't have a Jewish Academic Seal of Approval™.
That is a gross mischaracterization of my position and your alluding to the proverbial seal of approval has no relevance to the means by which I discern the veracity of a particular source.

Your cognitive dissonance would seem to suggest otherwise.
In your own misguided and misinformed opinion I suppose that is true.
Firstly nice leftist character assassination, just further proves you're not on our side and are set to defame us, secondly, is Genocide an effective means to victory? It can be, depends on the situation, but believe it or not there are much easier, and more convincing ways of getting things done, especially in 1939-1945 specifically.
Genocide is the most effective means of defeating ones enemies. You can try to breed them out, though that will only achieve partial success and will literally take generations to accomplish. You can employ the methods which were favored by the Serbs when dealing with the Bosniaks and Croatians, whereby you merely transplant and quarantine targeted populations but then those actions are subject to undoing by post-war forces which are beyond your control. You could relegate them to some god forsaken island or unwanted piece of land, but look just how effectively they’ve flourished and made the desert bloom in the land of the Palestinian Arabs. The Fuhrer knew just how resourceful, enterprising and resilient this people had become, made so through years of culturally enforced anti-Semitism and pogroms. So yes, in this particular context, genocide is not only advised, it is indispensable.

As an important aside, I will be traveling to northern Michigan tomorrow morning where I will literally be off the grid and will not be returning until late Friday night so if I don't respond to anything you may post here do not presume that I have either lost interest or concede defeat. It may take me until Saturday, but I will return.
 
the nazis were all unters its true
 
I wouldn't assert nor have I, that academia is impervious to the ideological and economics influences to which it is subjected, as they say (jew) money makes the world go around and one needs to acquire funds in order to facilitate the completion of research which confirms a hypothesis. The essential nature of academia is constructed so that the process of obtaining funds is not going to be entirely predicated on the political substance or implications of what you are attempting to adduce, but rather the insights gleaned from the pursuit of the intellectual endeavor and the extent to which it contributes measurably to the scholarly field in questionI am extremely perceptive to the pernicious influence of both money and politics especially as it relates to determining and influencing the outcome of research. I initially applied to doctoral programs in history under the auspices of conducting a comprehensive methodological approach of genocide and establishing the fundamental cultural, socio-economic and political perquisites to its coming into fruition. I had to abandon and entirely discard that initial prospectus because it didn't advance the narrative of holocaust studies in a central way which is what almost every graduate history program was looking to do at the time. So for you to think that I am incapable of apprehending the potential for contamination that exists is erroneous. I would add that if I had received a funding grant for my second prospectus which was more compatible with judeo-capaitalist historiography, it wouldn't have changed my fundamental approach to interpreting the past or my belief that national socialism is an anecdote to jewish global corruption.
But that's not what happens is it? Academia should be entirely based around the pursuit of knowledge and objective reality. To strive for the most concrete truths set in stone and hopefully advance our reality because of it, but to say that's what is in it's current state, and that the people who run and are in control of just about every if not all influential Academic institution has Marxist or Jewish influence (which are basically one in the same) actually aren't in power or somehow don't have major influence about what goes on is ridiculous, and I know you're not saying they don't have any power, but you seem to be implying that truth finds a way in Academia.

Well I believe Truth finds a way, just not in Academia, not in the enemies house, at least not often rather.

Well my essential point concerns more the form and function of contemporary academia and the degree to which it owes its lineage to the western school which had its formative and incipient foundation at Cambridge, Oxford, the state universities of Germany and, to a lesser extent the Sorbonne. The emphasis on collaboration and peer review derives from this historical evolution which initially was structured very similarly to the process of becoming a practicing attorney in that you would complete an apprenticeship and internship under the direction of a practicing member of the local bar and when that individual felt that your command of the law was sufficiently comprehensive to warrant independent practice, they would merely endorse your candidacy. This system can work assuming it hasn't been completely compromised by those who have a covert and nefarious agenda to promulgate, though I have not seen much evidence of that in my own personal experiences.
I wish that's how it worked, but in my experience and from other evidence i've seen, its not.

Some academic areas are essentially a feedback loop which serves to continuously validate extant intellectual precepts, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of a gifted and audacious student challenging the status quo and effectively repudiating what had been regarded as dogma for decades or even generations. Again, I adduce the example of Einstein in physics who was able to thoroughly undermine the theoretical integrity of Newtonian physics by virtue of a single, yet elegant calculation and its corresponding predictions regarding the relationships between the planets along their elliptical orbits.
I more so align with what Nikola Tesla thought on the theory of relativity and I could pick it apart quite a bit, as for Einstein specifically I could also get into more than just this specifically but if you want something that quickly sums up him to a degree, without getting into the work itself which has plenty of flaws here:

It has been a long time since I picked up a copy of the Fuhrer, though I have reacquaint myself with its precis more recently. I will concede that national socialism in its incipient form and within the historical context of Wiemar Germany relied heavily upon finding confirmation for its many conspiratorial assumptions. Yet this was a mere several years after the German general staff had been betrayed by jewish financiers and German national honor completely debased by the degrading terms of Versailles. The evidence for a world wide jewish conspiracy was much more conspicuous and incontrovertible in the early 1920's and it was for that precise reason why the ideological precepts of NS gained such traction so early in its evolutionary trajectory as a political movement. I can accept that there was a jewish conspiracy to degrade, humiliate and emasculate Germany in 1918 without accepting that there is some corollary conspiracy to render academia subservient to the commands of the jewish cabal in NYC or Jerusalem or Bilderberg or wherever it happens to convene.
It's a bit bigger than that, you should read it, it gets into quite a bit about himself and Germany, including his Christianity, which we'll get into a bit later in this post.

The fatal flaw in this theory of yours is that it assumes that those who were responsible for adminstering the census in the geographical areas where it would be necessary to obtain such data were profecient and expert in the discharging of their duties. I think that even the most cursory understanding of the cultural condition of the jew in Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc. in the pre-war years will invariably yield the conclusion that these "people" were even then regarded as nearly sub-human and not worthy of comprehending in official tabulations of the population. Again, look at the fact that the jews had been relegated in to Ghettos in Poland since at least the 15th century and were kept segregated and quarentined within their own "quarter" of that ancient city. The degree of demographic dissociation in the USSR was even more conspicuous, as the jews had literally been driven out in to the wilderness that constituted the so called "pale of civilization". Dostoievski talks extensively about this region in some of his novels and it is likewise the basis for the musical "Fiddler on the Roof". And before you preempt me no, I'm not using those works of fiction (important cultural contributions though they are) as primary sources to substantiate the existence of a territory that was jewish in culture, language and practice but just not in name.
Back to Occams Razor, what's more likely, The Census data at the peak of German Civilization was correct and relatively accurate about the Jewish populations, or somehow there was swathes of Jews that are unaccounted for in the census data and also rounded up to be executed. I don't know man.

OK, I own and have read innumerable books which validate my interpretation of the facts and evidence as they exist. I know this sounds like a concession or even a capitulation (perhaps it is the former in fact) but, I just don't have the time right now to dig through my materials and find every relevant page and/or citation that will have probative bearing on bringing some resolution to this ongoing debate. I may have time next week to imbricate myself in the relevant works and come back with something tangible. Right now my primary focus is maintaining some semblance of an argument that is predicated more on principle then one which hinges on the minutia of historical or anthropological data. Furthermore, yes, I do appeal to authority not out of any fidelity to some global jewish conspiracy or complicity with the kikes who I admit are nefarious and as invidious in their tactics as even the most ardent skinhead romper-stomper would have you believe, but because its ubiquity, intellectual pedigree and integrity strikes me as vitiating in favor of meriting its authenticity.
Right, okay, this doesn't do you any favors tho in an argument if you can't bring the specific sources ot evidence atm, also appealing to Authority is still appealing to authority no matter how you try and touch it up.

If I were to dismiss some primary source material that happened to originate with the Jewish virtual library, which itself is in the business of propagating what you regard to be the biggest lie of civilization, you would applaud and honor me for my judicious degree of discernment. However, you want me to accept information which by dint of it's affiliation and political connotation has the same inherent veracity and independent validity simply because it conforms to your own theoretical interpretations. Stormfront, just like the aforementioned jew library may be capable of mustering and adducing clear and intellectually transparent proofs, but it would stretch the credulity of anyone possessing even an average degree of intelligence to argue that such proofs are objective in their content and uncontaminated by confirmation or selection biases.
What I am saying is, take evidence and sources and such based on their merit as evidence alone not as where it came from. For example, let's say hypothetically that Satan was real, and overall he was a bad guy built around deception and such, but he provided factual and irrefutable evidence of how to build a machine that could break a seemingly inherent law of the universe, for example maybe Newton's third law, it's not a machine that's built around any means of breaking quantum mechanics or anything supernatural or mystical, it can just seemingly do the impossible, forever, with no illusions, in some form or another. This would go against the mainstream laws, it would seemingly come from an uncredible source, it has no Academic merit, etc.

See above. I do judge the evidence on the merits, as I have been trained to do so in the course of a very thoroughgoing legal education which emphasized rules of evidence and the falsifiable quality of a proof or theoretical assertion that is being made or introduced. Perhaps your real inexorable problem with me isn't an ideological one but rather a methodological one? I come from a legal background and therefore tend to interpret evidence in a more nuanced manner then someone who has formal training in the sciences, such as yourself. I do think the point of divergence between us can be reduced down to methodology and doesn't itself hinge upon substantive engagement with the underlying facts.
I don't believe you do, I believe your entire ideology is substituting, Empiricism for Authority, and status quo.

The Fuhrer and the NSDAP believed in a rather eccentric concoction of Germanic blood myths, pagan ceremonial practices and race theory all colored by a slightly disingenuous association with the Christian church. Hitler ratified the concordat with the Vatican before he instrumentalized even his treaties with the states which would later become military allies of Germany. The affiliation with the Church was one born out of purely pragmatic considerations and had absolutely nothing to do with the personal theological convictions of either Hitler or anyone in the inner circle. The party leadership understood that in order to acquire the Chancellorship, it had to align itself and make nice with the Catholic Center Party. Additionally, Hitler needed the moral endorsement of the church so as to lend greater credibility to his strategic and ideological propositions and he did this by conceding the right to control education to the Catholic institutions in exchange for their explicit support for his agenda. If you think that this very nuanced relationship evinces a genuine affection for Christianity then you're just not reading between the lines and interacting with history in a dialectical manner.
And here we get to the myths that Hitler was some Atheist Pagan only merely pretending to be Christian because of convenience and political purposes. Oh boy. Well where to start, well before I get deep into this, i'd highly suggest you read Mein Kampf, Hitler was a Christian, plain and simple, The State of Germany and National Socialism was the closest we got to a real Christian Nation, but let's get into the details. Firstly i'll take a quote from the man himself, Hitler, "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

There's tons of quotes from Hitler that go along similar lines, everything in Mein Kampf, and Hitlers quotes in relation to Religion seem to indicate he was a Christian fundamentalist and hated the fake mainstream Christians who threw around the Christian label without defending themselves against the Jews, and the enemy, is a major, considering the Jews of today, and of the time are the enemy, along with Satan, in the bible itself. While he was baptized a catholic, he seemed to be in line a lot more with protestants, not any specific church, but just a general form of Biblical literalism, and not much catholic influence.

Were there Pagan Influences in Germany? In the Party itself? Of course, Paganism is influential throughout European culture, was it a major part? No, evidence wouldn't seem to suggest so, before I go any further on this, which I absolute could, i'm extremely familar with Hitler specifically, if you could point out anything major, in serious contrarianism to the Christian views of Hitler or his plans for a Unified Protestant Reich Church, go for it, there were definitely some mystical theories and such about the origins of the white race, and such, which believe it or not aren't entirely contrary with Christianity, for example there was a theory I believe in the Reich that whites originated from the north pole, which according to a lot mythology, has some serious significance. In most ancient religions, the north pole would be the center of the world, Paganism, Buddhism, Christianity, lots of religions. In Nordic Religions it's where Yggdrasil would be, in Christianity theology, it's theorized its where the Garden of Eden might be located, in some eastern religions it also holds a lot of holy and mystical contexts aswell.

Other than this, and some other minor things and a few mock rituals of old traditions by a very small minority of SS soldiers, the overwhelming view of Germany and Hitler himself seems to be Christianity, but i'm open to evidence of the contrary of this aswell.

Again, and as before, if you want to refute 60 years of scholarship which accepts that the legal methods employed by the court at the IMT were essentially a facsimile of those which motivate the judicial process in civil, western society, then it is incumbent upon you to demonstrate why you have such incredulity and contempt for this long standing accepted interpretation.
We went over this so many times already, you're not countering my points here dude, there is no reason to trust the credibility of a court system and trial of a Government corrupted by Jews. Do you think Hitler thought the trials were fair? I'm sure he thought they were just another example of Jewish overreach, I hope when he died in Argentina he didn't lose hope or become lost in negativity if he had access to information of what the world had become and thought of him and the German people.

I make the point I did earlier and I am being absolutely honest about this despite how I anticipate you'll perceive it, I don't have the time this week to go back and immerse myself in the literature. I will be off this website and offline generally starting tomorrow and probably returning late Friday night. I am at present attempting to appeal a decision by my employer to terminate me on account of having sent an innocuous email to a female employee (which, incidentally is what brought me here to begin with). I take professional and personal pride in everything that I say here because I believe that this dialogue rises to a level of intellectual sophistication that demands authenticity and factual corroboration. If you give me a week or so, I can martial my resources on these several points.
Go for it, but if you take a week to sort through your resources try and find some direct evidence and not stuff full of broad overdrawn papers, anecdotes, etc. Try and post things that are relatively concise, empirical, things that are relatively straight to the point, you don't have to I suppose, i'm not your professor or anything, it's just it would make the argument go a lot faster for both sides, well relatively.

Yes but you must apprehend the paradox that lurks within the statement you just made. Your perceptions of certain sources of information have been colored by reputational considerations that may or may not directly impeach the veracity of the substantive evidence which these sources possess or promulgate. Yet, despite your eagerness to arbitrate credibility on the basis of the degree that you subjectively perceive a source to be valid or accurate, you dismiss mainstream academia as being corrupted and invalidated by jewish or Marxist influence. On what basis may I ask it is that you arbitrate the credibility of a source? Is it not the extent to which that source has at its disposal the resources necessary to confirm and authenticate factual content? Might this calculus at least contemplate the degree to which a source has some underlying ideological, cultural, political or economic agenda? I think all of these elements must be contemplated and, when they have been so contemplated, the conclusion is that mainstream academia is the least likely to fall victim to some holistic form of contamination.
When it comes to certain Institutions, Media, Government, Academic, or otherwise, there are ways you can track who's in control, what their motives are, thus you are able to in a sense measure "Credibility" which in a sense just means the likelihood that said Institution, Organization, Personality, etc has the propensity to be accurate and tell the truth, now just because something Academia, certain media outlets, and personalities have a low measure of credibility, does not mean they are incapable of producing work evidence that IS credible, it's just unlikely.

The way I personally arbitrate the credibility of a source is by examining their sources and claims myself, see if it adds up, i'm an Empiricist in it's extremist form, you're probably a rationalist. They're very different ways of thinking, Rationalism funnily enough isn't all that Rational.
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An example of an Empiricist Extremist would be Nikola Tesla.

I’m not asserting that the men who occupied the docket at Nuremberg were superhuman and impervious to the techniques that may have been available to thei interrogators at the time, I am stating that there is no evidence which clearly establishes that extra-judicial methods were applied during the proceedings. I fully acknowledge the effectiveness and utility of torture – if the CIA was able to break the resolve of Khalid Sheik Mohammed with the application of a mere five minutes of water boarding, I dare say that any one could be rendered susceptible to such methods. The facts however are these; the presuppositions of that video which you initially posted on the subject correctly maintained that the average American criminal offender could be influenced by suggestion and mere innuendo, let alone the use of torture. The conclusions of the interviewee were thus predicated on the assumption that the subject was a person of vastly below average intelligence, poor resolve and little self control. Contrast these qualities with the disciplined, stoical, intellectually superior and unwavering men of the Reich’s highest leadership echelon and it brings my point into very sharp contrast.
There is no reason to believe they weren't subjected to nefarious manipulation is the point i'm making, I still have no idea why you keep defending the enemy, there is absolutely no reason to trust the word of the enemy and anything that comes out of their trials, in contrast to all pre war evidence.

Eisenhower was a man of principle and had a proven record as an accomplished strategist and war leader,
Lmao, self proclaimed "National Socialist" here folks. He was a despicable human being and resulted in the death and harm of millions of German POWs, and others. https://rense.com//general46/germ.htm funny how there seems to evidence of Holocausts committed by America and Russia but I still haven't seen anything credible to suggest Germany did one. Really makes me think that's for sure.

Truman, while a bit of an ignoramus, was an extremely humble and gracious man who thoroughly repudiated the majesty and grandeur of the office of President,
"The Jews I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as Displaced Persons as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler or Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog". Diary of US President Harry S.Truman - entry for July 21, 1947."

Some people take this quote of his and try paint him out to be this Jew hating woke redpilled president, yet the man was a freemason, which had been under the Rothchilds and other Jews control for quite a few decades at this point. So just because the man acted nice, and called out the Jews in private a few times doesn't mean much, he was involved in quite a few pro Jewish Conspiracies that didn't help much.

Reagan was a visionary and an adroit politician who was able to anticipate and counteract the machinations of the various General Secretaries who controlled the USSR in the twilight years of communism and George H W Bush was a statesman and war hero whose long record of government service and honorable personal comportment made him worthy of the dignity of president.


Reagan was a puppet, and by the time he was president we were fully infiltrated by the Jew. I could get into serious specifics about that aswell other than these videos, but that's a bit off topic, as we should be focusing around Hitler, and the time when National Socialist Germany was around.

It will take time for me to produce what I believe will constitute irrefutable proofs that will illuminate our discourse on this particular element of interpretation. I agree with your observations concerning the first link and would say that its credibility is therefore not beyond reproach. As for the second link, I somehow copied the wrong url, so the correct address is as follows:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...z-camp-found-in-germany-idUSTRE4A71SC20081109
I don't think I need to get into why a single newspaper in 2008 with blueprints on it is questionable do I?

Not really and it depends on what you mean by your understanding of the term conspiratorial. I use that word to imply that evidence of some type of conclusion is suspect because it lacks external validation or lends itself too heavily to confirmation bias. If you look at the (admittedly circumstantial) evidence for a jewish global conspiracy and its relationship to the betrayal of Germany in the closing months of WW1, you will see that there is a fairly clear link between international jewish capital, high level government ministers who were strategically positioned to unilaterally negotiate terms with the Allies and a strong underlying incentive to emasculate Germany militarily so as to remove the potential for future transgressions against the maintenance of the status quo which itself enriched and empowered the jews. So Hitler’s assertions regarding jewish influence were made on the basis of a rather elegant factual triangulation which I dare say surpasses the type of conjectures that you have such an affinity for.
These same Jewish influences in WW1 had their hands dipped into almost every major man made war and event since the the French Revolution tho, this is the whole thing about this 229 year old Jewish conspiracy. It starts with the Rothchilds and and international bankers during the french revolution, you should really read Mein Kampf, the German Central bank was privately controlled by the Rothchilds, and the Rothchilds past and roots run deep, French Revolution, Both Sides of the American Civil War, WW1, WW2, name a major war or conflict within the last 229 years you can bet the Rothchilds or other Jewish cohorts that have risen because of them have been involved.

OK then I would say that we must agree to disagree on this point as it really is an entirely subjective one. I would add however though that certain academic disciplines may lend themselves more heavily to a Marxist interpretation of data or the influence of the adherents of Marx whereas others would by virtue of their very nature, be impervious to this sort of thing (e.g. astronomy and pure mathematics).
You'd be surprised how badly Astronomy is infiltrated, and how mathematics can be used as a shield to hinder research in certain fields, as Nikola Tesla said, and my personal favorite quote of his, "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."

I align myself with the institutions which are most well placed to uncover the objective truths concerning the reality of the world in which we live. This isn’t about submitting to the omnipotent power of global Judaism, it is about pursuing the path which is most likely to result in the illumination of ignorance and the understanding of principles which were previously inaccessible to us. Again, it may not be ideal but it is the best we have, so be a realist here instead of a self-deluded idealist.
I've yet to see any evidence it is the best path we have, after I was done studying the more psychological elements in my field I began doing some research into a hypothesis I had that in the modern age, especially among whites, there is an abundance of people who have the cognitive and biological ability to do great things in certain scientific fields or positions of power who either just weren't interested in doing so, or were being restricted in some way and unable to make any progress in their life, and the opposite, people who are in certain fields who shouldn't be.

What I found was a relative abundance of young white males of primarily 70-99% european descent with above average intelligence who's potential was being wasted, in the past, even in Germany, they would go out and scout, and do tests for Eugenics, and compatibility, etc, it wasn't a perfect system of course but it was much more better than we have now.

In a somewhat Anecdotal bit of evidence, i'm in an "Alt Right" discord server and it's encouraged to pay for DNA tests to find out your genetic heritage, aswell as IQ tests, not necessarily for bragging rights or anything like that, but to find out what you are the most genetically compatible for partner wise, job wise, etc. I find it funny aswell, that most people who have taken an IQ test in the server have an IQ over 110, which is high end of the the average, there are exceptions of course, quite a bit of people in the 130s, a most are in the 110s - 120s, and only 2 or 3 people in the 140s and 1 in the 150s (me) and 1 in the 160s (He's a very odd guy, but has so much potential). One last thing, IQ isn't the most important factor, there are other biological elements at play that can really determine how you act beyond IQ, it's why high IQ women can still make horrible whorish decisions, generally because of their estrogen and other chemical factors. Biology is extremely interesting to me, but I suppose i'll stop before I get too off topic.

On a little somewhat off topic tangent, there are a few concepts and systems when it comes to old national socialism that have been updated based on evidence for modern national socialism, for example it's more white centric instead of Aryan/German centric, this is based on Genetic Data on Europeans and a myriad of other factors, which basically shows there's a specific set of genetic clusters that basically are so genetically similar and connected that it becomes relatively unimportant to delve into even deeper seperations that can't just be done via Eugenics and other genetic testing to find compatibility issues and such. A few other things aswell but yeah.

My point in a nutshell being I do believe there are better, old school methods that Germany, or a new National Socialist Government could use, or hell even old America have used to a degree to have much more qualified and objective ways of measuring and studying things in dedicated fields.

Yes Madagascar was at one point considered as an option though, for obvious logistical and practical reasons it was discarded as not being sufficiently viable.
The main reason it was discarded, was because of the war progressing and fights getting more serious, where much of the budget had to spent on war production, research, and development. There simply was no time to deport every single Jew they captured, so the plan was to keep them locked up until they won the war, then they could deport them, however, sadly, and tragically that didn't happen and many Germans and Jews died because of the Allies.

In late 1941, the various representatives from the Army, party, state and foreign office convened at Wansee to coordinate the necessary resources to facilitate a complete annihilation of the jews. This was precipitated by the entry of the JSA into the war and the Fuhrer’s correct calculation that with the industrial resources of a country which was able to put about 50,000 men into the field every month in 1917, it would only be a matter of time before the protectors of the jews interceded militarily and rescued them from their just fate.
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In my experience they are able to coexist with those who are more inclined to recapitulate dogmatic arguments for the sake of ingratiating themselves to the system, though again, this is all predicated on subjective considerations.
There are definitely some people who conform to survive, I wouldn't consider this a rational approach, as it's not predicated on truth.

I’m not dismissing in totality the possibility for some genuinely accurate and well accredited facts to have derived from these types of sources I’m merely asserting that it is in the highest degree implausible that those who have a conspicuous ideological agenda to advance would promulgate information which was in no way modulated by their political objectives.
Perhaps, but it is also possible that said ideological agenda has merit and weight behind it, or at the very least it does in the specific point they are arguing at the moment, which is why you have to take things by a Case by Case basis.

OK, then how would you go about differentiating between those fields which in your estimation are credible and those which have been ipso facto discredited by virtue of jewish contamination? If you have some rational calculus for performing this discernment I would like to know what it is and how you arrived at its formulation.
It's just simple Empiricism, you have to research it yourself with your own eyes, examine the data, is it hard data, is there at least enough data and evidence to provide cause of a reasonable doubt. Research can be a game of statistical probabilities, and what I find is, that if something has the highest statistical probability of being correct based on all the surrounding Empirical evidence, it's often true.

I believe I have addressed the issue of Hitler’s religiosity and where the Reich had situated itself as it related to matters of official endorsement of Christianity and the expediency of an alliance with the Vatican.
In a very Wikipedia Esque regurgitation, as an attempt to discredit Hitlers and Germany's view on Christianity probably because of your own Religious beliefs, or lack thereof I suppose.

Having said that, two brief observations. I too was raised Christian (Catholic)
That's unfortunate depending on circumstances, I was raised Lutheran, however I do not associate with that distortion of Martin Luthers work or the twisted modern version that modern church has become. I had a lot of bad experiences with people in the church myself. A lot of questionable explanations about several things, that eventually did lead me down the dark road of Atheism, and Nihilism, and certain fields and dangerous philosophies and ideologies, but one day I met someone who was a Christian, he didn't associate with any church, he was just that, a Christian, plain and simple, he was basically a father figure in a sense, he was very objective, very scientific, and got me into a lot of subjects and encouraged me to research things on my own and never take anyones word at face value, and it was because of this I spent years studying everything I could about science, evolution, religion, philosophy, biology, and eventually politics. To hear the word of every point of view, listen to the communists, listen to the libertarians, listen to satanists, listen to the muslims, listen to everyone, take every claim, every point of view and compare and contrast with facts and evidence.

This long path eventually did lead me to grow out of Atheism and Nihilism into a form of Christianity, but one much different than i'm sure you're familiar with. Modern Christian Institutions and their arguments and rules do more to harm Christianity than help it, so I completely understand why people try and seek solace away from it, I mean I did. I never argue like these Christians you see, "it's in the bible so its true" and other bullshit arguments that don't help to non Christians, these dogmatic, preachy cunts are so harmful to the religion, even tho they usually don't know much about its true core values. You see in my view, the best way to lead people to Christianity isn't to hand them a Bible, it's to teach them about the Empirical truths of the world around you, whether it be a political ideology like National Socialism, or something else entirely. The real truth, the truth of science, data, statistics, empirical evidence, in my opinion when you head on the path of Empiricism, you don't have to find Christianity, it'll find you itself. That's about as preachy as i'll get ever get about it.

The only time I argue Christianity itself, is in relation to contexts of the verses themselves, the bible is probably one of the most misquoted, misinterpreted, and twisted for political agendas more so than any book throughout history, and I suppose i'll have to be getting into a bit of that in the next quote.

but I discovered relatively late in my years as a believer that the dogmatic preachments of the church were all inspired by a document whose internal veracity was highly questionable and which contained and synthesized into its cannon the lunatic idiocy of the old testament and all the rape, torture, genocide and judeo-power ideology which came as part of that package deal.
Okay, well firstly, Catholics are a prime example of some of the biggest twisters, when it comes to the bible itself. They have so many made up rules, and bullshit that is entirely made up by men long after the bible was written. Did Catholics make some positive impacts on the world? Sure, but it's always been about twisting the bible for personal, political, and powerful gain. I view Catholicism as the Christian form of Judaism.
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As for the the specifics, the so called "rape, torture, genocide" well most of that is either highly exaggerated, was considered a sin/morally wrong, or was actually justified. Now the main problem comes along when it comes to the laws of The Old Testament, well according to Christian law, every Old Testament law was abolished except of course for the 10 Commandments, and should now be considered, philosophy, and history not Christian law. Christian law is literally just the 10 Commandments, and the general philosophies of Jesus Christ.

Now I will address the point you made somewhat attacking "judeo-power" this is a false equivalency based jab i'm assuming based on the Jews of Today because the same as the Jews of the past, we went over this a little bit in my previous post but I can get into again, but i'll do that in the next quote since you somewhat address it more solidly.

Secondly, I agree with your conclusions regarding the irreducible elements of the three primary monotheisms, though I would add that each is a more vulgar and facile plagiarism of its predecessor and they are all therefore derivative from and fundamentally perverted by the original monotheism of Judaism.
You see this is where you go wrong. The Old Testament is not Judaism, is it part of the canon lore of Judaism? Yes, it's part of the canon lore of Islam aswell, but so is the bible, and the Talmud has canon elements in relation to Christianity aswell, the difference is the laws of the Talmud and the core beliefs and history, you see the Talmud was actually completed in its written form in the 4th century around the year 500, but just because this is it's written form they've had similar laws and rules just spoken verbally to eachother, since about the century if not a little later before Jesus was born. This is not old Testament law, it's actually very clever they spread their deceptive and nefarious laws vocally for hundreds of years, probably so that the Goyim would never read their laws and see what they say about them, but I assume that they were probably afraid that over time the laws might get twisted so writing them down and compiling them in the Talmud would be efficient, but that also allowed the Goyim to read the book and what they say about us and believe about us.

In the more recent years they've made "Goyim Friendly Translations" of the Talmud that hide or just straight up lie or change verses to more Goyim friendly versions, they'll even go as far as to lie and say these are the true translations of the Talmud, and like to pretend and lie and say that the direct quotes you find in the Talmud about how goyim are dogs and its okay to lie and rape goyim girls, etc etc aren't the true translation and we should read the Goyim Certified Version. Kinda similar to their interpretation of the Holocaust that you abide by now that I think about it.

Anyways onto the core breakdown of the subject matter tho, I will state it again clearly. Ashkenazi Jews are NOT The Jews of the old testament, in fact just about every single modern day Jew has nothing to do with the Jews of the Old Testament, other than the fact the Old Testament is canon in their religion. The Judeans of prominence were not of ANY of the Tribes of Judah, they were Edomites, they were a mix of Canaanites, Edomites, Babylonians, etc, they came from the south, this is opposed to Jesus who was a Galilean and Resident of Galilee, and he came from the north, and Galileans can even be tracked to the some European tribes believe it or not, but that's a bit more of a controversial subject that probably shouldn't get into here.

Basically in a nutshell, no Christianity, and The Old Testament have nothing to do with Judaism, Judaism came after, the modern Jews of Today just adopted and Stole the name of the Jews of old for their own mischievous purposes, it's probably more likely that Europeans themselves, even Germans, have more in common Genetically with the tribes of Judah, than the Ashkenazi Jews of Today.

If you want to attract quality men of absolute conviction and unwavering devotion to the cause, then its best that you be fully transparent and inform them that we as national socialists concern ourselves only with the achievement of our penultimate ambitions. The ends always justify the means and any true nihilist who is sufficiently versed in history and geo-political affairs will understand that the most insidious of enemies requires the most effective weapon of annihilation.
Nihilists...Convictions...JFL that's an Oxymoron if i've ever seen one. Everything you just said is contrary to True National Socialism. Nihilism is Jewry. National Socialism is based on the precept that things matter, a lot in fact.

I don’t believe it is a lie and cannot see how the modern permutation of the party wants to dissociate itself from a methodology which is perfectly sensible if you grant that the jews are the greatest threat to the continued existence of civilization.
You can believe whatever you want, it doesn't make it true, The Holocaust just didn't happen, it's not based around National Socialist Morality, it was never ordered, Jews were treated pretty well in the camps aswell before the war ramped up, lethal force was only going to be an option for those who 100% resisted and refused to leave, they were going be kicked out by force, and if they fought back, they would get shot. It's as simple as that really, same way deportation works in America, if you fight back you get killed, you're not supposed to be here so, yeah.

Only those of our enemies who are too weak to acknowledge the efficacy of genocide will use this as a means by which to disparage our movement. I say let them, we are more committed to our objectives and the destruction of our enemies then they are to suppressing and defeating us.
No those who want to twist the morality and views of National Socialism to be something it's not, which you have been doing many times, into this, amoral, twisted, Nihilistic, mess which has no basis is who use the Holocaust as a political weapon to shame National Socialists, and whites themselves.

Genocide is the most effective means of defeating ones enemies. You can try to breed them out, though that will only achieve partial success and will literally take generations to accomplish. You can employ the methods which were favored by the Serbs when dealing with the Bosniaks and Croatians, whereby you merely transplant and quarantine targeted populations but then those actions are subject to undoing by post-war forces which are beyond your control. You could relegate them to some god forsaken island or unwanted piece of land, but look just how effectively they’ve flourished and made the desert bloom in the land of the Palestinian Arabs. The Fuhrer knew just how resourceful, enterprising and resilient this people had become, made so through years of culturally enforced anti-Semitism and pogroms. So yes, in this particular context, genocide is not only advised, it is indispensable.
It really isn't, i'm not saying breed them out either, mass deportations are actually much easier than genocide, and cause a lot less backlash from not only the people you're targeting but outside forces aswell, and internal ones of course too. Is lethal force necessary? Are there cases where Genocide might be required? Absolutely, this isn't one of them, except for those who resist, as I said just as in any civilized country, if you resist deportation and fight you will suffer the consequences, which tend to be lethal.[/QUOTE]
 

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