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Let's run a thought experiment from start to finish.
After a lifetime of shit, hating your life, wishing you were dead, and feeling like a failure due to some combination of physical or mental ugliness or disability, you've realized that reproducing is not likely the best thing you can do. All you will accomplish is create a horrible failure of a child that will likely suffer with the same problems you've had. You will spend the rest of your life with a front seat to their misery and pain, knowing that you created it.
But you are lonely and you want companionship and affection. So you try to follow the best case scenario: You looksmax. You get surgery. You do steroids. You practice social skills. You accrue wealth. Maybe you rise a few points in SMV. Maybe even it's enough for some women to find you sufficiently attractive to date.
Then what?
99%+ of women want kids. Almost all of them are looking for a relationship that will lead to building a family. A woman who doesn't reproduce will inherently hate herself and feel like a failure, even if she claims otherwise.
So you now have only a few choices:
1) You lie to women and tell them you are looking for kids, string them along for a few years wasting time on their biological clocks until eventually they get fed up with you and leave.
2) You tell them the truth and they leave.
3) You realize neither of the above two are very good options, so you MGTOW or get hookers or other paid options like sugar babies.
Option #1 is the option most men who don't want kids go. It's a valid option, I suppose, but you really need to be a sociopath to do that, don't you? I mean, imagine going out with a girl over and over, talking to her for hours until she knows you and you know her personally. Imagine feeling a connection to her, and then LYING to her constantly and manipulating her towards ruining her life running out her clock for your selfish gain. People claim that incels all "hate women", but even as a KV wizard, I don't really hate women. I have at times when I've been frustrated and fed up, but far more so I actually hate myself. If some woman were to come along and treat me well, I wouldn't want to lie to her and destroy her life in return.
I've been thinking about all of this a lot and talking to people about it because I'm at the age where many guys are married or planning kids. I'm still doing looksmaxing as we speak. Working on my diet, steroids, planning more surgeries. But I'm realizing that it's not going to actually matter much in the end anyway.
The only time people have carefree dating with no thoughts of consequences or long term planning is in their teens and that window is long gone for most of us. After that, only SuperChads can be attractive enough for sex without any emotional connection or money involved. I can't ever hope to achieve that. So no matter what, my only pathways will be to stay incel or go MGTOW, even after the best possible outcome with looksmaxing.
Realizing you are poor material for reproduction is a real kick in the gut. First you have to get over the fact that it means you won't have kids. Then even once you've done that, you still have to get over the fact that this inherently means you will never be good "relationship material" either.
Bottom line: given that 99%+ of women want kids, if you're an anti-natalist, and you have some degree of ethics or empathy, remaining incel or becoming MGTOW are the only outcomes you can ever achieve.
tl;dr: Anti-natalism + basic ethics/morality = incel or MGTOW and nothing else.
After a lifetime of shit, hating your life, wishing you were dead, and feeling like a failure due to some combination of physical or mental ugliness or disability, you've realized that reproducing is not likely the best thing you can do. All you will accomplish is create a horrible failure of a child that will likely suffer with the same problems you've had. You will spend the rest of your life with a front seat to their misery and pain, knowing that you created it.
But you are lonely and you want companionship and affection. So you try to follow the best case scenario: You looksmax. You get surgery. You do steroids. You practice social skills. You accrue wealth. Maybe you rise a few points in SMV. Maybe even it's enough for some women to find you sufficiently attractive to date.
Then what?
99%+ of women want kids. Almost all of them are looking for a relationship that will lead to building a family. A woman who doesn't reproduce will inherently hate herself and feel like a failure, even if she claims otherwise.
So you now have only a few choices:
1) You lie to women and tell them you are looking for kids, string them along for a few years wasting time on their biological clocks until eventually they get fed up with you and leave.
2) You tell them the truth and they leave.
3) You realize neither of the above two are very good options, so you MGTOW or get hookers or other paid options like sugar babies.
Option #1 is the option most men who don't want kids go. It's a valid option, I suppose, but you really need to be a sociopath to do that, don't you? I mean, imagine going out with a girl over and over, talking to her for hours until she knows you and you know her personally. Imagine feeling a connection to her, and then LYING to her constantly and manipulating her towards ruining her life running out her clock for your selfish gain. People claim that incels all "hate women", but even as a KV wizard, I don't really hate women. I have at times when I've been frustrated and fed up, but far more so I actually hate myself. If some woman were to come along and treat me well, I wouldn't want to lie to her and destroy her life in return.
I've been thinking about all of this a lot and talking to people about it because I'm at the age where many guys are married or planning kids. I'm still doing looksmaxing as we speak. Working on my diet, steroids, planning more surgeries. But I'm realizing that it's not going to actually matter much in the end anyway.
The only time people have carefree dating with no thoughts of consequences or long term planning is in their teens and that window is long gone for most of us. After that, only SuperChads can be attractive enough for sex without any emotional connection or money involved. I can't ever hope to achieve that. So no matter what, my only pathways will be to stay incel or go MGTOW, even after the best possible outcome with looksmaxing.
Realizing you are poor material for reproduction is a real kick in the gut. First you have to get over the fact that it means you won't have kids. Then even once you've done that, you still have to get over the fact that this inherently means you will never be good "relationship material" either.
Bottom line: given that 99%+ of women want kids, if you're an anti-natalist, and you have some degree of ethics or empathy, remaining incel or becoming MGTOW are the only outcomes you can ever achieve.
tl;dr: Anti-natalism + basic ethics/morality = incel or MGTOW and nothing else.
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